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On the 3rd of April we play Sydney. An interesting game considering we played Sydney at Etihad just a few weeks back.
of the guys who played on Thursday, Dylan Buckley probably had the least impact. His spot would be the most likely to be available.

Ciaran Byrne is the guy most likely to be promoted on his last effort. It would be harder to promote Charlie Curnow, Smith or Whiley simply because they didn't play and couldn't impress.

Walker is another possible option to be dropped: he started well enough but fell out of the game like he'd been shot. A week or 2 in the Magoos may help his fitness and confidence.
Not a high probability change.

Everitt will probably retain his spot: 17 possessions and a couple of VERY nice goals probably cancels out his less than optimum work rate.

Lamb is another guy who might be considered: he was OK without doing a heap. His defensive pressure is much more obvious than anything Everitt has done.

I would be surprised if Thomas doesn't get a run, not that I necessarily think that he's entitled to a game.

Buckley has to be vulnerable and I reckon Lamb could make way too; one tackle isn't good enough for a bloke who is supposed to help lock the ball into the forward 50.

I'd like to see Byrne get a game.  His run is important but he's got some attitude to go with it.

White may be another who the selectors will look at.

We still don't have the depth and blokes in the NBs demanding games but it will be interesting to see how the MC responds to average performances.

I reckon Bolton will go in with the same team TBH, they had a good crack, give them another go.

I reckon Bolton will go in with the same team TBH, they had a good crack, give them another go.

White will get dropped imo. Made a couple of big errors. Lamb i thought was pretty good.

I reckon Bolton will go in with the same team TBH, they had a good crack, give them another go.

I thought he virtually guaranteed Daisy a run so I'm expecting at least one change.

White for Daisy?

I would be surprised if Thomas doesn't get a run, not that I necessarily think that he's entitled to a game.

Buckley has to be vulnerable and I reckon Lamb could make way too; one tackle isn't good enough for a bloke who is supposed to help lock the ball into the forward 50.

I'd like to see Byrne get a game.  His run is important but he's got some attitude to go with it.

White may be another who the selectors will look at.

We still don't have the depth and blokes in the NBs demanding games but it will be interesting to see how the MC responds to average performances.

BB pretty much said in his presser that Daisy would come in and Buckley would be vulnerable IMO. I think we'll retain White for his toughness against the Swans. Byrne would be a good addition but who goes out for him? Not sure - he may have to wait a little longer.

Changes won't be easy as Buckley was the only player to have a truly bad game. Even then it was probably just a bad one but then again you'd want Byrne to come in. Like Jaksch to come in for White as I think we need a 2nd key forward to help Casboult. Bar the 2 awful errors in the 2nd qtr, which cost us a goal, he wasn't too bad.

Daisy will probably come in but i'm not sure who for. If it was a choice to pick Byrne or Daisy I'd go Byrne first as his form in the VFL has been so good.

So did Charlie miss playing the VFL and the main game due to being an emergency?

If this is so then I think Bolts might give him a go up forward and just shift Cas up to CHF.

Syd are a relative tall team aren't they? Who will stand Franklin?

On the 3rd of April we play Sydney. An interesting game considering we played Sydney at Etihad just a few weeks back.
of the guys who played on Thursday, Dylan Buckley probably had the least impact. His spot would be the most likely to be available.

Ciaran Byrne is the guy most likely to be promoted on his last effort. It would be harder to promote Charlie Curnow, Smith or Whiley simply because they didn't play and couldn't impress.

Walker is another possible option to be dropped: he started well enough but fell out of the game like he'd been shot. A week or 2 in the Magoos may help his fitness and confidence.
Not a high probability change.

Everitt will probably retain his spot: 17 possessions and a couple of VERY nice goals probably cancels out his less than optimum work rate.

Lamb is another guy who might be considered: he was OK without doing a heap. His defensive pressure is much more obvious than anything Everitt has done.

Thought Walker wasn't too bad. Used his body well for a couple of lovely marks. Wouldn't be dropping him.

Yes, Everitt, for all his criticisms, does take marks and hits the scoreboard regularly.

So did Charlie miss playing the VFL and the main game due to being an emergency?

If this is so then I think Bolts might give him a go up forward and just shift Cas up to CHF.

Syd are a relative tall team aren't they? Who will stand Franklin?

Hmmm, Rowe or Jamo?? LOL. Maybe give the keys to Weitering and see how well he can drive.

So did Charlie miss playing the VFL and the main game due to being an emergency?

If this is so then I think Bolts might give him a go up forward and just shift Cas up to CHF.

Why would C.Curnow get a game, when nothing he has done yet even closely resembles a KPF at AFL level?

If they change the structure this week, which I don't think they will, bring in Gorringe, at least he's kicked some goals at VFL level against AFL listed opponents and has the body to cope with a seasoned team like Sydney.

Why would C.Curnow get a game, when nothing he has done yet even closely resembles a KPF at AFL level?

If they change the structure this week, which I don't think they will, bring in Gorringe, at least he's kicked some goals at VFL level against AFL listed opponents and has the body to cope with a seasoned team like Sydney.

If C.Curnow was to play he might be forward but not KP yet. Mightn't be quite ready for that.

With Sydney pounded Collingwood into the SCG turf, our task is looking somewhat more difficult....
However, given our performance a couple of weeks back, maybe we were not that bad either.

With Sydney pounded Collingwood into the SCG turf, our task is looking somewhat more difficult....
However, given our performance a couple of weeks back, maybe we were not that bad either.

Could get ugly but the Swans might be more complacent after belting the Pies....

Rottingwood started last season stinking the place up... but not to this extent.

How sweet it is!

This could be ugly for us. 

Meanwhile the Essendon score flattered them, and Sydney could easily be up by more.

Even if we match them in other areas of the ground we do not have a forward line capable of kicking a winning score.
The best we can hope for is a four quarter effort, but it's going to be a frustrating year if that's our best hope.

Even if we match them in other areas of the ground we do not have a forward line capable of kicking a winning score.
The best we can hope for is a four quarter effort, but it's going to be a frustrating year if that's our best hope.

in your opinion. Simple fact is if a few of our 'forwards' had kicked straighter Thursday night we would have won comfortably.

A lot can change in a week.....

Even if we match them in other areas of the ground we do not have a forward line capable of kicking a winning score.
The best we can hope for is a four quarter effort, but it's going to be a frustrating year if that's our best hope.

Our losing score against Richmond was higher than the scores managed by four of the teams that played on Saturday.

We need to be scoring around 100 points in each game, and we should have managed that on Thursday.  I don't think that Bolton is concerned about who kicks the goals, it's more about how we score.  If we can lock the ball inside the forward 50, as we did against Richmond, the goals will come.

If our mids have the ball it is hard for opposing forwards to kick goals.

If our mids have the ball it is hard for opposing forwards to kick goals.

Agree...I felt our mids dropped out of the contest in the last quarter vs the Tigers and our 2nd stringers couldnt pick up the slack vs average opposition....
If we can get four quarters out of everyone and players like Waker and Casboult can kick straight then we can make it a contest.
Kruezer needs to dominate this week...I feel he didnt do enough vs the Tigers and if he can play well and drag Tippett into the ruck and away from the forward line more often then it might help our
cause...

If our mids have the ball it is hard for opposing forwards to kick goals.

Nice in theory, but Sydney have the strongest mid-field in the competition at the moment.

They get to rotate in players like Mitchell, Heeney and Parker through the midfield to give guys like Kennedy, Hannebery and Jack a chop out! :o

They give Tippett the ruck role and he did well, then Franklin gets in at the odd centre bounce and plays like an onballer.

While I understand the fact that if our midfield dominate and we keep the ball for long periods in our forward line the goals will come....I'm afraid I just don't see us dominating teams like Sydney to that extent. ;)

Our best chance for a win in this game will be if they underestimate us and after they have had an easy run against Collingwood we take them by surprise.

While I understand the fact that if our midfield dominate and we keep the ball for long periods in our forward line the goals will come....I'm afraid I just don't see us dominating teams like Sydney to that extent. ;)

Our best chance for a win in this game will be if they underestimate us and after they have had an easy run against Collingwood we take them by surprise.

I would have thought that was our best chance for a five goal loss. ;D

I would have thought that was our best chance for a five goal loss. ;D

I was thinking it....But I don't want to be a pessimist. :D
It could get very nasty.....but I'm hoping we put up a bit of a fight.

I was thinking it....But I don't want to be a pessimist. :D
It could get very nasty.....but I'm hoping we put up a bit of a fight.

That's it mate. If we give our all and show plenty but Sydney show up and play at their best there's no too much we can do. JUst don't want to fall away after putting up such a great effort on Thursday.

Not saying we will win, but don't pump up Sydney too much based on last night... Pies were a rabble and wouldn't have beaten anyone based on the footy I've watched so far.

