Saturday, April 15
7.25 PM
Etihad Stadium
6 day turnaround for both teams
Both teams coming off their first win of the season.
The Suns need to travel, offset by the fact that we played in very taxing, exhausting conditions.
I'm a little worried that our rusty skills will be exposed on a dry track, something that is less of an issue in the wet.
Both teams will be pumped and eager to make it 2 in a row.
No injuries for us, that I'm aware of.
Ablett played a very good game today, going by the stats : 36 touches, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 2 goals 1.
Suns by 5 goals.
No injuries for us, that I'm aware of.
Weitering might have to battle some concussion issues through the week.
Simmo was limping pretty badly at some stage, although he looked to make a recovery....and unless his leg is amputated, reckon he'll be out there yet again.
Weitering might have to battle some concussion issues through the week.
Simmo was limping pretty badly at some stage, although he looked to make a recovery....and unless his leg is amputated, reckon he'll be out there yet again.
Thanks.
Ah well, there's our No1 player, and our spiritual leader.
If they're outs, our task just got that much harder.
2 in row to square the season up.
Go Blues
Thanks.
Ah well, there's our No1 player, and our spiritual leader.
If they're outs, our task just got that much harder.
I reckon every player from today would walk through walls to play next game.
I reckon every player from today would walk through walls to play next game.
Maybe, but hopefully players and club will be sensible and honest in how they manage injuries, without taking unnecessary risks. This is for all players, but perhaps more so for "Crown Jewels" players like Weets.
Thanks.
Ah well, there's our No1 player, and our spiritual leader.
If they're outs, our task just got that much harder.
Weitering's far from our number one player and Simmo, while a favourite son, isn't our spiritual leader.
We'd miss both, but not as much as we'd miss a dozen others ... and that's a good thing!
Weitering's far from our number one player and Simmo, while a favourite son, isn't our spiritual leader.
We'd miss both, but not as much as we'd miss a dozen others ... and that's a good thing!
Who do you think are our No1 player and spiritual leader ?
Who do you think are our No1 player and spiritual leader ?
I'm not sure that I could nominate a number one player but well ahead of Weitering at the moment are Murphy, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Cripps, Docherty and Simpson, with several others, particularly Wright, Rowe, Plowman and Marchbank at least level pegging.
Spiritual leadership is intangible and hard to pin down but I reckon Kreuzer is the man with Murphy not far behind.
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Weitering might have to battle some concussion issues through the week.
Simmo was limping pretty badly at some stage, although he looked to make a recovery....and unless his leg is amputated, reckon he'll be out there yet again.
I agree on both players but if Weitering misses or the club even lists him as 'test concussion' we will cope it from the media and rightly so.
I was very surprised to see him run back on the field. The 'kid' lay face down for a good minute before getting to his feet and being helped off. It was a very tough and ugly collision.
Media will be all over this even if the club says it a 'delayed concussion'.
I doubt we will get up for this - Those conditions have a heavier then normal toll on the player and the young ones will feel it even more
He sat off the twenty minutes, and then passed the concussion assessment and looked a bit unsettled from then onwards, but that could literally be to do with soreness. Im not sure what else the club can do, but exercise caution and not put him back on, but there was none of the agitation that goes with someone that is concussed and he played like his usual cool calm and collected self from then onwards.
If he misses this week there is not much ire the club should wear for it, as they have followed the accepted protocol and if Weits didnt want to go back out there, I doubt our club would have forced him to do it.
Odds are he was happy to.
Weitering is being targeted every week and we have to expect that.
He's had 3 damned hard weeks and I would not be surprised if he was rested this week anyway.
Yeah agreed Thry.
In: fisher, jacksh/ curnow
Out: kerridge, weiters
Who do you think are our No1 player and spiritual leader ?
Murphy, and Murphy.
Weitering is being targeted every week and we have to expect that.
He's had 3 damned hard weeks and I would not be surprised if he was rested this week anyway.
Looking at the incident in replay S. it appeared to be purely accidental to me, although he was hit pretty forcefully before clashing heads with Hurley. As you say, we have to expect that and maybe a rest could be in order.
Looking at the incident in replay S. it appeared to be purely accidental to me, although he was hit pretty forcefully before clashing heads with Hurley. As you say, we have to expect that and maybe a rest could be in order.
Agree...Hurley has matured and isnt a thug on the field of play, that was accidental contact via a pinball scenario.....Weitering did ok when he came back on and I would expect him to play....although Steven May may not be the ideal opponent in terms of expecting a gentlemans game of football ...
Agree...Hurley has matured and isnt a thug on the field of play, that was accidental contact via a pinball scenario.....Weitering did ok when he came back on and I would expect him to play....although Steven May may not be the ideal opponent in terms of expecting a gentlemans game of football ...
Off topic, but Hurley gave Weitering a pat on the arse when he came back on the field.
Was a nice touch.
Off topic, but Hurley gave Weitering a pat on the arse when he came back on the field.
Was a nice touch.
It was good to see them comparing notes about the head clash after the siren. It seemed to be like "Yeah nah, the top of your head hit my forehead right here and it felt like my brains were dribbling out!"
Hurley seems to have inherited his full share of Neanderthal DNA and has quite prominent brow ridges whereas Weitering has a more gracile cranium. Whether that means one or the other is more or less susceptible to concussion is beyond my pay grade.
