Poll
Question:
Pick your best 22 players (22 votes allowed!)
Option 1: 1 - Walker
votes: 22
Option 2: 2 - Menzel
votes: 18
Option 3: 3 - Murphy
votes: 23
Option 4: 4 - Gibbs
votes: 23
Option 5: 5 - Judd
votes: 5
Option 6: 6 - Simpson
votes: 22
Option 7: 7 - Buckley
votes: 23
Option 8: 8 - Kreuzer
votes: 23
Option 9: 9 - Cripps
votes: 23
Option 10: 10 - Watson
votes: 0
Option 11: 11 - Warnock
votes: 0
Option 12: 12 - Boekhorst
votes: 16
Option 13: 13 - Yarran
votes: 6
Option 14: 14 - Jones
votes: 0
Option 15: 15 - Docherty
votes: 22
Option 16: 16 - Viojo-Rainbow
votes: 0
Option 17: 17 - Rowe
votes: 15
Option 18: 18 - Jaksch
votes: 15
Option 19: 19 - Giles
votes: 0
Option 20: 20 - Holman
votes: 7
Option 21: 21 - Sheehan
votes: 4
Option 22: 22 - Tutt
votes: 1
Option 23: 23 - Henderson
votes: 3
Option 24: 24 - Whiley
votes: 3
Option 25: 25 - Smith
votes: 0
Option 26: 26 - Foster
votes: 0
Option 27: 27 - Armfield
votes: 19
Option 28: 28 - Bell
votes: 16
Option 29: 29 - Gowers
votes: 0
Option 30: 30 - Johnson
votes: 0
Option 31: 31 - Dick
votes: 1
Option 32: 32 - Graham
votes: 20
Option 33: 33 - Everitt
votes: 22
Option 34: 34 - Walsh
votes: 1
Option 35: 35 - Curnow
votes: 23
Option 36: 36 - Wood
votes: 12
Option 37: 37 - Fields
votes: 0
Option 38: 38 - Byrne
votes: 7
Option 39: 39 - Thomas
votes: 19
Option 40: 40 - Jamison
votes: 22
Option 41: 41 - Casboult
votes: 23
Option 42: 42 - Tuohy
votes: 23
Option 43: 43 - White
votes: 14
Option 44: 44 - Carrazzo
votes: 6
Option 45: 46 - Ellard
votes: 0
Option 46: 47 - Russell
votes: 0
So there are quite a few Best 22 teams or R1 team type threads and everyone has there go and thats all well and good. However its very hard to get an accurate picture from the fanbase as a whole of which players are in those teams and which players are not.
If people use this poll and pick their best 22 players, it will give instant feedback into what this site thinks and who is worthy and who is not.
Post your sides if you want, but its more about the votes.
Please use ALL 22 votes from the selections above.
I've merged the Round One/Best 22 threads.
They'd grown to be pretty similar with folks posting their best 22 sides in both.
We may need to keep bumping this thread Kruds if folk use it to just vote and don't post otherwise it will slip down the scroll bar
Oops.
I actually had it at '18 votes' and can't change it. I've edited the thread to show that, but ideally i'd like it back at 22.
Lods, maybe you can change the votes allowed to 22?
If not, we'll just keep as is. I can't be bothered typing all that out again.
I've reset it to the 22 figure.... we'll see how we go
Last spot was hardest to pick for me so I went with the Bokemeister because he simply needs to be in our best 22 by year's end.
Found things got pretty thin after about 14. I don't know if my side was balanced though, I just went with who I thought were our better players rather than picking if we had enough talls, enough runners, etc
Cheers Lods. :D
I've got a balanced side....but the spots in the midfield could be swapped with about 4 others without too much dramas.
That was really difficult. Like IOT, I struggled once I got to 14 or 15 and I suspect my 22 isn't a balanced squad.
Hopefully some of the newbies will step up to provide balance and depth.
I chose from a best team 22 perspective, the 1st 15 were easy. I then had a vacant forward pocket to fill along with a back pocket spot and a HBF position to fill along with the I/C.
When did Hoops retire? well back then I used to find it hard to fit him, Scotland and Carrazzo into a best 22, and all 3 kept proving me wrong !! Well I still can't find room for Carrazzo, so here's hoping he proves me wrong for yet another season !!
Already 31 different players have been nominated and only 9 people have voted !!
Imagine if we were the match committee !! >:D
Two votes for Matthew Watson?.....I know this Nigerian bank that needs two new directors, if those posters could contact me I might have a deal for you...
Last spot was hardest to pick for me so I went with the Bokemeister because he simply needs to be in our best 22 by year's end.
Same here. I also found that I went and changed 4 other picks 4 times before I just gave up. This kid better be worth it as there is some hype over his capability.
Two couldn't fit Simmo into the side. Jammie being one :P , the other probably also has a Nigerian directorship in their future :P
EDIT: my bad, simmo has got votes from everyone... that's what happens when you look at this site with a phone.
Two votes for Matthew Watson?.....I know this Nigerian bank that needs two new directors, if those posters could contact me I might have a deal for you...
I voted for Watson on the basis of his last game. On that form he has to be in our best 22 . . . or is the idea that you vote for players who you hope just might dramatically improve and become AFL players overnight ;)
If Touhy has another shocker at the start of the year, he goes out and Sheehan comes in for mine. Happy to try Jone first up but Watto comes straight in if he fails early. Hard to pick the side which is good, we are starting to get some depth or at the very least, aggressive competition for spots.
Two votes for Matthew Watson?.....I know this Nigerian bank that needs two new directors, if those posters could contact me I might have a deal for you...
I voted for Watson on the basis of his last game. On that form he has to be in our best 22 . . . or is the idea that you vote for players who you hope just might dramatically improve and become AFL players overnight ;)
For me its a bit like selecting Jason Gillespie to open the batting after he made a double century in his last test match vs Bangladesh...I need more than one innings from our Watto to convince me he is the real deal.
The game he played before that was one of the worst games I have seen an AFL footballer play...
I hope you are right and he makes the grade but me and those Nigerian bankers will be waiting for you at the end of season.... ;)
I went with Jaksch...so feel free to give me a slap at seasons end if he doesnt make it....
I only voted for 22 players from those who were on the list last year as I've no idea what the new guys are really like and how they compare. I'm hoping though that a LOT of them would be on my list after the 2015 season and it would be good to rerun this poll at that point.
PS. I didn't attempt to pick a balanced side - just the best 22 players IMO. Would be an interesting exercise to pick a side from the eventual best 22 polled?
Two votes for Matthew Watson?.....I know this Nigerian bank that needs two new directors, if those posters could contact me I might have a deal for you...
I voted for Watson on the basis of his last game. On that form he has to be in our best 22 . . . or is the idea that you vote for players who you hope just might dramatically improve and become AFL players overnight ;)
For me its a bit like selecting Jason Gillespie to open the batting after he made a double century in his last test match vs Bangladesh...I need more than one innings from our Watto to convince me he is the real deal.
The game he played before that was one of the worst games I have seen an AFL footballer play...
I hope you are right and he makes the grade but me and those Nigerian bankers will be waiting for you at the end of season.... ;)
I went with Jaksch...so feel free to give me a slap at seasons end if he doesnt make it....
The game where he shanked a shot at goal from 20 metres and almost directly in front? It wasn't pretty!
Being impressed over one decent performance is no worse than getting excited about how a bloke looks during January training :P
While I'm quite skeptical about the impact that Jaksch, Jones, Whiley, Tutt, et al will have, I'm hoping like all get out that the optimists are on the money EB :)
Two votes for Matthew Watson?.....I know this Nigerian bank that needs two new directors, if those posters could contact me I might have a deal for you...
I voted for Watson on the basis of his last game. On that form he has to be in our best 22 . . . or is the idea that you vote for players who you hope just might dramatically improve and become AFL players overnight ;)
For me its a bit like selecting Jason Gillespie to open the batting after he made a double century in his last test match vs Bangladesh...I need more than one innings from our Watto to convince me he is the real deal.
The game he played before that was one of the worst games I have seen an AFL footballer play...
I hope you are right and he makes the grade but me and those Nigerian bankers will be waiting for you at the end of season.... ;)
I went with Jaksch...so feel free to give me a slap at seasons end if he doesnt make it....
I actually didn't vote for him because I voted before we fixed it back up to 22 so I only had 18 choices.
...but he would have been in my next 4 selections...... so by rights he should have 3 votes.
Like cookie says....
I don't know the abilities of a lot of these new recruits other than what I've seen on highlight reels.
Those that played for other sides have made little impression on me in their careers.
I cant judge where players like Jones, Jaksch, Whiley, Dick, Tutt or any other of our draftees sit in comparison to our other players.
We won't know that until they line up as part of the side.
Until then they're 'paper' players.
Picking one of them in our best 22 strikes me as being as illogical as some of us picking Watson may seem to others.
I doubt whether more than a couple will be making there debuts Round 1 2015....in fact it would strike me as pretty silly going in with too many who haven't played as part of the team.
Interesting so far....no votes for Warnock and Armfield
Thought Sheehan might have scored a few more...thought he slotted into the side quite nicely
Interesting so far....no votes for Warnock and Armfield
Thought Sheehan might have scored a few more...thought he slotted into the side quite nicely
Agree re Sheehan, are he and Touhy fighting for the same spot now (i.e. BP or HBF)?
Interesting for me is the very strong consistency of the best 22 among posters, despite so many of the list playing zero games in navy blue.
Will be watching the pre-season games more closely than usual :-)
Like many posters, this is not an easy task in January. I have picked just the best players, and after the first 12 to 14 it gets a bit sketchy. A fit Kruezer makes leaving Warnock out an easy choice as he just offers so little around the ground. It surprised me but I couldn't fit Simpson in after selecting Buckley. Bit iffy on some of the new blokes, as without having seen them play find it hard to slot them in.
LOL someone has left Simpson and Thomas out. God forbid one of those two isn't in our top 22!
LOL someone has left Simpson and Thomas out. God forbid one of those two isn't in our top 22!
7 people left out Carrazzo.
LOL someone has left Simpson and Thomas out. God forbid one of those two isn't in our top 22!
7 people left out Carrazzo.
Yeah but that's stock standard, there's people that have wanted Carrazzo gone for the last decade......they never let go.
I was the only one who picked Ellard and one of only two who picked Sheahan.
I was the only one who picked Ellard and one of only two who picked Sheahan.
You're a good judge of a footballer MBB - in the case of Sheehan anyway :)
Sheehan has demonstrated that he can play at AFL level and, in my book, that puts him well ahead of the newbies. I'd have Ellard as 23 or 24.
I can't see how you can leave Carrazzo out.
If he's fit he's an automatic selection.
I can't see how you can leave Carrazzo out.
If he's fit he's an automatic selection.
Obviously the best 22 will change by the end of the year, and probably a lot throughout...even weekly!
I think Carrazzo certainly starts the season in the best 22.
Due to age and recent (and future?) injuries i'm not sure if he'll still demand best 22 selection by the end of it.
I don't think Carrazzo's 2014 was anywhere near his best season, but same could be said for half the list. If that decline continues he is in trouble.
I think it's hilarious that Malthouse cops so much stick on here and yet the 3 guys traded in last year are considered by most to be in our best 22...reckon he might just have a bit of an idea about what type of player our list needed/needs :))
I think it's hilarious that Malthouse cops so much stick on here and yet the 3 guys traded in last year are considered by most to be in our best 22...reckon he might just have a bit of an idea about what type of player our list needed/needs :))
Bite your tongue, you really are Crazy ;)
I think it's hilarious that Malthouse cops so much stick on here and yet the 3 guys traded in last year are considered by most to be in our best 22...reckon he might just have a bit of an idea about what type of player our list needed/needs :))
It's desperation Crazy Joe. This time last year, the debate was about whether we should expect draftees to make the 22 in their first season. Now we have supporters nominating draftees and players who couldn't crack it for a game with Footscray and GWS in our best 22. ::)
This is a good exercise because what it shows me is that we have very very little depth. Towards the end it should be hard for us to choose between players to put in the 22 not on process of elimination of who's less sh*t than the other. I really hope one or two of these young boys Rainbow, Beokhorst, Cripps, Graham makes a massive impact and cements their place in the team because my god we need the depth!
This is a good exercise because what it shows me is that we have very very little depth. Towards the end it should be hard for us to choose between players to put in the 22 not on process of elimination of who's less sh*t than the other. I really hope one or two of these young boys Rainbow, Beokhorst, Cripps, Graham makes a massive impact and cements their place in the team because my god we need the depth!
Sadly, very true!
Can I add Jaksch, Watson and Jones to your list of blokes that we hope make an impact?
We only have 23 players with 20 votes or more. ???
There's your best 22 (+1)....but how does a side made up of those players look for balance.
On the other hand it appears a lot of folk have only voted for established players and adopted a wait and see approach to the newcomers.... so that may be the depth right there.
but how does a side made up of those players look for balance.
I'll be your huckleberry....
(these were the votes as it stands)
Walker 40
Menzel 40
Murphy 40
Gibbs 40
Judd 40
Yarran 40
Rowe 40
Henderson40
Jamison 40
Casboult 40
Kreuzer 39
Thomas 39
Simpson 37
Everitt 37
Buckley 34
Docherty 34
Tuohy 34
Carrazzo 29
Curnow 28
Bell 24
Cripps 23
Jones23 23
| B | Buckley | Jamison | Docherty |
| HB | Yarran | Rowe | Simpson |
| C | Everitt | Judd | Thomas |
| HF | Jones | Henderson | Walker |
| F | Menzel | Casboult | Carrazzo |
| R | Kruezer | Murphy | Gibbs |
| I | Cripps | Bell | Tuohy | Curnow |
Not awful. You'd probably like another tall inplace of one of the smaller players (Jaksch was next cab off the rank, so the sub).
No Gibbs???????
No Gibbs???????
Haha deleted him when I was fiddling players around and forgot to put him back. I was scratching my head over the interchange when posting as well! Fixed now.
No Gibbs???????
Haha deleted him when I was fiddling players around and forgot to put him back. I was scratching my head over the interchange when posting as well! Fixed now.
That's why I didn't do it myself ;D
I knew I'd double up or leave someone out
@ IOT
I have a feeling Bell won't be on our best 22.
@ IOT
I have a feeling Bell won't be on our best 22.