Can't see us winning against Buddy & Tippet, but hopefully we can replicate Thurs nights effort.

I'll be there again and I just want us to play to the best of our potential - a 4 quarter all out effort. We can't really ask for more and the result will depend on that, just give it a red hot go and give ourselves a chance!

That's it mate. If we give our all and show plenty but Sydney show up and play at their best there's no too much we can do. JUst don't want to fall away after putting up such a great effort on Thursday.

Some weeks we will compete well for most quarters other weeks we won't and we'll get beat.

We know where we are at, and we have a lot of work to do, but we have to become comfortable being uncomfortable.

Gonna be one ugly afternoon for us.....not looking to this game one little bit.

Gonna be one ugly afternoon for us.....not looking to this game one little bit.

Thought the same last week. The Pies headed into the season as a top 4 challenger.

Footy is a funny game.

I'll be happy if we lose by less than the Pies did !!

This will be a real character test for us this week, here's hoping that the Blue boys put up a good fight and show some pride in the jumper.

Swans will be backing up off an easy game, and us the opposite. So we aren't without a chance but you would think Sydney would have too much class and experience in the end.

Hate to say I called it, but I would persist with Buckley as the forward pressure player. We need his pace trying to lock down the ball in our forward end.

Thought the same last week. The Pies headed into the season as a top 4 challenger.

Footy is a funny game.

Who said they were top 4 other than some media nuff-nuffs no doubt trying to pander to Eddie Everywhere?

Poor forward line, ordinary back line and a lot of the mids are still kids......just a big beat up.

Swans are weaker in the ruck department. I recall Kreuzer playing a blinder against Sydney at a Etihad. We had a good look at them 3 weeks ago. We will push them. Don't be surprised if we squeek home.

Gonna be one ugly afternoon for us.....not looking to this game one little bit.

I am. I saw nothing but positives (mostly) from Thus night. BB said look for sprouts and there were plenty. The weeds he will pull out, that I am certain of. I really rate Sydney, to be the best you have to beat the best. Given we are at, I doubt we will beat them but if we are going to be beaten, I want to see that we are very hard to beat at the very least. I am confident under BB we wont dish up what the Filth did the other night. I know it was only NAB Challenge but we did more than ok against them minus Murphy who was very good vs the Tiggers despite being short of a gallop. Especially in the midfield. Buddy and Tippet will be handfuls for us, and ES is not a happy hunting ground for us but I am looking fwd to the challenge.
Go Blues.

Gonna be one ugly afternoon for us.....not looking to this game one little bit.

Look forward to your team rating.....I reckon a C- would probably do for a ugly loss.. ;)

Going to be a much harder fought game than many think but class will prevail in the end you'd imagine.

We have an extra two days rest so we should run out the game just as well as they do. I'm predicting that Franklin will cause too many problems in the forward line (not too worried about Tippett).

IN: Gorringe, Thomas
OUT: Casboult, Buckley

Byrne unlucky.
Casboult's kicking is a liability. It'd be different if he was getting 5 or 6 shots on goal and kicking 2 each game. But he's not kicking any as a permanent forward.

Casboult won't be getting dropped any time soon.

If gorringe comes in it will be at someone else's expense.

Can't afford to drop Casboult.   At worst he'll get the number one defender and at best he will get the second best defender.

Blues by 69 points

I sort of agree with those suggesting Levi be dropped. My reasoning is:
- We have tried him there and it doesnt seem to have worked (ie his kicking is still woeful)
- If its a confidence thing, he should go to the 2's like anyone else and work on the deficiencies until the are rectified.
If however he is there to do a multitude of roles (ie like back up ruck) and he is doing them as per instructions, then I can understand why he is being kept in the side. I can also understand that given he is an elite mark, then as long as we have the ball in our hands, its better than it falling to ground and gathered by the opo defenders.
Levi frustrates the hell out of supporters because he is a terrific kid, a hard trainer and does everything right...except kick feckin goals. Maybe we just need to chilax given its just rnd 1 of a new dawn. He might just click one day, just hope its sooner rather than later.

Blues by 69 points

We'll be lucky to kick 69 pts

We'll be lucky to kick 69 pts

Any club goss jeffy?

Casboult won't be getting dropped any time soon.

If gorringe comes in it will be at someone else's expense.

Can't afford to drop Casboult.   At worst he'll get the number one defender and at best he will get the second best defender.

Exactly!

Gorringe will have to do more than kick 3 goals in a VFL practice match before he takes anyone's spot.  He has been groomed for a third tall role but I can't see him displacing Everitt and he's well behind Phillips as second ruck.

Any club goss jeffy?

Nah mate, tighter than a snare drum these days which is in itself a good thing.

Too soon for Levi to get dropped IMO. I think BB will persevere with him for 2 - 3 games to see if he can come good, and hopefully provide him with some assistance to practice his goal kicking in the meantime. We have to really find out for sure about him and there aren't too many other similar alternatives atm.

My tip would be one change only, Daisy in, probably for Buckley.

Too soon for Levi to get dropped IMO. I think BB will persevere with him for 2 - 3 games to see if he can come good, and hopefully provide him with some assistance to practice his goal kicking in the meantime. We have to really find out for sure about him and there aren't too many other similar alternatives atm.

My tip would be one change only, Daisy in, probably for Buckley.

I really don't think Levi's goal kicking is all that important to Bolton.  It's whether he plays his role in the team that will determine whether he gets a game or not.  Kicking a few goals will help though.

I was thinking Daisy for Buckley but I'm not so sure now.  Daisy won't provide the defensive pressure in the forward 50 that Buckley did.  I think that Daisy will come in, but I'm not sure who will go out.

I really don't think Levi's goal kicking is all that important to Bolton.  It's whether he plays his role in the team that will determine whether he gets a game or not.  Kicking a few goals will help though.

I was thinking Daisy for Buckley but I'm not so sure now.  Daisy won't provide the defensive pressure in the forward 50 that Buckley did.  I think that Daisy will come in, but I'm not sure who will go out.

I guess the pressure on Levi to kick goals depends very much on whether we can find other avenues to goal. If we can and Levi can provide a marking target that can set up attacking plays and cause problems for opposition defences plus kick the odd goal then agree, he would be safer.

Agree, finding someone to make way for Daisy is not an easy choice, so if Daisy does come in he better put in a good one!  ;)

I really don't think Levi's goal kicking is all that important to Bolton.  It's whether he plays his role in the team that will determine whether he gets a game or not.  Kicking a few goals will help though.

I was thinking Daisy for Buckley but I'm not so sure now.  Daisy won't provide the defensive pressure in the forward 50 that Buckley did.  I think that Daisy will come in, but I'm not sure who will go out.

Personally I would think dropping Buckley on the back of a "bad" one is a step in the wrong direction. Firstly, I say bad in inverted commas because he may have ticked every box the coach asked him to tick and we perceive as bad, the coach may know is is good. Secondly, if Buckley is part of the future, which from all reports he is, he deserves to be persisted with given where he is at in his growth. He deserves more than one bad one before he is chopped. To me, White was alot worse and should face the the chop ahead of DB.

Swans are the bench mark this year, if we play like we did last week we might get within 10 goals.

Nah mate, tighter than a snare drum these days which is in itself a good thing.

Mate you are 0/1050 anyway.

Mate you are 0/1050 anyway.

Haha pay that. ????

I used to be here under the some of bigrocks who had a slightly better hit rate.

I guess the pressure on Levi to kick goals depends very much on whether we can find other avenues to goal. If we can and Levi can provide a marking target that can set up attacking plays and cause problems for opposition defences plus kick the odd goal then agree, he would be safer.

Agree, finding someone to make way for Daisy is not an easy choice, so if Daisy does come in he better put in a good one!  ;)

Personally I would think dropping Buckley on the back of a "bad" one is a step in the wrong direction. Firstly, I say bad in inverted commas because he may have ticked every box the coach asked him to tick and we perceive as bad, the coach may know is is good. Secondly, if Buckley is part of the future, which from all reports he is, he deserves to be persisted with given where he is at in his growth. He deserves more than one bad one before he is chopped. To me, White was alot worse and should face the the chop ahead of DB.

Inexperienced players get in the way inside F50, that is what Buckley was doing last Thursday, getting in the way.

It's a player like Daisy that will allow Casboult to get up the ground and away from goal, I'd love to see Daisy and Walker spending time within F50 together. They are both smart players who get to the right places which is key to F50 success, they won't close off space ball hunting they will open it up by dragging opponents away or demanding the ball when they are open. Buckley dragged opponents to the contest and called for the ball when he had nowhere to go more than once when he should have been protecting the ball carrier.

Our F50 looked much better when McLean, Waite, Henderson and Walker worked well together "when" given the opportunity. Casboult can play the Waite role, he is quite mobile and a reasonable field kick. Daisy is a suitable substitute for McLean, he is smart and won't sh1t on team-mates trying to get a kick. Walker just needs to keep being Walker, and there are plenty to substitute for Henderson.