Ambrose slammed weitering in the back who was then pushed into Hurley. Pretty weak stuff but accidental as I doubt the outcome matched the intent.
Ambrose slammed weitering in the back who was then pushed into Hurley. Pretty weak stuff but accidental as I doubt the outcome matched the intent.
Yep.
I thought it was a dog act from someone who wasn't hunting the footy and was only playing the man.
Im all for getting physical when players can generally see the hits coming, but weiters only had eyes for the footy.
We're in desperate need of a decent key forward. Should we perhaps take a chance and blood yet another youngster in Harry McKay in the dry conditions under the roof at Etihad ?
We're in desperate need of a decent key forward. Should we perhaps take a chance and blood yet another youngster in Harry McKay in the dry conditions under the roof at Etihad ?
We should wait until he's earned the spot, and the player being dropped has earned a rest.
Excluding one or two aberrations I think Casboult is generally better at Etihad than other grounds.
Not sure McKay is ready to take on the likes of Witts, Wright, Lynch or May, and we shouldn't flirt with Rowe's form by creating a situation where he is required to ruck.
It's a pity we had already played Melbourne, with Gawn Gone they are ripe for the picking!
I think the only likely change will be for Kerridge. Possibly give Fisher or Poulson a run? Also Weitering out if it is decided to give him a rest.
I think the only likely change will be for Kerridge. Possibly give Fisher or Poulson a rune? Also Weitering out if it is decided to give him a rest.
I'd doubt Bolton would bring in a player for just one week, so I doubt Kerridge would go out.
I'd doubt Bolton would bring in a player for just one week, so I doubt Kerridge would go out.
One week is one too many IMO.
Ambrose slammed weitering in the back who was then pushed into Hurley. Pretty weak stuff but accidental as I doubt the outcome matched the intent.
Agree, you can see Ambrose has his eyes on Weitering, not the ball, and his only intent was to take him out. The clash of heads with Hurley was incidental of Ambrose's actions.
One week is one too many IMO.
I thought Kerridge was pretty ordinary for most of the day, as was Palmer. They redeemed themselves a little late in the game.
I thought Kerridge was pretty ordinary for most of the day, as was Palmer. They redeemed themselves a little late in the game.
I just don't rate Kerridge GTC. He is a very fumbly and frustrating player with erratic disposal. I think we've seen whatever we are likely to get from him already over plenty of previous games. Personally I prefer Army but he was also pretty horrible in his last game. I'd give Palmer another go though at this stage.
About Weitering, what is the best thing you can do after an injury or knock like his? Especially if you don't know exactly what happened or what the injury is?
I reckon, stay still, don't move, and wait for a trainer would be pretty close to the top of the list.
Weitering is a professional, he's not soft, he will always try to do what's best for himself and therefore also his team.
I just don't rate Kerridge GTC. He is a very fumbly and frustrating player with erratic disposal. I think we've seen whatever we are likely to get from him already over plenty of previous games. Personally I prefer Army but he was also pretty horrible in his last game. I'd give Palmer another go though at this stage.
110% agree Cookie, wasn't suggesting for a minute Kerridge was part of our future. I was also going to write that he played out of his skin last year early on then faded badly in the second half of the season. The future is SPS, Willo, Marchy, Plow, Weiters, Doc, SOS, Macreadie, Pickett. Then there's CC (when he pulls his finger out), Fish, H, Flippa (when he gets back from injury), Byrne, Sheehan. All these blokes will keep Kerridge, Army and co. out of the side much sooner than we all think.
110% agree Cookie, wasn't suggesting for a minute Kerridge was part of our future. I was also going to write that he played out of his skin last year early on then faded badly in the second half of the season. The future is SPS, Willo, Marchy, Plow, Weiters, Doc, SOS, Macreadie, Pickett. Then there's CC (when he pulls his finger out), Fish, H, Flippa (when he gets back from injury), Byrne, Sheehan. All these blokes will keep Kerridge, Army and co. out of the side much sooner than we all think.
Yep. We'll see some exciting talent emerge this year for sure.
Yep. We'll see some exciting talent emerge this year for sure.
Due to some brilliant list management and recruiting from SOS and the boys. The contrast to the previous years is saddening.
Off topic, but Hurley gave Weitering a pat on the arse when he came back on the field.
Was a nice touch.
Hurley was a nice kid who has developed into a nice guy with a much better haircut - has always played with more than a little aggression though. I had hoped we would draft him; he only had to last for one more pick.
Hurley was a nice kid who has developed into a nice guy with a much better haircut - has always played with more than a little aggression though. I had hoped we would draft him; he only had to last for one more pick.
Just be safe in the knowledge that our mental lightweights wouldn't have picked him anyway.
Weitering's far from our number one player and Simmo, while a favourite son, isn't our spiritual leader.
We'd miss both, but not as much as we'd miss a dozen others ... and that's a good thing!
We'd miss Murphy and Cripps more.
We'd miss Murphy and Cripps more.
Add Kruezer and Rowe too.
Both play roles that while they don't appear as much on the stats sheet, are vital to us being competitive.
No change this week I'm tipping.
Weitering should be OK to play, Kerridge and Palmer were both average but deserve another chance on a dry track.
Pickett is only just going but there aren't any small forwards in the VFL crying out to be picked, and even though he hasn't done much what he's done has shown some polish and flair and he has genuine pace.
No change this week I'm tipping.
Weitering should be OK to play, Kerridge and Palmer were both average but deserve another chance on a dry track.
