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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
So what you're saying is given where all the teams are currently.

We would play against GC, Freo, Adelaide, St. Kilda, Brisbane, Bulldogs twice....as well as 2 new teams twice.

But wouldn't play against Collingwood or Richmond at all....and Essendon just sneak into the bottom section, but would most likely go up the next year meaning that we wouldn't play any of the other big 4 (including traditionals Melbourne, Hawthorn and Geelong).

Yeah, nah.

Not many games for me to get excited about seeing. With teams like that our gate takings would fall through the floor as well as interest in the team. $'s would dry up. We hand back the keys.

Good plan  :P ;)

It's not going to happen of course.The divisions/conferences I posted were just a  starting point. It would be very flexible and top drawing teams would be moving up and down on a regular basis but promotion/ relegation is not a concept that would be easily sold to the masses. I don't mind your conference set up. There is a different problem though with the fixed conferences you outlined earlier in the thread. The AFL wouldn't approve a conference with all the top drawing sides in one group as occurs in your East group. If I was Swans official I wouldn't be too happy with my place in the North conference. It's hard to make everyone happy.The only fair system is every team playing the other twice. We'll have to wait for a few dropouts.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
The draw is easy, everyone plays eachother twice......for a total of 38 games?

Why not just have the current system and do the same thing and end up with 34 games?

The reason why is that its too many games, the AFL, players and every man and his dog doesn't want that many games.

So on that point alone, the rest of the 'system' is irrelevent. It won't work.

Players want less games.
Supporters want less bias.
AFL want more attractive football.

Thus, my proposed system.

That was poorly written on my part, and poorly interpreted on your part. ;D
You would only play the other teams in your division. You would play them twice. A total of 18 games -Home and Away-Plus a four or five team final series. Less games, much simpler.  If you want to call it a conference and do away with the promotion /relegation fine.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
You guys who want a relegation will find a hell of a lot more opposition to the idea than what i've suggested.
I'm not sure that there is any benefits either.

I can see pretty quickly that teams will come and go...and by that i mean from the entire competition Fitzroy style.

The AFL want equilization, not segregation.

Under my system, all i'm doing is creating a fair draw that cannot be altered by the powers that be to suit their agenda.

You are right of course. It's not going to come in. There would be too much resistance. It's just throwing out a discussion. I'm not sure I'd even like to see it so I'll have one last go and finish up.  ;D

Relegation would not have the same impact in a ten team division as it would in a competition like the 20 team EPL
Clubs would still be supported, sponsored and receive the same coverage as they do now.
Would anyone be less supportive of Carlton in Division 2?  I doubt it! They would be anticipating the rise.  :D
Teams would move regularly between divisions. The draw would be pretty simple. Each teams plays each other twice -Home and Away
Division 1 play a four or five team finals competition. Division 2 play a four or five team finals competition.

Take this years finishing order and add a couple of teams.

    DIVISION 1
RICHMOND
WEST COAST
COLLINGWOOD
HAWTHORN
MELBOURNE
SYDNEY
GWS
GEELONG
NORTH MELBOURNE
PORT ADELAIDE

  DIVISION 2
ESSENDON
ADELAIDE
WESTERN BULLDOGS
FREMANTLE
BRISBANE
ST KILDA
GOLD COAST
CARLTON
TASMANIA
CANBERRA

The division 2 teams couldn't be premiers this year. They're not going to be anyway. ;D
Essendon and Adelaide are going up to Division 1 (depending on whether you play a finals series in division 2)
North and Port are going down to Division 2.
With good recruiting Carlton are a chance to move up at the end of next year.

Now take away the promotion/ relegation and there are your conferences, so we pretty much agree ;D ;D
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
You would have to overhaul the player system too.

Imagine Patrick Cripps languishing in Division 2?

If you mess with the player system then you create the problem of making it difficult for weaker teams to advance. What happens now in the EPL if a quality player finds himself in a relegated team?

I was a bit tongue in cheek when I took up your EPL idea. Having thought about it though, it wouldn't be the same as EPL.
With 10 teams per division, rather than 20, interest in Division 2 would only be marginally less than Division 1 because with smaller divisions than the EPL have teams would be moving back and forth regularly.
Rusted on fans  of Carlton, St Kilda, Adelaide etc would still be a passionate. Coverage of games wouldn't change much with the addition of two extra sides. Add the extra consideration that your team has a 20% chance of dropping or advancing to another division. It adds a bit of excitement to the end of the season. You certainly wouldn't get a lot of tanking. ;D

I don't know. What would be the advantages of being in Division 1. Premiership prestige? Maybe we're getting back to a Conference system rather than a Division system. Ideally a reduction in sides to around 14 that allows for a complete Home/Away fixture may be the simplest and fairest way to resolve any advantage /disadvantage.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
One major difference between AFL and EPL is 100's of millions of people interested in it.

AFL is struggling from saturation now, more games and teams is probably not ideal.

A couple more would make little difference and be balanced be the promotion/relegation anticipation.
We're mot talking too many more games
The more I think about it the more I think it could work.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
Initially, sure.

Long term? No hope.

How many kids are going to grow up supporting Div 2 sides. Especially when they wouldn't get as much (if any) air time by comparison.

But it would be changing all the time with 2 up 2 down
A 20% change every year. It would be a pretty stinking club that was stuck in Division 2 for very long.
Fox would cream themselves broadcasting every Premier League and divvy 2 game.
There wouldn't be as much difference between a 10 team AFL and its 2nd division as there is between a 20 team English Premier League and its 2nd divison.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
Under 1 of my original suggestions i eluded to earlier, i suggested the same addition of those 2 teams.

It would make the whole conference/division system a million times easier to implement, understand and manipulate to give better results.

Problem with the 2 up and 2 down type scenario is the salary cap, and retention of players from the lower clubs.

And we'd be stuck in Division 2 :(
I wonder though ( just being serious for a moment. ;))
I reckon there would be as much interest in the club even if they were languishing in that second division.
Sponsorship, gate receipts, memberships even broadcast rights would still be strong for all those D2 sides.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW announce 'conferences' for 2019
If we were going to copy another competition,  I'd rather copy the English Premier League.

Play each team twice home and away.  At the end of a 34 game season you have your Premier.

Most consistent team wins the league.




Add a team from Tasmania and Canberra.
Have a ten team Premier league (AFL).
Have a ten team Divison 2
Promotion and relegation.
Each team plays each other twice.
18 game season with finals.
Top 2 Teams (D2)go up.
Bottom 2 (AFL) go down.

Oops!
Bad idea ::)