It's a big test for Bolton and the list this week. Sydney are in red hot form and have been able to get a look at how we are likely to set up for most of this season excluding injuries.

Sydney have the numbers to counter Gibbs and Murphy in the midfield, it will be interesting to see what Bolton does when these players get sat on by an opposition. Also what Bolton does to deal with the likes of Franklin and Tippett.

It's a big test for Bolton and the list this week. Sydney are in red hot form and have been able to get a look at how we are likely to set up for most of this season excluding injuries.

Sydney have the numbers to counter Gibbs and Murphy in the midfield, it will be interesting to see what Bolton does when these players get sat on by an opposition. Also what Bolton does to deal with the likes of Franklin and Tippett.

Don't forget Cripps, Boekhurst, Graham, Kerridge, Wright and Curnow.

Again, we match up pretty well in the mids. Curnow on Parker, maybe Wright on Hannebury (sp?)?

Their monster mid Kennedy is a full 6cm shorter than Cripps though kg wise probably similar?

If Tippett's rucking a lot, that's an immediate win for us......

No McVeigh a big plus for us too.....

Who gets Buddy?

Swans are the bench mark this year, if we play like we did last week we might get within 10 goals.

x2 Winning this will probably be the most significant win since we did Geelong and St Kilda over in 2010 but far more so given our position

It's a big test for Bolton and the list this week. Sydney are in red hot form and have been able to get a look at how we are likely to set up for most of this season excluding injuries.

Sydney have the numbers to counter Gibbs and Murphy in the midfield, it will be interesting to see what Bolton does when these players get sat on by an opposition. Also what Bolton does to deal with the likes of Franklin and Tippett.

I thought that we had quite an edge over Sydney's midfield in the NAB game.  Both were below full strength but I don't think that's the part of the game that will be giving Bolton headaches.  A lot will depend on whether we can lock the ball inside forward 50.

Don't forget Cripps, Boekhurst, Graham, Kerridge, Wright and Curnow.

Again, we match up pretty well in the mids. Curnow on Parker, maybe Wright on Hannebury (sp?)?

Their monster mid Kennedy is a full 6cm shorter than Cripps though kg wise probably similar?

If Tippett's rucking a lot, that's an immediate win for us......

No McVeigh a big plus for us too.....

Who gets Buddy?

Hannebury needs Cornow IMO. or maybe Gibbs....he is the major wheel now for the SWans now and their best player IMO.......I'd have Docherty on Parker..
Kennedy  and Cripps might play on each other but if Cripps is dominating I would expect Hannebury to pick him up...
Jack will get Murphy and that will be tough tag for the skipper who played and led well last week...

Buddy is back in town and looks keen which doesnt bode well for us....reckon he will get tag teamed through the game, dont think we have the one player who can go with him all day...
Interesting to see how the Swans next wave of mids ie Mitchell, Mills, Heeney go vs ours ie Graham, Boekhorst, Buckey(if he plays)...

Kennedy is a monster in comparison to Cripps.  However, looks can be deceiving and I suspect Cripps has similar strength.

Curnow ran with Kennedy in the NAB game and shut him down quite well.  At stoppages Kennedy was going to Cripps and Curnow would pick up another Swan.  Once Cripps got the clearance, Curnow would pick up Kennedy again.

Looking at what happened in the Tigers game the 4Q is where it could all come apart for us as our engine room tires and the Swans depth and power keeps going relentlessly. It's a massive challenge for us.

I think Collingwoods's mid-field is pretty thin and the fact they lost Swan in the first 10 minutes didn't help, so I don't think we will be swamped by Sydney like Collingwood was. I also think Sydney were pretty amped up for the return of Buddy so I am not sure they will be as committed as they were last round, though managing Buddy is going to be a challenge. I think we will be pretty competitive but our problem will be kicking enough goals though Sydney's defence isn't as strong as it has been in the past. i am hoping it will be a pretty good game.

Looking at what happened in the Tigers game the 4Q is where it could all come apart for us as our engine room tires and the Swans depth and power keeps going relentlessly. It's a massive challenge for us.

I think it was more our boys dropped their heads somewhat (and understandably so) when first Kerridge (running into an open goal) then Levi after marking missed badly.

That stopped our momentum cold.

If those two or even just one had been a goal i reckon we would have won by 40 as Richmond would have dropped their heads...

Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps will all be better/fitter for the full run too.

Got all our bad goal kicking out of our system last week. On that basis we'll kick 20.1 and win. Levi to kick 8.0

Hanneberry was knocked out... any chance he'll miss? Franklin also hurt his shoulder.

Fingers crossed.

I anticipate a similar game to NAB3. We've got Murphy back and Cripps will play a full game so should be a little stronget but a lot depends on what the truer form line is for Sydney... nab3 or round 1. Obviously you'd think the latter but we won't know until Sunday.

Byrne just has to play. White out?

Murphy, Gibbs and Cripps will all be better/fitter for the full run too.

There is some weak mail that Murphy might be out, allegedly hasn't pulled up so well!

i think we have stop there run from defence(wen we bomb it long)and they run it out with handballs and find find there fwd line open with space everyhere for buddy, tippet,parker etc etc. Must kick that ball to our advantage not to contest all the time.

We just need to play like we did last week, and if we can lessen the errors and make the most of our easy shots at goal, who knows?

We just need to play like we did last week, and if we can lessen the errors and make the most of our easy shots at goal, who knows?

Agreed. We're a work in progress but plenty of good signs from Thursday. Take the chances that come your way and indeed, who knows!

Tigers have beaten the Swans the last few times they have played i think?

No one is saying it's going to be easy but it surely would shut up many of our media detractors!

We just need to play like we did last week, and if we can lessen the errors and make the most of our easy shots at goal, who knows?

x2. Also, Hanneberry is a chance to miss due to his concussion which might help.

We just need to play like we did last week, and if we can lessen the errors and make the most of our easy shots at goal, who knows?

And keep up the intensity for 4 quarters.

Yep there's a bit of a point of difference from some on here. I say we tired earlier than the Tiges, others are saying we switched off at the wrong time. Could even be a bit of both. I thought we looked tired towards the end of the third quarter as well. Yes we worked back into it in the last term but I think that was in line with the Tigers also tiring, albeit 10 minutes later than we did.

Talia out for 2 Months.

At 3qtr time against the toigs I thought we would run away with it. Supremely fit guys like Kerridge and Curnow should have come through but they definitely tired badly.

Learning curve for everyone to work out how to pace themselves through a full game under the new rules. Saving your gas for the last qtr may be more important than a 2 or 3 goal lead these days.

At 3qtr time against the toigs I thought we would run away with it. Supremely fit guys like Kerridge and Curnow should have come through but they definitely tired badly.

Learning curve for everyone to work out how to pace themselves through a full game under the new rules. Saving your gas for the last qtr may be more important than a 2 or 3 goal lead these days.

This is purely observation rather than data, but with our bench we seemed to rotate our key position players more and left the mids on the ground. Richmond did the opposite.
Our game plan of pushing the forwards up the ground so far might be the cause.

There is some weak mail that Murphy might be out, allegedly hasn't pulled up so well!

Murphy is fine. 10 day break helps.

Murphy is fine. 10 day break helps.

Great to hear!

Least time on ground- Phillips, Murphy, Wright, Everitt and White.

Leave Thomas out or bring him in for someone other than Buckley.

I'd keep playing young Bucks and utilizing his break away pace.

Least time on ground- Phillips, Murphy, Wright, Everitt and White.

Yet statistically Murphy was our equally highest ranked player, for his critics does that mean he is now forgiven or was he just lucky? :D

Leave Thomas out or bring him in for someone other than Buckley.

I'd keep playing young Bucks and utilizing his break away pace.

He looks out of form, he was greedy and caused panic, he looked like a tougher version of Tutt.

He'll have less space at Docklands even though it is supposed to be a faster surface than the MCG, and he spent most of Thursday night b0rking up his team-mates as much as himself. I can forgive quiet games, but I cannot forgive dragging team-mates down out of desperation, no team needs a boat anchor! I appreciate Bolton might take a softer approach and pump up his tyres.

But I would send him back to the NBs to get some form and bring Byrne in if you want pace.

He looks out of form, he was greedy and caused panic, he looked like a tougher version of Tutt.

He'll have less space at Docklands even though it is supposed to be a faster surface than the MCG, and he spent most of Thursday night b0rking up his team-mates as much as himself. I can forgive quiet games, but I cannot forgive dragging team-mates down out of desperation, no team needs a boat anchor! I appreciate Bolton might take a softer approach and pump up his tyres.

But I would send him back to the NBs to get some form and bring Byrne in if you want pace.