Pickett is only just going but there aren't any small forwards in the VFL crying out to be picked, and even though he hasn't done much what he's done has shown some polish and flair and he has genuine pace.
Reckon Pickett will get one more chance on the dry ground at Etihad, I think he is a very skilled player but at the minute is more of a cameo type who needs to make more of his chances.
Gallucci was ordinary vs Port so I dont see a quick promotion for him, maybe a fit Jed Lamb might challenge Pickett for a place but I prefer we keep getting games into Pickett as he has more upside.
Reckon Pickett will get one more chance on the dry ground at Etihad, I think he is a very skilled player but at the minute is more of a cameo type who needs to make more of his chances.
Gallucci was ordinary vs Port so I dont see a quick promotion for him, maybe a fit Jed Lamb might challenge Pickett for a place but I prefer we keep getting games into Pickett as he has more upside.
Yeah, I'll cut Pickett some slack because of the conditions, he'll learn from seeing Murphy and Gibbs go to work.
Wright was also quieter than I expected.
I was pleasantly surprised by the way SPS contributed, rain is one thing, rain and cold another but it didn't phase him in the slightest.
I think Gussy is most likely the only promotion, but I am not sure anyone goes out, maybe the fast surface sees Kerridge or Palmer under the pump but it's tough to call a bloke after one outing.
I think a no change is the very short favorite.
Give Pickett a chance, noting he sees himself as a mid and not a small forward.....
Reckon Pickett will get one more chance on the dry ground at Etihad, I think he is a very skilled player but at the minute is more of a cameo type who needs to make more of his chances.
Gallucci was ordinary vs Port so I dont see a quick promotion for him, maybe a fit Jed Lamb might challenge Pickett for a place but I prefer we keep getting games into Pickett as he has more upside.
Re Jed Lamb, I'm not sure about him and I cant work him out. He's one of the blokes that doesn't do enough to get noticed yet doesn't do SFA either. He sort of flies under the radar to me, either that or I just dont look hard enough at what he does/doesnt do :o :o I could not definitively say whether he is fast, slow, skillful, unskillful, hard, soft etc etc. I am tempted to lean towards the old "VFL player at best" label.
Whats Sumner's story this year? Injured? CBFed?
On Lamb and Sumner : tough gig playing small forward for cfc at the moment.
On Lamb and Sumner : tough gig playing small forward for cfc at the moment.
Boekhorst got a bit of the ball in the VFL so he could be a chance, not sure what's going on with Dylan Buckley.
We've got about half a dozen small forwards, it's finding a good one that seems to be the problem.
It's interesting that some commentators are now reflecting on Richmond's and Melbourne's performances in the first two games in a positive light by declaring ..."Well maybe Carlton aren't so bad after all"...meaning their wins had a bit more merit than they were credited with at the time.
Big test this week against a side that will be determined to back up their win on the weekend.
We'll have a much better idea about our side after this game.
Boekhorst got a bit of the ball in the VFL so he could be a chance, not sure what's going on with Dylan Buckley.
We've got about half a dozen small forwards, it's finding a good one that seems to be the problem.
Buckley is playing small defender down back in what I see as a last ditch effort to stay on the list.....wasnt impressed with him vs Port and
he lacks nous under pressure and is a poor decision maker.
Boekhorst......if you rated him a rookie pick then you are probably getting what you paid for, but if you rated him a top 20 pick
then you are going to be disappointed, no way is he senior material based on what I witnessed...
Buckley is playing small defender down back in what I see as a last ditch effort to stay on the list.....wasnt impressed with him vs Port and
he lacks nous under pressure and is a poor decision maker.
Boekhorst......if you rated him a rookie pick then you are probably getting what you paid for, but if you rated him a top 20 pick
then you are going to be disappointed, no way is he senior material based on what I witnessed...
I'll cut Buckley some slack, but I think even he knows he needs to find another level to cut into the side.
Boekhorst I have to agree about, he doesn't seem to have another level, he looks to me to be another Kane Lucas or Troy Menzel. All I can say I hope he proves me wrong!
Buckley is playing small defender down back in what I see as a last ditch effort to stay on the list.....wasnt impressed with him vs Port and
he lacks nous under pressure and is a poor decision maker.
Boekhorst......if you rated him a rookie pick then you are probably getting what you paid for, but if you rated him a top 20 pick
then you are going to be disappointed, no way is he senior material based on what I witnessed...
We're barking up the wrong tree if we think that Buckley will get a spot as a running back.
Docherty, Simpson and Byrne to come, and who knows how good Williamson could be?
His only hope is as a small forward IMO and even that's a slim hope.
I've never really had much of an opinion of Boekhorst, or Lamb or Sumner either for that matter, I think Pickett shows more promise than any of them but it would be nice to have a couple.
Armfield is probably done and dusted but he's done well to play 140 games.
On Lamb and Sumner : tough gig playing small forward for cfc at the moment.
Wright does OK at it.
I think Lamb and Sumner just don't have attributes necessary to be a success as a small forward/midfielder. Samo and Pickett have gone past them - and the latter isn't setting the world on fire just yet.
We're barking up the wrong tree if we think that Buckley will get a spot as a running back.
Docherty, Simpson and Byrne to come, and who knows how good Williamson could be?
His only hope is as a small forward IMO and even that's a slim hope.
