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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Baggers on
How did Cuningham do in the Magoos?

The Cameo King has a lot of criticism over his teasing career but I watched a feature on him on the CFC website and he had 11 tackles last week and there has been a considerable emphasis on lifting his defensive game, which just might do the trick. Here's hoping. Might be the kind of bloke who if given a run with role might be forced to concentrate for 120 minutes... which could save his career.

Missed after getting concussed late last game.

He laid 11 tackles (more than half of our AFL team combined against Freo) and kicked two goals and would have been in contention. 

Luke Power's comments about working on his starting points are interesting:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/899608/carlton-coaches-corner-david-cuningham?videoId=899608&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1617780546001
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
 

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #76 –
Quote from: DJC on
Missed after getting concussed late last game.

He laid 11 tackles (more than half of our AFL team combined against Freo) and kicked two goals and would have been in contention. 

Luke Power's comments about working on his starting points are interesting:

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/899608/carlton-coaches-corner-david-cuningham?videoId=899608&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1617780546001

Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?

Says a lot. Not much good....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #77 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?

Says a lot. Not much good....
More about the value of having a Luke Power type coaching kids, that is a Mid coaching Mids, the guy knows how to get involved in games without being overly blessed with size and speed.

No offence to him, but our current midfield coach is Barker, we'd be better off having Barker fix Cripps marking! :o
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Lods on
Actually, not many.
Most were pointing out things they'd like to see him try or suggesting that he could do with a win.
A far cry from calling for his sacking.

I wasn't talking about you when i made that post.

A couple have put their hand up though

and of course Lord Lucifer actually posted alternatives in the sack Teague thread today FFS.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #79 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I wasn't talking about you when i made that post.

A couple have put their hand up though

and of course Lord Lucifer actually posted alternatives in the sack Teague thread today FFS.


Whilst I put my hand up, I think that my posts didn't call for him to be sacked, they involved:
-  stating that if we don't make the 8, the club would sack him at years end.
- if we where 0-5 or 0-6, they would sack him sooner
I also stated that I don't like the bloke much, doesn't mean I want hime sacked. He could win us he next 10 on the trot, my opinion of him won't have changed.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #80 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Whilst I put my hand up, I think that my posts didn't call for him to be sacked, they involved:
-  stating that we don't make the 8, he is gone at years end.
- if we where 0-5 or 0-6, they would sack him sooner
Agree, finals are the expectation, if that doesnt happen then his position will be on the line, thats just the normal course of events
for any coach/club that are hyped up as contenders for the finals.

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Reply #81 –
Quote from: LP on
More about the value of having a Luke Power type coaching kids, that is a Mid coaching Mids, the guy knows how to get involved in games without being overly blessed with size and speed.

No offence to him, but our current midfield coach is Barker, we'd be better off having Barker fix Cripps marking! :o

Yes LP, Luke Power should leave a lasting impression on our younger mids and the club's fortunes over the next several years.

I'm not sure why line coaches aren't assigned to the lines where they played  :-\

Is it that they are just implementing the head coach's agenda and aren't meant to be addressing individual player's areas of improvement?
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #82 –
Quote from: kruddler on
How many people were sharpening knives and drawing a target on Teagues back just 2 weeks ago.

The target is still there but the knives have been sheathed ... for now  ;)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #83 –
Quote from: DJC on
The target is still there but the knives have been sheathed ... for now  ;)

He's a CFC coach, the target's always there.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: flyboy77 on
Five years in our system and they're just working that one out now?

Says a lot. Not much good....

It is embarrassing, very embarrassing that our coaching group didn't work this out earlier... or try something earlier. But, better late than never and if a talent can be channelled into productive output for the club - ripper.

Helluva indictment on Barker, but then none of us is surprised.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #85 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I wasn't talking about you when i made that post.

A couple have put their hand up though

and of course Lord Lucifer actually posted alternatives in the sack Teague thread today FFS.

No, I didn't take it personally.
I just didn't notice a lot of folk actually saying they wanted Teague gone...it was more about the fact that 0-2 was a shaky start and there were changes in personnel and tactics they would like to see.
Continued losses would only increase the pressure.
Our last two performances have eased that pressure a little....but we probably need that big scalp for folks to feel a little more positive.
Big game this week.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Baggers on
It is embarrassing, very embarrassing that our coaching group didn't work this out earlier... or try something earlier. But, better late than never and if a talent can be channelled into productive output for the club - ripper.

Helluva indictment on Barker, but then none of us is surprised.

Barker is not a development coach and has only been midfield coach for a couple of seasons - and Cuningham is in the forwards group.

If Barker is to wear the blame for poor development, Bolts and Teague have to share it - particularly Teague who was Cuningham’s line coach for a couple of seasons.

The bottom line is that our player development has been lacking for far too long.  Criticism of our player drafting should be tempered in that light.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #87 –
Quote from: DJC on
Barker is not a development coach and has only been midfield coach for a couple of seasons - and Cuningham is in the forwards group.

If Barker is to wear the blame for poor development, Bolts and Teague have to share it - particularly Teague who was Cuningham’s line coach for a couple of seasons.

The bottom line is that our player development has been lacking for far too long.  Criticism of our player drafting should be tempered in that light.

I suspect you're right but I see this as an overall 'safety' or 'conservative' approach of the club in so many areas. You can see it reflected in selection... always conservative and too often out of form blokes still get a gig. I understand that injuries sometimes hamstring selection.

And it probably is an indictment on a number of people that the newbie into the group identified the Cameo King's dreadful inconsistencies, poor defensive mindset yet sublime skills and hence created a new approach with the kid which seems to be reaping benefits... well, so far! I single out Barker as he's been with the club in the coaching dept the longest and is the most senior next to the actual senior coach.

But, ultimately, like Jones, a complete change of mindset toward a bloke MAY be the saving of that bloke.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #88 –
Quote from: DJC on
Barker is not a development coach and has only been midfield coach for a couple of seasons - and Cuningham is in the forwards group.

If Barker is to wear the blame for poor development, Bolts and Teague have to share it - particularly Teague who was Cuningham’s line coach for a couple of seasons.

The bottom line is that our player development has been lacking for far too long.  Criticism of our player drafting should be tempered in that light.
Cam Bruce is the fwd line coach, there is the problem.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2021 Rd 4: Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #89 –
Not all stars make great coaches, but the ones that seem to coach well have a way of being really great coaches.

Leigh matthews and Ron Barrassi as examples. 

That being said average joes who make the most of their careers also seem to make good coaches.

There might be something that is common across the successful ones worth analysing.  My bet is its a mindset thing.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson