Crash,
I tried to follow your format. Please correct it if you need to.
Sunday April 24, Domain Stadium - 2.10PM AWST
Dockers found some real form today against very good opposition, kicking over 100 points, which could easily have been more.
Dockers by 7 goals.
Freo v Carlton. The biggest loser - AFL style.
Can we get our selection right.
PICK JAKSCH!!! for the love of god.
Out: Kreuzer
In: Jones
Dockers are not real flash and if it was over here and they had won at least one game we might make it uncomfortable for them but they will be very desperate on their hometrack for their 1st win..bogeyman Sandilands wont be playing which will help but you would think the Dockers by 3-5 goals.
Like to see Jones and Jaksch in.......Kruezer out but I know that wont happen and it will probably be Philips or Casboult..
Not a fan of Tutt yet so I dont want to see him in.....but I reckon we will be after some run in the warmer conditions and he might get a game ..would prefer
the more sweet kicking Viojo Rainbow to debut.....Suckling really stood out for the Dogs with his kicking and be nice if we had a weapon by foot who could deliver in a similar fashion...
Dunno about Tutt. He is a very poor decision-maker. It will interning to see how young Weitering goes against old Pavelich.
This could be football's first 0-0 draw.
OUT: Kreuzer, Murphy (head)
IN: Jones, DVR
On thin ice: Graham, Buckley, Rowe
OUT: Kreuzer, Murphy (head)
IN: Jones, DVR
On thin ice: Graham, Buckley, Rowe
OUT: Kreuzer, Murphy (head)
IN: Jones, DVR
On thin ice: Graham, Buckley, Gibbs (very thin for the pony tail bandit).
We have nobody to stop Fyfe, Neale and Hill, and nobody to significantly trouble the Freo defence.
So I suspect Freo will win comfortably, and I am not sure list changes will make much difference.
One positive, our players can keep up with Fyfe if they are well organised, even if they cannot stop him. But I worry we will play Barlow and Ballantyne into form.
On the other hand their back up rucks are as bad as ours, their defence is setting up terribly and their forwards are not playing well. No Mundy to bully us into submission as well. And they are slow, painfully slow.
Rowe can match up Pav and Doc and Plow can take Ballantyne and his mate.
I give us a fighting chance if we're fair dinkum and (unlikely as it seems) with get a fair run with officialdom.
On the other hand their back up rucks are as bad as ours, their defence is setting up terribly and their forwards are not playing well. No Mundy to bully us into submission as well. And they are slow, painfully slow.
Rowe can match up Pav and Doc and Plow can take Ballantyne and his mate.
I give us a fighting chance if we're fair dinkum and (unlikely as it seems) with get a fair run with officialdom.
They report he's a chance, but I doubt it if his calf is anything more than a bruise.
Crash,
I tried to follow your format. Please correct it if you need to.
Sunday April 24, Domain Stadium - 2.10PM AWST
Dockers found some real form today against very good opposition, kicking over 100 points, which could easily have been more.
Dockers by 7 goals.
No problems with the format, mate.
I wish I could argue with your conclusion, but they are playing at home and we can't kick enough goals.
I liked our play after half time against the Dogs, but we really found it hard to kick a goal then. We simply shouldn't have lost by as much as we did. The positive is that Freo don't score like the Dogs, which gives us a chance. But their effort was a big improvement and they are a more mature team. :(
No problems with the format, mate.
I wish I could argue with your conclusion, but they are playing at home and we can't kick enough goals.
I liked our play after half time against the Dogs, but we really found it hard to kick a goal then. We simply shouldn't have lost by as much as we did. The positive is that Freo don't score like the Dogs, which gives us a chance. But their effort was a big improvement and they are a more mature team. :(
Yes, even though they are winless like us and sit just above us on the ladder, I reckon they can smell some easy prey, and will be primed for their first win.
In Smith, out Buckley.
Freo took it right up to North for most of the game yesterday, we won't get within 6 goals of them in Perth.
Jones needs a few good VFL games on the trot as far as I'm concerned.
Out: Phillips, Buckley.
In: Jones, Armfield.
Our main need will be for some more goal kicking ability so Jones, Jaksch and Everitt must be in with a show, although I would rather see Jones perform consistently in the VFL for a couple of more weeks before he get's another chance in the seniors.
We also need more F50 pressure so maybe Armfield and Clem are in with a show - I wouldn't be surprised to see Murph "rested" after his knock.
Don't think Phillips will be dropped - he went OK IMO. Buckley looks likely to be gone though.
To drop Phillips over Kreuzer would just be wrong IMO, Kreuzer is literally hopeless and seems to have lost his ability to play, definitely a stint in the twos for him.
Our main need will be for some more goal kicking ability so Jones, Jaksch and Everitt must be in with a show, although I would rather see Jones perform consistently in the VFL for a couple of more weeks before he get's another chance in the seniors.
We also need more F50 pressure so maybe Armfield and Clem are in with a show - I wouldn't be surprised to see Murph "rested" after his knock.
Don't think Phillips will be dropped - he went OK IMO. Buckley looks likely to be gone though.
The tall in the gun will be Casboult, these sort of stats don't cut it;
Player Name K H D M HO T FF FA G B SC Rat
Levi Casboult 5 3 8 6 0 4 0 2 0 0 0 49
I think we will need to go for pace as the best option to carve up Freo.
The tall in the gun will be Casboult, these sort of stats don't cut it;
Player Name K H D M HO T FF FA G B SC Rat
Levi Casboult 5 3 8 6 0 4 0 2 0 0 0 49
I think we will need to go for pace as the best option to carve up Freo.
I'd play Jones and Jaksch and use Casboult as the second ruckman around the ground....agree Freo on a dry track will probably require some more pace but I think we need to kick goals to win and I'd be using an extra tall down forward rather than just going with Casboult alone..
Jones has earnt a call up. No question.
Anyone from WA (south west) going to the game? PM me please :))
Jones has earnt a call up. No question.
Yep
You have to reward performance....it's up to Jones to make the best of it.
To drop Phillips over Kreuzer would just be wrong IMO, Kreuzer is literally hopeless and seems to have lost his ability to play, definitely a stint in the twos for him.
Phillips has shown more in 4 weeks than Kruezer has shown in 2 years.
Agree. Drop him and play Meat as the second ruckman.
I'd play Jones and Jaksch and use Casboult as the second ruckman around the ground....agree Freo on a dry track will probably require some more pace but I think we need to kick goals to win and I'd be using an extra tall down forward rather than just going with Casboult alone..
Yes, I think that'd be a better result for us. Then the pressure off Casboult to both be the key forward, taking the brunt of the defence, and to kick at goal. Our best results come when Kreuzer and Casboult ruck together. Actually, the way our rucks are going Wood and Casboult, who went pretty well together last year, might be thee best combination on form.
I think a tall defender might come in for Rowe too. White was really good on Friday or maybe Jammo, whose not going great but still a better option than Rowe.
I think a tall defender might come in for Rowe too. White was really good on Friday or maybe Jammo, whose not going great but still a better option than Rowe.
Well the dockers forward line isn't stacked with dangerous talls so our back line choices this week could be interesting. If they go in with Pav, Mayne, Taberner, Walters and the flea as their main forward structure again then both Rowe and Jamison could line up in the magoos because White, Plowman, Weitering, lucky Dylan Buckley and Simpson are probably the best respective match ups. Unless the Dockers have a surprise tall ruck/forward to spring on us then Rowe won't be needed.
I think this match will be won or lost in the midfield as they can also match up our forwards pretty well even if we bring in Jones for extra height. Unfortunately their midfield is likely to run over us on the larger ground unless our work rate and disposal improve significantly in the next 6 days. Reckon at least 1 of Boekhorst, Armfield, Tutt or Cunningham need to come into the line up to add some more speed across the ground.
I never thought this would happen but Jones has to be a chance to come in for the Dockers game.
Fraser was full of praise:
Stats: 14 disposals, 9 marks (5 contested, 4 inside 50), 3 inside 50s, 5 goals
From the coach: Another strong performance from Liam: he provided a real focal point forward of ball. He continues to provide repeat efforts and is showing good leadership.
And Bolton says he's a chance:
Bolton said the Blues would consider recalling tall forward Liam Jones for the Freo clash. The former Bulldog sits on top of the VFL goalkicking ladder with eight goals after two rounds, including five last weekend against Geelong.
Just going on Fraser's assessments, White would be pressing for selection and, while he's probably due for another run in the NBs, Armfield's "effort and energy . . . ability to apply pressure . . . and his leadership and spirit . . ." wouldn't go astray.
Everitt is apparently over his calf injury and is in selection contention too (I imagine much to the dismay of some supporters).
It will be interesting if Jones does come in. I can't really see any of Casboult, Phillips and Kreuzer going out and Charlie Curnow has done enough to keep his spot. Perhaps he'll be 'rested'.
There will be a few raised eyebrows this week when Murphy plays. His head cut was so bad that it needed a rather large number of staples. They are still there. They are not certain (but are highly probable) to be removed before this weekend's game. Murphy will play for at least 1 week in a helmet. Maybe 3 or 4, depending on how his head heals.
Over the years there have been questions about Murphy in a lot of regards. It looks like his wanting to be out there for us is no longer going to be one of them.