I've never really had much of an opinion of Boekhorst, or Lamb or Sumner either for that matter, I think Pickett shows more promise than any of them but it would be nice to have a couple.
Armfield is probably done and dusted but he's done well to play 140 games.
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That's exactly as I see it.
I don't really understand the lack of like for Lamb. He's no elite, but I thought he did quite well last year, and his kicking for goal is pretty spot on.
No change this week I'm tipping.
Weitering should be OK to play, Kerridge and Palmer were both average but deserve another chance on a dry track.
Pickett is only just going but there aren't any small forwards in the VFL crying out to be picked, and even though he hasn't done much what he's done has shown some polish and flair and he has genuine pace.
Reckon the slower of Kerridge and Palmer will have to step aside for C Curnow to return, and that'd be the only change. The more time SPS and Pickett can play together the better with the conditions under the canopy this week likely to suit both. Nice headache to give opposition coaches, matching up on those two... and then there's that other small forward, Matty Wright, who likes a goal or three!
This will be such a big test for us, firstly, playing in completely different conditions to last week. Reality is that Sunday's conditions slowed cheats.com.au which helped us and there failure to adapt to the conditions was very confusing but worked to our advantage... and secondly, the GC will be a very different proposition with their pace (when the better GC fronts up, rather than the rabble that fronted up a fortnight ago).
We're barking up the wrong tree if we think that Buckley will get a spot as a running back.
Docherty, Simpson and Byrne to come, and who knows how good Williamson could be?
His only hope is as a small forward IMO and even that's a slim hope.
I've never really had much of an opinion of Boekhorst, or Lamb or Sumner either for that matter, I think Pickett shows more promise than any of them but it would be nice to have a couple.
Armfield is probably done and dusted but he's done well to play 140 games.
Buckley might survive purely by time catching up with Simmo.
As Murphy said, our skills were not really a major factor in the attrocious conditions but they will be a much bigger factor v. The Suns. We will have minimise errors because they will punish them.
I don't really understand the lack of like for Lamb. He's no elite, but I thought he did quite well last year, and his kicking for goal is pretty spot on.
Like Sumner, Lamb simply doesn't do enough. We need small forwards who can kick goals, help lock the ball into the forward 50 and do their bit in the midfield rotations.
Any chance Smedts gets a gig?
Too many smalls on our list who aren't forwards or mids. They'll be thinned at end of season.
Will be interesting to see the effect of a win. Hopefully it has built a bit of confidence.
Buckley might survive purely by time catching up with Simmo.
Buckley has been around for 6 or 7 seasons now. Hasn't made the grade.
He won't get any better now.
Gone at the end of this season.
We need to shut down and play a hard tag on the little master. He might not be as damaging as he once was but as a team they seem to grow an extra leg when he is touching the footy. They don't have the same look about them when he is off his game plus he hates not having an influence and his attitude rubs off badly on his team mates when he cracks the sooks.
As he has lost a yard of pace I reckon Curnow can and has to negate his influence to help our chances.
If he gets 30 plus and kicks a few goals i reckon they win. Stopping him is a must to winning.
As Murphy said, our skills were not really a major factor in the attrocious conditions but they will be a much bigger factor v. The Suns. We will have minimise errors because they will punish them.
I think (hope!) the confidence gained from the Bombers win will see a direct translation into improved skill levels. Self belief is a very, very powerful thing!
We're barking up the wrong tree if we think that Buckley will get a spot as a running back.
Docherty, Simpson and Byrne to come, and who knows how good Williamson could be?
His only hope is as a small forward IMO
Yeah, I agree. He's a decent kick for goal, that bomb against the Dees (I think) last year in the rain was a belter. He's a natural half forward I would have thought.....and we're not inundated with others of this type.
I think (hope!) the confidence gained from the Bombers win will see a direct translation into improved skill levels. Self belief is a very, very powerful thing!
Agree and beating the Bummers was a great booster for our guys' belief. They executed a wet weather plan extremely well.
Buckley has been around for 6 or 7 seasons now. Hasn't made the grade.
He won't get any better now.
Gone at the end of this season.
I appreciate this point, however I see Simpson's career starting to taper off, and Buckley knows the role, and has shown that he can play it in a tandem with Docherty as recently as last season.
Just because Simpson is still keeping him out of the side, doesn't mean that Buckley can't make the grade in a similar role.
He has a few endearing attributes that we currently don't have in abundance (Pace) and in the JLT series copped a knock that stifled his ability to run.
He may very well go at the end of the season, but I wouldnt be quick to give him up without looking at what else we have coming into the side which is absolutely crucial to competant list management. Sheehan is in a similar boat. These blokes are currently marking time and need to make a mark or their AFL careers will come to an end.
I appreciate this point, however I see Simpson's career starting to taper off, and Buckley knows the role, and has shown that he can play it in a tandem with Docherty as recently as last season.
Just because Simpson is still keeping him out of the side, doesn't mean that Buckley can't make the grade in a similar role.
He has a few endearing attributes that we currently don't have in abundance (Pace) and in the JLT series copped a knock that stifled his ability to run.
He may very well go at the end of the season, but I wouldnt be quick to give him up without looking at what else we have coming into the side which is absolutely crucial to competant list management. Sheehan is in a similar boat. These blokes are currently marking time and need to make a mark or their AFL careers will come to an end.