Doesn't excite me like when he burst on the scene but the mob has spoken ;)
| B | Buckley | Jamison | Docherty |
| HB | Yarran | Rowe | Simpson |
| C | Everitt | Judd | Thomas |
| HF | Jones | Henderson | Walker |
| F | Menzel | Casboult | Carrazzo |
| R | Kruezer | Murphy | Gibbs |
| I | Cripps | Bell | Tuohy | Curnow |
I said i picked a balanced team and that is almost exactly how i positioned my choices. However, i didn't have Tuohy in my side, instead he was replaced by White....there is your other tall.
Not a round 1 squad. I'm talking round 15 for arguments sake.
B Docherty Jamison Buckley
HB Everitt Rowe Yarrran
C Thomas Murphy Cripps
HF Gibbs Henderson Rainbow
F Menzel Casboult Smith
Foll Kreuzer Judd Bell
IC Boekhorst, Jaksch, Walker, Whiley
EMG Simpson, Wood, Curnow, Johnson.
Not a round 1 squad. I'm talking round 15 for arguments sake.
B Docherty Jamison Buckley
HB Everitt Rowe Yarrran
C Thomas Murphy Cripps
HF Gibbs Henderson Rainbow
F Menzel Casboult Smith
Foll Kreuzer Judd Bell
IC Boekhorst, Jaksch, Walker, Whiley
EMG Simpson, Wood, Curnow, Johnson.
Simpson is THE heart and soul of that club.
Not a round 1 squad. I'm talking round 15 for arguments sake.
B Docherty Jamison Buckley
HB Everitt Rowe Yarrran
C Thomas Murphy Cripps
HF Gibbs Henderson Rainbow
F Menzel Casboult Smith
Foll Kreuzer Judd Bell
IC Boekhorst, Jaksch, Walker, Whiley
EMG Simpson, Wood, Curnow, Johnson.
R15....what year?
I think you are asking a bit much to suggest that 3 out of the 4 players we drafted via the national draft will displace someone like Simpson from the side. As well as Carrazzo.
Each to their own, but i think you need to check your expectations a bit.
Of the newbies I would tip Jones as the most likely to get a senior game R1. There is a direct vacancy for him left by Waite. Boekhorst probably next in line to provide some more run.
I see only seven people have Graham in. He's one guy that I really hope cements a spot this year. Has that touch of class about him, he's a footballer not an athlete.
Of the newbies I would tip Jones as the most likely to get a senior game R1. There is a direct vacancy for him left by Waite. Boekhorst probably next in line to provide some more run.
I have Boekhorst as a cert to play round 1...plenty of negative criticism from the footy media on us taking Boekhorst so early and I almost feel
the club will feel obliged to play him to prove the detractors wrong.
You pick mature age players to play straight away and the club will look a tad foolish if BB is playing ressies footy IMO and I think he will be given every opportunity to prove the club right
about taking him early.
I agree that Jones will also play..in reality you cant send out the same tried failed combinations from last season if you hope to improve....
Jaksch is also 50/50 to play IMO.......if he is fully fit and firing in the NAB cup I think he might be a chance but given his injury issues the club might be conservative and ease him into the team
You pick mature age players to play straight away and the club
THat's a very good point, expect to see a different line up from last year come round 1.
I see only seven people have Graham in. He's one guy that I really hope cements a spot this year. Has that touch of class about him, he's a footballer not an athlete.
Agree - liked the look of him by the end of last season.
Who were the 3 people that don't have Kade Simpson in the best 22? ???
I see only seven people have Graham in. He's one guy that I really hope cements a spot this year. Has that touch of class about him, he's a footballer not an athlete.
Too slow and lazy for me. They compare him to Stevens, he isnt Stevos nutsack as far as Im concerned.
^^
Reminds me of Robbie Gray not Stevens. Stevens was very much a run and deliver player, he had more speed but Graham will win you more contested ball.
^^
Reminds me of Robbie Gray not Stevens. Stevens was very much a run and deliver player, he had more speed but Graham will win you more contested ball.
Fair enough, havent seen anything special from him in the ones or the twos, alot of hype but not much else. Like always, will be happy to be proven wrong about him. Personally I reckon I'm safe in my opinion of him.
^^
Reminds me of Robbie Gray not Stevens. Stevens was very much a run and deliver player, he had more speed but Graham will win you more contested ball.
Fair enough, havent seen anything special from him in the ones or the twos, alot of hype but not much else. Like always, will be happy to be proven wrong about him. Personally I reckon I'm safe in my opinion of him.
Considering he was made sub by Mick the Prick in 90% of the games he played in I'm not surprised. Needs to be given a fair crack at it, he's certainly earned it in the twos. That is if being in the best players most weeks is earning a crack.
We didn't get Dick from Sydney to not playround one. I actually went with the usual suspects with Jones and Dick being the only changes.
Considering he was made sub by Mick the Prick
Don't you like him? ??? :))
Interesting to see how integral Cas is from the supporter's view.
'Mick the Prick', 'Dick from Sydney', What the Flick?
It's all getting a bit icky :P
FWIW my current best 22.
B Docherty Jamison Simpson
HB Everitt Rowe Tuohy
C Carrazzo Murphy Judd
HF Yarran Casboult Thomas
F Menzel Jones Walker
Foll Kreuzer Judd Gibbs
IC Curnow, Dick, Buckley , White
No Henderson Thry?
Apart from that, it is quite a well balanced and strong 22.
We didn't get Dick from Sydney to not playround one. I actually went with the usual suspects with Jones and Dick being the only changes.
Can't accept that logic.
Going by that logic, every player we got in should play. Jakchs, Wiley, Tutt, Jones and Dick...and why not Boekhorst, Smith and co as well.
Following on from that, that means a lot of the players who were playing are not going to get a gig in starting 22.
So....
Why keep players who are not best 22 on our list?
The answer to that question is also the real answer to your question. We got Dick, and kept the players we did, because we need depth. Injuries will occur and players will improve and go through rough patches. I suspect Dick might play the odd game, but its too simplistic to suggest we got him so he's an automatic selection for R1.
Who does Dick replace in the 2014 side?
Sheehan?
^^
Reminds me of Robbie Gray not Stevens. Stevens was very much a run and deliver player, he had more speed but Graham will win you more contested ball.
Fair enough, havent seen anything special from him in the ones or the twos, alot of hype but not much else. Like always, will be happy to be proven wrong about him. Personally I reckon I'm safe in my opinion of him.
Considering he was made sub by Mick the Prick in 90% of the games he played in I'm not surprised. Needs to be given a fair crack at it, he's certainly earned it in the twos. That is if being in the best players most weeks is earning a crack.
If he was good enough or ready, he would have started, he wasn't so he didn't, simple as that. I don't buy the Mick The Prick stuff. I accept that you don't like or rate him for various reasons, thats fine. What I won't accept is the notion that an AFL coach would play a bloke as sub just to be a kent! Sorry mate lets just agree to disagree and Graham.
No Henderson Thry?
Apart from that, it is quite a well balanced and strong 22.
I have Hendo voted but I think I did something wrong... I meant to put him in the backline. I'll modify it.
No Henderson Thry?
Apart from that, it is quite a well balanced and strong 22.
I have Hendo voted but I think I did something wrong... I meant to put him in the backline. I'll modify it.
Tell the truth. You don't like the guy and left him out of your list deliberately. Your only back peddling now to cover your tracks. ;D
^^
Reminds me of Robbie Gray not Stevens. Stevens was very much a run and deliver player, he had more speed but Graham will win you more contested ball.
Fair enough, havent seen anything special from him in the ones or the twos, alot of hype but not much else. Like always, will be happy to be proven wrong about him. Personally I reckon I'm safe in my opinion of him.
Considering he was made sub by Mick the Prick in 90% of the games he played in I'm not surprised. Needs to be given a fair crack at it, he's certainly earned it in the twos. That is if being in the best players most weeks is earning a crack.
If he was good enough or ready, he would have started, he wasn't so he didn't, simple as that. I don't buy the Mick The Prick stuff. I accept that you don't like or rate him for various reasons, thats fine. What I won't accept is the notion that an AFL coach would play a bloke as sub just to be a kent! Sorry mate lets just agree to disagree and Graham.
Okay but just one more thing. If he's not ready then why play him let him develop in the magoos. Just silly player management.
No Henderson Thry?
Apart from that, it is quite a well balanced and strong 22.
I have Hendo voted but I think I did something wrong... I meant to put him in the backline. I'll modify it.
Tell the truth. You don't like the guy and left him out of your list deliberately. Your only back peddling now to cover your tracks. ;D
No chance, love Hendo. Works hard and would be one of my first picked which is why I missed him in the 22. I can't figure out who I put in my 22 who I didn't vote for though.
FWIW my current best 22.
B Docherty Jamison Simpson
HB Everitt Rowe Tuohy
C Carrazzo Murphy Judd
HF Yarran Casboult Thomas
F Menzel Jones Walker
Foll Kreuzer Judd Gibbs
IC Curnow, Dick, Buckley , White
Docherty's is not a BP's sphincter.... though I reckon he can be a player.
Clem Smith for the BP role - any day of the week.
^^
Maybe one day, but I would like to see him play a game at AFL level before we call him our starting 22 back pocket.
Even so, here is my updated team, with Hendo in it (I still cant believe I left him out!).
B Buckley Henderson Simpson
HB Jamison Rowe Tuohy
C Carrazzo Murphy Judd
HF Yarran Casboult Thomas
F Menzel Jones Walker
Foll Kreuzer Judd Gibbs
IC Curnow, Everitt, Docherty , White
@Thry
I know Juddy's pretty darned good Thry but do you really think he can be in two places at the same time?
:))
Third time lucky Thry??
B Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
HB Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
C Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
HF Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
F Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
Fol Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
IC Chris Judd Chris Judd Chris Judd
Chris Judd
Easily our best team.
Seriously though - you'd have to wait until a couple of preseason games are done to see which of the new guys looks like making the most impact. Until then the starting 22 I'd go with:
B Andrew Walker Michael Jamison Kristian Jaksch
HB Chris Yarran Sam Rowe Kade Simpson
C Blaine Boekhorst Bryce Gibbs Dale Thomas
HF Levi Casboult Liam Jones Andrejs Everitt
F Troy Menzel Lachie Henderson Jason Tutt
Fol Matthew Kreuzer Chris Judd Marc Murphy
IC Dylan Buckley Mark Whiley Zach Tuohy
Patrick Cripps
I'm a little concerned about Cripps pace. He, Tutt and Whiley would be the most borderline selections. Unless those type of guys can really come through it could be a long year.
We don't bat that deep really. I don't really rate Bell, Curnow and Graham but if they come good then great.
@Thry
I know Juddy's pretty darned good Thry but do you really think he can be in two places at the same time?
Thanks Cookie, now I know where I stuffed it, I can fix it.
FWIW my current best 22.
B Henderson Jamison Simpson
HB Buckley Rowe Tuohy
C Carrazzo Murphy Judd
HF Yarran Casboult Thomas
F Menzel Jones Walker
Foll Kreuzer Everitt Gibbs
IC Curnow, Dick, Docherty, White
FWIW my current best 22.
B Henderson Jamison Simpson
HB Buckley Rowe Tuohy
C Carrazzo Murphy Judd
HF Yarran Casboult Thomas
F Menzel Jones Walker
Foll Kreuzer Everitt Gibbs
IC Curnow, Dick, Buckley, White
How many Buckley's we got Thry?? Come on...pop Cripps in there...you know you wanna ;)
Cmon thry...how hard is it to pick 22 players in position?
Write the names out and cross them off as you go.....or use excel like i do. ;)
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
Here's a handy little tool and it's even got all the new players included.
Cmon thry...how hard is it to pick 22 players in position?
Write the names out and cross them off as you go.....or use excel like i do. ;)
I find it really difficult :D
"Old timers" disease ::)
I sympathize with Thry ;)
I always double up or leave a star player out.
It's why you'll never see a best 22 team from me :D
(that's a good tool though cookie....I'd still find a way to stuff it up) :))
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
Here's a handy little tool and it's even got all the new players included.
It's a great little tool, I have it bookmarked and use it regularly.
Thanks for the tool Cookie. It works a treat. ;)
(http://i58.tinypic.com/2jg16c2.png)
B Jaksch Jamison Tuohy
HB Docherty Rowe Yarran
C Thomas Gibbs Simpson
HF Murphy Henderson Everitt
F Menzel Casboult Boekhorst
Foll Kreuzer Walker Judd
IC Curnow, Buckley, Wood, Carrazzo
EMERG
Cripps
Jones
White
Armfield
Cmon thry...how hard is it to pick 22 players in position?
Write the names out and cross them off as you go.....or use excel like i do. ;)
I find it really difficult :D
"Old timers" disease ::)
I sympathize with Thry ;)
I always double up or leave a star player out.
It's why you'll never see a best 22 team from me :D
(that's a good tool though cookie....I'd still find a way to stuff it up) :))
The main issue this time I was having was whether or not to start Buckley or Docherty.
Either way now that I finally fixed it, do we like it?
I'll blame rushing this one at work too. I can't do two things are once.
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Really like the look of this side, if we can stay healthy we will give the 8 a real good crack IMO ;D
The thing that worries me about that side is there's only three players who weren't there last year, one is Kreuzer and the other has injury/fitness concerns (Jaksch).
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Really like the look of this side, if we can stay healthy we will give the 8 a real good crack IMO ;D
Really like the forwardline for sure.
The thing that worries me about that side is there's only three players who weren't there last year, one is Kreuzer and the other has injury/fitness concerns (Jaksch).
Despite the optimism about our new players, we really haven't added anyone to the list who would be an automatic selection for us, or any other team. I don't have any of our new players in my best 22 because none of them have done anything to displace established players. Until such time as they do, our improvement has to come from players returning from injury (Kreuzer,and I'll include Thomas) and developing youngsters (Cripps, Graham, Sheehan).
What is missing from the additions to our list is an established, high performing AFL player. Hopefully, Jones and/or Jaksch will fill that gap.
The thing that worries me about that side is there's only three players who weren't there last year, one is Kreuzer and the other has injury/fitness concerns (Jaksch).
Assumption is those listed are all fully fit. If KJ isnt ready/available, move 2E to the HBF and slot Sheehan into the BP. I think we are starting to build some depth and options.
I think we are starting to build some depth and options.
Same thing gets said every preseason. :P
I think we are starting to build some depth and options.