How effective he will be, now that is an interesting question! He wasn't all that effective last week before he got injured. Personally I would take things more conservatively, but I found that few if any of the AFL medicos share my opinion. I prefer a fit player, clubs appear to prefer half fit stars.
I guess just because I take a long time to get right, I assume others will. And I always underestimate the ability of some people to play with what I consider serious injury. Why Hodge played last week, I will probably not understand. But until some club gets bitten, .....
There haven't been that many whispers about who may come in this week. The club sent out an injury update yesterday that had a number of guys close. Silvagni was said to be almost certain to play, but he will be in the VFL. Maybe Walker will be fit? Maybe....
I would start Walker in the VFL anyway. He generally doesn't d a lot first week back. Charlie Curnow is good enough for the moment.
I find myself in a position I never expected: I think Liam Jones may be called up this week.
I gave up on the guy, I admit it freely. Too often last year I was disappointed with poor showings in the VFL, let alone the seniors. However, his recent form is enough that he evens looks like a player. I may find it difficult to believe, but....
I'd be tempted to leave him in the VFL for another week, just t see if these few weeks have been true flukes. But with our need for goals, he just might get up.
The other question I have over our team when it is named tomorrow is the ruck spot. Now Freo are missing a guy whom we have never been able to control reasonably in Sandilands. However, our own ruck stocks have looked less than impressive. Phillips has had his moments, and looks to be viable option for the future, but he doesn't take a heap of marks around the ground. Kreuzer, on the other hand, has been getting a reasonable number of taps, but not doing much with them; he hasn't been able to take a contested mark anywhere on the ground and he hasn't been worth much as a forward. (That said, in the last quarter against the Dogs he picked up and actually took 3 marks in the forward line. He lead well and looked like he knew what he was doing, something that NONE of our 'forwards' have been able to replicate so far. However, he still had the sit for a mark 20 m out from goal and couldn't complete what should have been a regulation mark. A few years back he would have swallowed it. And he could not kick a goal.)
I am not sure which way the Match Committee is going to jump with this one.
Buckley is another question. After a few ordinary weeks he started brilliantly last week, getting half a dozen possessions and a goal early and making the Dog defenders look slow. Then he dropped off the end of the planet and was barely seen again.
Had he been able to keep playing like he did early, he would not be under pressure to hold his spot. But he is definitely someone who needs to start producing more.
Nick Graham is another who is questionable, although he has had only 1 really poor game (against the Dogs). However, he has been able to reproduce the for he had last year and during most of the pre-season.
To me he appears to be playing a slightly different role and not getting as many clearances. I think he plays his best when he is getting clearances.
But the other question is, who do we bring in?
Clem Smith is doing some really impressive negative work. In fact, his chasing, tackling and smothering produced goals last week in the VFL. But he barely got the ball himself.
Armfield probably needs another game to get his match fitness up. He also did some nice things, but didn't get huge numbers either. His leadership on the forward line, on the other hand, was invaluable in the VFL.
Cunningham and DVR are possibles, but both had their least effective games for the year last weekend (and we still won!): they need to get the possessions up again to get a promotion, especially against the mature bodies of Freo.
There will be a few raised eyebrows this week when Murphy plays. His head cut was so bad that it needed a rather large number of staples. They are still there. They are not certain (but are highly probable) to be removed before this weekend's game. Murphy will play for at least 1 week in a helmet. Maybe 3 or 4, depending on how his head heals.
Over the years there have been questions about Murphy in a lot of regards. It looks like his wanting to be out there for us is no longer going to be one of them.
How effective he will be, now that is an interesting question! He wasn't all that effective last week before he got injured. Personally I would take things more conservatively, but I found that few if any of the AFL medicos share my opinion. I prefer a fit player, clubs appear to prefer half fit stars.
I guess just because I take a long time to get right, I assume others will. And I always underestimate the ability of some people to play with what I consider serious injury. Why Hodge played last week, I will probably not understand. But until some club gets bitten, .....
There haven't been that many whispers about who may come in this week. The club sent out an injury update yesterday that had a number of guys close. Silvagni was said to be almost certain to play, but he will be in the VFL. Maybe Walker will be fit? Maybe....
I would start Walker in the VFL anyway. He generally doesn't d a lot first week back. Charlie Curnow is good enough for the moment.
I find myself in a position I never expected: I think Liam Jones may be called up this week.
I gave up on the guy, I admit it freely. Too often last year I was disappointed with poor showings in the VFL, let alone the seniors. However, his recent form is enough that he evens looks like a player. I may find it difficult to believe, but....
I'd be tempted to leave him in the VFL for another week, just t see if these few weeks have been true flukes. But with our need for goals, he just might get up.
The other question I have over our team when it is named tomorrow is the ruck spot. Now Freo are missing a guy whom we have never been able to control reasonably in Sandilands. However, our own ruck stocks have looked less than impressive. Phillips has had his moments, and looks to be viable option for the future, but he doesn't take a heap of marks around the ground. Kreuzer, on the other hand, has been getting a reasonable number of taps, but not doing much with them; he hasn't been able to take a contested mark anywhere on the ground and he hasn't been worth much as a forward. (That said, in the last quarter against the Dogs he picked up and actually took 3 marks in the forward line. He lead well and looked like he knew what he was doing, something that NONE of our 'forwards' have been able to replicate so far. However, he still had the sit for a mark 20 m out from goal and couldn't complete what should have been a regulation mark. A few years back he would have swallowed it. And he could not kick a goal.)
I am not sure which way the Match Committee is going to jump with this one.
Buckley is another question. After a few ordinary weeks he started brilliantly last week, getting half a dozen possessions and a goal early and making the Dog defenders look slow. Then he dropped off the end of the planet and was barely seen again.
Had he been able to keep playing like he did early, he would not be under pressure to hold his spot. But he is definitely someone who needs to start producing more.
Nick Graham is another who is questionable, although he has had only 1 really poor game (against the Dogs). However, he has been able to reproduce the for he had last year and during most of the pre-season.
To me he appears to be playing a slightly different role and not getting as many clearances. I think he plays his best when he is getting clearances.
But the other question is, who do we bring in?
Clem Smith is doing some really impressive negative work. In fact, his chasing, tackling and smothering produced goals last week in the VFL. But he barely got the ball himself.
Armfield probably needs another game to get his match fitness up. He also did some nice things, but didn't get huge numbers either. His leadership on the forward line, on the other hand, was invaluable in the VFL.
Cunningham and DVR are possibles, but both had their least effective games for the year last weekend (and we still won!): they need to get the possessions up again to get a promotion, especially against the mature bodies of Freo.
Everitt might come back in if fit seeing as we cant beg, borrow or steal a goal and he can kick straight regardless of his other shortcomings...
Jones has to play. The bloke is beating the door down and we can't buy a goal.
To drop Phillips over Kreuzer would just be wrong IMO, Kreuzer is literally hopeless and seems to have lost his ability to play, definitely a stint in the twos for him.
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I am not breaking my neck to see Jones back this week. Yes he's had a couple of very good performances but he was very poor in all his previous senior games - we must not forget that too quickly. I would like to see him maintain his improvement for a bit longer in the NBs. I would, be surprised, based on BB's response to the question of Jones, to see him back this week.
However, if he does return I think it would be at the expense of Kreuz, who is not in his best ruck form and provides precious little in terms of forward power, either marking or kicking for goal, atm. I think both Phillips and Casboult will be retained.
Rowe and Buckley may be looking shaky though with Armfield and Everitt possibly coming back to provide more F50 pressure and more reliable goalkicking power respectively.
Jones has earnt a call up. No question.
Yes but he also earned the status of "never to be picked again". Well earned.
I'd rather we picked our best team which would include Kreuze and Jaksch.
Drop Phillips and leave Jones where he should be. VFL.
Need Walker back.
Need Everitt back like we need a hole in the head.
I'd play Jones and Jaksch and use Casboult as the second ruckman around the ground....agree Freo on a dry track will probably require some more pace but I think we need to kick goals to win and I'd be using an extra tall down forward rather than just going with Casboult alone..
Please let this happen, we need them to have an extended stint in the 1's and see if they can get some confidence and actually feel like they belong.
If Jones, Jaksch, Everitt, Walker, Levi (2nd ruck), Sumner and Lamb can start to create some synergy and spark and gain confidence as an offensive unit and perform well together its a good start to working towards kicking a winning score. Throw in C Curnow, Wright and Kerridge as back-up plus McKay and SoSoS on slow roast then the future is starting to look a little brighter.
Unfortunately we are stuck in the life after Fev/Waite/Betts stage but if those blokes can click and start to work together as a team and look after each other then we are on the right track, it all takes time.
Go Blues
turn gibbs into robbie Gray.
Tell him his aim is to kick 3+ goals a game from mid/HFF.
If we're going to drop one of kreuzer or Phillips and use Casboult as the second ruck this is the week to try it. If they use Taberner as their second ruck again Casboult would walk right through him. Even Jones could share the part time ruck duties and beat Taberner!
Could also be a week that we don't need Rowe as he won't have a match up - the dockers just don't have a big KP forward that is a threat.
If we're going to drop one of kreuzer or Phillips and use Casboult as the second ruck this is the week to try it. If they use Taberner as their second ruck again Casboult would walk right through him. Even Jones could share the part time ruck duties and beat Taberner!