I tend to agree with most of that, but I think Buckley needs to bridge a huge gap in intensity and consistency to get in the Simpson/Docherty type role. Plus if Simmo retires and we get hold of a KPF, we'll find Weiters drifting back which pushes Plowman and Marchbank into spots Simmo traditionally held. Lets not forget Byrne who is the goods, and as you suggest Sheahan who could also be the goods.
FWIW, I think Sheehan and Byrne are significantly better balls users than Buckley, possibly better ball users than Simmo! Can they read the play though? :o
Pickett, SPS are the goods for small forwards, Wright and Murphy have only a handful of years maybe Buckley needs to find a forward spot he can fill, very, very quickly!
Agree and beating the Bummers was a great booster for our guys' belief. They executed a wet weather plan extremely well.
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Will be interesting to see the effect of a win. Hopefully it has built a bit of confidence.
Indeed. Let's just hope the confidence thing doesn't apply to our opponents ;)
Where we win or lose this game is our forward line pressure.
If we lock the ball in when We have it up there we win. If we allow them to rebound without pressure they will kill us. It's as simple as that!
2 in row to square the season up.
Go Blues
Hear, hear.
We've tasted a nice juicy win and now we want more dagnamit.
Guy in the know on Big Footy says Fisher and Charlie for Kerridge and Palmer.
We shall find out.
Guy in the know on Big Footy says Fisher and Charlie for Kerridge and Palmer.
We shall find out.
Charlie needs a run in the twos's....
Charlie needs a run in the twos's....
Agreed, i'd be surprised if any changes bar injury.
Rather get another game in Charlie than waste it on someone else.
IN: Fisher and Curnow
OUT: Palmer and Kerridge.
Out with the slow, in with the quick (and future)
Backs 26. Harrison Macreadie 17. Sam Rowe 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs 15. Sam Docherty 22. Caleb Marchbank 31. Tom Williamson
Centreline 35. Ed Curnow 9. Patrick Cripps 6. Kade Simpson
Half-forwards 39. Dale Thomas 23. Jacob Weitering 5. Samo Petrevski-Seton
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 8. Matthew Kreuzer 1. Jack Silvagni
Followers 41. Levi Casboult 4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 43. Simon White 25. Zac Fisher 30. Charlie Curnow
33. Jarrod Pickett
Emergencies 16. Billie Smedts 32. Nick Graham 19. Liam Sumner
In: Fisher, C.Curnow
Out: Sam Kerridge (omitted), Rhys Palmer (omitted)
New: Zac Fisher (Perth Demons, WA)
Good Luck Fisher, hope all your footy dreams come true.
And hopefully the real Charlie C is ready to show the world how good he really is.
I think it might be a confidence thing, knowing if he belongs.
Go New Blues!
Backs 26. Harrison Macreadie 17. Sam Rowe 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs 15. Sam Docherty 22. Caleb Marchbank 31. Tom Williamson
Centreline 35. Ed Curnow 9. Patrick Cripps 6. Kade Simpson
Half-forwards 39. Dale Thomas 23. Jacob Weitering 5. Samo Petrevski-Seton
Forwards 46. Matthew Wright 8. Matthew Kreuzer 1. Jack Silvagni
Followers 41. Levi Casboult 4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange 43. Simon White 25. Zac Fisher 30. Charlie Curnow
33. Jarrod Pickett
Emergencies 16. Billie Smedts 32. Nick Graham 19. Liam Sumner
In: Fisher, C.Curnow
Out: Sam Kerridge (omitted), Rhys Palmer (omitted)
New: Zac Fisher (Perth Demons, WA)
Apart from very minor differences, due to our differing views, I think that's pretty close to the team we were all expecting.
I am sure that Bolts sat Palmer, Smedts and Kerridge down in front of the whiteboard and explained in detail, how they would be used this year and how they fit into the overall master plan and 'journey'. Hence, 'omitted' is quite harsh, probably 'not required this week' might be more accurate!
(I'm sure we'd have a couple of more mature bodies in if we were playing the Cats this week!)
I pretty much agree with the ins / outs but at this point you'd have to ask what Charlie has done to deserve his spot.
You want Kids? Kids I give you.
I pretty much agree with the ins / outs but at this point you'd have to ask what Charlie has done to deserve his spot.
Viewing the club's situation in context, I'm guessing the kids will be cut more slack than the senior blokes. Either that or a deliberate strategy (set number of games in one block etc.) from which the club will not deviate.
I pretty much agree with the ins / outs but at this point you'd have to ask what Charlie has done to deserve his spot.
He was in the side last week but was a late withdrawal...replaced by Palmer, so effectively that's not really a change.
He was in the side last week but was a late withdrawal...replaced by Palmer, so effectively that's not really a change.
But I take Jeza's point that after the first two games, Charlie didn't really do enough to hold his spot... hope he 'brings it' this Saturday.
The emergencies are interesting, in that neither Palmer nor Kerridge was made an emergency.
He was in the side last week but was a late withdrawal...replaced by Palmer, so effectively that's not really a change.
I'm still happy to see him play but he was absolutely dropped last week.
Mostly because of the conditions but he was still dropped.
But I take Jeza's point that after the first two games, Charlie didn't really do enough to hold his spot... hope he 'brings it' this Saturday.
The emergencies are interesting, in that neither Palmer nor Kerridge was made an emergency.
Obviously these two are just fill-ins - not part of our future. Charlie otoh needs to get plenty of exposure at senior level so that he can develop. This game is ideal for him.