Same thing gets said every preseason. :P
Perhaps. However every year, I look at the players that pick themselves or are automatic selections if they are fit. We have generally had 15 or so players in this category and not much else. I reckon that number is slightly higher now and then there is plenty to pick from to fill the 22 whilst leaving out others that could easlity fill a role. Now I am not saying the "plenty to pick from" are world beaters at this stage but at least we have more good AFL std players to pick from than in the past. Just my opinion, time will indeed tell.
Here's what I meant by the above post
Auto Selection
1 Andrew Walker
2 Troy Menzel
3 Marc Murphy
4 Bryce Gibbs
5 Chris Judd
6 Kade Simpson
7 Dylan Buckley
8 Matthew Kreuzer
13 Chris Yarran
15 Sam Docherty
17 Sam Rowe
23 Lachie Henderson
33 Andrejs Everitt
35 Ed Curnow
39 Dale Thomas
40 Michael Jamison
41 Levi Casboult
42 Zach Tuohy
44 Andrew Carrazzo
Fill 22 or a role if required
9 Patrick Cripps
10 Matthew Watson
11 Robert Warnock
19 Cameron Giles
27 Dennis Armfield
28 Tom Bell
32 Nick Graham
43 Simon White
21 Ciaran Sheehan
30 Blaine Johnson
36 Cameron Wood
46 David Ellard
Unknowns but likely to fill a role if required
12 Blaine Boekhorst
14 Liam Jones
18 Kristian Jaksch
20 Nick Holman
22 Jason Tutt
24 Mark Whiley
31 Matthew Dick
Unknowns
16 Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
25 Clem Smith
26 Jayden Foster
29 Billy Gowers
34 Bradley Walsh
37 Tom Fields
38 Ciaran Byrne
47 Fraser Russell
With the auto selections, I dont reckon Levi, Buckley, Menzel, Docherty and Rowe were 100% autos at the start of 2014 where as now I reckon they are.
The thing that worries me about that side is there's only three players who weren't there last year, one is Kreuzer and the other has injury/fitness concerns (Jaksch).
Despite the optimism about our new players, we really haven't added anyone to the list who would be an automatic selection for us, or any other team. I don't have any of our new players in my best 22 because none of them have done anything to displace established players. Until such time as they do, our improvement has to come from players returning from injury (Kreuzer,and I'll include Thomas) and developing youngsters (Cripps, Graham, Sheehan).
What is missing from the additions to our list is an established, high performing AFL player. Hopefully, Jones and/or Jaksch will fill that gap.
The problem with that is we lost Waite, Robinson and McLean who were arguable best 22 last year. Jones is a like-for-like swap with Waite but we really need two quick midfielders to replace the other two as we were severely lacking in that area last year. I know we don't know who they are yet (Boekhorst/Dick/Tutt/Smith) but nobody should be happy with that line up for next year because we'll have the same problems again.
I'll be watching the NAB cup very closely.
The thing that worries me about that side is there's only three players who weren't there last year, one is Kreuzer and the other has injury/fitness concerns (Jaksch).
Despite the optimism about our new players, we really haven't added anyone to the list who would be an automatic selection for us, or any other team. I don't have any of our new players in my best 22 because none of them have done anything to displace established players. Until such time as they do, our improvement has to come from players returning from injury (Kreuzer,and I'll include Thomas) and developing youngsters (Cripps, Graham, Sheehan).
What is missing from the additions to our list is an established, high performing AFL player. Hopefully, Jones and/or Jaksch will fill that gap.
The problem with that is we lost Waite, Robinson and McLean who were arguable best 22 last year. Jones is a like-for-like swap with Waite but we really need two quick midfielders to replace the other two as we were severely lacking in that area last year. I know we don't know who they are yet (Boekhorst/Dick/Tutt/Smith) but nobody should be happy with that line up for next year because we'll have the same problems again.
I'll be watching the NAB cup very closely.
Neither or Robbo or BM were quick - the latter far from it. We'll miss Robbo's madness, that's about it.
Dada - bring on Clem Smith!
The thing that worries me about that side is there's only three players who weren't there last year, one is Kreuzer and the other has injury/fitness concerns (Jaksch).
Despite the optimism about our new players, we really haven't added anyone to the list who would be an automatic selection for us, or any other team. I don't have any of our new players in my best 22 because none of them have done anything to displace established players. Until such time as they do, our improvement has to come from players returning from injury (Kreuzer,and I'll include Thomas) and developing youngsters (Cripps, Graham, Sheehan).
What is missing from the additions to our list is an established, high performing AFL player. Hopefully, Jones and/or Jaksch will fill that gap.
The problem with that is we lost Waite, Robinson and McLean who were arguable best 22 last year. Jones is a like-for-like swap with Waite but we really need two quick midfielders to replace the other two as we were severely lacking in that area last year. I know we don't know who they are yet (Boekhorst/Dick/Tutt/Smith) but nobody should be happy with that line up for next year because we'll have the same problems again.
I'll be watching the NAB cup very closely.
Neither or Robbo or BM were quick - the latter far from it. We'll miss Robbo's madness, that's about it.
Dada - bring on Clem Smith!
My point is we didn't have the players to replace them last year so new guys need to, which is why filling their roles with players like Cripps is going to get us nowhere.
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Robbo in fine nick.
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Robbo in fine nick.
Indeed, that was never his problem. Always had excellent conditioning.
^^
Not as good as that.
^^
Not as good as that.
Yeah mate. Been following him on social media since he started AFL. I recall photos of him years ago in the off season shooting magpie geese up north with Joey Anderson. Barefoot and tops off in the bush and he was dead set cut and ripped to the buggery. Has always prepared himself well. I agree he is super ripped, obviously has a point to prove. I wish him well.
Shoulders and thighs look much bigger.
Shoulders are like boulders. Watch out Murph! :P
@G2C
Well said, best of luck to him.
All we have to do is wait until he inevitably sprays the ball straight into our hands! :D :P
All we have to do is wait until he inevitably sprays the ball straight into our hands! :D :P
Will be interesting to see the team's reaction to one of them being Robbo'ed
All we have to do is wait until he inevitably sprays the ball straight into our hands! :D :P
Will be interesting to see the team's reaction to one of them being Robbo'ed
Interesting to see Robbo's reaction when he gets Bell'd. 8)
All we have to do is wait until he inevitably sprays the ball straight into our hands! :D :P
Will be interesting to see the team's reaction to one of them being Robbo'ed
Interesting to see Robbo's reaction when he gets Bell'd. 8)
What like Bell is tough guy is he? Robbo would eat him for Breakfast. Bell is one of the most overrated, overhyped players on our list. Has shown me nothing special what so ever. Isnt polished in his disposal at all and I would be surprised to see him get a game this year if it wasnt for injuries to others.
All we have to do is wait until he inevitably sprays the ball straight into our hands! :D :P
Will be interesting to see the team's reaction to one of them being Robbo'ed
Interesting to see Robbo's reaction when he gets Bell'd. 8)
What like Bell is tough guy is he? Robbo would eat him for Breakfast. Bell is one of the most overrated, overhyped players on our list. Has shown me nothing special what so ever. Isnt polished in his disposal at all and I would be surprised to see him get a game this year if it wasnt for injuries to others.
I must have been watching a different player ???
Robbo's hits are often of little consequence. He tried to take out Hodge last season and ended up getting hurt himself, much to Hodge's amusement. Bell is more subtle and more effective when he clobbers an opponent. If they were to go toe to toe, I'd back Bell.
As I see it, Bell will be competing with Cripps and Whiley and Bell's inefficient disposal probably gives Cripps a slight edge.
Hodge was one incident. The you've been Robbo'ed thread has plenty of counter examples and I can't think of a single instance where someone called his hit inconsequential at the time.
Hodge was one incident. The you've been Robbo'ed thread has plenty of counter examples.
Agree, Robbo is human cannon ball. No regards for his body or well being. No one in the comp comes close w.r.t. that attribute.
Some of Robbo's attempts at being a tough guy may have at times looked spectacular, but has he ever really hurt anyone?
Some of Robbo's attempts at being a tough guy may have at times looked spectacular, but has he ever really hurt anyone?
Yes, himself and several times too Cookie :)
Some of Robbo's attempts at being a tough guy may have at times looked spectacular, but has he ever really hurt anyone?
Yes, himself and several times too Cookie :)
:D
Bell is/was a bigger unit than Robbo and he does hurt players when he makes contact..problem is Bell doesnt have the intensity of Robbo or the die for the jumper attitude
and is just too spasmodic in everything he does.
Robbo did come off second best vs Hodge but Bell wouldnt have bothered trying and thats the difference...not sure Bell understands the opportunity he has in front of him and needs realise his career could be over before its starts if he doesnt start thinking mere about the game and being less casual...
We now do have Clem Smith who looks to have the required qualities?
We now do have Clem Smith who looks to have the required qualities?
I am very keen to see how Clem goes out on the field. Some good write ups on his abilities. He could potentially do a better job of filling Armfields role.
Bell is/was a bigger unit than Robbo and he does hurt players when he makes contact..problem is Bell doesnt have the intensity of Robbo or the die for the jumper attitude
and is just too spasmodic in everything he does.
Robbo did come off second best vs Hodge but Bell wouldnt have bothered trying and thats the difference...not sure Bell understands the opportunity he has in front of him and needs realise his career could be over before its starts if he doesnt start thinking mere about the game and being less casual...
Well said EB
Apart from the additional 10kgs on Bell's frame, he does think before acting and his decision making is far superior to Robbo's. Unfortunately for Bell, and us, his execution is poor, even worse than Robbo's.
Unless he can improve that aspect of his game, he doesn't have that much of a future. He has shown glimpses - his game against Gold Coast for example - of how good he could be, but we would need to see that sort of form consistently.
@DJC
Not sure how long his contract has to go but 2015 will be Bell's make or break year for sure. He needs to be very convincing.
@DJC
Not sure how long his contract has to go but 2015 will be Bell's make or break year for sure. He needs to be very convincing.
The other thing will Bell for me is he has no speed or endurance. He seems to tire easily and he becomes sloppy (which is to be expected) and he doesn't move across the ground gracefully. He is a real plodder. Now thats ok when you have elite disposal but...
@DJC
Not sure how long his contract has to go but 2015 will be Bell's make or break year for sure. He needs to be very convincing.
The other thing will Bell for me is he has no speed or endurance. He seems to tire easily and he becomes sloppy (which is to be expected) and he doesn't move across the ground gracefully. He is a real plodder. Now thats ok when you have elite disposal but...
Bell came 2nd in the recent 2km time trial, just saying.
@DJC
Not sure how long his contract has to go but 2015 will be Bell's make or break year for sure. He needs to be very convincing.
The other thing will Bell for me is he has no speed or endurance. He seems to tire easily and he becomes sloppy (which is to be expected) and he doesn't move across the ground gracefully. He is a real plodder. Now thats ok when you have elite disposal but...
Don't know where that came from. He's known for his tank. Didn't he run a 16 odd beep test at one point? (as well as coming 2nd in the 2km recently). His awareness is his main problem and his ball skills aren't great either. I do think his days are numbered, though.
Bell has endurance, what he doesn't have is awareness. I'm not sure you can teach that can you?
Didn't he sign a long term contract recently?
Bell has endurance, what he doesn't have is awareness. I'm not sure you can teach that can you?
Nope....and thats why i was a very big wrap for Gibbs...despite him taking his time to fulfill his potential. He's always had the ability to find time when there was none. Always aware of where he is and who is around him. Rarely hurried.
Another player who used to have that in spades was Hoops. He was chastised a lot for looking like he wasn't trying and didn't have that desperation, but thats just how he was.
Personally if i was drafting, i'd be more inclined to draft players with awareness rather than bash and crash ability as that trait is somewhat unique and you either have it or you don't. You do need both in your side, but there are more 'battlers' to choose from out there so easier to draft.
Didn't he sign a long term contract recently?
For all contract questions and answers, check this thread which i continue to update.
http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=6.0
In this case, Bell is signed up for 2 more years.
Didn't he sign a long term contract recently?
For all contract questions and answers, check this thread which i continue to update.
http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=6.0
In this case, Bell is signed up for 2 more years.
Hey Kruds, when you update that info for new contracts, could you add the year they signed the new contract as we often get questions about whether a player had signed for 2/3/4/etc years half way through their contracts.
Eg
Contracted until the end of…
1 Andrew Walker 2017 (2014)
Or
Contracted until the end of…
1 Andrew Walker 2017 (3 years)
Or similar.
Contracted until the end of…
1 Andrew Walker 2017 (2014)
Or
Contracted until the end of…
1 Andrew Walker 2017 (3 years)
Or similar.
Damn three years you had to remind me! :P
This is an interesting question, considering we have change our list over so much.
There are many names yet to pull on a Carlton jumper that would be pushing for a selection - more so than in recent seasons.
I wonder how much our votes will change by the end of the 2015 season...??
Didn't he sign a long term contract recently?
For all contract questions and answers, check this thread which i continue to update.
http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=6.0
In this case, Bell is signed up for 2 more years.
Hey Kruds, when you update that info for new contracts, could you add the year they signed the new contract as we often get questions about whether a player had signed for 2/3/4/etc years half way through their contracts.
Eg
Contracted until the end of…
1 Andrew Walker 2017 (2014)
Or
Contracted until the end of…
1 Andrew Walker 2017 (3 years)
Or similar.
That info is usually in the thread itself....but i'll see what i can do from now on.
Time for a revote!
After seeing the boys play a game (or 2) so far this pre-season we have a better idea of how good our players are going and who should/should not deserve a spot in the best 22.
So go ahead, pick your best 22 players. You have 22 votes, so use them wisely!
Full resultes from the original poll are as follows....
1 - Walker 65 (4.5%)
2 - Menzel 66 (4.6%)
3 - Murphy 66 (4.6%)
4 - Gibbs 66 (4.6%)
5 - Judd 66 (4.6%)
6 - Simpson 63 (4.4%)
7 - Buckley 57 (4%)
8 - Kreuzer 65 (4.5%)
9 - Cripps 32 (2.2%)
10 - Watson 4 (0.3%)
11 - Warnock 5 (0.3%)
12 - Boekhorst 21 (1.5%)
13 - Yarran 66 (4.6%)
14 - Jones 41 (2.8%)
15 - Docherty 56 (3.9%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow 3 (0.2%)
17 - Rowe 65 (4.5%)
18 - Jaksch 34 (2.4%)
19 - Giles 0 (0%)
20 - Holman 0 (0%)
21 - Sheehan 11 (0.8%)
22 - Tutt 6 (0.4%)
23 - Henderson 66 (4.6%)
24 - Whiley 13 (0.9%)
25 - Smith 1 (0.1%)
26 - Foster 0 (0%)
27 - Armfield 3 (0.2%)
28 - Bell 40 (2.8%)
29 - Gowers 0 (0%)
30 - Johnson 0 (0%)
31 - Dick 2 (0.1%)
32 - Graham 8 (0.6%)
33 - Everitt 62 (4.3%)
34 - Walsh 2 (0.1%)
35 - Curnow 51 (3.5%)
36 - Wood 13 (0.9%)
37 - Fields 0 (0%)
38 - Byrne 0 (0%)
39 - Thomas 64 (4.4%)
40 - Jamison 66 (4.6%)
41 - Casboult 64 (4.4%)
42 - Tuohy 57 (4%)
43 - White 18 (1.3%)
44 - Carrazzo 49 (3.4%)
46 - Ellard 2 (0.1%)
47 - Russell 0 (0%)
Starters: 60 or more votes...