I'd be getting games into Bucks on end. he's had plenty of in and out of the team stuff from Malthouse. Blokes like Buckley, Graham and co need games on end together. Then see how he/they are going.

I'm more than tempted to bring Byrne in. Probably at the expense of White. Don't like White down back and never have. I'd play him forward if they want him in the team so badly. He's looking slower every time I see him but his effort is very good I must say.

Buddy will come close to kicking double figures in goals this week. We are absolutely clueless when it comes to playing him......

Buddy will come close to kicking double figures in goals this week. We are absolutely clueless when it comes to playing him......

Weitering is actually our best match up for him but I wouldn't want to do it to the kid.

Weitering is actually our best match up for him but I wouldn't want to do it to the kid.

He wasn't afraid to push Rewolt around after he missed an easy shot.  ;D

Agreed Brettie, we have no match up and he continually gets outside or goalside of contests and kicks easy ones.  Jammo just can't go with him.  I was thinking a tall flanker with pace but we don't have any.

Well BB will have to earn his cash I guess and formulate some sort of plan to subdue him.

Play Byrne on him and rile him up so Buddy does something stupid.

Weitering is actually our best match up for him but I wouldn't want to do it to the kid.

Not sure Weiters has the leg speed or strength to go with Buddy, not at this stage anyway.

If Everitt keeps his spot he'll get the job, he has speed and strength and if I recall he did OK previously on Buddy for a short period. Everitt might even have a point to prove in this regard!

What about Gorringe, does he have the leg speed and endurance to stand Franklin?

Best approach for Buddy is to keep the ball away from him. Easier said than done of course.

Play Byrne on him and rile him up so Buddy does something stupid.

Byrne is 17cm shorter and 17kg lighter.

Best approach for Buddy is to keep the ball away from him. Easier said than done of course.

Might be the best approach, ignore Buddy and load up on mids to ensure the ball stays forward of center around players that Franklin cannot easily run off.

has anyone heard the term" team defence",we need everybody to get back and fill the gaps

has anyone heard the term" team defence",we need everybody to get back and fill the gaps

It's robbing Peter to pay Paul. If we do that against Sydney we cannot possible score enough to win, especially with reduced rotations.

Cookie is ultimately correct, the best plan is to keep the ball away from him, or at least make him head well up field to get hold of it. I think it's highly unlikely we can do much more than break even with Sydney's mids, so perhaps construct a scenario that forces Franklin onball.

has anyone heard the term" team defence",we need everybody to get back and fill the gaps

Might be the best approach, ignore Buddy and load up on mids to ensure the ball stays forward of center around players that Franklin cannot easily run off.

Isnt that the same thing??

I think we let Buddy do his thing, accept that he can kick goals, and give him space where he will have a harder time kicking them.  Ensure blokes like Tippet dont get off the leash, and try and get Buddy leading up the ground.  If you do that, we are halfway towards stopping him.

Kennedy is a monster in comparison to Cripps. 

Not sure about this...

Kennedy 1.88m and 95kg

Cripps 1.9m and 89Kg (think he might be more)
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Isnt that the same thing??

I think we let Buddy do his thing, accept that he can kick goals, and give him space where he will have a harder time kicking them.  Ensure blokes like Tippet dont get off the leash, and try and get Buddy leading up the ground.  If you do that, we are halfway towards stopping him.

No

Not sure about this...

Kennedy 1.88m and 95kg

Cripps 1.9m and 89Kg (think he might be more)
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Cripps 1.94 and a lot more than 89kg.

If Everitt keeps his spot he'll get the job, he has speed and strength and if I recall he did OK previously on Buddy for a short period. Everitt might even have a point to prove in this regard!

Everitt is a poor defender (hence he was pulled out of defense and into our F50) and should not be allowed anywhere near our defensive 50.

Radical Plan:

Play Everitt 10 meters in front of the square and tell him not to move any further.
Casboult moves up the ground as the leading forward, dishing off when he takes it at half forward or wing.
Everitts man can either stay with him or back himself up the ground.
When the tsunami comes up the field, Everitt's man must retreat back, which means Everitt can either drop back further, or lead straight ahead and wrong foot the guy belting back.
Which ever way it works, the ball can end up in the hands of someone who kicks straight and can take a grab one on one.
He's not much chop in heavy traffic, can run and is OK in a 50/50.

Everitt is a poor defender (hence he was pulled out of defense and into our F50) and should not be allowed anywhere near our defensive 50.

Yet he is supposed to have played 27 of his last 28 games with Sydney off the HBF.

Yet he is supposed to have played 27 of his last 28 games with Sydney off the HBF.

He did but as a running half back looking to attack.

The guy is a germophobe, he cannot be relied upon to mark another player closely.

Not sure about this...

Kennedy 1.88m and 95kg

Cripps 1.9m and 89Kg (think he might be more)
\

That 95kg on the Swans Kennedy might hurt a bit more when it connects than when Paddy Cripps runs into you...thats a chiselled hard upper body with big arms from memory and is a bash and crash unit.
Think our bloke is a bit more refined and likes to keep his arms high and use that look away handpass rather than smash his way to glory.....speaking of that look away...no one does it better IMO....its poetry to watch.

Not sure about this...

Kennedy 1.88m and 95kg

Cripps 1.9m and 89Kg (think he might be more)
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Cripps is taller at 1.94 but Kennedy is two axe handles wide across the shoulders.  He's had years of weight training and has clearly made the most of it.  I don't think anyone on our list has a physique like Kennedy.

Cripps is taller at 1.94 but Kennedy is two axe handles wide across the shoulders.  He's had years of weight training and has clearly made the most of it.  I don't think anyone on our list has a physique like Kennedy.

Maybe Sam Kerridge from what I have seen.

Bolton has said Daisy will come in. But who for?

I can also see Byrne coming in, but I'm not sure who will come out. 

The only two I can see are Buckley (played his role as a defensive forward but only had 3 touches) and White (who played ok but made a few errors).  The reason I put these two up are because Buckley is quick but undersized, and White is either an undersized KPP or a run with player for their big bodied on-ballers.

The down side of dropping White is that he adds balance to the team as he can cover talls and play run with their big onballers (like Kennedy & Parker).

Daisy and Byrne are two very good each way runners and a good size (height and weight) for on-ballers; they would be very useful against the Swans who have such onball depth.

The down side of dropping White is that he adds balance to the team as he can cover talls and play run with their big onballers (like Kennedy & Parker).

Not sure White adds any balance at all TBH. He is a poor third defender and has played the run with role successfully just once. Now that we move the ball on quickly and don't hold on to it for 30 seconds before going long down the line I think you'll see blokes like White really start to get exposed for the sub-standard footballers they are.

Not sure White adds any balance at all TBH. He is a poor third defender and has played the run with role successfully just once. Now that we move the ball on quickly and don't hold on to it for 30 seconds before going long down the line I think you'll see blokes like White really start to get exposed for the sub-standard footballers they are.

Agree with this summation. Also, I reckon a couple of his blunders were far too costly against 9thmond. Having said that, I'm tipping BB will be more forgiving than us and as part of his "teaching" mantra, White will get another go.

I understand the balance argument but at some point we have to pick our best team and let the opposition worry about us.

Byrne in, White out for me.

Can't have us keeping White and dropping Buckley, and having Thomas back in.

Byrne for White suits me fine thanks.

It would be so deflating if we were to cop a hiding this week after all the positive press we ve  been getting recently.

If we are going to drop White because of his errors then there could be a few others who should be joining him if we are to be consistent?

Can't have us keeping White and dropping Buckley, and having Thomas back in.

Byrne for White suits me fine thanks.

Why? White was average but Buckley was woeful, if it wasn't for his father he wouldn't be playing AFL.

Why? White was average but Buckley was woeful, if it wasn't for his father he wouldn't be playing AFL.

Sorry mate but thats rubbish. He was a very talented junior and IIRC was captain of his U18 team. Other teams knew we were going to pick him FS so they didnt bother. To say he wouldn't have made AFL level if not for his father is nonsense.

I'm saying he wouldn't be playing now, this is his 5th year on our list and he has shown nothing.

I'm saying he wouldn't be playing now, this is his 5th year on our list and he has shown nothing.

Leading up to last year perhaps, but last year he showed plenty. I honestly cannot understand how you missed it but then again I sort of can. ;D

I wouldn't mind seeing Jacksch in for White personally. Gives us another tall option up forward in addition to Casboult, and hopefully KJ can convert. Kicked a couple in the NB's last week.

White = complete waste of time. Hasn't really got a position and we are building for the future, something he's not part of.

White is filling in in areas at the moment that we are not ready to fill with other options or those options aren't yet ready. He is also useful to ride shotgun whilst we are blooding the younger, newer guys. He at least puts in, albeit without being super talented, and making some mistakes at times - something you could also say about some of our other players.  No he is probably not part of our longer term future but rather he is a stop gap. To call him a complete waste of time is pretty harsh IMO.