Could also be a week that we don't need Rowe as he won't have a match up - the dockers just don't have a big KP forward that is a threat.
Is Pav out? If not we'll probably find a way to make him relevant!
As for KP forwards, they have a bunch of Cripps sized mids that can do OK resting forward if they are not respected and some lightning fast small forwards.
Is Pav out? If not we'll probably find a way to make him relevant!
As for KP forwards, they have a bunch of Cripps sized mids that can do OK resting forward if they are not respected and some lightning fast small forwards.
No Mundy....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-20/david-mundy-to-miss-one-more-week-with-calf-strain (http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-20/david-mundy-to-miss-one-more-week-with-calf-strain)
Is Pav out? If not we'll probably find a way to make him relevant!
As for KP forwards, they have a bunch of Cripps sized mids that can do OK resting forward if they are not respected and some lightning fast small forwards.
We'll know tonight but I'm not aware of anything stopping him lining up so surely they'll play him to maximise the chance of beating us. Pav isn't that tall though so Rowe wouldn't be much good on him. I'd be content to let White or Plowman take him.
Barlow and Fyfe are the only larger mids that they've been resting forward. Barlow has been a dud (especially in supercouch!) so its really just Fyfe that needs to be stopped and he's at his most dangerous when playing as a mid who pushes forward while in the midfield rather than playing as a dedicated forward. Dunno who our midfield match up will be for him? Ed Curnow is too short and I'd like to say Gibbs, but well he's Gibbs. Guess the 'team defence' will have to sort that one out.
Buckley, if played back, and Byrne are reasonable match ups for Ballantyne and Walters with Simpsons an option to rotate too.
On paper we match up ok, but I still think they'll take this one by about 5 goals because they will work harder and move the ball better on the bigger ground. You can also count on the western influence on the umpires who seem to rather dislike us this year.
They have had a tough run having played the Dogs, Suns, Eagles and North. Expect Freo to smash us and then there will be a lot of pressure for us to beat Essendon.
Yup I'm expecting them to really punish us. We may be lucky to score 5 goals.
Maybe im just an optimist but I reckon we can beat Freo.
We traditionally play well out west and Hawthorn seem to have a good way with these sides from the West. We are a poor mans hawthorn at the minute, so we might actually do better than expected and of the two of us, I would think that we were tracking better than Freo in terms of knowing what we are trying to do, we just stuff it up every so often and in time should execute things better.
Our biggest concern are their smalls imho. Small forwards have been cutting us up for a long time, and I reckon that Walters and Ballantyne will cause us more grief than any of their talls.
Maybe im just an optimist but I reckon we can beat Freo.
We traditionally play well out west and Hawthorn seem to have a good way with these sides from the West. We are a poor mans hawthorn at the minute, so we might actually do better than expected and of the two of us, I would think that we were tracking better than Freo in terms of knowing what we are trying to do, we just stuff it up every so often and in time should execute things better.
Our biggest concern are their smalls imho. Small forwards have been cutting us up for a long time, and I reckon that Walters and Ballantyne will cause us more grief than any of their talls.
Indeed. Their small forwards usually have a picnic against us.
I would like to see OURS have a decent game.
Gibbs best games have been off the HBF on larger opponents like Goodes or Darling.
But that is part of our problem, we have too many blokes who play their best football in defense where they do not have to be in the focus of an opponent. Further most of our better defenders lack pace, they cannot deal with the likes of Freo's small forwards.
As I see it, blokes like Gibbs, Buckley and Walker are now left competing for the same role. Walker is close to the end, Gibbs struggles with agility and Buckley is as yet unproven. In the last week Plowman has shown he makes at least one of them redundant as he plays small and tall, is mobile, agile and young. Their skin is probably saved by the fact that Simmo is close to the end.
Reckon the last 3/4 of 2014 was Gibbs' best - in the guts and forward rather than following.
They have had a tough run having played the Dogs, Suns, Eagles and North. Expect Freo to smash us and then there will be a lot of pressure for us to beat Essendon.
I agree that Freo will win easily. Don't know about the pressure to beat Essendon - from whom ? Erudite, knowledgeable and sensible CFC supporters know that Essendon's off season recruiting was about short term survival / competitiveness. As you yourself have stated, their list is better than ours at the moment.
No pressure from me.
Reckon the last 3/4 of 2014 was Gibbs' best - in the guts and forward rather than following.
Agree that Gibbs peak performance was statistically better on-ball, but I am not sure that is where he was consistent, and I wouldn't necessarily think peak statistical performance means best football. A lot of those high ranking games were mid-field shootouts. But that 2014 game on Goodes is a prime example, not a midfield shootout, he stopped a significant opponent and won plenty of football in the process.
Did MMs stop start game plan suit Gibbs better?
The media, they have left us alone so far this year but lose to the bombers and all of a sudden we'll be reading about us not being able to win a single game.
The media, they have left us alone so far this year but lose to the bombers and all of a sudden we'll be reading about us not being able to win a single game.
This is certainly the case, that some of the media are ignoring us, but only some as others are laying the ground work now. I don't understand why hardcore supporters cannot see this coming. By seasons end if we lose to teams like EFC we are the ones in the hot-seat not EFC, Freo, Collingwood or Nthmond.
I'm worried about the behavior of the entrenched board members in that circumstance. They have a history of finger-pointing, picking on the little guy to save themselves, and they won't find anyone littler in the AFL system at that high level than Bolton.
It will be a pity if we cannot get our list sorted to win a few games, but if we don't win at least one in the coming weeks we may not win at all! Ultimately that will hurt memberships, sponsorships, financially and psychologically.
We are not in line for the same sorts of concessions that GWS or GC got off the AFL, but we are in the same position they found themselves in a few years back.
This is certainly the case, that some of the media are ignoring us, but only some as others are laying the ground work now. I don't understand why hardcore supporters cannot see this coming. By seasons end if we lose to teams like EFC we are the ones in the hot-seat not EFC, Freo, Collingwood or Nthmond.
I'm worried about the behavior of the entrenched board members in that circumstance. They have a history of finger-pointing, picking on the little guy to save themselves, and they won't find anyone littler in the AFL system at that high level than Bolton.
It will be a pity if we cannot get our list sorted to win a few games, but if we don't win at least one in the coming weeks we may not win at all! Ultimately that will hurt memberships, sponsorships, financially and psychologically.
We are not in line for the same sorts of concessions that GWS or GC got off the AFL, but we are in the same position they found themselves in a few years back.
Look we need to win a game or two for the reasons you have stated and if we lose to EFC then the feral masses will want the coach's head but those with some understanding of our position know the reality
of where we are at and that 2016 is not about wins but development and finding players for our next core group.
I am sure we can sneak a couple of wins but I wont be putting my house on it at this stage...the coach is on the right track and its about the journey and not the destination at this stage..
the coach is on the right track and its about the journey and not the destination at this stage..
the process?
the process?
The process at the moment is education...when we get all the pieces to the puzzle ie required players to fill or the gaps we can work on the method/game plan.
I wouldnt be bothered over complicating things at the moment, some of our players are struggling with the basics..if we had 40 Weiterings/Cripps on the list then we could skip
process 101 and move to 301 but thats dreamimg...
I think Bolton himself admitted in a post match presser a week or two go all he can do is educate this season and look to cut and draft more players at season end...he knows
he need another big cull to get the list in shape..
The process at the moment is education...when we get all the pieces to the puzzle ie required players to fill or the gaps we can work on the method/game plan.
I wouldnt be bothered over complicating things at the moment, some of our players are struggling with the basics..if we had 40 Weiterings/Cripps on the list then we could skip
process 101 and move to 301 but thats dreamimg...
I think Bolton himself admitted in a post match presser a week or two go all he can do is educate this season and look to cut and draft more players at season end...he knows
he need another big cull to get the list in shape..
The temptation for sure would be there to try for a reassuring win with a different game plan and team selection, and I must admit it would be nice to savour that sweet taste again. However, I think BB will keep going with his current approach for the time being. There are potentially big dividends if we can only hold the line with it, but it will be hard to keep up morale if we keep getting beaten week in week out.
The temptation for sure would be there to try for a reassuring win with a different game plan and team selection, and I must admit it would be nice to savour that sweet taste again. However, I think BB will keep going with his current approach for the time being. There are potentially big dividends if we can only hold the line with it, but it will be hard to keep up morale if we keep getting beaten week in week out.
This is it..does the board, CEO, Pres, sponsors etc understand rebuilding or will we sacrifice development for short term corporate gain...you regain lost members/sponsors when you are successful.....success is repeated finals appearances, not winning 3 games rather than 1...there has to be some pain on the journey...
The media, they have left us alone so far this year but lose to the bombers and all of a sudden we'll be reading about us not being able to win a single game.
Perhaps you're right. It could either way - the choice for the wooden spoon was either us or the Bombers. I've heard some in the media discussing the small improvements they see in us, so I guess as long as they keep seeing that...........
The expectations were very low at the start of the season, but of course as EB says, there will always be a media and supporter contingent who will whinge.
The process at the moment is education...when we get all the pieces to the puzzle ie required players to fill or the gaps we can work on the method/game plan.
I wouldnt be bothered over complicating things at the moment, some of our players are struggling with the basics..if we had 40 Weiterings/Cripps on the list then we could skip
process 101 and move to 301 but thats dreamimg...