Jamison
Henderson
Judd
Yarran
Gibbs
Murphy
Walker
Everitt
Menzel
Rowe
Kruezer
Simpson
Thomas
Casboult
Probables: 40-59 votes
Tuohy
Buckley
Docherty
Curnow
Carrazzo
Jones
Bell
Possibles: 10-39 votes
Jakchs
Cripps
Boekhorst
White
Wood
Whiley
Sheehan
Probably not: 1-9 votes
Graham
Tutt
Warnock
Watson
Armfield
Viojo-Rainbow
Ellard
Walsh
Dick
Smith
Highly unlikely: 0 votes
Giles
Holmes
Foster
Gowers
Johnson
Fields
Byrne
Russell
To help expedite the process try this...
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
By todays game, White, Jaksch and Byrne are likely to be far closer to Probables than lower down the list. One game doesn't always say too much in the long run though.
A fit Carrots is a walk up start.
Haven't voted but would have all possibles in kruddlers list come round 1
This is becoming a tough task.
My last 3 picked were Tutt, Cripps and Boekhurst. I went with youth.
I took them from a list including Curnow, Bell, Buckley, White, Graham, Armfield, Watson and Dick !!
There is my top 30 !!
Curnow misses as there are better players (Gibbs, Carrazzo, Everitt) that can do shut down roles if necessary.
I seriously thought about having Buckley instead of Tutt. Bucks would add versatility, Tutt may be a better specialist small forward, Bell as a resting mid and not having a specialist small forward was also an option.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
This, though i'll give the bloke at least a half a season to see what he offers...... ;)
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
A Collins ring a bell?
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
I wouldn't have a problem as long as he was playing better than them. Too early to call though atm.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
I agree Carrots. Bucks and Curnow are well ahead of him.
At least Tutt didn't cost us anything. It was him or a rookie type inexperienced young bloke.
At this stage Tutt is a player that can do a job when the injuries start to mount.
Am I missing something here?
Why does your name dictate you play?
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
I think he will play ahead of Buckley but Curnow is still our No 1 tagger although your man Carrazzo looks fit and fired up well vs the Pies yesterday.
Tutt is probably the only specialist small forward on the list apart from Ellard and think they like his pace and ability to play up the ground as well...dont think he is the answer to replacing Eddie but in the short term I think he will be given the opportunity to prove himself...
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
This... haven't seen anything yet from him. The Two guys who couldn't get a game at the bulldogs are showing us why so far IMO.
I went with Sheahan ahead of Tuohy.
I couldn't fit any Irish in mine.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
Why have you got him in opposition to those 2?
Tutt is not a back pocket, nor a tagger.
FWIW, i reckon Tutt is in direct competition with the likes of Menzel, Smith and Boekhorst and to a lesser extent Walker and Daisy.
What i saw from Tutt was encouraging. Put him up a few notches in my book and is in my top 27. Not sure he gets a game yet, but he'd be ahead of Smith and holding his weight with Boekhorst...who he managed to outrun at one stage showing blistering pace. In truth, he is probably ahead of Boekhorst due to his AFL ready body/fitness.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
Why have you got him in opposition to those 2?
Tutt is not a back pocket, nor a tagger.
FWIW, i reckon Tutt is in direct competition with the likes of Menzel, Smith and Boekhorst and to a lesser extent Walker and Daisy.
What i saw from Tutt was encouraging. Put him up a few notches in my book and is in my top 27. Not sure he gets a game yet, but he'd be ahead of Smith and holding his weight with Boekhorst...who he managed to outrun at one stage showing blistering pace. In truth, he is probably ahead of Boekhorst due to his AFL ready body/fitness.
Exactly. If Tutt is playing well enough to earn his spot but Buckley or Curnow or anyone else for that matter is not then what's the issue?
Based solely on the Pies game, Tutt looks a more likely prospect than Ellard. He's no Eddie that's for sure but that's why he didn't come with a 600k price tag.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
Why have you got him in opposition to those 2?
Tutt is not a back pocket, nor a tagger.
FWIW, i reckon Tutt is in direct competition with the likes of Menzel, Smith and Boekhorst and to a lesser extent Walker and Daisy.
What i saw from Tutt was encouraging. Put him up a few notches in my book and is in my top 27. Not sure he gets a game yet, but he'd be ahead of Smith and holding his weight with Boekhorst...who he managed to outrun at one stage showing blistering pace. In truth, he is probably ahead of Boekhorst due to his AFL ready body/fitness.
I just don't rate him. Stephen Kenna mark II. I think if you're that size you need to be exceptional in other areas and that he's not. Like I said, in and out and eventually delisted. Not that I'm complaining about his recruitment, he cost us nothing.
He's very quick Carrots. Exceptionally quick. I know at least one Doggies supporter who is disappointed that he left.
That being said I can only think of two Doggies supporters that I know...
He's very quick Carrots. Exceptionally quick. I know at least one Doggies supporter who is disappointed that he left.
That being said I can only think of two Doggies supporters that I know...
The Hun would still run with that as "50% of Dogs supporters were disappointed he left" :P
I didn't mind Tutt on the weekend. 12 touches, 100% efficiency. He's quick but he's also known for having a huge tank. I think we'll see quite a bit of him this year.
If Tutt plays ahead of Buckley and or Curnow I'll just about give it away. Tutt will be one of those blokes that's in and out of the side before being delisted, IMO.
Why have you got him in opposition to those 2?
Tutt is not a back pocket, nor a tagger.
FWIW, i reckon Tutt is in direct competition with the likes of Menzel, Smith and Boekhorst and to a lesser extent Walker and Daisy.
What i saw from Tutt was encouraging. Put him up a few notches in my book and is in my top 27. Not sure he gets a game yet, but he'd be ahead of Smith and holding his weight with Boekhorst...who he managed to outrun at one stage showing blistering pace. In truth, he is probably ahead of Boekhorst due to his AFL ready body/fitness.
I just don't rate him. Stephen Kenna mark II. I think if you're that size you need to be exceptional in other areas and that he's not. Like I said, in and out and eventually delisted. Not that I'm complaining about his recruitment, he cost us nothing.
Mate, did you see him burn off Boekhorst and Bell to get a handball receive? Have you seen Boekhorsts highlights reel in which he burns off almost all of his opponents? I'd say he has exceptional speed based on what i saw. Seems to have a good tank too. Got to the right spot on more than one occasion. Not sure where the downside is.
He will never be an eddie betts, but he would be our best small forward on the list right now. My expectations were rock bottom when we got him - he walked from the dogs where he was struggling. To lump him with Kenna is a bit harsh. Kenna wouldn't get a game in todays side and its only out of desperation that he even got a spot on the list to begin with.
I'm not saying his will be our next king....although Steve Martin may disagree...
[flash=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/v/FYbavuReVF4[/flash]
FWIW, based on that video, i was calling him "funky" all game. ;)
Rather be new than best 22 theory.
Rather be new than best 22 theory.
In the quiet words of the Virgin Mary... come again?
We get sucked into new recruits and they immediately jump into our best 22's based on little more than they are new and fresh.
Happens in every forum, happens in the cricket thread.
Based on his 2 games, if Tutt is in our Best 22, we are in trouble. Maybe top 30 as you said.
We get sucked into new recruits and they immediately jump into our best 22's based on little more than they are new and fresh.
Happens in every forum, happens in the cricket thread.
Based on his 2 games, if Tutt is in our Best 22, we are in trouble. Maybe top 30 as you said.
I agree to a certain extent.
Truth be told, these types of polls i am running will highlight things just like that.
I will run a few more throughout the year and compare results at the end. ;)
Tutt will be very much in the final squad IMO but does he get in the best 22 well it'll be line ball so love it or hate it that's where it's at with him right now.
Guys like Boekhorst and Buckley along with Tutt have blistering pace. Add in the bigger bodies at the stoppages to feed it off - Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Carrazzo, Curnow, Cripps, Bell, White, Whiley - and the outside run of the blokes mentioned above along with the run and carry, finishing and pace of Yarran, Simpson, Everitt, Docherty and the like makes us dangerous. Can we make something happen to our advantage often enough is yet to be known but ore excitement and I reckon that's our best hope and also a game plan playing to our best tools that we have. Get the ball out to runners and a multitude of them running hard in numbers forward of centre will burn off teams. Gotta be sustainable though. It's going to be interesting, exciting and frustrating all in one I'm thinking! Winning the BALL well and often enough to feed the runners and 'finishers' will be the key IMO. Then up forward we'll be heavily reliant upon the likes of Henderson, Casboult and Jones. IMO, a very much underrated tall mobile forward target for an alternative is Andrejs Everitt. Offers something very different and dangerous to our attack. he's very fit, natural seeming up forward and attacking which I like. Walker when back will be great forward and on the wing also IMO.
Pratty,
What you have brought to our attention is where Mick thought we had a weakness. he mentioned we had a lack of running players. Players that could run and carry the ball forward. he looks like he is addressing the needs with players that can do this. Whether they can do this regularly at AFL level is yet to be seen. I have faith he can build something given some time. he just needs players that listen and work to their strengths.
Tutt will be very much in the final squad IMO but does he get in the best 22 well it'll be line ball so love it or hate it that's where it's at with him right now.
Guys like Boekhorst and Buckley along with Tutt have blistering pace. Add in the bigger bodies at the stoppages to feed it off - Judd, Gibbs, Murphy, Carrazzo, Curnow, Cripps, Bell, White, Whiley - and the outside run of the blokes mentioned above along with the run and carry, finishing and pace of Yarran, Simpson, Everitt, Docherty and the like makes us dangerous. Can we make something happen to our advantage often enough is yet to be known but ore excitement and I reckon that's our best hope and also a game plan playing to our best tools that we have. Get the ball out to runners and a multitude of them running hard in numbers forward of centre will burn off teams. Gotta be sustainable though. It's going to be interesting, exciting and frustrating all in one I'm thinking! Winning the BALL well and often enough to feed the runners and 'finishers' will be the key IMO. Then up forward we'll be heavily reliant upon the likes of Henderson, Casboult and Jones. IMO, a very much underrated tall mobile forward target for an alternative is Andrejs Everitt. Offers something very different and dangerous to our attack. he's very fit, natural seeming up forward and attacking which I like. Walker when back will be great forward and on the wing also IMO.
Pratty..I think you are right about the pace, we will never be a physical team like the Hawks, Swans, Freo etc as we have too many weak bodies but we do have some speedsters and Port have shown that pace coupled with good skills including good conversion plus extreme fitness can overcome and trouble most teams.
Wasn't that Ratts' gameplan? :P
It's not too hard to pick 16 or 17 but the last 5 or 6 are a bit of a lottery.
I'm surprised that so many folk have gone for Tutt and Jones. I suspect that we'll struggle if they are in our best 22 :(
Wasn't that Ratts' gameplan? :P
It was...Ratten didnt have the equipment to get the job done every week and he was too busy trying to turn the likes of Hampson into a key forward, we ran the ball well enough
but had no one up forward to mark or convert when they did take a mark, the three amigos didnt work, but he did send Yarran to half back which gave us a rebounding weapon. ...very hard to score winning totals when your best key marking forward was about 5'8...
Walker is over 6 foot EB ;)
Wasn't that Ratts' gameplan? :P
It was...Ratten didnt have the equipment to get the job done every week and he was too busy trying to turn the likes of Hampson into a key forward, we ran the ball well enough
but had no one up forward to mark or convert when they did take a mark, the three amigos didnt work, but he did send Yarran to half back which gave us a rebounding weapon. ...very hard to score winning totals when your best key marking forward was about 5'8...
True....but he was sort of hamstrung by losing the best forward in the comp and having Jarrad Waite injured 80% of the time.
Anyway, it was more in jest! Don't want to turn this into a Ratts thread. :)
Walker is over 6 foot EB ;)
Shades...Eddie was a more consistent and regular target IMO, Walker had the one break out year when Ratten pushed him forward and he kicked 50 goals but has never
been a regular forward since...
Henderson, Casboult, Menzel, Everitt, Walker and Eddie would be a very balanced setup, Tutt, Ellard or Buckley in place of Eddie doesnt give me the same confidence.....I dont like the Henderson, Casboult, Jones or Watson format....too top heavy and too easy to run the ball out of our defense..
Walker has to play forward IMO....
One of our major problems, if not THE major problem, is the ability to get the ball to our running and damaging players without turning it over and setting up the opposition whilst leaving ourselves flat-footed. We MUST fix that this year, whoever is in the best 22.
Ive been analysing game plans in light of some of the recent comments.
Regarding game plans, under Ratts, the game plan was tailored around individuals doing individually brilliant things to win games in roles tailored to take advantage of those inidividual brilliant skills. When those players were stopped, teams stopped us, and hit us (hard) going back the other way often.
Under Mick, it seems to be a rigid game style, "perfect army" scenario where the roles players play, are more important than their abilities. You play your role, then it will function to make everyone win. If you are not able to play a role for one week for reason xyz, then you can be moved into a different role, and someone else into yours in order to break the contest open, and allow everyone to start winning their role.
Which you prefer is purely philosophical, and from where I can sit, I see the merit (and pitfalls) in both approaches, and I think the ideal scenario would be a mix of both. You can go too far in both directions.
Ive been analysing game plans in light of some of the recent comments.
Regarding game plans, under Ratts, the game plan was tailored around individuals doing individually brilliant things to win games in roles tailored to take advantage of those inidividual brilliant skills. When those players were stopped, teams stopped us, and hit us (hard) going back the other way often.