Leading up to last year perhaps, but last year he showed plenty. I honestly cannot understand how you missed it but then again I sort of can. ;D

That said, he's like White in that his role is a bit uncertain and that can only hinder his development - too small really to be a HBF, maybe a back pocket but is he up to it defensively (that said is 2E either as a HBF), hasn't shown he can be a mid so is small lock down forward his go?

To call him a complete waste of time is pretty harsh IMO.

Mate he was a peripheral part of our list under Ratten for a reason, and was headed for the scrap heap until Mick adopted the plodder formula.

When I say waste of time, I mean that he is playing when we could be getting gametime into others. Mick was desperate to win, so under him yes he was a stop gap. BB wants to rebuild, so under him any time he plays is a complete and utter waste of time.

Mate he was a peripheral part of our list under Ratten for a reason, and was headed for the scrap heap until Mick adopted the plodder formula.

When I say waste of time, I mean that he is playing when we could be getting gametime into others. Mick was desperate to win, so under him yes he was a stop gap. BB wants to rebuild, so under him any time he plays is a complete and utter waste of time.

I honestly think that when we have the future options ready and available then BB won't hesitate to bring them in and White will find it a lot harder to get selection. For instance, Plowman looks like taking a big step forward by playing in the NBs this week. Byrne, Jack, Charlie and others could also start to make their claims soon. But at least White is fit and available until these guys are ready i.e. he provides depth for this year which is not really a complete and utter waste of time IMO. Injuries to players delay player development to be sure, and they could be seen as time lost.

That said, he's like White in that his role is a bit uncertain and that can only hinder his development - too small really to be a HBF, maybe a back pocket but is he up to it defensively (that said is 2E either as a HBF), hasn't shown he can be a mid so is small lock down forward his go?

Would love to see 2e play wing. Seems perfectly suited.

I honestly think that when we have the future options ready and available then BB won't hesitate to bring them in and White will find it a lot harder to get selection. For instance, Plowman looks like taking a big step forward by playing in the NBs this week. Byrne, Jack, Charlie and others could also start to make their claims soon. But at least White is fit and available until these guys are ready i.e. he provides depth for this year which is not really a complete and utter waste of time IMO. Injuries to players delay player development to be sure, and they could be seen as time lost.

Yep point taken. I think Jaksch needs gametime. Let's start with him,.

Yep point taken. I think Jaksch needs gametime. Let's start with him,.

Yes well as we saw on The Journey Craig seemed to be giving Jaksch a fair bit of focus so maybe we won't have to wait too much longer to see him.

Yep point taken. I think Jaksch needs gametime. Let's start with him,.

He's got to earn a game first.  Bolton is very strong on players not being entitled to play.  They have earn their spot and Jaksch hasn't done that yet.

I think he did didn't he?

Thomas, Byrne and C.Curnow into the 25 from last week

Interchange From*

US

7 Dylan Buckley
38 Ciaran Byrne
30 Charlie Curnow
34 Andrew Phillips
17 Sam Rowe
46 Matthew Wright
13 Jed Lamb

THEM

19 Tom Derickx
29 George Hewett
33 Brandon Jack
41 Tom Papley
27 Daniel Robinson
1 James Rose
22 Dean Towers

Carlton

B: Sam Docherty, Michael Jamison, Simon White.
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Zach Tuohy.
C: Nick Graham, Marc Murphy, Kade Simpson.
HF: Blaine Boekhorst, Levi Casboult, Sam Kerridge.
F: Andrew Walker, Andrejs Everitt, Ed Curnow.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Bryce Gibbs.
Int:  Dylan Buckley, Ciaran Byrne,  Charlie Curnow, Andrew Phillips, Sam Rowe, Matthew Wright, Jed Lamb (Three to be omitted)

In: Dale Thomas, Ciaran Byrne, Charlie Curnow.

New: Charlie Curnow

Milestones:
  Sam Docherty  - Playing 50th game,
  Jacob Weitering  - Played 1st game,
  Zach Tuohy  - Playing 100th game,
  Ciaran Byrne  - Played 1st game

From the way the team was named, it looks like Buckley is out and Thomas is certainly in.
Rowe, Wright and Phillips are also very likely starters, so Charlie Curnow and Casey Byrne look like missing out.
However, that is 100 % conjecture.

Sydney Swans

B: Zak Jones, Ted Richards, Nick Smith.
HB: Dane Rampe, Heath Grundy, Jeremy Laidler.
C: Jake Lloyd, Josh P. Kennedy, Dan Hannebery.
HF: Callum Mills, Lance Franklin, Luke Parker.
F: Harry Cunningham, Kurt Tippett, Isaac Heeney.
Foll: Callum Sinclair, Kieren Jack, Tom Mitchell.
Int: Tom Derickx, George Hewett, Brandon Jack, Tom Papley, Daniel Robinson, James Rose, Dean Towers (Three to be omitted)

In: Ted Richards, Tom Derickx, Brandon Jack, James Rose.

Out: Michael Talia (Foot)
 
Very hard to change a Swans outfit that was good in so many areas last week. Richards had to come in for Talia, but the other 3 are making up the numbers.

Our defence looks like it has more taller players than the Sydney forward line has. I'd very much like to play Byrne.

I have no idea how Thomas walks into a spot in this team at the expense of someone on the IC bench, they have seen something I haven't

On his preseason form I would not have named Thomas. I would have brought him back through the NBs.
However, I was not consulted.

On his preseason form I would not have named Thomas. I would have brought him back through the NBs.
However, I was not consulted.

I guess there's pressure to get Daisy functional and contributing asap due to his cost to the club?

On his preseason form I would not have named Thomas. I would have brought him back through the NBs.
However, I was not consulted.

Nor me  :)

I thought Thomas was in reasonable form but his kicking let him down.  Bolton virtually guaranteed him a game so his selection is not really a surprise.

Charlie Curnow was an emergency last week and didn't play in the NBs.  I will be very surprised if he doesn't play two weeks in a row so he'll either be in the 22 or dropped from the squad on Friday.

PS Thomas had 6 tackles against the Swans, equal with Gibbs and behind Ed Curnow with 8.  Perhaps Bolts likes that aspect of his game.

Whatever folk think of thomas and his contract, he is an experienced player who is fit, knows how to find the ball, makes good decisions and works hard. He is a no brainer to come into the side after the suspension.

As earlier posts suggested, buckly needs to step up big time this year. He is in his fifth season now. For a small fellow he needs to develop some tricks pretty quick or he will be delisted at years end. Round 1 was not a good show for him and for a player of his type there are more replacement options than for a key forward or ruck.

Whatever folk think of thomas and his contract, he is an experienced player who is fit, knows how to find the ball, makes good decisions and works hard. He is a no brainer to come into the side after the suspension.

As earlier posts suggested, buckly needs to step up big time this year. He is in his fifth season now. For a small fellow he needs to develop some tricks pretty quick or he will be delisted at years end. Round 1 was not a good show for him and for a player of his type there are more replacement options than for a key forward or ruck.

I would tend to agree - but how nice is it to have this problem?

Pressure on spots in the team... seems like years.

Whatever folk think of thomas and his contract, he is an experienced player who is fit, knows how to find the ball, makes good decisions and works hard. He is a no brainer to come into the side after the suspension.

Sorry but there is no point making good decisions if you can't execute them. Obviously you mustn't have watched his last game in the NAB Cup if you think he is a no brainer to come in. Maybe give him a go because he's on so much money and has shown he can play (albeit many moons back) but to say it's a no brainer?? Pffft.

Oh dear, I just heard that both Cripps and Murphy will miss fork me.

Oh dear, I just heard that both Cripps and Murphy will miss fork me.

Did you see it on Facebook page?  I did but as it was shared just after midnight and being April 1 I thought it was a fools joke.

Well bloody hoping it was!

Did you see it on Facebook page?  I did but as it was shared just after midnight and being April 1 I thought it was a fools joke.

Well bloody hoping it was!

Can't see it anywhere so I'm hoping it is all BS.  ???

Sorry was on Twitter. 'CFC for life'

Doesn't mention was and was tweeted at 12.36am

Aprils fools joke for sure I reckon

Yes it was Carlton For Life on FB shawny. Fingers crossed it's wrong, was going to take my son on Sunday, won't be the case if we're going to be destroyed.

Murphy wouldn't be a shock as he got a knock on his shoulder against the tigers.

Not sure i will go either if they are both out!

Murphy wouldn't be a shock as he got a knock on his shoulder against the tigers.

Not sure i will go either if they are both out!