But I take Jeza's point that after the first two games, Charlie didn't really do enough to hold his spot... hope he 'brings it' this Saturday.
The emergencies are interesting, in that neither Palmer nor Kerridge was made an emergency.
Graham's VFL form has been good, Smedts was stiff to be dropped but what has Sumner done?
I think Bolt's is getting rid of the hackers.
Armfield was terrible two weeks ago in his wayward delivery into the forward line and its bye bye.
Kerridge was given a chance but failed in that regard as well.
We've got other hackers but those two stood out as they brought little else to the table.
Graham's VFL form has been good, Smedts was stiff to be dropped but what has Sumner done?
Good question! You're spot on re Graham, love him or hate him he's been getting the aggott in the twos and his attitude has been first rate. Smedts just needs time... but Sumner... sheesh, yes he's quick but he hasn't done nearly enough to be near a call-up.
I think Bolt's is getting rid of the hackers.
Armfield was terrible two weeks ago in his wayward delivery into the forward line and its bye bye.
Kerridge was given a chance but failed in that regard as well.
We've got other hackers but those two stood out as they brought little else to the table.
Well picked and to support your observation is that Willo comes in and his disposal by foot is deadly accurate...
Graham's VFL form has been good, Smedts was stiff to be dropped but what has Sumner done?
Agree...Sumner didnt do much in the NB's game, only thing I can think of is he is quick and
GC would have to be one of the quicker teams in the comp so maybe his pace could be handy if we lost
a mid/small forward to injury pre game.
...and the little Fisher is also really accurate with disposal...
Good luck Zac Fisher, may it be the first of 200 games for the CFC.
2016 is looking like an outstanding recruiting year, not before time.
Good luck Zac Fisher, may it be the first of 200 games for the CFC.
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Agree.
Carlton
B: Harrison Macreadie, Sam Rowe, Lachie Plowman.
HB: Sam Docherty, Caleb Marchbank, Tom Williamson.
C: Ed Curnow, Patrick Cripps, Kade Simpson.
HF: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Sam Petrevski-Seton.
F: Matthew Wright, Matthew Kreuzer, Jack Silvagni.
R: Levi Casboult, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy.
Int: Smon White, Zac Fisher, Charlie Curnow, Jarrod Pickett.
Emg: Smedts, Nick Graham, Liam Sumner.
In: Zac Fisher, Charlie Curnow.
Out: Rhys Palmer (Omitted), Sam Kerridge (Omitted).
New: Zac Fisher
Gold Coast Suns
B: Jarrod Harbrow, Steven May, Jesse Joyce .
HB: Kade Kolodjashnij, Jack Leslie, Adam Saad.
C: David Swallow, Gary Ablett, Matt Rosa.
HF: Jarryd Lyons, Tom J. Lynch, Alex Sexton.
F: Touk Miller, Peter Wright, Jack Martin.
R: Jarrod Witts, Aaron Hall, Michael Barlow.
Int: Brayden Fiorini, Sean Lemmens, Jack Bowes, Brandon Matera.
Emg: Jesse Lonergan, Callum Ah Chee, Matt Shaw.
In: Jack Leslie
Out: Rory Thompson (Quad)
Looking at the Gold Coast team, it is amazing they are not winning games. Tom Lynch is as good a forward as there is going around at the moment. Jack Martin should be turning into a superstar. They have a lot of players ranked more highly than us. But what do they do?
On paper there should be NO chance of us winning. But we don't play footy on paper.
Good luck Zac Fisher, may it be the first of 200 games for the CFC.
2016 is looking like an outstanding recruiting year, not before time.
And there's Polson and McKay yet to come... (although McKay was recruited the year before when you factor in his injury, this is his first year).
Reckon the blokes who need at least a solid game to ensure selection for next week would be - Pickett, Thomas, Casboult and C Curnow. We need something from these blokes to help our confidence in them.
Congratulations Zac Fisher. May you quickly find your place and showcase your talents.
Here here. The list is looking more like a competitive and complete list every week. There will be plenty of inconsistencies to come, but the foundations are building nicely. Exciting times bluebaggers. Have fun.
Go new Blues
Looking forward to seeing Fisher.
Looks like we intend to bombard GC with a pace attack on a firm, dry track. Just hope the forwards can take advantage of any swift ball movement that we create.
Looks like we intend to bombard GC with a pace attack on a firm, dry track. Just hope the forwards can take advantage of any swift ball movement that we create.
As Clarko correctly said, leg speed and ball movement speed are not the same thing, and they don't always coexist in the same team. The latter is much more important than the former. We need to be moving the ball a lot faster - it's been too stop start in the first three rounds, giving the opposition too much time to set up.
As Clarko correctly said, leg speed and ball movement speed are not the same thing, and they don't always coexist in the same team. The latter is much more important than the former. We need to be moving the ball a lot faster - it's been too stop start in the first three rounds, giving the opposition too much time to set up.
Too much of our good work in trying to move the ball quickly has been undone by skill errors or poor disposal. I'm hoping the new guys will start to make a difference by eliminating this on a dry track. Kerridge (poor disposal) and Graham (slow/poor disposal) being dropped is part of this drive.
Too much of our good work in trying to move the ball quickly has been undone by skill errors or poor disposal. I'm hoping the new guys will start to make a difference by eliminating this on a dry track. Kerridge (poor disposal) and Graham (slow/poor disposal) being dropped is part of this drive.