Under Mick, it seems to be a rigid game style, "perfect army" scenario where the roles players play, are more important than their abilities. You play your role, then it will function to make everyone win. If you are not able to play a role for one week for reason xyz, then you can be moved into a different role, and someone else into yours in order to break the contest open, and allow everyone to start winning their role.
Which you prefer is purely philosophical, and from where I can sit, I see the merit (and pitfalls) in both approaches, and I think the ideal scenario would be a mix of both. You can go too far in both directions.
I think this is basically the point several posters have been making and you will probably find quite a bit of agreement on here.
The issue of game plan is not black and white, the way we treated Ratten we actually threw the baby out with the bath water, now MM having spent years telling us the bath was no good is refilling it for the baby.
Ratten was foolish because he refused to bend despite glaring examples of inexperience, it cost him his job.
MM seemed similarly stubborn when he first joined Carlton, hell bent on implementing a game plan that did not suit the playing list with an "I know best" attitude. In the end MM has started to change the game plan, but not before offering some significant resistance and I suspect getting some home truths about the pitfalls of being "The Oracle".
Somewhere down the track it is going to arrive at the middle ground, where Ratten should have been heading and where MM should have started. ;)
Ive been analysing game plans in light of some of the recent comments.
Regarding game plans, under Ratts, the game plan was tailored around individuals doing individually brilliant things to win games in roles tailored to take advantage of those inidividual brilliant skills. When those players were stopped, teams stopped us, and hit us (hard) going back the other way often.
Under Mick, it seems to be a rigid game style, "perfect army" scenario where the roles players play, are more important than their abilities. You play your role, then it will function to make everyone win. If you are not able to play a role for one week for reason xyz, then you can be moved into a different role, and someone else into yours in order to break the contest open, and allow everyone to start winning their role.
Which you prefer is purely philosophical, and from where I can sit, I see the merit (and pitfalls) in both approaches, and I think the ideal scenario would be a mix of both. You can go too far in both directions.
I think this is basically the point several posters have been making and you will probably find quite a bit of agreement on here.
The issue of game plan is not black and white, the way we treated Ratten we actually threw the baby out with the bath water, now MM having spent years telling us the bath was no good is refilling it for the baby.
Ratten was foolish because he refused to bend despite glaring examples of inexperience, it cost him his job.
MM seemed similarly stubborn when he first joined Carlton, hell bent on implementing a game plan that did not suit the playing list with an "I know best" attitude. In the end MM has started to change the game plan, but not before offering some significant resistance and I suspect getting some home truths about the pitfalls of being "The Oracle".
Somewhere down the track it is going to arrive at the middle ground, where Ratten should have been heading and where MM should have started. ;)
Great couple of posts guys !!
Totally agree with LP's conclusion !!
Walker is over 6 foot EB ;)
Shades...Eddie was a more consistent and regular target IMO, Walker had the one break out year when Ratten pushed him forward and he kicked 50 goals but has never
been a regular forward since...
Henderson, Casboult, Menzel, Everitt, Walker and Eddie would be a very balanced setup, Tutt, Ellard or Buckley in place of Eddie doesnt give me the same confidence.....I dont like the Henderson, Casboult, Jones or Watson format....too top heavy and too easy to run the ball out of our defense..
Walker has to play forward IMO....
Ha I know mate, it was a slight dig our at lack of key forwards over the last period. Ratts probably did better than we give him credit for, working with a makeshift forward line with Setanta, the amigos and Walker, especially when Fev left.
Walker is a liability in defence and should be played forward of Centre as a lead up target.
Yep Great Post LP..
Not a conspiracy in site as well :-) ;)
Yep Great Post LP..
Not a conspiracy in site as well :-) ;)
I am sure I can find one if I try hard enough! ;)
Ive been analysing game plans in light of some of the recent comments.
Regarding game plans, under Ratts, the game plan was tailored around individuals doing individually brilliant things to win games in roles tailored to take advantage of those inidividual brilliant skills. When those players were stopped, teams stopped us, and hit us (hard) going back the other way often.
Under Mick, it seems to be a rigid game style, "perfect army" scenario where the roles players play, are more important than their abilities. You play your role, then it will function to make everyone win. If you are not able to play a role for one week for reason xyz, then you can be moved into a different role, and someone else into yours in order to break the contest open, and allow everyone to start winning their role.
Which you prefer is purely philosophical, and from where I can sit, I see the merit (and pitfalls) in both approaches, and I think the ideal scenario would be a mix of both. You can go too far in both directions.
I think this is basically the point several posters have been making and you will probably find quite a bit of agreement on here.
The issue of game plan is not black and white, the way we treated Ratten we actually threw the baby out with the bath water, now MM having spent years telling us the bath was no good is refilling it for the baby.
Ratten was foolish because he refused to bend despite glaring examples of inexperience, it cost him his job.
MM seemed similarly stubborn when he first joined Carlton, hell bent on implementing a game plan that did not suit the playing list with an "I know best" attitude. In the end MM has started to change the game plan, but not before offering some significant resistance and I suspect getting some home truths about the pitfalls of being "The Oracle".
Somewhere down the track it is going to arrive at the middle ground, where Ratten should have been heading and where MM should have started. ;)
Great couple of posts guys !!
Totally agree with LP's conclusion !!
I'm with LP too and it was a very good assessment of whats been going on and where we will end up..just wish he could tell me when that middle ground date is so I can plan my holidays ;)
Good analysis LP. Probably the most succinct and accurate appraisal I've read.
Sometimes both experienced and inexperienced coaches can't see the wood for the trees.
I think MM's major mistake when he joined us was that he swallowed what he was told by our senior folk about how far our list was from a premiership. Surprisingly gullible - there's no doubt in my mind that he got a very nasty shock when the reality became clear. Took him quite some time to realise and make the appropriate adjustments to board expectations and the consequent approach.
Alternatively he may have been fully aware of what he was getting into but had to go through a bit of a charade to get the board to realise the truth?
@Cookie, the guy coached against us for as long as is relevant. He then had a media role watching 3 games per week and probably more. He had spots on analysis shows so not only could he form his own view, he could get general consensus from experts and fans via talk back and the media.
I can't see how this could be the case.
@Cookie, the guy coached against us for as long as is relevant. He then had a media role watching 3 games per week and probably more. He had spots on analysis shows so not only could he form his own view, he could get general consensus from experts and fans via talk back and the media.
I can't see how this could be the case.
Well I did offer an alternative explanation assuming your argument were correct IOT. I'm not so sure though that you can know the full story, warts and all, if you're not inside a club. His judgement could have been clouded by his own ego and what he thought he could do to get the list to perform better?
@Cookie, the guy coached against us for as long as is relevant. He then had a media role watching 3 games per week and probably more. He had spots on analysis shows so not only could he form his own view, he could get general consensus from experts and fans via talk back and the media.
I can't see how this could be the case.
One common saying that comes out of his mouth is in regards to having too many introverts. That is something that you can't see from the broadcast booth. There would be plenty of others as well. Like why certain players do things despite being asked not too - be that gameplan or breaking curfew.
Or it could simply be that the playing group were not truly united Or following instruction (not all of them). Given Malthouse relies on everyone pulling together does that also means needing it to occur to succeed?
@cookie, suspect you're onto something
@kruds I think the introvert thing was well known. Perhaps Mick didn't realize it was as big an issue as he initially thought. Or perhaps he is making it out to be a big deal - Clarkson has said his group is introverted after all. As Mick regularly had off field flair ups at Collingwood, I assume this is neither here nor there as an issue.
@thry if they're not following instructions, that tells me they're not buying the vision. It does highlight the leadership issues though. Pavlich pulled Freo into the Lyon line. Reckon Murphy does that?
Finally did my votes....it's taken me this long to work out my best 22.
Apart from the 'starters'...here is who and how i chose the rest.
I went for team balance and picked in position.
- Curnow got in as our best tagger on the team. Everitt was also in the side, but not as a tagger, more of a winger/ball carrier.
- Carrazzo is also there, but more as an extra midfielder to give Judd, Murphy and Gibbs a break
- Tuohy narrowly got the nod over Buckley down back simply because of his AFL ready body by comparison to Buckley and better kicking. Was a toss up though.
- Jakchs and Jones both got in as our 3rd KPPs down back and up forward. Meaning Watson missed out at both ends. Also squeezed out Docherty who didn't really offer me anything specific.
- Kreuzer was the only ruckman picked. Casboult to do backup duties.
- Needed a bigger bodied mid and/or a wrecking ball type player. Instead of choosing Bell i went for a combination of Cripps and White. Partly because i think White offers more to the team, and partly to give Cripps some much needed game time. I think their disposal/decision making is also better than Bells.
- Finally i was down to picking my 22nd player - essentially my sub. Given i had quite a few taller players in the side already (6KPP's, plus a ruckman as well as Everitt and even White) what i wanted was a quick running type who could make a difference in a short space of time. Give us some much needed run when we (most likely) subbed out a bigger bloke. I was tossing up between Armfield, Boekhorst, Tutt and even Smith. In a decision that took about as long as it took me to pick the other 21 players, i ended up going with Tutt. His AFL ready body got him up over Smith and Boeky and his goal sense got him up over Army.
Final 22..
FB Tuohy Jamison Jaksch
HB Yarran Rowe Simpson
C Walker Judd Everitt
HF Jones Henderson Carrazzo
FF Thomas Casboult Menzel
R Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
Int Curnow White Cripps
Sub Tutt
EMG. Docherty Buckley Bell
Good 22 Kruddler.
I think by season's end, Clem will be ahead of Tutt.
Maybe Docherty rather than 2E?
cARROTS in form, ala before that sniper Lonergan hit, is an A grader.
Besides positional changes, I had Wood, Docherty and Bell instead of Kruezer, Tutt and Tuohy.
So pretty close really.
Only went wood die to Kruezer lack of availability and playing time.
Jones sneaks in as the third tall for now... Just. Would consider Boekhurst for run, and play White as the swing man.
I stuffed mine up. Thought it was the team for round 1.
@cookie, suspect you're onto something
@kruds I think the introvert thing was well known. Perhaps Mick didn't realize it was as big an issue as he initially thought. Or perhaps he is making it out to be a big deal - Clarkson has said his group is introverted after all. As Mick regularly had off field flair ups at Collingwood, I assume this is neither here nor there as an issue.
@thry if they're not following instructions, that tells me they're not buying the vision. It does highlight the leadership issues though. Pavlich pulled Freo into the Lyon line. Reckon Murphy does that?
Maybe, I was thinking more along the lines of some players relishing the freedom and importance of Ratten's somewhat individual game plan and seeing Mick's way being too much hard work due to it forcing players to vary how they instinctively play.
If we can't agree what works best there is a fair bet that there would be a split in the Cfc camp.
I think by the end of 2012 the players had lost faith in Ratten's way and each other to get the job donE.
I should have done mine the kruddler's way, 22 players who will constitute the best team, rather than just the best 22.
Interesting that there is no love for Watson and Warnock...not even close
Interesting that there is no love for Watson and Warnock...not even close
I'm not too surprised, Watson may prove me wrong though! A break out year from him up forward would be awesome !!
Hopefully they both provide great depth !!
I should have done mine the kruddler's way, 22 players who will constitute the best team, rather than just the best 22.
Why ? The poll asks for the "Best 22 players", not the best balance of 22 players to start a match. ;)
Final 22..
FB Tuohy Jamison Jaksch
HB Yarran Rowe Simpson
C Walker Judd Everitt
HF Jones Henderson Carrazzo
FF Thomas Casboult Menzel
R Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
Int Curnow White Cripps
Sub Tutt
EMG. Docherty Buckley Bell
Cant argue with much of that other than to say Buckley is ahead of Tutt for mine. As for best 22 at rnd 1, we know Walker and Kruze won't play. I don't like Simmo deep in defence, let play on a wing. If Daisy is as fit as they say, stick him on the other wing to run all day. Rnd 1 I'd go with Watto ahead of White but he is on notice. I want Gibbs in the guts and Juddy RR. Dre ahead of Jones starting. Doc BP
FB Docherty Jamison Jaksch
HB Yarran Rowe Tuohy
C Thomas Gibbs Simpson
HF Everitt Henderson Carrazzo
FF Buckley Casboult Menzel
R Warnock or Wood Murphy Judd
Int Curnow Jones Cripps
Sub Watson
I don't like Simmo deep in defence, let play on a wing.
From what I have seen, Simmo 'retired' to a HBF/back pocket a couple of years ago and IMO he has been doing a mighty fine job back there.
I seriously doubt we will ever see him back on the wing with any permanency ever again. We have Docherty, Boekhurst, Yarran, Daisy who can all play on the wing now.
I don't like Simmo deep in defence, let play on a wing.
From what I have seen, Simmo 'retired' to a HBF/back pocket a couple of years ago and IMO he has been doing a mighty fine job back there.
I seriously doubt we will ever see him back on the wing with any permanency ever again. We have Docherty, Boekhurst, Yarran, Daisy who can all play on the wing now.
I just reckon he gets bashed around a fair bit when he is down back, mainly because of the way he plays and puts his body on the line. I think to prolong his career a little by looking after his body, I would play more outside mid/wing/fwd.
I don't like Simmo deep in defence, let play on a wing.
From what I have seen, Simmo 'retired' to a HBF/back pocket a couple of years ago and IMO he has been doing a mighty fine job back there.
I seriously doubt we will ever see him back on the wing with any permanency ever again. We have Docherty, Boekhurst, Yarran, Daisy who can all play on the wing now.
Agree.
He won a B+F from there 2 years ago.
Doesn't matter where he plays either, he will put his head over the ball and run through anyone who gets in his way...its in his makeup.
I don't like Simmo deep in defence, let play on a wing.
From what I have seen, Simmo 'retired' to a HBF/back pocket a couple of years ago and IMO he has been doing a mighty fine job back there.
I seriously doubt we will ever see him back on the wing with any permanency ever again. We have Docherty, Boekhurst, Yarran, Daisy who can all play on the wing now.
Agree.
He won a B+F from there 2 years ago.
Doesn't matter where he plays either, he will put his head over the ball and run through anyone who gets in his way...its in his makeup.
Agree totally however some others need to start following his lead and ease the load on him. As I said, I'd be starting to plan for prolonging his career as much as possible. We need blokes like him around the club for as long as possible.
G2C the way I see it, they have tried to reduce his running loads by taking him off the wing and putting him at half back. As Krudds has said, Simmo has always played fearless, I doubt that will ever leave his game, in fact I wouldn't want it to even if it were possible.