I think Bolton himself admitted in a post match presser a week or two go all he can do is educate this season and look to cut and draft more players at season end...he knows
he need another big cull to get the list in shape..
I think you missed his attempt to take the piss.
I think you missed his attempt to take the piss.
I responded in good faith but you never know on this forum these days.....I leave the piss taking, baiting and windup's to those who are good at it.... ;)
Freo by 45 points
Rain forecast for Freo on Sunday :(
Does this help ?
Any help appreciated
I agree that Freo will win easily. Don't know about the pressure to beat Essendon - from whom ? Erudite, knowledgeable and sensible CFC supporters know that Essendon's off season recruiting was about short term survival / competitiveness. As you yourself have stated, their list is better than ours at the moment.
No pressure from me.
It would be the worst start to the season in our history. It basically starts the ball rolling.
The process at the moment is education...when we get all the pieces to the puzzle ie required players to fill or the gaps we can work on the method/game plan.
I wouldnt be bothered over complicating things at the moment, some of our players are struggling with the basics..if we had 40 Weiterings/Cripps on the list then we could skip
process 101 and move to 301 but thats dreamimg...
I think Bolton himself admitted in a post match presser a week or two go all he can do is educate this season and look to cut and draft more players at season end...he knows
he need another big cull to get the list in shape..
I don't think Bolton has said anything about the list other than positive comments. Unlike previous coaches, he is very supportive of the playing group in his public comments. Of course, what he thinks privately may well be a different matter.
I think that he is pretty realistic about how long it will take before the gameplan is second nature and we develop the 'polish and execution' to carry it off.
It would be the worst start to the season in our history. It basically starts the ball rolling.
I know, but the media and certain supporters love putting the boot in, so if it's not that "record", it will be something else.
You try and process as much repetitive information as you can, but after a while it's just becomes blah - you can't process it any more (for a multitude of reasons), so it just washes over you without any effect. I have no issue when the anti Carlton brigade rear their ugly heads, because I've read and experienced it that often, it's pointless focusing on it.
I hope the reset that is talked about extends throughout the club. We know the anti CFC crap will start sooner or later, and this doesn't interest me. What does interest me is our response to this. In the past we have poor in dealing with this, and if the reset is real and not just words, I expect the club to really improve in how they deal with it.
It would be the worst start to the season in our history. It basically starts the ball rolling.
It's a good question you pose. Surely the club would not be dumb enough to pull the triggers (no pun intended) one year in, but at the same time, you cannot go through a season winless. Would be good if we beat the scum twice and that's it, they win 3-4 games and we get pick 1 and a priority pick. That would almost be the perfect result.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/liam-jones-in-the-mix-for-carlton-blues-clash-with-fremantle-dockers-20160420-goal4z.html
The quotes from Bolton throughout this article give some insights into the recent discussion in this thread.
Rain forecast for Freo on Sunday :(
Does this help ?
Any help appreciated
If it rains in Perth it usually doesn't rain for long.
...during the day it won't be too slippery and the ground will drain well. I don't think it will much difference.
"We know Murph is tough in and under and he's a real hard gut runner so he's important to us and he'll be fine," coach Brendon Bolton said.
Hahaha wtf. Maybe we SHOULD sack him.
In: Jamo, White, Jones
First glance I thought you had Waite in there lol I wish
In: Jamo, White, Jones
Jamo and Krooz named as possible interchanges. Is this list "legally enforceable" If Krooz or Jamo make it to the final 22, do they have to start on the bench ?
EDIT : http://www.afl.com.au/news/teams
In: Jamo, White, Jones
Hmmmmm.....not really the ins I would've said that I'd want to see at the start of the year but anyway.
Not sure what to make of them, With Pav a maybe they dont really have much up forward. Perhaps White on Ballantyne would be my only thought.
I expect Jones to play. He has been rewarded for effort in Two's and don't mind that.
So Jamo gets dropped, doesnt play in the 2's and gets named in the extended bench. So was he omitted or injured? Puzzling given its all about "earning youre spot".
So Jamo gets dropped, doesnt play in the 2's and gets named in the extended bench. So was he omitted or injured? Puzzling given its all about "earning youre spot".
I would suggest he is an emergency.
@Shades
Definitely happy to give Jones a shot under the new regime.
So Jamo gets dropped, doesnt play in the 2's and gets named in the extended bench. So was he omitted or injured? Puzzling given its all about "earning youre spot".
He couldn't play maggoos last week because he was the emergency.
He couldn't play maggoos last week because he was the emergency.
Didn't take us long to switch back to the "Old Ways" did it? :o
After seeing the extended side, my guess would be Jones in, Buckley out, Buckley, White and Jammo as the emergencies.
Hopefully the emergencies are Kreuzer, Jamison and White.
Read we are 18th for overall clearances and similar for centre clearances.....thats not good when most of us rate our mids as one of our few positives, impossible to win games with those stats.....Cripps is being rotation tagged every game and its exposing the rest of our mids as nothing more than free wheelers who wont get the hard ball...
Read we are 18th for overall clearances and similar for centre clearances.....thats not good when most of us rate our mids as one of our few positives, impossible to win games with those stats.....Cripps is being rotation tagged every game and its exposing the rest of our mids as nothing more than free wheelers who wont get the hard ball...
Clearances were one of our few strengths last year too.
With Rowe, Weitering and Plowman in defence you assume Jamison and White won't play. You'd assume Touhy and Jones will play. Leaves Buckley, Graham or Kreuzer. Do we want the extra tall, compared to other weeks, with Jones in the team, or drop one of the smalls. I like Kreuzer but he's badly out of form so at Subi I don't mind the extra run with the two smalls. I'm thinking the selection committee will still go with Kreuzer though.
Read we are 18th for overall clearances and similar for centre clearances.....thats not good when most of us rate our mids as one of our few positives, impossible to win games with those stats.....Cripps is being rotation tagged every game and its exposing the rest of our mids as nothing more than free wheelers who wont get the hard ball...
Which is why we need to ditch Jibbs and Furphy, the AFL version of remoras, trying to hitch a free ride on Crippas back, like they did on Judd and Carrazzo for all those years.
Which is why we need to ditch Jibbs and Furphy, the AFL version of remoras, trying to hitch a free ride on Crippas back, like they did on Judd and Carrazzo for all those years.
All teams have inside and outside players, our problem is we haven't had a good midfield coach since Ratten got the chop!
We don't even set up correctly at the bounce. Phillips get a free hand to the ball and taps it right, Kreuzer has stopped cracking in, I assume because they are leaving it all to Cripps. Nothing I have seen so far this season gives me any confidence. There are U12s with better structures.
All teams have inside and outside players, our problem is we haven't had a good midfield coach since Ratten got the chop!
We don't even set up correctly at the bounce.
But Murph is tough in and under according to Bolts! LOL.
But Murph is tough in and under according to Bolts! LOL.
Off to the Bolton thread with you! ;)
Read we are 18th for overall clearances and similar for centre clearances.....thats not good when most of us rate our mids as one of our few positives, impossible to win games with those stats.....Cripps is being rotation tagged every game and its exposing the rest of our mids as nothing more than free wheelers who wont get the hard ball...
18th for clearances and 18th for tackles in the AFL.
Cripps is 1st for clearances and 4th for tackles in the AFL.
Bloke needs support.
18th for clearances and 18th for tackles in the AFL.
Cripps is 1st for clearances and 4th for tackles in the AFL.
Bloke needs support.
Agree....As Carrots suggested...Gibbs and Murphy are passengers in the middle.....
All teams have inside and outside players, our problem is we haven't had a good midfield coach since Ratten got the chop!
We don't even set up correctly at the bounce. Phillips get a free hand to the ball and taps it right, Kreuzer has stopped cracking in, I assume because they are leaving it all to Cripps. Nothing I have seen so far this season gives me any confidence. There are U12s with better structures.
I actually think Laidley did a good job with the midfield last season, especially when we had some fit players to move through it. We did quite well at getting clearances, even when we weren't winning the ruck. We were not perfect - we really got smashed a couple of times - and we didn't make a lot of those clearances, but we managed to get good numbers.
At the moment, Bolton and his crew have made significant changes to how our midfield operates. When we finally work it and get it right, it should be as effective as Hawthorn's and it really does offer the opportunity for good inside 50 entries. Last year we went via the cape most of the time.
Ratten would be useful as a midfield coach, as he did make some significant progress with what turned out to be a very average bunch of mids (not including Judd). However ..... :)
I don't think our midfield will get close to its potential until we find or develop a top ruckman. At the moment, we are not tapping to the advantage of our mids enough. Kreuzer, in particular, rarely get a really clean tap. Phillips is learning and improving. He is better at getting cleaner taps when he gets them, through his leap. Kreuzer hasn't been able to out jump or out muscle his opponents.
Agree....As Carrots suggested...Gibbs and Murphy are passengers in the middle.....
I wouldn't call them 'passengers' yet, but they certainly have NOT fit their game to our new centre system (and visa versa).
I noted especially against the Suns (as I saw the game on TV and looked back later to make sure I wasn't seeing things), a little less so against the Dogs (not as good a view and Murphy wasn't even in the centre that much in that game), that both Gibbs and Murphy were getting the ball, but being either tackled and losing it, or being picked off as they handball to where they appear programmed to think our other mids should be. Our other mids were not where they were handballing it: it usually went directly to Hall or Ablett and the Suns got a pretty good clearance as a result. The Dogs smothered Gibbs and ran the ball out easily.