Yes - although you need to get your goals within a certain time frame, because teams can only hang onto the ball for short periods at a time.
If you watch any game of footy, the most any team can hang onto the ball is 2 or 3 minutes, and that's a maximum, even when they play keepings off. After this time period, you either turn it over to the opposition, or else the ball becomes contested. Teams can of course string together a few of these 2 or 3 minute plays, but even then it's a stretch.
There is merit in the "play on fast" style of play, because you're seeking the quickest possible avenue to goal, and trying to score before the inevitable turnover occurs. Too much dicking around with the ball is a big problem for us IMO.
A lot of faith being shown in Charlie, straight in after injury.
A lot of faith being shown in Charlie, straight in after injury.
The kid has talent, he has shown it, he just lacks the confidence that he belongs.
Maybe he has taken a big hit or something else is in his head or even what BB is asking him to do goes against his natural game style.
So he is always double checking his actions not doing things 2nd nature like.
He just needs a game where he takes a couple of grabs in front of goals and slots them and then I think we will see the real CC.
Just say CC :D
Too much of our good work in trying to move the ball quickly has been undone by skill errors or poor disposal. I'm hoping the new guys will start to make a difference by eliminating this on a dry track. Kerridge (poor disposal) and Graham (slow/poor disposal) being dropped is part of this drive.
Been dropped before getting a game! Harsh.
I think you mean Palmer. ;)
The kid has talent, he has shown it, he just lacks the confidence that he belongs.
Maybe he has taken a big hit or something else is in his head or even what BB is asking him to do goes against his natural game style.
So he is always double checking his actions not doing things 2nd nature like.
He just needs a game where he takes a couple of grabs in front of goals and slots them and then I think we will see the real CC.
Just say CC :D
i recall back when the 2015 draft was imminent there were a few scribes suggesting young Charlie could even have been a possible #1 in his draft but for that indiscretion!!
His ability to play anywhere is extraordinary and what? He's now grown to 194cm or so? Yes, he should be given time, Bolts needs to work out how to best use him to get him involved in a game....
Been dropped before getting a game! Harsh.
I think you mean Palmer. ;)
Sorry, my mistake! I think Graham would be seen in similar light though even so.
I'm still happy to see him play but he was absolutely dropped last week.
Mostly because of the conditions but he was still dropped.
re Curnow
It could have only been because of the conditions on Sunday because if he was fit to play it wouldn't have made a lot of sense to deny him game time in the VFL on Saturday.
re Curnow
It could have only been because of the conditions on Sunday because if he was fit to play it wouldn't have made a lot of sense to deny him game time in the VFL on Saturday.
He was effectively emergency anyway meaning he still wouldn't have played.
More often than not we have a late change. Do you think there is a plague of warm up injuries affecting the club... or Bolton loves trying to wrong foot the opposition lineup?
Still think that at this stage it's important for him to be playing games not sitting on the sidelines.
If fit... he plays. Whether that's in the first team or VFL
In fact given his start to the season it's probably important for him to be getting game time.
His playing or missing for Palmer wouldn't have caused Essendon to much heartache in terms of tactical match-ups
It's very early doors still with Charlie Curnow but I would have liked to see him impact some games a bit more than he has to date.
He has undoubted talent but I hope we aren't still talking about his potential and lack of confidence in two years from now.
Petrevski-Seton, on the other hand................................. :)
Fisher looks like a hard at it terrier from the little I've seen, not overly possessed of skills and like a lot of left footers doesn't have a strong right side, but some players can make that work.
I'm looking forward to watching him play and if he can measure up he could be the engine room player we need to give Cripps a chop out.
Loving that Bolts isn't afraid to play the kids, and so far, they all look like they belong at senior level. This has to be one of the youngest Carlton teams ever fielded at AFL senior level. About half the side is 22 and under.
Such a refreshing approach, and one we ve never experienced before, as the last time we tried to 'rebuild and had a plethora of early picks, we had the two clowns Pagan and Hughes in charge and were pissing picks away on duds like Russell, Bower, Hampson, Grigg, Hartlett etc.
Such a refreshing approach, and one we ve never experienced before, as the last time we tried to 'rebuild and had a plethora of early picks, we had the two clowns Pagan and Hughes in charge and were pissing picks away on duds like Russell, Bower, Hampson, Grigg, Hartlett etc.
Without wanting to dredge up the past Pagan was banned from the draft for his first two seasons and Russell's was an ordinary draft after the top half dozen.
I agree that our second and third rounders have been mostly duds but that has applied for almost two decades and still applied only a couple of seasons ago, long after Pagan departed.
Do Boekhorst, Vojo-Rainbow, Smith, Giles, Holman and Temay ring any bells?
We should wait and see how things pan out before we start thinking we've finally mastered the draft.
It's very early doors still with Charlie Curnow but I would have liked to see him impact some games a bit more than he has to date.
He has undoubted talent but I hope we aren't still talking about his potential and lack of confidence in two years from now.
Petrevski-Seton, on the other hand................................. :)
Fisher looks like a hard at it terrier from the little I've seen, not overly possessed of skills and like a lot of left footers doesn't have a strong right side, but some players can make that work.
I'm looking forward to watching him play and if he can measure up he could be the engine room player we need to give Cripps a chop out.