I understand your trying to protect him and increase Simmo's longevity but I'm not sure there is much more that can be done !!
If I was to pick a 'best 22' I would limit it to those who are likely to be available for round 1 and it would look something like this:
Menzel, Murphy, Gibbs, Judd, Simpson, Cripps, Yarran, Jones, Docherty, Rowe, Jaksch, Henderson, Bell, Everitt, Curnow, Thomas, Jamison, Tuohy, White, Carrazzo, Wood, Casboult.
We lost to the Cats by 3 goals with Yazz, Gibbs and Simmo and with Murphy and Thomas finding their feet. Should I mention Robbie W too? :)
who cares....?
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
Has to be Bell from that IC bench.
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
Only knock I can find on that is the forward line is very tall and no small forward.
Some might not find that a knock at all.
Thomas and Menzel, but no pocket rocket, alough when Murph and Judd rest through there we have points of difference.
Looks a pretty common best 22.
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
Ok so I had a think
Can we have both Curnow and Carrazzo in the side?
For instance, in round 1:
i)
Carrazzo will likely take Cotchin
ii)
Everitt will take Deledio (has Deledio been playing NAB? last year he burnt us in round 1 until Everitt went to him)
iii)
Touhy will likely take Martin again.
iv) Not sure where that leaves
Curnow, unless we tag Ellis as well.
Carrazzo's best, imo, is elite. Though Curnow is a good footballer with superior fitness. So it is a tough choice between the two (if you had to choose)... but, as we all know, both their disposal can be questionable.
Also, while Whites form has been pretty good in the NAB it will be interesting to see how many games in the seniors he plays.
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
Ok so I had a think
Can we have both Curnow and Carrazzo in the side?
For instance, in round 1:
i) Carrazzo will likely take Cotchin
ii) Everitt will take Deledio (has Deledio been playing NAB? last year he burnt us in round 1 until Everitt went to him)
iii) Touhy will likely take Martin again.
iv) Not sure where that leaves Curnow, unless we tag Ellis as well.
Carrazzo's best, imo, is elite. Though Curnow is a good footballer with superior fitness. So it is a tough choice between the two (if you had to choose)... but, as we all know, both their disposal can be questionable.
Also, while Whites form has been pretty good in the NAB it will be interesting to see how many games in the seniors he plays.
Dont want Touhy on Martin....he cant handle him one on one and you can bet the Tigers will be push everyone up the ground and leave Martin one out on whoever we play on him....
They may try and play Deledio on Judd....would expect Curnow and Carrazzo to both play...like to see Everitt free to roam around without having to man anyone up.....
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
Ok so I had a think
Can we have both Curnow and Carrazzo in the side?
For instance, in round 1:
i) Carrazzo will likely take Cotchin
ii) Everitt will take Deledio (has Deledio been playing NAB? last year he burnt us in round 1 until Everitt went to him)
iii) Touhy will likely take Martin again.
iv) Not sure where that leaves Curnow, unless we tag Ellis as well.
Carrazzo's best, imo, is elite. Though Curnow is a good footballer with superior fitness. So it is a tough choice between the two (if you had to choose)... but, as we all know, both their disposal can be questionable.
Also, while Whites form has been pretty good in the NAB it will be interesting to see how many games in the seniors he plays.
Dont want Touhy on Martin....he cant handle him one on one and you can bet the Tigers will be push everyone up the ground and leave Martin one out on whoever we play on him....
They may try and play Deledio on Judd....would expect Curnow and Carrazzo to both play...like to see Everitt free to roam around without having to man anyone up.....
I would play White on Martin and Curnow and Carrazzo both have to play.
I don't like the three talls forward line and would have Casboult and Henderson as our key forwards. Everitt and others can add a bit of height and mobility as required.
I suspect Jaksch will be our only debutant but Smith or Boekhurst could get a run as he sub.
@DJC and EB1
Yes, I think White may get Martin - he's probably got the mongrel and strength to deal with him but nevertheless he'll have his hands full. Tuohy is not a good match up for him - Martin just easily shrugged him off in the game last year in spectacular fashion to kick a lovely goal.
I'll give my best 22 for Round 1, with availability.
FB Jaksch Jamison Touhy
HB Yarran Henderson Docherty
C Murphy Gibbs Simpson
R Warnock Judd Cripps
HF Thomas Jones Everitt
FF Rowe Casboult Menzel
I Carrazzo Bell White Curnow
I have no idea who to make sub!?!
Ok so I had a think
Can we have both Curnow and Carrazzo in the side?
For instance, in round 1:
i) Carrazzo will likely take Cotchin
ii) Everitt will take Deledio (has Deledio been playing NAB? last year he burnt us in round 1 until Everitt went to him)
iii) Touhy will likely take Martin again.
iv) Not sure where that leaves Curnow, unless we tag Ellis as well.
Carrazzo's best, imo, is elite. Though Curnow is a good footballer with superior fitness. So it is a tough choice between the two (if you had to choose)... but, as we all know, both their disposal can be questionable.
Also, while Whites form has been pretty good in the NAB it will be interesting to see how many games in the seniors he plays.
Dont want Touhy on Martin....he cant handle him one on one and you can bet the Tigers will be push everyone up the ground and leave Martin one out on whoever we play on him....
They may try and play Deledio on Judd....would expect Curnow and Carrazzo to both play...like to see Everitt free to roam around without having to man anyone up.....
I would play White on Martin and Curnow and Carrazzo both have to play.
I don't like the three talls forward line and would have Casboult and Henderson as our key forwards. Everitt and others can add a bit of height and mobility as required.
I suspect Jaksch will be our only debutant but Smith or Boekhurst could get a run as he sub.
DJ..White is a good choice, plays a strong game and might be able to match it with Martin physically........
Agree on the forwards..we look a bit top heavy with three talls however the club have been talking up Jones all preseason and reckon he and Jaksch will debut as newbies......
Reckon Tutt might get the sub role....
I think White is that barometer player that never plays in a flag side.
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
Who else is there?
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
We won't know for sure until it occurs.
It'd be a difficult matchup to get right, but I wonder if it's worth putting too much time into, as it means we have stifled the rest of their forwardline. As good as Dusty is he won't kick too many in a game it might be one of those contests that you just let happen in order to win the rest.
Sure he got off the leash and kicked a nice goal against Tuohy last year. From memory it was one of two. Big deal.
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
We won't know for sure until it occurs.
It'd be a difficult matchup to get right, but I wonder if it's worth putting too much time into, as it means we have stifled the rest of their forwardline. As good as Dusty is he won't kick too many in a game it might be one of those contests that you just let happen in order to win the rest.
Sure he got off the leash and kicked a nice goal against Tuohy last year. From memory it was one of two. Big deal.
The one that sticks in my memory is a one on one contest where Martin ran rings around Tuohy and strolled in for an eventually far too easy goal. Tuohy is far too easily out positioned by players like Martin.
Our other options would be Carrazzo and Gibbs. Playing Gibbs on Martin would rob us of midfield class so the only real options I can see are White and Carrazzo, with White being the best option in my opinion.
I suspect Malthouse will play Tuohy on Martin though and it will cost us a couple of goals.
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
I suppose you'd put Curnow on him PI2C? :)
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
I suppose you'd put Curnow on him PI2C? :)
I would put Carrots on him to really get into his head and unsettle him.
SOJ seems out of favour at the minute. Wonder what the story is there. Early in the preseason they were talking him up, dropped off the radar since.
Other option for Martin might be Jaksch who Mick reckons can play on medium size players....Touhy isnt smart enough IMO..
SOJ seems out of favour at the minute. Wonder what the story is there. Early in the preseason they were talking him up, dropped off the radar since.
Does Rice's boy become SOD? :P
I haven't seen his preseason but I'd like to see Buckley starting.
Carlton website has a preview of the season by Nick Bowen of AFL.COM.AU (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-03-24/aflcomau-previews-carltons-season)
He seems to have gone the best 22 on rankings not balance, not sure that team is viable.
Carlton website has a preview of the season by Nick Bowen of AFL.COM.AU (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2015-03-24/aflcomau-previews-carltons-season)
He seems to have gone the best 22 on rankings not balance, not sure that team is viable.
No Tom Bell in that 22 either.
No Tom Bell in that 22 either.
I think blokes like Bell, Armfield and Sheehan are borderline at best.
It's a pity about Armfield, I would have liked nothing better than to see an Armfield / Yarran chase down a bloke like Nakia Cockatoo last weekend! The glory hunters get all the kudos while Armfield gets nada, but those run from behind shepherds, tackles and chase downs are worth way more than a sprint through an open midfield.
No Tom Bell in that 22 either.
I think blokes like Bell, Armfield and Sheehan are borderline at best.
It's a pity about Armfield, I would have liked nothing better than to see an Armfield / Yarran chase down a bloke like Nakia Cockatoo last weekend! The glory hunters get all the kudos while Armfield gets nada, but those run from behind shepherds, tackles and chase downs are worth way more than a sprint through an open midfield.
I think the club have high expectations of Bell and he has been one of our better preseasons players and after losing Robbo I reckon he is a monty to be playing round 1...
I think the club have high expectations of Bell and he has been one of our better preseasons players and after losing Robbo I reckon he is a monty to be playing round 1...
I think the club is desperate for some heavy hitters who can also play a bit, but I'm yet to be convinced that Bell(187cm) is the answer.
I'd think our slower midfielder, who works well inside stoppages, has some smarts and some agility as well as the ability to hurt teams resting forward will be Gibbs(188cm), Cripps(190cm), Thomas(185cm) or Menzel(186cm).
At the other end of the spectrum, the tall ultra-mobile fast and deep running link/swing men, Jaksch(195cm), White(190cm) and Everitt(194cm) have him covered in height and speed alone.
In another season or so, if Bell doesn't learn a few more tricks, blokes like Sheehan(188cm) and Burn(187cm) might got right past Bell!
So where does Bell fit in, what are his tricks, what sets him apart or gives him an edge?
No doubt you need some mongrel, but you need more than mongrel at AFL level.
PS: I haven't seen it but I hear he was lucky not to be cited from the weekend, can you elaborate?
I think the club have high expectations of Bell and he has been one of our better preseasons players and after losing Robbo I reckon he is a monty to be playing round 1...
absolutely
I think the club have high expectations of Bell and he has been one of our better preseasons players and after losing Robbo I reckon he is a monty to be playing round 1...
I think the club is desperate for some heavy hitters who can also play a bit, but I'm yet to be convinced that Bell(187cm) is the answer.
I'd think our slower midfielder, who works well inside stoppages, has some smarts and some agility as well as the ability to hurt teams resting forward will be Gibbs(188cm), Cripps(190cm), Thomas(185cm) or Menzel(186cm).
At the other end of the spectrum, the tall ultra-mobile fast and deep running link/swing men, Jaksch(195cm), White(190cm) and Everitt(194cm) have him covered in height and speed alone.
In another season or so, if Bell doesn't learn a few more tricks, blokes like Sheehan(188cm) and Burn(187cm) might got right past Bell!
So where does Bell fit in, what are his tricks, what sets him apart or gives him an edge?
No doubt you need some mongrel, but you need more than mongrel at AFL level.
PS: I haven't seen it but I hear he was lucky not to be cited from the weekend, can you elaborate?
I remember he crunched someone could have been Selwood and maybe caught them high but I cant any other incident comes to mind unless
it was off the ball...
RE Bell
Yes he is big, yes he can run, yes he can hit. His disposal lets him down more often than not and his awareness is terrible. Until we add polish to this side, we aren't going to improve much. I personally wouldn't play him until his disposal improves dramatically however I am not the coach (nor am I a coaches a-hole). Having said that, I believe he will play every game this year (barring injury) and we will lament his lack of polish on this site every week all year.
Other option for Martin might be Jaksch who Mick reckons can play on medium size players....Touhy isnt smart enough IMO..
I'd go with Everitt for Martin
OMG White on Martin? Thank God you guys aren't in charge. No offence of course. The only thing of Martin's that White could match is maybe hardness at the ball but in terms of skill, speed and just plain ability White would get eclipsed by a player of Martin's ilk.
I suppose you'd put Curnow on him PI2C? :)
Sorry, but you guys have lost the plot if you think White matches up on Martin. Aside from being outclassed, Martin could just run up the ground and double back and White is effectively gone. Just not gonna happen.
Perhaps our list management hasn't been THAT good if we don't have one decent option to play on a player like him. I think Tuohy is good enough TBH and you'd have to question where he's going in his career if he's not an option to play on these types.
Touhy usually towels Him up.
I think Tuohy is good enough TBH and you'd have to question where he's going in his career if he's not an option to play on these types.
This.
You rate the guy when he comes out and openly stated how poor his 2014 season was.... yep, he'll do the job, better than White.
How close did folk get to the Rd 1 22?
I got 18 - picking Walker and Kreuzer didn't help ::)
How close did folk get to the Rd 1 22?
I got 18 - picking Walker and Kreuzer didn't help ::)
I had Casboult in place of Smith, which tells me I probably didn't give much consideration to team balance.
How close did folk get to the Rd 1 22?
I got 18 - picking Walker and Kreuzer didn't help ::)
You were supposed to pick your best 22 assuming everyone was fit. So most people would've had those 2.
For the record, i had 18 correct. 20 if you include Walker/Kreuzer.
Doch in for injured Walker
Wood in for injured Kreuzer.
Smith got in instead of Tutt (which was my 22nd player picked and was a tossup between those 2 on who got the gig)
The only other one i got wrong was Casboult out, Bell in.
I had Walker and Casboult instead of Tuohy and Smith.
Otherwise nailed it.
Shows we have a fit FULL Strength squad available... no excuses for slow starts
My Team - Walker, Kreuzer, Boekhurst, Tutt, Casboult
Rnd 1 Team - White, Wood, Curnow, Smith, Bell
Time for a new poll.
We've seen the first 2 games and we all wish we hadn't. >:(
Now we get a chance to reevaluate who we think deserves a spot in our best 22. Ignore injuries, assume all players are fit and available for selection.
Who would you pick to be in our best 22?
For the record, the recent 'pre-season' poll results are below.
Starters: 40 or more votes...