To be honest, I don't think Graham has been effective in this area either. Last year he was MUCH better at getting clearances and making tackles in the middle. In the pre-season he was our most effective mid, but even then he got a lot of clearances under pressure.
Clearly the opposition was reading our structure better than we were: result, few clearances. I was not surprised to read that we are 18th at the moment.
On the other hand Cripps has not been as effective in the centre square this year either. For one, he gets more attention. Secondly, I think he is also not in sync with our new midfield structure yet either. There have been times when he has ended up trying to chase fast guys - a losing proposition for him.
However, he has really been good around the ground, at ball ups and throw ins. In some ways he has been using his strength and class to get the clearance on his own. And he certainly wills himself to get the ball, much like Judd did a few years back. I am not surprised he is 4th in the competition for clearances: he has been getting the vast majority of ours.
I wouldn't call them 'passengers' yet, but they certainly have NOT fit their game to our new centre system (and visa versa).
I noted especially against the Suns (as I saw the game on TV and looked back later to make sure I wasn't seeing things), a little less so against the Dogs (not as good a view and Murphy wasn't even in the centre that much in that game), that both Gibbs and Murphy were getting the ball, but being either tackled and losing it, or being picked off as they handball to where they appear programmed to think our other mids should be. Our other mids were not where they were handballing it: it usually went directly to Hall or Ablett and the Suns got a pretty good clearance as a result. The Dogs smothered Gibbs and ran the ball out easily.
To be honest, I don't think Graham has been effective in this area either. Last year he was MUCH better at getting clearances and making tackles in the middle. In the pre-season he was our most effective mid, but even then he got a lot of clearances under pressure.
Clearly the opposition was reading our structure better than we were: result, few clearances. I was not surprised to read that we are 18th at the moment.
On the other hand Cripps has not been as effective in the centre square this year either. For one, he gets more attention. Secondly, I think he is also not in sync with our new midfield structure yet either. There have been times when he has ended up trying to chase fast guys - a losing proposition for him.
However, he has really been good around the ground, at ball ups and throw ins. In some ways he has been using his strength and class to get the clearance on his own. And he certainly wills himself to get the ball, much like Judd did a few years back. I am not surprised he is 4th in the competition for clearances: he has been getting the vast majority of ours.
18th in overall clearances and in centre clearances points the finger at every other mid bar Cripps and that poor kid is being worked over each week by 2-3 players........
Graham isnt intense or strong enough IMO...Gibbs and Murphy are not true in and under IMO....we need another big mid who can get the footy and farm it out to the likes of Gibbs and Murphy....
Notice we have been using Wright more at stoppages to try and win some hard ball which tell me the coach knows whats happening...
Last year we were dominating the contested ball and clearances and we still got smashed.
Fremantle
B: Cameron Sutcliffe, Zac Dawson, Lee Spurr.
HB: Alex Pearce, Michael Johnson, Tommy Sheridan.
C: Lachie Weller, Stephen Hill, Danyle Pearce.
HF: Michael Barlow, Matthew Pavlich, Hayden Ballantyne.
F: Michael Walters, Chris Mayne, Matt Taberner.
Foll: Jonathon Griffin, Nat Fyfe, Lachie Neale.
Int: Hayden Crozier, Ed Langdon, Darcy Tucker, Brady Grey, Garrick Ibbotson, Nick Suban, Zac Clarke (Three to be omitted)
In: Darcy Tucker, Brady Grey, Zac Clarke.
New: Darcy Tucker
To be honest, I expect Clarke to play. Griffin will need someone to give him a rest. Griffin hasn't played a lot against us, but the last 2 times he had great games.
Mayne was named, something of a surprise. I hope he is half fit, but he usually has a good game against us as well. :(
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Ciaran Byrne.
HB: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Bryce Gibbs.
C: Dale Thomas, Ed Curnow, Sam Docherty.
HF: Liam Sumner, Levi Casboult, Matthew Wright.
F: Jed Lamb, Charlie Curnow, Marc Murphy.
Foll: Andrew Phillips, Patrick Cripps, Sam Kerridge.
Int: Dylan Buckley, Nick Graham, Michael Jamison, Liam Jones, Matthew Kreuzer, Zach Tuohy, Simon White (Three to be omitted).
In:Michael Jamison, Liam Jones, Simon White
I expect us to take at least 2 of the 3 emergencies. It seems to be our style under Bolton. Fair enough, but the emergencies don't usually get a game that weekend at all. There is a smaller probability that we will take all 3. Two is more likely, as the VFL has now entered proper competition.
I do not think all of the 3 'Ins' will play. White's good game last week might get him the nod, but Jones' goals could get hi over the line.
I would not have named Thomas. He didn't get through last week's game and was listed as having both ankle and knee issues at the time. I hate us playing half fit players, but we do name them and usually play them anyway. So I think it most likely that Thomas will play, but I wouldn't have named him.
Last year we were dominating the contested ball and clearances and we still got smashed.
That was Mick's useless gameplan.
I think Bux and Nicky G are in strife based on output.
That was Mick's useless gameplan.
So far this year is the same.
So far this year is the same.
Same as in useless maybe, same as in winless definitely, but very very different to watch. Parts of it a very very good, but not enough parts at this stage.
Same as in useless maybe, same as in winless definitely, but very very different to watch. Parts of it a very very good, but not enough parts at this stage.
Pretty much my thoughts as well.
I think Bux and Nicky G are in strife based on output.
Yep Graham has dropped off. Can't see him playing.
Yep Graham has dropped off. Can't see him playing.
Funny that there seems to be a bit of competition for places - in a team that can't win a game.
Lots of ordinary players?
Hopefully the emergencies are Kreuzer, Jamison and White.
+ 1
From what I can see on the AFL App Kreuzer and Touhy aren't on the list, who have been replaced by Jamo and Jones
From what I can see on the AFL App Kreuzer and Touhy aren't on the list, who have been replaced by Jamo and Jones
The AFL App has two sets of interchange players; Buckley, Graham, Jamison and Jones on one, Jones, Kreuzer, Tuohy and White on the other ???
White to do a run with role on Fyfe?
White to do a run with role on Fyfe?
He's not shown in the starting 18 on the AFL website, but I don't know how binding those teams are........
At any rate, I don't mind this match up. White likes a bit of niggle, has good size, and Fyfe has shown in the past that he has a slightly short fuse.
Yep Graham has dropped off. Can't see him playing.
Graham one poor game.....would be completely unfair to drop him on that. Unless you consider one poor game to be dropping off? I would have thought that kind of thing would involve a couple of games. Either way, was sub standard last week.
So far this year is the same.
No, there is a clear difference in our gameplan but the remoras aren't putting in or buying in or maybe even both.
Graham one poor game.....would be completely unfair to drop him on that. Unless you consider one poor game to be dropping off? I would have thought that kind of thing would involve a couple of games. Either way, was sub standard last week.
If he has a niggle it might make more sense and it would also explain his form dip last week.
We might also be playing horses for courses.
A big ground and a big midfield. Graham likes a goal but a small forward he isnt, so it could be a strategy thing.
Buckley
Jones
Kreuzer
Tuohy
Are our Interchanges.
White, Jamo and Graham the Emergencies.
Buckley
Jones
Kreuzer
Tuohy
Are our Interchanges.
White, Jamo and Graham the Emergencies.
Probably fair enough.
Probably fair enough.
Id like to see us play one ruck plus Levi. On form that would be Phillips but Krooz is may be worth a go on his own.
The key here is jacksh finding some form as if he comes on, which we really need him to, along with jones and Levi gives us a much better looking forward line on paper
Id like to see us play one ruck plus Levi. On form that would be Phillips but Krooz is may be worth a go on his own.
The key here is jacksh finding some form as if he comes on, which we really need him to, along with jones and Levi gives us a much better looking forward line on paper
Agree, BB will leave no stone unturned in finding out who can and who cant. Slowly weeding out those who cant.
Id like to see us play one ruck plus Levi. On form that would be Phillips but Krooz is may be worth a go on his own.
The key here is jacksh finding some form as if he comes on, which we really need him to, along with jones and Levi gives us a much better looking forward line on paper
I'm surprised Jaksch isn't in. Form warrants it.
Kreuzer named on the bench must be a last chance indicator.
Disappointed for Graham, one bad game and he gets the chop whereas others out there can get away with murder.
Go Blues.
We are going into this one far too tall.
We dont need all of Rowe, Phillips, Kreuzer and Casboult playing when we lack run.
Graham isnt quick, but he is a good link player, and can win his own ball.
Kreuzer named on the bench must be a last chance indicator.
So is Tuohy but there's no way that he was close to being dropped.
Disappointed for Graham, one bad game and he gets the chop whereas others out there can get away with murder.
Kerridge and Wright are ahead of him apparently.
I'm surprised that Buckley survived, I'd prefer Smith if only for his body strength.
Yes, I'm surprised Buckley survived. Must think we'll need his pace?
We are going into this one far too tall.
We dont need all of Rowe, Phillips, Kreuzer and Casboult playing when we lack run.
Graham isnt quick, but he is a good link player, and can win his own ball.