Fisher is a smart player and has good evasion in traffic, I wanted him pre draft because he is a natural footballer rather than an athlete, I think his skills are ok and having no right foot wont hurt him
as he can work on that for the future. Only negative I see is his size, 175cm and 68kg is a tough ask at senior AFL level especially with the fad of having bigger bodied mids still with us.
Hopefully he can grow a bit and be smart enough to overcome his lack of size as plenty have done before him....SOS was on the money drafting him and I expect him to play plenty of good senior footy in the Navy Blue....reckon he is a natural replacement for Kade Simpson...KS was a smallish winger when he started and found life tough early but the rest is history..
Fisher is a smart player and has good evasion in traffic, I wanted him pre draft because he is a natural footballer rather than an athlete, I think his skills are ok and having no right foot wont hurt him
as he can work on that for the future. Only negative I see is his size, 175cm and 68kg is a tough ask at senior AFL level especially with the fad of having bigger bodied mids still with us.
Hopefully he can grow a bit and be smart enough to overcome his lack of size as plenty have done before him....SOS was on the money drafting him and I expect him to play plenty of good senior footy in the Navy Blue....reckon he is a natural replacement for Kade Simpson...KS was a smallish winger when he started and found life tough early but the rest is history..
In one of the pre-season training clips, Fisher takes on Casboult. Casboult nailed him but Fisher showed no hesitation in trying to get past the big bloke. If that's his attitude, I don't expect his small stature to hold him back.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!
And that reminds me of the Chihuahua that killed the Great Dane ... the Great Dane choked trying to swallow the Chihuahua ;)
I'm looking forward to watching him play and if he can measure up he could be the engine room player we need to give Cripps a chop out.
Not sure a kid 68kg will be given the task of providing Cripps with a chop out. He's more 'see ball, get ball, take 'me on, then deliver!'.
Not sure a kid 68kg will be given the task of providing Cripps with a chop out. He's more 'see ball, get ball, take 'me on, then deliver!'.
Exactly I see him in the mould of Isaac Smith or Gaff. I would love him to just develop into a powerhouse runner especially like Smith and just deliver.
Everyone will talk about his size but he has smarts to cover that I think and be really effective on the outside.
Not sure a kid 68kg will be given the task of providing Cripps with a chop out. He's more 'see ball, get ball, take 'me on, then deliver!'.
Admittedly I've only seen about 5 or 10 minutes of him but he doesn't seem to mind mixing it up in the heat of things.
It's not the size of the dog in the fight, as the old saying goes, but we'll see what he's made of soon enough.
In regards to Fischer we've heard the same thing about lightweight / skinny players over and over again. Blokes like Hunter, Flower, Camporeale and Simpson were all too small to make it at AFL level apparently!
You have to be big and strong with mature AFL ready bodies like Matthew Watson, Aisake O'hAilpin, Rob Warnock, Paul Bower or Kane Lucas! ;)
My only concern picking so many kids, is that we have too many kids and no guardians!
In regards to Fischer we've heard the same thing about lightweight / skinny players over and over again. Blokes like Hunter, Flower, Camporeale and Simpson were all too small to make it at AFL level apparently!
You have to be big and strong with mature AFL ready bodies like Matthew Watson, Aisake O'hAilpin, Rob Warnock, Paul Bower or Kane Lucas! ;)
My only concern picking so many kids, is that we have too many kids and no guardians!
That was my concern too LP but it's a lot less of a concern after the last round. The kids seem more than capable of looking after themselves.
In regards to Fischer we've heard the same thing about lightweight / skinny players over and over again. Blokes like Hunter, Flower, Camporeale and Simpson were all too small to make it at AFL level apparently!
You have to be big and strong with mature AFL ready bodies like Matthew Watson, Aisake O'hAilpin, Rob Warnock, Paul Bower or Kane Lucas! ;)
My only concern picking so many kids, is that we have too many kids and no guardians!
Completely agree. In regards to playing too many kids, I completely understand but who are our guardians really? I mean our captain and other leaders still need guardians for themselves to be honest.
My only concern picking so many kids, is that we have too many kids and no guardians!
Agreed, that's where the Palmers and Kerridges are more likely to be used against Geelong etc where the young bodies would need some protection.
The kids seem more than capable of looking after themselves.
That they do, we seem to have a solid bunch.
Congrats on Fischer making his debut , will be interesting to see how he goes, wish him well.
That was my concern too LP but it's a lot less of a concern after the last round. The kids seem more than capable of looking after themselves.
Yep. I was worried about that too, but it didn't hurt us last week.at all.
The wet conditions last week suited us and slowed the game down which makes tackling easier too.
Today will give us an indication of where we are in dry, good weather conditions against some pretty quick players.
As long as we all remember we have 5 first year players which is a very rare thing in AFL footy these days.
I reckon we'll go OK, but I'm not counting on a win yet.
Yep. I was worried about that too, but it didn't hurt us last week.at all.
The wet conditions last week suited us and slowed the game down which makes tackling easier too.
Today will give us an indication of where we are in dry, good weather conditions against some pretty quick players.
As long as we all remember we have 5 first year players which is a very rare thing in AFL footy these days.
I reckon we'll go OK, but I'm not counting on a win yet.
Reasonable expectations S. We'll be doing very well to win this one but I'm looking forward to it.
The enthusiasm of youth is infectious, I wouldn't put anything past them.
The enthusiasm of youth is infectious, I wouldn't put anything past them.
They have probably been encouraged to have a crack and not worry about the consequences.