5 - Judd - 49 (4.5%)
6 - Simpson - 49 (4.5%)
13 - Yarran - 49 (4.5%)
2 - Menzel - 49 (4.5%)
4 - Gibbs - 49 (4.5%)
40 - Jamison - 49 (4.5%)
23 - Henderson - 49 (4.5%)
3 - Murphy - 49 (4.5%)
33 - Everitt - 48 (4.5%)
39 - Thomas - 48 (4.5%)
44 - Carrazzo - 48 (4.5%)
17 - Rowe - 46 (4.3%)
18 - Jaksch - 46 (4.3%)
41 - Casboult - 46 (4.3%)
1 - Walker - 46 (4.3%)
15 - Docherty - 44 (4.1%)
Probables: 25-39 votes
42 - Tuohy - 39 (3.6%)
8 - Kreuzer - 35 (3.2%)
35 - Curnow - 33 (3.1%)
28 - Bell - 33 (3.1%)
14 - Jones - 32 (3%)
9 - Cripps - 31 (2.9%)
Possibles: 10-25 votes
43 - White - 26 (2.4%)
7 - Buckley - 22 (2%)
12 - Boekhorst - 17 (1.6%)
36 - Wood - 16 (1.5%)
Probably not: 1-9 votes
22 - Tutt - 7 (0.6%)
21 - Sheehan - 5 (0.5%)
11 - Warnock - 5 (0.5%)
10 - Watson - 3 (0.3%)
27 - Armfield - 3 (0.3%)
25 - Smith - 2 (0.2%)
32 - Graham - 2 (0.2%)
38 - Byrne - 1 (0.1%)
34 - Walsh - 1 (0.1%)
Highly unlikely: 0 votes
29 - Gowers - 0 (0%)
37 - Fields - 0 (0%)
30 - Johnson - 0 (0%)
31 - Dick - 0 (0%)
46 - Ellard - 0 (0%)
47 - Russell - 0 (0%
19 - Giles - 0 (0%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow - 0 (0%)
20 - Holman - 0 (0%)
26 - Foster - 0 (0%)
24 - Whiley - 0 (0%)
No to Walsh!!
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Big bodied unit who will be a leader going forward.
No to Walsh!!
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Big bodied unit who will be a leader going forward.
He's the one I am really hoping comes on a bit.
Obviously a knock on him as he was overlooked in the draft, but WA captain, big body. How's he gone in the practice Matches?
Not too many people have voted for this one. I was hoping to get a lot more people voting before our match with Essendon tomorrow which may skew a lot of peoples votes should we win.
Not too many people have voted for this one. I was hoping to get a lot more people voting before our match with Essendon tomorrow which may skew a lot of peoples votes should we win.
Perhaps our poor start has discouraged punters Kruddler. I know I'm not as enthusiastic as I was two and a bit weeks ago.
It will be a pity if folk don't continue to take part in this exercise. I am looking forward to seeing how our opinions evolve over the season.
Most of us are in shock!
Just voted.
Interesting that some don't have Thomas in their best 22! He's the second highest paid player at the club! ???
OK, so still plenty of room to vote for your best 22. Now we are sitting 0-3 and are looking like wooden spoon favourites tag might be around for another week.
I reckon there will be quite a spread of votes amongst now. Some 'nobodies' are suddenly in contention.
Have at it.
My best 22 has 24...lol.
I have Whiley and Boekhorst in mine so they had better not let me down when they debut......Byrne is one I would hope to include down the track...
I have Whiley and Boekhorst in mine so they had better not let me down when they debut......Byrne is one I would hope to include down the track...
You should have taken my lead and included him already. Do you ever learn. ;D ;)
You should have taken my lead and included him already. Do you ever learn. ;D ;)
Well picked Mants..do you have the three Irish boys in your lineup?
Well picked Mants..do you have the three Irish boys in your lineup?
Believe it or not, only Byrne. Although during the season egg will be on my face as I get a feeling 2E and Sheehan will get a place in the squad. 2E just needs a few pieces of his game fixed up. His bombs for goal outside 50m on the run are great, but he just needs a little polish with his use of the ball, and some effort in his defencive games at times. Byrne has run ability and very good by foot. Sheehan just needs to be given a chance. I think he could be a great depth player. Time will tell though. Irish players just appear to give more heart in their games. Almost as though the result depends on their work rate.
Believe it or not, only Byrne. Although during the season egg will be on my face as I get a feeling 2E and Sheehan will get a place in the squad. 2E just needs a few pieces of his game fixed up. His bombs for goal outside 50m on the run are great, but he just needs a little polish with his use of the ball, and some effort in his defencive games at times. Byrne has run ability and very good by foot. Sheehan just needs to be given a chance. I think he could be a great depth player. Time will tell though. Irish players just appear to give more heart in their games. Almost as though the result depends on their work rate.
Well said Mants. Can't argue with any of that. Really impressed with Byrne's debut, makes good decisions under pressure and is a great deliverer by foot. No sub vest this week though.
Anyone else wanna have a vote in this while we are still 'wooden spoon favourites'?
Well....its about time for a restart. We've seen a fair whack of players run through the seniors so far and many of them head straight back out again. At this stage 'best 22' is a bit of an oxymoron, but let's see how we go.
Here was the results from our last vote....
Starters
3 - Murphy 25 (4.7%)
5 - Judd 25 (4.7%)
6 - Simpson 25 (4.7%)
13 - Yarran 25 (4.7%)
23 - Henderson 25 (4.7%)
2 - Menzel 24 (4.5%)
15 - Docherty 24 (4.5%)
1 - Walker 23 (4.3%)
4 - Gibbs 23 (4.3%)
33 - Everitt 22 (4.1%)
9 - Cripps 21 (3.9%)
42 - Tuohy 21 (3.9%)
8 - Kreuzer 20 (3.7%)
43 - White 20 (3.7%)
Probables
28 - Bell 19 (3.5%)
40 - Jamison 19 (3.5%)
18 - Jaksch 18 (3.4%)
39 - Thomas 18 (3.4%)
41 - Casboult 18 (3.4%)
44 - Carrazzo 18 (3.4%)
17 - Rowe 14 (2.6%)
7 - Buckley 14 (2.6%)
35 - Curnow 12 (2.2%)
Possibles
27 - Armfield 10 (1.9%)
36 - Wood 10 (1.9%)
38 - Byrne 10 (1.9%)
21 - Sheehan 6 (1.1%)
10 - Watson 4 (0.7%)
12 - Boekhorst 4 (0.7%)
14 - Jones 4 (0.7%)
32 - Graham 4 (0.7%)
Probably not
24 - Whiley 3 (0.6%)
30 - Johnson 2 (0.4%)
11 - Warnock 1 (0.2%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow 1 (0.2%)
19 - Giles 1 (0.2%)
22 - Tutt 1 (0.2%)
37 - Fields 1 (0.2%)
46 - Ellard 1 (0.2%)
Unlikely
20 - Holman 0 (0%)
25 - Smith 0 (0%)
26 - Foster 0 (0%)
29 - Gowers 0 (0%)
31 - Dick 0 (0%)
34 - Walsh 0 (0%)
47 - Russell 0 (0%)
Between the possibles and probables I had Byrne in for White. Bit of a call after one game but one has to take something on trust.
Wood was unlucky as i believe he and Casboult have done a good job in the ruck, as the stoppage figures would indicate, but it's either Wood or Kreuzer, not both.
Amazingly tough after the first dozen or so, and in that dozen are some dinosaurs, the bulk of the list is crape and what talent they might have had is being beaten out of them by an archaic game plan and finger pointing development coaches!
OK, we've got a new coach and a new found energy. A lot of changes in form as well.
Here are the results from the last poll.
Starters
2 - Menzel - 11 (4.7%)
3 - Murphy - 11 (4.7%)
4 - Gibbs - 11 (4.7%)
5 - Judd - 11 (4.7%)
6 - Simpson - 11 (4.7%)
13 - Yarran - 11 (4.7%)
15 - Docherty - 11 (4.7%)
23 - Henderson - 11 (4.7%)
28 - Bell - 11 (4.7%)
8 - Kreuzer - 10 (4.2%)
9 - Cripps - 10 (4.2%)
33 - Everitt - 10 (4.2%)
35 - Curnow - 10 (4.2%)
Probables
17 - Rowe - 9 (3.8%)
40 - Jamison - 9 (3.8%)
38 - Byrne - 8 (3.4%)
42 - Tuohy - 7 (3%)
43 - White - 7 (3%)
1 - Walker - 7 (3%)
Possibly
36 - Wood - 6 (2.5%)
39 - Thomas - 6 (2.5%)
7 - Buckley - 5 (2.1%)
27 - Armfield - 5 (2.1%)
18 - Jaksch - 5 (2.1%)
21 - Sheehan - 5 (2.1%)
41 - Casboult - 5 (2.1%)
44 - Carrazzo - 4 (1.7%)
Probably not
22 - Tutt - 3 (1.3%)
32 - Graham - 2 (0.8%)
25 - Smith - 2 (0.8%)
24 - Whiley - 1 (0.4%)
46 - Ellard - 1 (0.4%)
Unlikely
10 - Watson - 0 (0%)
11 - Warnock - 0 (0%)
12 - Boekhorst - 0 (0%)
14 - Jones - 0 (0%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow - 0 (0%)
19 - Giles - 0 (0%)
20 - Holman - 0 (0%)
26 - Foster - 0 (0%)
29 - Gowers - 0 (0%)
30 - Johnson - 0 (0%)
31 - Dick - 0 (0%)
34 - Walsh - 0 (0%)
37 - Fields - 0 (0%)
47 - Russell - 0 (0%)
As always, this is a handy tool to use.
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
That was relatively easy, until I got to around 17-18. We don't have a lot of talent in our bottom 6-8 players.
That was relatively easy, until I got to around 17-18. We don't have a lot of talent in our bottom 6-8 players.
I think you need to recount your votes. I think you only chose 20 players.
I think you need to recount your votes. I think you only chose 20 players.
You're right. I have to find a coin to help me decide on the last two :)
You're right. I have to find a coin to help me decide on the last two :)
Everitt would be one i'd choose without the need of a coin.
Daisy/Menzel/Walker...
Well that's a funny start to a poll. ???
Consensus ;)
I tried to put 23 in there but got caught...lol
I left Walker and Daisy out too due to fitness concerns and injury respectively.
Everitt would be one i'd choose without the need of a coin.
Daisy/Menzel/Walker...
Everitt definitely, Menzel and Walker is a toin coss.
However, it's academic because I can't get back to the voting page. Any tips?
After a quick look, my 4 main points of difference are;
In; Walker, Thomas
Out, Wood, Carrazzo
I went small and only included Kreuzer and Casboult as rucks.
I'm assuming (as dangerous as that is) Carrazzo will probably retire at the end of this year.
Everitt definitely, Menzel and Walker is a toin coss.
However, it's academic because I can't get back to the voting page. Any tips?
Yeah, make sure you've got 22 before you hit enter next time. :P
Yeah, make sure you've got 22 before you hit enter next time. :P
Counting was never my strong point :P
Counting was never my strong point :P
Thats why i posted the 'magnetic board' link.
If you know the positions (i'm assuming you do), then you don't need to count them. ;)
Thats why i posted the 'magnetic board' link.
If you know the positions (i'm assuming you do), then you don't need to count them. ;)
OK, I'll use that next time now that I'm suitably chastened ;)
I left out Walker and White.
I left out Walker and White.
Why am I not surprised :P
Why am I not surprised :P
Hey it was either Daisy or White, I did give Armfield an upgrade! :D
I left out Walker and White.
....and daisy?
I left out Walker and Curnow
No Daisy is in from me. He surely has to be in our best 22 when fit, he's just not worth anywhere near 750k.
daisy is not in for me
Seems to be pretty consistent currently.
Somewhat of a surprise is the mass exclusion of Walker. I left him out of my team, but i didn't think so many others would as well.
Seems to be pretty consistent currently.
Somewhat of a surprise is the mass exclusion of Walker. I left him out of my team, but i didn't think so many others would as well.
I think that even though it's a best 22 people are choosing pretty much on current form.
I think that even though it's a best 22 people are choosing pretty much on current form.
Thats what i hope to expose at the end of the year. ;)
Point here though is...At his very best or even at about 80% of it Thomas would be in our starting 22....probably the same with Walker.
But they may never again reach that type of form.
On the other hand we may get someone upgraded off the rookie list that needs a few games to find his feet and by the end of the season is "the next Kouta".
Players that struggle under a game plan or allocated position may blossom under a change of plan or a move to a different position
So the best 22 is a fluid, flexible thing and would change constantly throughout the year and across seasons.
It's a real "point in time" thing.
My choices now are quite different to the start of the year.
The best 22 indicated above is arguably our best 22 now.....it may (should) be different at the end of the year.
Seems to be a fair degree of consensus here! Only really Walker and Thomas as marginal calls.
I think that even though it's a best 22 people are choosing pretty much on current form.
Isn't that how you pick a best 22? If a player is out of form/injured, he wouldn't be in the best 22 ???
And that's what you're saying in your next comment :)
Seems to be pretty consistent currently.
Somewhat of a surprise is the mass exclusion of Walker. I left him out of my team, but i didn't think so many others would as well.
Picking the best 22 on fitness and form for this one. Thomas and Walker would be picked normally
Point here though is...At his very best or even at about 80% of it Thomas would be in our starting 22....probably the same with Walker.
But they may never again reach that type of form.
On the other hand we may get someone upgraded off the rookie list that needs a few games to find his feet and by the end of the season is "the next Kouta".
Players that struggle under a game plan or allocated position may blossom under a change of plan or a move to a different position
So the best 22 is a fluid, flexible thing and would change constantly throughout the year and across seasons.
It's a real "point in time" thing.
My choices now are quite different to the start of the year.
The best 22 indicated above is arguably our best 22 now.....it may (should) be different at the end of the year.
I want to show people that it is fluid. How fluid i'm not sure, we shall see at the end of the year.
There are always people who argue player x is CLEARLY in our best 22 and has been all year......perhaps not.
A couple of examples....
First poll...
Walker - 65 / 66 people had him best 22.
Jones - 41/66 votes
Graham - 8/66 votes
Armfield - 3/66 votes
Current poll...
Walker - 6/23
Jones - 0/23
Graham - 18/23
Armfield - 20/23
In retrospect we might find out that someone like Walker is carrying a terribly debilitating injury, which has affected his form.
I was also hoping to highlight during our worst periods that our best 22 was far from easy to select.
I was also hoping to highlight during our worst periods that our best 22 was far from easy to select.
That's a fair point....
When a team is performing poorly there are always folk calling for heads to roll or for fringe players to be given a chance.
At such a time you would get a large selection of players suggested as being in the top 22 and a big difference between poster's choices.