Was thinking the same, I wouldn't be surprised if kroozer is out
Kerridge and Wright are ahead of him apparently.
I'm surprised that Buckley survived, I'd prefer Smith if only for his body strength.
I think Kerridge and Wright probably are ahead of him ATM but they are seasoned players.
My guess is that Buckley may actually get a gig back in defence, he wasn't awful last week. People keep going on about one dropped mark but in reality is it any worse than the easy shots at goal Kreuzer missed?
We are going into this one far too tall.
We dont need all of Rowe, Phillips, Kreuzer and Casboult playing when we lack run.
Graham isnt quick, but he is a good link player, and can win his own ball.
We'd want to get the ball in quickly, which never happens, otherwise with so many talls it'll come out just as quickly.
We could do without one of the ruckmen.
My guess is that Buckley may actually get a gig back in defence, he wasn't awful last week. People keep going on about one dropped mark but in reality is it any worse than the easy shots at goal Kreuzer missed?
I hope he plays in defence: he has played his best football there.
Buckley's dropped mark from last week really stuck in the mind, but his first quarter was excellent. He was a part of every forward move we made.
His 2nd quarter wasn't much, but he had a LOT of mates.
I would really like it if he could get it all together, but I am losing hope.
Buckley gets a game at carlton solely because his name is buckley....he has no tricks. .he kicks before he thinks. .and is all bluster. .
Buckley gets a game at carlton solely because his name is buckley....he has no tricks. .he kicks before he thinks. .and is all bluster. .
I doubt this is true, its not the 80s or 90s anymore mate. Buckley was drafted FS but was a very good jnr footballer, captained jnr sides also. Not sure whether he will make it but the notion that he gets a game because he is Jimmy's boy is nonsense.
I would really like it if he could get it all together, but I am losing hope.
Same draft as Sam Docherty, the clock is definitely ticking for him.
I doubt this is true, its not the 80s or 90s anymore mate. Buckley was drafted FS but was a very good jnr footballer, captained jnr sides also. Not sure whether he will make it but the notion that he gets a game because he is Jimmy's boy is nonsense.
yep. he was drafted FS. 3rd rd selection pick 62 - high demand from other clubs...
Buckley is possibly our only small with elite pace.
If that is not a trick then you guys are on drugs.
Buckley gets a game at carlton solely because his name is buckley....he has no tricks. .he kicks before he thinks. .and is all bluster. .
That is a silly comment. Buckley gets a game because he has a crack and he's in our best 22. That may help to explain our position on the ladder but Buckley's name would carry no weight with our match committee.
Buckley is possibly our only small with elite pace.
If that is not a trick then you guys are on drugs.
;D ;D
That is a silly comment. Buckley gets a game because he has a crack and he's in our best 22. That may help to explain our position on the ladder but Buckley's name would carry no weight with our match committee.
buckley lacks poise, he kicks before he thinks, he provides no physical pressure that defenders must have. his dropped mark last week was the killer for me - chest mark regulation. he is on the cut list for me.
buckley lacks poise, he kicks before he thinks, he provides no physical pressure that defenders must have. his dropped mark last week was the killer for me - chest mark regulation. he is on the cut list for me.
Its the board its the board!
If you don't rate elite pace have a look a puopolo tonight.
If you don't rate elite pace have a look a puopolo tonight.
Strong little man and very good overhead too, under rated player.....
On the other hand check out Hill EB... Lightly framed and timid... No wonder they rate Issac Smith so highly at Glenferrie, he's irreplaceable.
Hawks dont look as fit as previous years and they need a CHF for later in the year, Gunstan was meh in the role tonight.
On the other hand check out Hill EB... Lightly framed and timid... No wonder they rate Issac Smith so highly at Glenferrie, he's irreplaceable.
Hawks dont look as fit as previous years and they need a CHF for later in the year, Gunstan was meh in the role tonight.
Doesnt matter with them, one dies, another rises. They rarely all play badly. Was a great game. Crows unlucky, Hawks fought to the end.
On the other hand check out Hill EB... Lightly framed and timid... No wonder they rate Issac Smith so highly at Glenferrie, he's irreplaceable.
Hawks dont look as fit as previous years and they need a CHF for later in the year, Gunstan was meh in the role tonight.
Roughead back gives them their other KP Forward..Sicily becomes their 3rd forward...add Bruest, Poppy and Cyril for flavour....
On the other hand check out Hill EB... Lightly framed and timid... No wonder they rate Issac Smith so highly at Glenferrie, he's irreplaceable.
Hawks dont look as fit as previous years and they need a CHF for later in the year, Gunstan was meh in the role tonight.
I thought Smith was really poor particularly in the fourth. Lacked the hunger of his teamates. Cyril, Mitchell, Langford and puopolo found another level when the game needed to be won.
I thought Smith was really poor particularly in the fourth. Lacked the hunger of his teamates. Cyril, Mitchell, Langford and puopolo found another level when the game needed to be won.
I agree, Isaac has not had a great start to the year in terms of consistency IMO. Still to find his mojo, but has a few good moments.
Its the board its the board!
yes it is - when I receive an email from carlton today giving me a free ticket to give to a friend for the carlton v essendon rd 6, you know that carlton is INSOLVENT
yes it is - when I receive an email from carlton today giving me a free ticket to give to a friend for the carlton v essendon rd 6, you know that carlton is INSOLVENT
But I waited for the bus all night, then ended up walking.
But I waited for the bus all night, then ended up walking.
yep. laugh off insolvency...
yes it is - when I receive an email from carlton today giving me a free ticket to give to a friend for the carlton v essendon rd 6, you know that carlton is INSOLVENT
You pointing the finger at the judge yet? Or is he still free from any blame.
You pointing the finger at the judge yet? Or is he still free from any blame.
Yes I am..the whole lot of them
Judge means well but hes taken us as far as he can now.
We need Raynesy!!
yes it is - when I receive an email from carlton today giving me a free ticket to give to a friend for the carlton v essendon rd 6, you know that carlton is INSOLVENT
I would have thought that indicates that we are adopting innovative marketing strategies.
I would have thought that indicates that we are adopting innovative marketing strategies.
I think the club doing the free ticket stuff is more about the fact that EFC stink so much they effectively act as a crowd repellent!
I think the club doing the free ticket stuff is more about the fact that EFC stink so much they effectively act as a crowd repellent!
Well I for one will likely not be going along.
I think the club doing the free ticket stuff is more about the fact that EFC stink so much they effectively act as a crowd repellent!
That's what I thought.
So many have said they refuse to go and watch them...you need to give the tickets away :D
No mate...read point 7 page 5 annual report 2015
There is an undisclosed financial issue that will be prejuducial to the club. ..WE ARE INSOLVENT
What? The Scum insolvent! You ripper, its not going to get any better either.
In case you people have forgotten, we ARE playing a game this weekend. Somewhere over in WA, I think. Against another team that hasn't won a game yet.
No mate...read point 7 page 5 annual report 2015
There is an undisclosed financial issue that will be prejuducial to the club. ..WE ARE INSOLVENT
Yep, shut the doors, its clearly what page 5 point states. If we are insolvent as you state, I expect the CEO and the directors to be in handcuffs as its illegal to trade and can result in criminal charges.
In case you people have forgotten, we ARE playing a game this weekend. Somewhere over in WA, I think. Against another team that hasn't won a game yet.
Carlton by 5
BOG; L. Jones - 4 goals, 8 Marks, 23 possessions.
MOTY; L. Casboult
GOTY; M. Murphy
AFLCA; J. Weitering(10)
Most Possies; B. Gibbs (34)
TOTW; L. Sumner
In case you people have forgotten, we ARE playing a game this weekend. Somewhere over in WA, I think. Against another team that hasn't won a game yet.
I reckon we are a sneaky chance.
Yep, shut the doors, its clearly what page 5 point states. If we are insolvent as you state, I expect the CEO and the directors to be in handcuffs as its illegal to trade and can result in criminal charges.
Thanks for the legal lesson ;)
In case you people have forgotten, we ARE playing a game this weekend. Somewhere over in WA, I think. Against another team that hasn't won a game yet.
Hear, hear... keep the depressive diatribes to the threads that are related to those issues.
Thanks for the legal lesson ;)
No probs, you might want to pass it onto Trigger and The Judge, they might not be aware.
Jammo in the NB team. Other 2 aren't. Also Cunningham was down to play for NB today but isn't on the final list.
I reckon we are a sneaky chance.
Same.
Freo are far from their best and nowhere near where they were last year. When we last played them at Domain, they were average. Had we not had no. 13 "chipping" it, too afraid to engage, and 23 realising he was on a footy field (what the hell was that.... Oh Walters just sat on my shoulders and took a screamer), we were close to matching it.
Our best is a certain chance.
Jones hits the scoreboard and Gibbs hits his straps......
Go Blues
I reckon we are a sneaky chance.
I reckon you are absolutely dreaming. Pie in the sky stuff. You seem to forget how weak our leaders are.
I reckon you are absolutely dreaming. Pie in the sky stuff. You seem to forget how weak our leaders are.
and our forward line
Yes, but forget about our weak leaders and our forward line, apart from that we are a chance arent we.
Yes, but forget about our weak leaders and our forward line, apart from that we are a chance arent we.
O0 O0 C:-)
Yes, but forget about our weak leaders and our forward line, apart from that we are a chance arent we.