Well considering he sms me yesterday telling to come to the game I will sms him back calling him a liar if his out  ;)

It's a bullsh1t. They are both playing or would have been on social media by now

Well considering he sms me yesterday telling to come to the game I will sms him back calling him a liar if his out  ;)

It's a bullsh1t. They are both playing or would have been on social media by now

Final teams announced tonight Shawny, all will be revealed.

Oh dear, I just heard that both Cripps and Murphy will miss fork me.

Think you got April fooled....lol!

Carlton

B: Sam Docherty, Michael Jamison, Simon White.
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Zach Tuohy.
C: Nick Graham, Marc Murphy, Kade Simpson.
HF: Blaine Boekhorst, Levi Casboult, Sam Kerridge.
F: Andrew Walker, Andrejs Everitt, Ed Curnow.
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Bryce Gibbs.
Int:  Dylan Buckley, Ciaran Byrne,  Charlie Curnow, Andrew Phillips, Sam Rowe, Matthew Wright, Jed Lamb (Three to be omitted)

In: Dale Thomas, Ciaran Byrne, Charlie Curnow.

New: Charlie Curnow

Milestones:
  Sam Docherty  - Playing 50th game,
  Jacob Weitering  - Played 1st game,
  Zach Tuohy  - Playing 100th game,
  Ciaran Byrne  - Played 1st game

From the way the team was named, it looks like Buckley is out and Thomas is certainly in.
Rowe, Wright and Phillips are also very likely starters, so Charlie Curnow and Casey Byrne look like missing out.
However, that is 100 % conjecture.

Sydney Swans

B: Zak Jones, Ted Richards, Nick Smith.
HB: Dane Rampe, Heath Grundy, Jeremy Laidler.
C: Jake Lloyd, Josh P. Kennedy, Dan Hannebery.
HF: Callum Mills, Lance Franklin, Luke Parker.
F: Harry Cunningham, Kurt Tippett, Isaac Heeney.
Foll: Callum Sinclair, Kieren Jack, Tom Mitchell.
Int: Tom Derickx, George Hewett, Brandon Jack, Tom Papley, Daniel Robinson, James Rose, Dean Towers (Three to be omitted)

In: Ted Richards, Tom Derickx, Brandon Jack, James Rose.

Out: Michael Talia (Foot)
 
Very hard to change a Swans outfit that was good in so many areas last week. Richards had to come in for Talia, but the other 3 are making up the numbers.

Our defence looks like it has more taller players than the Sydney forward line has. I'd very much like to play Byrne.

Actually think Rowe might miss. We already have Jamison, Weitering and White in defence. A 4th tall is a little overkill. C.Curnow might get a run and go forward. Reckon Byrne will come in.

Think you got April fooled....lol!

Badddd. It was 530am before my preworkout had kicked in lol.

Actually think Rowe might miss. We already have Jamison, Weitering and White in defence. A 4th tall is a little overkill. C.Curnow might get a run and go forward. Reckon Byrne will come in.

When I saw the team sheet Jim, my first thought too was that Rowe could well miss out. We might be going for more run?

When the likes of Plowman, Byrne and Jesse GM come on, Rowe, Jamo and White will become obsolete in the backline

Actually think Rowe might miss. We already have Jamison, Weitering and White in defence. A 4th tall is a little overkill. C.Curnow might get a run and go forward. Reckon Byrne will come in.

I'd be surprised if Rowe misses out.  White is in an between defender rather than a tall defender and a Sydney tall would have a picnic if they only had White to contend with.  Rowe had a pretty good NAB game against Sydney and he's been our most effective spoiler since Jamison's shoulder problems.

White and Buckley seem most likely to miss out but it's hard to predict what the new MC will do.

I'd be surprised if Rowe misses out.  White is in an between defender rather than a tall defender and a Sydney tall would have a picnic if they only had White to contend with.  Rowe had a pretty good NAB game against Sydney and he's been our most effective spoiler since Jamison's shoulder problems.

White and Buckley seem most likely to miss out but it's hard to predict what the new MC will do.

White is actually named in the 18 on field so I'd be very surprised if he is left out, whereas Rowe is named as one of the 7 potential interchanges. That was my reason to think Sam may get left out.

White is actually named in the 18 on field so I'd be very surprised if he is left out, whereas Rowe is named as one of the 7 potential interchanges. That was my reason to think Sam may get left out.

Good point Cookie.  That indicates White will be in the 22 but I suspect Rowe will be too.  We'd have a seriously undermanned defence against one of the most potent forward lines in the business.

Daisy is definitely playing if Bolton's comments today are any guide (and he's named in the 18) so I suspect Buckley or Lamb will go out.

We'll be put out of our misery before long  :)

Is that actually a rule whereby if a player is named on the ground in an extended line up he cannot be an emergency?

Is that actually a rule whereby if a player is named on the ground in an extended line up he cannot be an emergency?

It's more of a convention than a rule.  All of the extended interchange bench could end up in the 22.  In practice, the players who miss out generally come from those named on the bench.

Final teams

Rowe and Buckley out!

Thomas and C.Curnow in!

Big call on Rowe getting dropped!

Final teams

Rowe and Buckley out!

Thomas and C.Curnoe in!

Big call on Rowe getting dropped!

Thanks G. Looking forward to seeing Charlie!

Big call on Rowe getting dropped!

Indeed - leaves Jamison and Weitering to cover Buddy and Tippy. Unless Everitt is going to be moved back?

Tippet has been playing ruck. Surprised they dropped Rowe ahead of Jamo.

Buddy and Sinclair is still a tall order. Rowe's height would have been handy.
Of equal concern are their small forwards -  too much leg speed for Tuohy, White and Docherty to cover. Would have thought Buckley would be a good match up for one of their younger forwards.

Oh well, in BB we trust! Never been a fan of Rowe TBH but would have had him in over White for sure.

Was Rowe that bad last week? I thought he did ok!

Sort of makes me think that we are going to pull a late change. And Murphy didn't train today.

PI2C's early morning post still has me spooked.

Final teams

Rowe and Buckley out!

Thomas and C.Curnow in!

Big call on Rowe getting dropped!

Interesting!  A tall defender and a small forward out and a midfielder/flanker and a tallish forward in.  I hope we can lock the ball in our forward 50 for a significant part of the game  ::)

The 18 named on the field convention worked again  ;)

Indeed - leaves Jamison and Weitering to cover Buddy and Tippy. Unless Everitt is going to be moved back?

If Everitt gets moved back it will be a massacre....got no idea down back.

Bit thin down back without Rowe IMO, putting a lot of pressure on Weitering to take Buddy for a whole game......but we do like to murder our newbies...
In the old days the ruckman would drop back to help his defenders out but those days seem over...

Was Rowe that bad last week? I thought he did ok!

Sort of makes me think that we are going to pull a late change. And Murphy didn't train today.

PI2C's early morning post still has me spooked.

Isn't training tomorrow?

I thought Rowe was OK last week, perhaps it's a balance/structure decision but Sydney's tall forwards will really test our backs.

The plan looks like we try to keep the ball away from Buddy. Lock it in our F50.

I've got a feeling two out of the three emergencies will play.

DJC, From the H-Sun "Panic Room":

TRACK WATCH

At Essendon, coach John Worsfold says to not read anything into the fact Brendon Goddard, Adam Cooney and Kyle Langford missed training this morning, saying it is part of their usual pre-game routine.

Carlton says the same about Marc Murphy, who was nowhere to be seen during the first 15 minutes the media were given access to Blues training at Ikon Park this morning, reports the AFL website.

Also an open training session tomorrow.

I've got a feeling two out of the three emergencies will play.

I'll be at the game tomorrow so will keep an eye out for who 'hasn't' fronted up.

I thought Rowe was OK last week, perhaps it's a balance/structure decision but Sydney's tall forwards will really test our backs.

It is so much about appropriate match ups these days.

Could the heat is being turned up , leaving Rowe out might a message , no one is guaranteed a game, think he was stiff to miss personally. More worried re Jamo , seems really out of sorts. We will feel it if Buddy & Tippert get some early grabs on the forward line. The heat is on...

Was Rowe that bad last week? I thought he did ok!

Sort of makes me think that we are going to pull a late change. And Murphy didn't train today.

PI2C's early morning post still has me spooked.

Murphy never trains the last session before the game.

It is so much about appropriate match ups these days.

I'm all in favour of appropriate match ups, but Rowe was more effective than Jamison both against the Swans in the NAB game and against Richmond last week.  Weitering is going to have a torrid time, but perhaps that's what the MC is after  ???

Jamo's the luckiest bloke at the Club, should've been one of the first dropped after last week, cannot believe Rowe got the chop ahead of him. Mind boggling selection decision....not that it matters, as Buddy is gonna tear us a new one no matter what.

Rapt to see Charlie Curnow selected, really looking forward to seeing him play in the big time.

Great to see Curnow to debut, but I suspect those selection changes are the coaches putting the queue in the rack for this week.