Contrast that with our improved form over the last month and the numbers contract to a core group... with not a lot of difference in people's choices.
I have recently left Thomas out because of injury and suspect it will take him a while to come good again. It isn't as easy as I thought earlier when we had more passengers in the squad. Number one spot should go to Barker, but his name isn't on the list. ;D
I had trouble finding 22 to pick.
Good to see Juddy's name is still on the pick list. Even on 1 leg, and formally retired, I still have him ahead of Boekhurst. I think they had the same number of kicks on Saturday
Good to see Juddy's name is still on the pick list. Even on 1 leg, and formally retired, I still have him ahead of Boekhurst. I think they had the same number of kicks on Saturday
I tossed up whether i should take it off or not, or if i should make a comment about him at all.
I figured someone would pick him and suggest what you have above, that even on 1 leg he is better than.....
I figured someone would pick him and suggest what you have above, that even on 1 leg he is better than.....
Perhaps you could run a poll to see who we think he is still better than ;)
I figured someone would pick him and suggest what you have above, that even on 1 leg he is better than.....
Tie him to Watson. ;D
Firstly we'll have a player with two legs..... ;)
...and a good midfielder who will work hard and can kick the ball a mile :))
OK, time to check where we are at with our players after back to back thumpings under the watch of our second coach for the year.
Here are the results for the latest poll....
Starters
3 - Murphy - 29 (4.6%)
4 - Gibbs - 29 (4.6%)
6 - Simpson - 29 (4.6%)
8 - Kreuzer - 29 (4.6%)
9 - Cripps - 29 (4.6%)
15 - Docherty - 29 (4.6%)
17 - Rowe - 29 (4.6%)
28 - Bell - 29 (4.6%)
42 - Tuohy - 29 (4.6%)
42 - Tuohy - 29 (4.6%)
13 - Yarran - 28 (4.4%)
23 - Henderson - 28 (4.4%)
33 - Everitt - 28 (4.4%)
41 - Casboult - 28 (4.4%)
Probables
2 - Menzel - 27 (4.3%)
7 - Buckley - 26 (4.1%)
40 - Jamison - 26 (4.1%)
27 - Armfield - 25 (3.9%)
35 - Curnow - 25 (3.9%)
32 - Graham - 24 (3.8%)
43 - White - 22 (3.5%)
44 - Carrazzo - 21 (3.3%)
Possibles
36 - Wood - 19 (3%)
39 - Thomas - 16 (2.5%)
1 - Walker - 8 (1.3%)
Probably Not
38 - Byrne - 4 (0.6%)
18 - Jaksch - 4 (0.6%)
20 - Holman - 4 (0.6%)
21 - Sheehan - 3 (0.5%)
5 - Judd - 1 (0.2%)
14 - Jones - 1 (0.2%)
22 - Tutt - 1 (0.2%)
34 - Walsh - 1 (0.2%)
46 - Ellard - 1 (0.2%)
47 - Russell - 1 (0.2%)
Unlikely
10 - Watson - 0 (0%)
11 - Warnock - 0 (0%)
12 - Boekhorst - 0 (0%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow - 0 (0%)
19 - Giles - 0 (0%)
24 - Whiley - 0 (0%)
25 - Smith - 0 (0%)
26 - Foster - 0 (0%)
29 - Gowers - 0 (0%)
30 - Johnson - 0 (0%)
31 - Dick - 0 (0%)
37 - Fields - 0 (0%)
As always, try using this...
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
Daisy...750k a year for a possible.... :(
Reckon Boekhorst is in the probable category, with Holman...
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that there are no new players that have come to the club in the last 2 years that are rated higher than "propably not" ? Not a positive position for us
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that there are no new players that have come to the club in the last 2 years that are rated higher than "propably not" ? Not a positive position for us
Technically Cripps, Everitt and Docherty have come to the club in the past 2 seasons and have made an impact.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems that there are no new players that have come to the club in the last 2 years that are rated higher than "propably not" ? Not a positive position for us
Traditionally kids are simply not ready to come into the best 22 in their first 2 years.
Walker isn't best 22 based on his past 2 seasons, neither is Thomas. Menzel barely scrapes in.
Results are in....not many people voted during this time, but voters have remained relatively consistent.
Starters
3 - Murphy - 13 (4.5%)
4 - Gibbs - 13 (4.5%)
4 - Gibbs - 13 (4.5%)
6 - Simpson - 13 (4.5%)
8 - Kreuzer - 13 (4.5%)
9 - Cripps - 13 (4.5%)
15 - Docherty - 13 (4.5%)
33 - Everitt - 13 (4.5%)
40 - Jamison - 13 (4.5%)
41 - Casboult - 13 (4.5%)
42 - Tuohy - 13 (4.5%)
7 - Buckley - 12 (4.2%)
28 - Bell - 12 (4.2%)
32 - Graham - 12 (4.2%)
Probables
2 - Menzel - 11 (3.8%)
23 - Henderson - 11 (3.8%)
27 - Armfield - 11 (3.8%)
13 - Yarran - 10 (3.5%)
39 - Thomas - 10 (3.5%)
Possibles
35 - Curnow - 9 (3.1%)
43 - White - 9 (3.1%)
17 - Rowe - 8 (2.8%)
44 - Carrazzo - 7 (2.4%)
1 - Walker - 6 (2.1%)
36 - Wood - 6 (2.1%)
Probably not
12 - Boekhorst - 4 (1.4%)
20 - Holman - 4 (1.4%)
21 - Sheehan - 4 (1.4%)
38 - Byrne - 4 (1.4%)
25 - Smith - 2 (0.7%)
11 - Warnock - 1 (0.3%)
18 - Jaksch - 1 (0.3%)
31 - Dick - 1 (0.3%)
34 - Walsh - 1 (0.3%)
Unlikely
5 - Judd - 0 (0%)
10 - Watson - 0 (0%)
14 - Jones - 0 (0%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow - 0 (0%)
19 - Giles - 0 (0%)
22 - Tutt - 0 (0%)
24 - Whiley - 0 (0%)
26 - Foster - 0 (0%)
29 - Gowers - 0 (0%)
30 - Johnson - 0 (0%)
37 - Fields - 0 (0%)
46 - Ellard - 0 (0%)
47 - Russell - 0 (0%)
Time for a revote courtesy of our new found cellar dweller status.
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
Lets try and get some more votes in here
OK, this last 'best 22' poll for the season.
Once completed i will compile all the results to see what, if any, trends are clear.
Here are the results from the last poll...
STARTERS
3 - Murphy 16 (4.5%)
6 - Simpson 16 (4.5%)
7 - Buckley 16 (4.5%)
8 - Kreuzer 16 (4.5%)
9 - Cripps 16 (4.5%)
15 - Docherty 16 (4.5%)
41 - Casboult 16 (4.5%)
42 - Tuohy 16 (4.5%)
4 - Gibbs 15 (4.3%)
33 - Everitt 15 (4.3%)
1 - Walker 14 (4%)
32 - Graham 14 (4%)
35 - Curnow 14 (4%)
40 - Jamison 14 (4%)
PROBABLES
2 - Menzel 13 (3.7%)
43 - White 13 (3.7%)
39 - Thomas 12 (3.4%)
12 - Boekhorst 11 (3.1%)
17 - Rowe 10 (2.8%)
18 - Jaksch 10 (2.8%)
20 - Holman 10 (2.8%)
28 - Bell 10 (2.8%)
POSSIBLES
27 - Armfield 7 (2%)
13 - Yarran 6 (1.7%)
21 - Sheehan 6 (1.7%)
38 - Byrne 6 (1.7%)
36 - Wood 5 (1.4%)
44 - Carrazzo 5 (1.4%)
PROBABLY NOT
23 - Henderson 4 (1.1%)
24 - Whiley 3 (0.9%)
5 - Judd 2 (0.6%)
19 - Giles 2 (0.6%)
34 - Walsh 2 (0.6%)
25 - Smith 1 (0.3%)
UNLIKELY
10 - Watson 0 (0%)
11 - Warnock 0 (0%)
14 - Jones 0 (0%)
16 - Viojo-Rainbow 0 (0%)
22 - Tutt 0 (0%)
26 - Foster 0 (0%)
29 - Gowers 0 (0%)
30 - Johnson 0 (0%)
31 - Dick 0 (0%)
37 - Fields 0 (0%)
46 - Ellard 0 (0%)
47 - Russell 0 (0%)
http://users.tpg.com.au/jrhass/teamboard.swf
Anyone else wanna have a vote in this before i sift through the results?
It's interesting that Jaksch received so many votes. It's either wishful thinking, recognition of his apparent potential or acknowledging that we're rubbish :-\
Hopefully, it is about his potential and I will be able to jump on the bandwaggon next season :)
It's interesting that Jaksch received so many votes. It's either wishful thinking, recognition of his apparent potential or acnowledging that we're rubbish :-\
I think he probably picked up a few votes for his last couple of games of the year.
While nothing spectacular he showed a few glimpses that were an improvement on his early season efforts.
I think he probably picked up a few votes for his last couple of games of the year.
While nothing spectacular he showed a few glimpses that were an improvement on his early season efforts.
I missed those games so my perception is probably not as current as other folk.
I thought he showed a bit early on so, if he's improved on that, we may have a player.
I missed those games so my perception is probably not as current as other folk.
I thought he showed a bit early on so, if he's improved on that, we may have a player.
I worry about Jaksch, I know he is very young but his early performance so far is very Liam Jones like!
If Touhy has another shocker at the start of the year, he goes out and Sheehan comes in for mine. Happy to try Jone first up but Watto comes straight in if he fails early. Hard to pick the side which is good, we are starting to get some depth or at the very least, aggressive competition for spots.
Ummm, 3rd in the B & F. Really?
Can we add Tomlinson, Plowman. Sumner, Weitering and Lamb in our 22?
Ummm, 3rd in the B & F. Really?
And coach's team.
Can we add Tomlinson, Plowman. Sumner, Weitering and Lamb in our 22?
Save it for 2016. ;)
Ummm, 3rd in the B & F. Really?
Watto? Delisted, yes?
He quoted a post from January 8.
Back then that was relevant discussion.
Watto? Delisted, yes?
We not talking Touhy?
We not talking Touhy?
On the 8/1/2015 apparently.
It's a bit of a trap with long running threads
The comments regarding Tuohy were probably pretty fair back then.
He didn't have a great 2014.
The suggestion was that if he didn't have a better start to the year he'd be under a bit of pressure to keep his spot.
He's turned it around in a big way.
Good Luck with this now.
What a lottery!
Plowman and Lamb I think will play Rnd 1, Sumner is very small and we already have too many tiny bodied players and I dont us playing three ruckman so no Philips...Kerridge would also play IMO along with Weitering..
Defenders - Buckley, Docherty, Viojo-Rainbow, Rowe, Dick, Jamison, Touhy, Sheehan, Byrne, Fields, Plowman, Weitering
Forwards - Walker, Boekhurst, Jones, Jacksh, Tutt, Smith, Foster, Armfield, Everitt, Casboult, Lamb
Rucks - Kruezer, Phillips, Wood, Korcheck
Mids - Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Cripps, Holman, Whiley, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, White, Walsh, Gowers, Kerridge, Sumner
FB Buckley Jamison Touhy
HB Plowman Weitering Docherty
C Thomas Gibbs Simpson
R Kruezer Cripps Murphy
HF Walker Jacksh Graham
FF Everitt Casboult Lamb
I Curnow Bryne Kerridge White
FB Sheehan Jones Dick
HB V-Rainbow Rowe Fields
C Sumner Walsh Gowers
R Phillips Holman Whiley
HF Boekhurst Foster Armfield
FF Smith Wood Tutt
I Korcheck
A big forward, and mids needed in this draft
That is a seriously shallow midfield. Loss of Judd, Carrazzo and Bell will hurt
90% agree with that.
I'd have Sheehan instead of Byrne because he has the bigger body. I'd have Sumner instead of Lamb - both are small forward types but I rate one and think the other isn't much chop. And I have Blaine B instead of White because we need to play Blaine as much as possible and I don't rate White.
But the rest - spot on.
Defenders - Buckley, Docherty, Viojo-Rainbow, Rowe, Dick, Jamison, Touhy, Sheehan, Byrne, Fields, Plowman, Weitering
Forwards - Walker, Boekhurst, Jones, Jacksh, Tutt, Smith, Foster, Armfield, Everitt, Casboult, Lamb
Rucks - Kruezer, Phillips, Wood, Korcheck
Mids - Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Cripps, Holman, Whiley, Graham, Curnow, Thomas, White, Walsh, Gowers, Kerridge, Sumner
FB Buckley Jamison Touhy
HB Plowman Weitering Docherty
C Thomas Gibbs Simpson
R Kruezer Cripps Murphy
HF Walker Jacksh Graham
FF Everitt Casboult Lamb
I Curnow Bryne Kerridge White
FB Sheehan Jones Dick
HB V-Rainbow Rowe Fields
C Sumner Walsh Gowers
R Phillips Holman Whiley
HF Boekhurst Foster Armfield
FF Smith Phillips Tutt
I Korcheck
A big forward, and mids needed in this draft
Rowe befoer Jaksch until the latter steps up....even Phillips for that matter.
Rowe befoer Jaksch until the latter steps up....even Phillips for that matter.
Jaksch will go forward next year. It's why we recruited him. Gave him time first before moving him there.
Jaksch will go forward next year. It's why we recruited him. Gave him timd first before moving him there
I'm still really confident on Jaksch. Just wish he could put on another 15kg.
I'm still really confident on Jaksch. Just wish he could put on another 15kg.
15kg you say??
(http://www.shopmusclefit.com/image.php/thumb.jpg?width=800&height=500&type=znak&image=/sustanon_pharmatec_organon.JPG)
Maybe the stuff the scum used... don't know what it was, but it clearly wasn't anything on the proscribed list.
Maybe the stuff the scum used... don't know what it was, but it clearly wasn't anything on the proscribed list.
Reckon? Maybe someone should investigate it??
I'm still really confident on Jaksch. Just wish he could put on another 15kg.
I could help him there - I find it quite easy. :)
Jaksch will go forward next year. It's why we recruited him. Gave him timd first before moving him there
Agree....I rate him and think he will be a player, watched him the NB's and he was a class above all those players we had masquerading around as footballers....
I could help him there - I find it quite easy. :)
Lol!!!
I'm sure Essendon could help him too!
What is our budget for specialist coaches looking like? Can we get this guy to take Jaksch under his wing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfkGFL1uHAc