Hey yeah!
Seriously, let's not kid ourselves with we're we are at. Our highest paid players are Murphy, Thomas, Gibbs and Kreuzer. Theirs are Fyfe, Mundy. Ballantyne, Pavlich et al. We will play them right back into form with zero pressure being applied, it will be their season renaissance.
Hey yeah!
Seriously, let's not kid ourselves with we're we are at. Our highest paid players are Murphy, Thomas, Gibbs and Kreuzer. Theirs are Fyfe, Mundy. Ballantyne, Pavlich et al. We will play them right back into form with zero pressure being applied, it will be their season renaissance.
If it isn't, then Freo are royally Screwed. Last year we were good at playing teams back into form; firstly as we played without hope, late in the season because we had not enough fit players to reasonably compete. With the massive changes to the list and the relative inexperience of our side, Freo should POUND us. If they can't, then their 'era' is over and no flag to show for it. That sounds like a good reason for us to cause a 'shock'.
besides, in most of our games this year one bad quarter has been our downfall. If we can eliminate that for a week, then we could surprise a number of sides that disrespect us. I'm not expecting miracles, but there are a lot of inflated egos out there I would like to see deflated.
Freo still have too many guns for us I think.
This is still the team that finished top last year.
We will not beat accountable teams like Freo with our unaccountable senior players. EOS.
Yes, but forget about our weak leaders and our forward line, apart from that we are a chance arent we.
... and the whole "playing in Perth" thing.
Freo still have too many guns for us I think.
This is still the team that finished top last year.
Highly probable. But their heads are not saying that at the moment. I hope we can keep it that way. You're right, they should win. But Freo have not shown the same resilience that Hawthorn has this year. Hawthorn should be 1 and 4. Instead they are 4 and 1. Not because they have played all that well, but because they have the BELIEF that gets them over the line.
We lack that sort of self belief terribly and have since the mid '90's. But strange things can happen.
Going to be warm tomorrow in Perth 27 at bounce down
But strange things can happen.
Not that strange no I disagree.
Going to be warm tomorrow in Perth 27 at bounce down
Bloody warm today.
The preview of the game on the Freo website is quite different to some of the discussion we've had:
The clash pits the league’s second most experienced side against the competition's third least, with Freo holding an advantage of 22 games per player over the Blues.
Freo’s disposal efficiency of 71 percent is below what they’d be aiming for and, when compared with Carlton’s 75 per cent.
The upside to these numbers is that Fremantle is just under the league average of 74 percent.
Despite fielding a very raw forward line, the Blues are averaging 11 marks inside 50 so far in 2016 – only one behind the league average of 12.
Levi Casboult is averaging two-and-a-half marks inside 50 – equal with the likes of Nick Riewoldt, Kurt Tippett and Drew Petrie – and presents a real challenge for Freo’s defence.
Zac Dawson has started the year well, averaging 10 spoils and smothers each time he’s taken the field, and will link up with Michael Johnson and Alex Pearce to subdue the Blues attacking forays.
Jon Griffin and Zac Clarke will be battling against the Carlton ruck pair Matthew Kreuzer and Andrew Phillips, who have been averaging 40 hitouts between them in the first four rounds.
Their tandem rucking has helped the clearance work of Patrick Cripps, with the rising midfield star working his way to the top of the clearance and contested possession lists.
The preview of the game on the Freo website is quite different to some of the discussion we've had:
We are last in the league for overall clearances and centre square clearances...Cripps has been doing a mighty job but the rest are bludging....
11 marks inside 50..there are marks and there are marks..no use averaging well if they are 10m chip kicks sideways, backwards and towards the boundary etc etc...
Levi can take a mark(sick of talking/ hearing about his kicking) but what about the rest of the forwards.....?
We are last in the league for overall clearances and centre square clearances.
WE are last, but Cripps is 1st in the league.
Any danger some of our senior blokes can pull their finger out at all? I know we lost one of the best to ever play the game in Judd, and Carrazzo is a B+F winner who also leaves a hole, but Murphy is a former AFL MVP winner and Gibbs has more than enough talent to make a difference if we could get the application out of him.
Time for the senior blokes to step up!
Apparently there are lots of elite small forwards in this years draft, we are missing one of those. Probably need lots of picks inside top 20 again and fill up the list with two-way hard running smalls
WE are last, but Cripps is 1st in the league.
Any danger some of our senior blokes can pull their finger out at all? I know we lost one of the best to ever play the game in Judd, and Carrazzo is a B+F winner who also leaves a hole, but Murphy is a former AFL MVP winner and Gibbs has more than enough talent to make a difference if we could get the application out of him.
Time for the senior blokes to step up!
In a nutshell. That is a disgraceful stat for Furphy and Jibbs. I would say Nick Graham has a few clearances as well.
Time for the senior blokes to step up!
Our senior blokes are having a 'delayed' start to the season. :(
In a nutshell. That is a disgraceful stat for Furphy and Jibbs. I would say Nick Graham has a few clearances as well.
I'll give you a few other stats that are also pretty disgraceful.
Stats are per game (avg)
Carlton is last in the league for tackles.
Cripps is =4th in the league for tackles
Carlton is 2nd last in the league for contested possessions.
Cripps is =4th in the league for contested possessions
We are 4th in league for hitouts
We are 4th in the league for disposal efficiency
We are 8th best in Uncontested possessions
We are 8th in the league for bounces
We are 4th last in 1%ers
We are 2nd last in the league for Contested possessions
We are 2nd last in the league for Goals
We are 2nd last in the league for Goal assists
We are 2nd last in the league for Goal accuracy
Summary, we get the ball out of the ruck, but cannot get the ball out of the centre.
If we don't have the ball, or the ball is in dispute, we can't get it back
Once we have the ball, we can find a teammate in open space relatively well to run and carry.
We cannot get the ball inside 50, but when we do we go to Casboult who is =11th in the league for contested marks, and =14th in the league for marks inside 50.
Unfortunately, he is =124th in the league for goals per game.
and =277th for goal accuracy!
So in short, we are soft and we have a spud for a FF.
In a nutshell. That is a disgraceful stat for Furphy and Jibbs. I would say Nick Graham has a few clearances as well.
You would be saying wrong if you did. Graham is averaging 1.2 clearances and Gibbs is on 2.2. Ed Curnow is our second ranked player with 3.2.
I made mention of this in the first two rounds.....the amount of time that Jibbs and Furphy get their hands on the ball in the centre bounces but the opposition come away with it because they fumble or in Furphy's case just drop the ball and throw themselves on the ground looking for the free rather than cop the tackle and dish it off. Just disgraceful. I repeat, we cannot progress with these two out there running the show. The remoras will look to latch on to Cripps back for a free ride, it's what they've done their whole careers bar one season each.
You would be saying wrong if you did. Graham is averaging 1.2 clearances and Gibbs is on 2.2. Ed Curnow is our second ranked player with 3.2.
Okay so replace Graham with Curnow, still reads the same, pathetic from our two faux leaders. They are looking to sit back whilst others do the grunt work, as those stats would suggest.
I'll give you a few other stats that are also pretty disgraceful.
Stats are per game (avg)
Carlton is last in the league for tackles.
Cripps is =4th in the league for tackles
Carlton is 2nd last in the league for contested possessions.
Cripps is =4th in the league for contested possessions
We are 4th in league for hitouts
We are 4th in the league for disposal efficiency
We are 8th best in Uncontested possessions
We are 8th in the league for bounces
We are 4th last in 1%ers
We are 2nd last in the league for Contested possessions
We are 2nd last in the league for Goals
We are 2nd last in the league for Goal assists
We are 2nd last in the league for Goal accuracy
Summary, we get the ball out of the ruck, but cannot get the ball out of the centre.
If we don't have the ball, or the ball is in dispute, we can't get it back
Once we have the ball, we can find a teammate in open space relatively well to run and carry.
We cannot get the ball inside 50, but when we do we go to Casboult who is =11th in the league for contested marks, and =14th in the league for marks inside 50.
Unfortunately, he is =124th in the league for goals per game.
and =277th for goal accuracy!
So in short, we are soft and we have a spud for a FF.
Yeah our leaders need to show the way with tackling. Didn't Ratten have a tackling coach? We need one.
Hey I am in China for this one, any thoughts on best way to check out the game? No sports bars etc in this part...?
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
I've been saying this for a while. It's simply not possible for coaches and others at the club to not notice the things that are discussed on here. They are either playing to instruction, or else they have some serious dirt on various club power brokers. It's simply not possible for them to hoodwink everyone, season after season after season.
I've been saying this for a while. It's simply not possible for coaches and others at the club to not notice the things that are discussed on here. They are either playing to instruction, or else they have some serious dirt on various club power brokers. It's simply not possible for them to hoodwink everyone, season after season after season.
Well maybe Bolton is doing the smart thing and refraining from publicly criticising his senior players until season's end when he can trade them. We have no idea what is said behind closed doors now that Mick isn't in charge. :P
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
Murphy
2016 - 1.2
2015 - 4.3
Gibbs
2016 - 2.2
2015 - 4.9
Cripps
2016 - 8.8
2015 - 6.6
Graham
2016 - 1.2
2015 - 3.2
Curnow
2016 - 3.2
2015 - 2.6
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?
Cheers.