A focus on exposing players, not winning the game.

Jamo's the luckiest bloke at the Club, should've been one of the first dropped after last week, cannot believe Rowe got the chop ahead of him. Mind boggling selection decision....not that it matters, as Buddy is gonna tear us a new one no matter what.

Rapt to see Charlie Curnow selected, really looking forward to seeing him play in the big time.

Jamo was pretty ordinary without doubt but Rowe also struggled, especially in trying to take marks. He was spoiling when he should have marked on a couple of crucial plays and he fumbled at other times. Maybe the selectors were nervous especially with Buddy lurking?

Jamo was pretty ordinary without doubt but Rowe also struggled, especially in trying to take marks. He was spoiling when he should have marked on a couple of crucial plays and he fumbled at other times. Maybe the selectors were nervous especially with Buddy lurking?

Not sure what Byrne has done wrong, must have sh1t in Bolts bed!

Not sure what Byrne has done wrong, must have sh1t in Bolts bed!

I disagree, I suspect the message is great work - now back it up. Do that consistently and you get a game. If that's the case, I don't mind it.

Easier opponents to give him a run against. This week we will find out plenty about some players.

I'm all in favour of appropriate match ups, but Rowe was more effective than Jamison both against the Swans in the NAB game and against Richmond last week.  Weitering is going to have a torrid time, but perhaps that's what the MC is after  ???

I'm with DJC.

All the best to young Charlie on debut. I hope he gets a to show a few tricks.

I'm all in favour of appropriate match ups, but Rowe was more effective than Jamison both against the Swans in the NAB game and against Richmond last week.  Weitering is going to have a torrid time, but perhaps that's what the MC is after  ???

I think there are young players you can throw to the wolves and there are some you cant. Weitering is one I think you can, BB thinks Charlie may be one you can but we will find out tomorrow. Byrne is probably one BB thinks you cant just yet. And by this I mean young fellas can get demoralised when they can smashed around like a Buddy type. Weitering will relish the opportunity should it arise. What he may do poorly, he will go away, analyse it, rectify it and ensure it doesn't happen next time. His maturity and composure for an 18 yo is astounding, its very business like and clinical.

I think there are young players you can throw to the wolves and there are some you cant. Weitering is one I think you can, BB thinks Charlie may be one you can but we will find out tomorrow. Byrne is probably one BB thinks you cant just yet. And by this I mean young fellas can get demoralised when they can smashed around like a Buddy type. Weitering will relish the opportunity should it arise. What he may do poorly, he will go away, analyse it, rectify it and ensure it doesn't happen next time. His maturity and composure for an 18 yo is astounding, its very business like and clinical.

You could well have hit the nail here GTC. This game could very well be a vital lesson in Weitering's education. Learn from one of the best in the business - an opportunity to be seized.

Not sure what Byrne has done wrong, must have sh1t in Bolts bed!

He hasn't earned a game yet.

I like the way he plays and was impressed with a lot of his work in the NAB game against Essendon.  However, he made errors (as did many others) that suggested to me that he isn't quite ready.  The other factor is that the players that he could replace haven't done much wrong.

Jamo was pretty ordinary without doubt but Rowe also struggled, especially in trying to take marks. He was spoiling when he should have marked on a couple of crucial plays and he fumbled at other times. Maybe the selectors were nervous especially with Buddy lurking?

Jamison had 9 disposals and took 3 marks.  Rowe had 12 disposals and 6 marks.  Neither laid a tackle  ::). Rowe did better than Jamison when playing on Buddy in the NAB game so I don't think that it's a match up issue.

Wouldn't it be great if the club explained the reasons for selection decisions?  It would take the wind out of a lot of debates here  :)

I think we need to show some faith in our new coach, I disagree with it as well but last week's effort was full of merit so let's see how it pans out.

I think we need to show some faith in our new coach, I disagree with it as well but last week's effort was full of merit so let's see how it pans out.

Yes, BB is always talking about "learning opportunities" so this game featuring one of the game's leading players in Buddy would be one such opportunity. Playing on him would be no doubt a real "schooling".

Players will get chances as the season drags on. Rowe last week went to spoil when he probably should have gone to mark. Given the importance of gaining and retaining posession it wasn't what the team needed. His disposal also isn't great compared to where we need to be. Its hard to see a place for Rowe if it becomes a priority to move the ball quickly in and out of the backline.

If sydney go forward as many times as they did last week then it will be a heavy defeat regardless of who is down there. We have to win in the middle.

You could well have hit the nail here GTC. This game could very well be a vital lesson in Weitering's education. Learn from one of the best in the business - an opportunity to be seized.

Exactly and the point being even if Buddy kicked 10 on him hypothetically, it wouldnt faze him in a negative sense. It would only make him more determined to ensure it never happened again. This is how the kid comes across to me at least. We've got ourselves a special one in JW.

Players will get chances as the season drags on. Rowe last week went to spoil when he probably should have gone to mark. Given the importance of gaining and retaining posession it wasn't what the team needed. His disposal also isn't great compared to where we need to be. Its hard to see a place for Rowe if it becomes a priority to move the ball quickly in and out of the backline.

If sydney go forward as many times as they did last week then it will be a heavy defeat regardless of who is down there. We have to win in the middle.

Rowe is also very slow to make a decision. With the new game style, its fair to say it involves quick decision making and quick ball movement by hand and foot. Most have grasped this concept and have adapted well. What it has done though is exposed blokes like Rowe, White and to a lesser extent Jamo. These 3 in particular stop and prop alot more than the others. Yes being deep in defence means you have to be careful with the decision you make however it still needs to be quick and correct. Even things like mark vs punch/spoil, they often make the wrong decision under pressure. Watch Weitering in action, he sums it up very quickly and moves it quickly.

Exactly and the point being even if Buddy kicked 10 on him hypothetically, it wouldnt faze him in a negative sense. It would only make him more determined to ensure it never happened again. This is how the kid comes across to me at least. We've got ourselves a special one in JW.

Lockett did the same to SOS and it didn't hurt him in the least so you can see where BB is going with this. I remember the day at Waverly well. SOS still won over half the contests. It was one of a precosious Minton-Connell's first games.

Exactly and the point being even if Buddy kicked 10 on him hypothetically, it wouldnt faze him in a negative sense. It would only make him more determined to ensure it never happened again. This is how the kid comes across to me at least. We've got ourselves a special one in JW.

Worked for Zac Dawson...been a finals flop since he was Roccered as a kid...

As Baggers reported from the NBs practice match, Rowe and Byrne didn't play.  More importantly, Buckley was withdrawn at the last minute, suggesting an injury concern for one of the blokes named in the 22.

Worked for Zac Dawson...been a finals flop since he was Roccered as a kid...

So thats what I meant, was obviously one that Zac couldnt handle it at a young age.

So thats what I meant, was obviously one that Zac couldnt handle it at a young age.

Fair enough..Zac aint half the player JW is at the same age and I expect our boy to give a good account of himself vs Buddy...as long as he doesnt do a Cale Hooker and
let Buddy run the length of the SCG with him jogging behind... ;)

As Baggers reported from the NBs practice match, Rowe and Byrne didn't play.  More importantly, Buckley was withdrawn at the last minute, suggesting an injury concern for one of the blokes named in the 22.

What's the bet it's Murphy?

What's the bet it's Murphy?

I hope not! Perhaps the club is playing ducks and drakes?

You would think though that having Lamb, Wright and Buckley in the same side is a little out of balance which makes me think that Lamb or Wright might be crook.

More glowing endorsement for the young fella, how far can he go?

Patrick Cripps a Carlton great in the making, draws comparison to Greg “Diesel” Williams
April 2, 2016 8:00pm
SHANE CRAWFORDHerald Sun

Shane Crawford says Patrick Cripps should be referred to as Diesel Mark III. Picture: Wayne Ludbey
CHRIS Judd watched Carlton’s Round 1 clash with Richmond on his laptop from a beach in Dubai, but even though he was thousands of miles away from the MCG there was one thing he couldn’t escape noticing.

Patrick Cripps.

The retired Blues great took delight in seeing 21-year-old Cripps cracking into every contest, seemingly getting better as every match grew more physical.

“When the game was in the balance, he just seemed to will himself to have more of an influence,” Judd told me this week.

“Usually with young players, it takes four years for the penny to drop, but for him it dropped from the end of his first season.

“He is so serious about getting success as an individual, and from a team point of view. For someone his age, he is elite in terms of the way he uses his body and with his vision by hand.”

Cripps is already one of the best contested players in the AFL at an age when most young footballers are just worried about getting a kick.

Just watching him closely last week, as I have over the past year and a bit, he reminded me so much of my former teammate Sam Mitchell, and, by extension the man Mitchell is often compared to, Greg “Diesel” Williams.