Hey I am in China for this one, any thoughts on best way to check out the game? No sports bars etc in this part...?
Probably your best bet is on the 'net.
AFL.com.au send through stats and stuff. It is a frustrating way to deal with the game, but better than nothing.
There are other options on the 'net, some of which supply live vision. I can't remember their names: they are memory hogs (no surprise) and we run out of memory if I use them. :-[
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?
Cheers.
Don't know. Maybe it's not relevant, but Judd and Murph were comparable for clearances in 2011 and 2012 :
2011 : Judd 6.63, Murph 5.38. Both played 24 games.
2012 : Judd 5.76, Murph 5.56. Murph played 16 games, Judd 17.
Murph has definitely gone into his shell. Injuries etc. have definitely taken their toll.
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?
Cheers.
That's the debate isn't it.
Personally i've been saying its the players fault for a while now (hence where the 'sticking up for mick' came from)
Some people think its easier to change coach, after coach, after coach despite the same players remaining with the same lack of effort/consistency.
IMO it goes back to culture again.
1. Pagan, although hamstrung financially, didn't reign players in enough (read fevola as #1) and allowed things to get out of hand.
2. Too far out of hand for a rookie coach to turnaround, even if he was a favourite son.
3. What we needed was a hard nosed individual who knew how to setup a club. Unfortunately players and powerbrokers didn't give him the support/dedication he required and we were doomed.
4. We tried everyones mate in Barker briefly, but once the honeymoon period wore off, same old crape.
5. So we get the best new thing going around to do a proper rebuild. Came from the best team going around who has had sustained success. Got off to a good start in the off-season with delistings/recruiting and seems to have the new blokes on board, be that draftees or trades in. However, we are still falling short with the senior blokes.
The one constant throughout ALL of that is the (now) senior blokes. Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Kreuzer...
How many coaches do we have to kill before we realise its not a coach thing?!
Of everyone above, Bolton has the best chance to succeed. The majority of the 'old blokes' are gone and a fair chunk of the 'riff raff' have been sent packing. We have the bench bunch of kids from this years draft and a superstar in Cripps to build around. If we cannot get back from here, you simply have to send blokes like Murphy/Gibbs packing for more draft kids who Bolton can start afresh with.
Don't know. Maybe it's not relevant, but Judd and Murph were comparable for clearances in 2011 and 2012 :
2011 : Judd 6.63, Murph 5.38. Both played 24 games.
2012 : Judd 5.76, Murph 5.56. Murph played 16 games, Judd 17.
Murph has definitely gone into his shell. Injuries etc. have definitely taken their toll.
No heart. If that's the case, please retire and free up some cap space for someone that doesn't carry around a shell.
@kruddler
Mick gutted the list mate, and as it turns out, if what you say is correct, he ditched the wrong players!
There was nothing wrong with Ratten, he achieved many things, you just need to go back to your Ratten's objectives thread. ;)
@kruddler
Mick gutted the list mate, and as it turns out, if what you say is correct, he ditched the wrong players!
There was nothing wrong with Ratten, he achieved many things, you just need to go back to your Ratten's objectives thread. ;)
He gutted it because it needed to be gutted. Too many passengers. Too many individuals.
Same thing that Bolton did.
If Mick had've ditched Henderson, Yarran, Bell, Menzel the pitchforks would be out in force! Because Bolton has done it....he gets the ok.
If Mick was allowed the freedom than maybe we wouldn't be where we are now.
What would you prefer to hear? The problem at the moment is Bolton??
He gutted it because it needed to be gutted. Too many passengers. Too many individuals.
Same thing that Bolton did.
If Mick had've ditched Henderson, Yarran, Bell, Menzel the pitchforks would be out in force! Because Bolton has done it....he gets the ok.
If Mick was allowed the freedom than maybe we wouldn't be where we are now.
What would you prefer to hear? The problem at the moment is Bolton??
C'mon Kruddler, Malthouse was allowed all sorts of freedom, Daisy, Jones, Tutt, Everitt who he even flew to see.
As for the others Henderson wanted to go, Bell wanted to go, Yarran wanted to go and Menzel wasn't a hard worker, something MM must have tolerared as he got a game weekly. Don't re write history to support your arguement
Mick clearly got rid of the the wrong players because the problem is worse than ever! And not to mention all those players wanting to go.
Anyway, this thread is about to turn into possibly the 3 millionth MM thread so let's not go there. ;D
C'mon Kruddler, Malthouse was allowed all sorts of freedom, Daisy, Jones, Tutt, Everitt who he even flew to see.
As for the others Henderson wanted to go, Bell wanted to go, Yarran wanted to go and Menzel wasn't a hard worker, something MM must have tolerared as he got a game weekly. Don't re write history to support your arguement
Why did they want to go?
No, not because they didn't like Mick. They left after Mick was gone! Don't rewrite history to support yours.
They left because we were on their back about 'putting in' and they couldn't handle it. We thought it was in the clubs best interests to move on players who were not committed. Good riddance.
White puts in, was kept.
Ditto Army.
There is a very clear pattern of the players we kept and what they offer.
There is a very clear pattern of the players we let go and what they offer.
All the players who have been moved onto other clubs gave the club a reason to do so. This goes back further than Mick to include Fev.
Take a step back, look at the big picture and notice the patterns than span across multiple coaches. Its as clear as day.
EDIT:
Forgot to add this....What do you think would have happened if Mick went to the board and said he wanted to trade away Gibbs? Murphy??
What do think would happen now if Bolton asked the same thing?
All evidence of the continued changing of the guard in terms of the club's playing list with the newer younger players coming in to replace the older guys. We'll be seeing even more evidence of it as BB gets more into his stride IMO. He knows he has to establish a completely new regime and that's a lot more difficult if too many of the old guard remain.
I get your drift, but it's soul searching.
Probably your best bet is on the 'net.
AFL.com.au send through stats and stuff. It is a frustrating way to deal with the game, but better than nothing.
There are other options on the 'net, some of which supply live vision. I can't remember their names: they are memory hogs (no surprise) and we run out of memory if I use them. :-[
Cheers Crash, might be the only here , was hoping to watch it, can't find any other seas sports channels streaming it . AFL it is
Enough Now
This is the Round 5 thread. Hopefully we can put up a good show and maybe sneak a win. I think that would be best for all to get a win even though most accept where we are at.
Let's get behind Bolton and the Blues and move may other "Mick" talk to the Mick Threads.
Fear a big loss coming.
They improved last week and while losing still pushed north who are undefeated and now back on their home patch they will smell an easy kill against us and must get some points.
If they play close to their capibilites with be a big win for them.
Would need a blinder for all senior guys to avoid a smacking.
Trying to be optimistic but just can't see it being even close this week.
Hope I'm Wrong.
That's the way I see it as well. Will take a miracle for us not to get pumped. They are a tough, hard tackling accountable side. Everything we are not.
yep 10 goals minimum
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.
Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
Bolton made a comment about the players having to learn not to rely on Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer. I wouldn't put it past him to have changed their roles in order to challenge other players, particularly as it is a long term process for Bolton and wins and losses are not all that important this season - although there's no doubt he'll take a win if it's on offer.
It's clear that Kreuzer's role has changed and I'll be watching the other two more closely today.
As discussed in an earlier thread, there's a lot of absorbing footy being played by the Bluebaggers even if it's not getting us the four points.
Bolton made a comment about the players having to learn not to rely on Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer. I wouldn't put it past him to have changed their roles in order to challenge other players, particularly as it is a long term process for Bolton and wins and losses are not all that important this season - although there's no doubt he'll take a win if it's on offer.
It's clear that Kreuzer's role has changed and I'll be watching the other two more closely today.
As discussed in an earlier thread, there's a lot of absorbing footy being played by the Bluebaggers even if it's not getting us the four points.
Fair enough, but is it worth putting so much on poor Crippa's shoulders so early in his career?
Bolton made a comment about the players having to learn not to rely on Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer. I wouldn't put it past him to have changed their roles in order to challenge other players, particularly as it is a long term process for Bolton and wins and losses are not all that important this season - although there's no doubt he'll take a win if it's on offer.
It's clear that Kreuzer's role has changed and I'll be watching the other two more closely today.
As discussed in an earlier thread, there's a lot of absorbing footy being played by the Bluebaggers even if it's not getting us the four points.
Good post DJC.
Fair enough, but is it worth putting so much on poor Crippa's shoulders so early in his career?
If what DJC posts is right (I'm sure it is), I'm guessing that the pendulum has swung too much - it's good to give Cripps some more responsibility, but I think he's been given too much and needs help. I can imagine getting the balance right is not easy to do.
This is a pre-game thread, not a coach bashing thread. Any more derailing commentary will continue to be deleted. Personal agendas are not welcome.
You can question my thoughts on Mick
You can question my thoughts on players
But I am at the worst ground in Australia, hoping to see the green sprouts. I have seen us get belted by 120 points and heartache losing by 3 in a semi here.
You cannot question my support for this club and we should all be in this together!
Go blues!
You can question my thoughts on Mick
You can question my thoughts on players
But I am at the worst ground in Australia, hoping to see the green sprouts. I have seen us get belted by 120 points and heartache losing by 3 in a semi here.
You cannot question my support for this club and we should all be in this together!
Go blues!
Have a great day Shadesy!
I'm looking forward to reading about your observations of our green sprouts.