To my eye, if Mitchell is Diesel Mark II, as David Parkin used to say, then Cripps might as well be dubbed Diesel Mark III.

That might sound a stretch given he has played only 24 AFL games. I can assure you it isn’t, as I am comfortable in saying that Cripps has the potential to be just as decorated as the other two contested kings.

I asked Juddy about the comparison with Mitchell and Williams. He didn’t shy away from it, saying: “He is every bit as hard as Greg Williams and Sam Mitchell.”

Patrick Cripps is already on his way to becoming a Carlton great.

Judd believes his own career-ending knee injury last season helped Cripps: “The best thing for Patrick was when I got injured, he got more of a go.”

Some kids might have wilted. Cripps went on to win what I am sure will be the first of many Carlton best and fairests, becoming the youngest Blue to do it since John Nicholls in 1959.

He is in rare company to win a club champion award before his 21st birthday, among them Michael Voss, Andrew McLeod, Tim Watson, Nick Riewoldt, Kevin Murray and Jack Dyer.

Cripps’ superb 2015 season came off the back of him personally hiring a speed coach the previous summer to work on his running.

He’s not super fast, probably never will be. But put a ball into the equation and he’s bloody hard to stop. He is so strong around the contest that opposition teams are now working out ways to have ruckmen tap the ball away from him.

His contested work is freakish. To be able to wrestle for the ball with players who have had 10 years experience on him, and to win out on most counts is extraordinary. He can only get stronger in the future, too.

Unfortunately, Champion Data wasn’t around when a young Greg Williams showed us how good he was at getting the ball. He had 38 touches in his first AFL game, with Geelong.

Williams went on to win two Brownlow Medals, a Norm Smith and just about everything else during stints with Sydney and Carlton.

But if you look at Cripps’ record over his first 24 games and Mitchell’s over that same period, you can see why Carlton supporters are so excited.

He’s got a young ‘Mitch’ covered in terms of possessions, contested possessions, tackles and just about every other comparison. And we all know how good a player Mitchell has turned out to be, winning just about every award imaginable, other than a Brownlow Medal (which still could happen for him).

By the end of his career, I can see Cripps — barring serious injury — being almost as decorated as Williams and Mitchell.

He’ll be a Carlton captain, too, but there is plenty of time for that.

The scary thing is he is almost 20cm taller than Williams, and 16cm taller than Mitchell, which provides a few more strings to his bow.

Imagine being able to slip Cripps into the forward line at times. He has a got a good grab, and it could be a super weapon for coach Brendon Bolton to consider in the future.

For the time being, having him in the midfield is enough. He mainly gets the opposition best run-with now, even though the Blues still have Marc Murphy and Bryce Gibbs.

Carlton botched much of its drafting over many years, but they have struck gold with their No. 13 pick from the 2013 draft.

It is among the best decisions the club has made since its last flag in 1995 — which incidentally was the year Cripps was born.

Now the next decision they need to make is to lock him away for life — by offering him a rolling contract that runs for a decade, or maybe more. He is locked in until the end of 2019. If I were the Blues, I would extend that to the end of 2027, just to stop Fremantle and West Coast from thinking he could ever return to WA.

He won’t. He will go on to become one of Carlton’s greatest player of all-time, if he can channel his first 24 games into the next 12-15 seasons. And along the way he might help deliver the Blues’ elusive 17th AFL flag.

THE THREE “DIESELS”

Contested possession kings

GREG WILLIAMS

First 24 games — with Geelong (1984-85)

Average disposals: 27

Contested disposals, clearances, score involvements, tackles were not recorded during this time.

Honours: Brownlow Medal (1986, 1994); AFLPA MVP (1985, 1994); Geelong best and fairest (1985); Carlton best and fairest (1994), Norm Smith Medal (1995); AFL Team of the Century (interchange); Sydney and Carlton Team of the Century (centre); E.J. Whitten Medal (1987); All-Australian (1986-87); premiership player (1995)

SAM MITCHELL

First 24 games — with Hawthorn (2002-03)

Average disposals: 14.7

Average contested possessions: 8

Average clearances: 5

Average tackles: 3.9

Average goals: 0.2

Honours: AFL Rising Star (2003); Hawthorn best and fairest (2006, 2009, 2011, 2012); All-Australian (2011, 2013, 2015), equal second in Brownlow Medal (2012); third in Brownlow Medal (2015); premiership player (2008, 2013-15); Liston Trophy (2002

PATRICK CRIPPS

First 24 games — with Carlton (2014-16)

Average disposals: 21.9

Average contested possessions: 12.7

Average clearances: 5.9

Average tackles: 4.6

Average goals: 0.3

Honours: Carlton best and fairest (2015); runner-up in AFL Rising Star (2015)

Stats: Champion Data

EVOLUTION OF THE CONTESTED KINGS

Diesel Mark I — 1980s and 1990s: Greg Williams (176cm)

Diesel Mark II — 2000s and 2010s: Sam Mitchell (179cm)

Diesel Mark III — 2010s: Patrick Cripps (195cm)

Is it possible to have a massive man crush and not be gay ?

He alone is worth the price of admission. He will be better than Diesel and better than Mitchell.

Not for me..I love Cripps as a player especially his look away handpasses but Diesel is at a different level IMO....kicking is way superior and on both feet, Diesel was also a better goalkicker and equal with Cripps as a handpass exponent in hot traffic...and Diesel was tough and at his size had it harder..
Diesel won two Brownlows and had a third stolen off him by a jealous umpire......build Cripps up because he is a star in the making for sure but Crawford needs to get some perspective....

I know we despise the concept of an "honorable loss" but when our expat forward line have scored 13 GOALS so far this round, who will kick ours??????
 Waite 5
 Eddie 5
 Garlett 2
 Bell 1...........

Is it possible to have a massive man crush and not be gay ?

No.

 ;D

I know we despise the concept of an "honorable loss" but when our expat forward line have scored 13 GOALS so far this round, who will kick ours??????
 Waite 5
 Eddie 5
 Garlett 2
 Bell 1...........

Constant references to our Expat forward line annoys me. We couldn't afford to fit all of them in our team. It's like saying "if we had an extra $1m in our salary cap".

Not for me..I love Cripps as a player especially his look away handpasses but Diesel is at a different level IMO....kicking is way superior and on both feet, Diesel was also a better goalkicker and equal with Cripps as a handpass exponent in hot traffic...and Diesel was tough and at his size had it harder..
Diesel won two Brownlows and had a third stolen off him by a jealous umpire......build Cripps up because he is a star in the making for sure but Crawford needs to get some perspective....

But Cripps has aspects to his game Diesel didn't ie he is an enforcer, he can bust packs open and he is strong overhead. Cripps will be at least the equal of Diesel IMO, he will also be one of the best we've seen.

Eddie only wanted another $50K a year!!

Absolute rubbish team management, with completely zero foresight and just typical of the rabble of a club we had become, that is ground zero imo.

That reality annoys me....

But the light at the end of the tunnel that Cripps, Weitering, Charlie and the continuing Silvani line represent will soon have me not crying every time Eddie kicks a quartet.

Praise be to Bolton ;) ;)

Well. Just about to head out the door, pick up the crew and get to the game. I have feeling, we might be coming home very happy this evening. Horrible starting time though.

Eddie only wanted another $50K a year!!

He also wanted a 4 year deal.

Well. Just about to head out the door, pick up the crew and get to the game. I have feeling, we might be coming home very happy this evening. Horrible starting time though.

That might be because of the alcohol rather than the result.

Walker out (calf), Rowe in.

Constant references to our Expat forward line annoys me. We couldn't afford to fit all of them in our team. It's like saying "if we had an extra $1m in our salary cap".

Of course we could, we just wouldn't have Jones, Tutt, Whiley, Dick and  Jaksch.   :)

Walker out (calf), Rowe in.

Bad news for Walker; he's on a modified program to try to keep him on the park. 

The end result is that Buckley is replaced by Thomas and Charlie Curnow comes in for Walker and we have a more balanced side than the original 22. 

A few upsets this week......who knows? ;D

Bad luck for Walker , Rowe gets a reprieve, maybe time to see if Rowe can go forward as he wasn't part of the original defence & gives us options if the Buddy show starts..

We seem a bit top heavy.

Sinclair Killing Kruezer

Fork me Gibbs and Murphy can be weak at times. They both had their hands on the ball at that centre bounce and both let it go when hit. Just weak as piss.

Sinclair Killing Kruezer

Yep...2 goals and effective in the ruck...didnt think Kruezer was great last week either vs a weak Tigers ruck setup..

Weitering very smooth and cool under pressure...

Charlie got the kicking skills in the family

http://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=2789.0

let's use the right thread.

Casboult has no second effort.

How many contests can the germophobe jib before he gets dropped?

Frustrating to watch, but need to remember Sydney are a serious side.

Doherty reminds me of Peter Dean.