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Title: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: townsendcalling on October 10, 2017, 10:46:29 pm
35 yo, plays full 90 minutes plus time on, and just slots a lazy 2 in the back of the net to save Australia (and Ange’s job!)

Superstar. ⭐️
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Gointocarlton on October 10, 2017, 10:49:52 pm
35 yo, plays full 90 minutes plus time on, and just slots a lazy 2 in the back of the net to save Australia (and Ange’s job!)

Superstar. ⭐️
unbelievable.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Thryleon on October 10, 2017, 10:59:06 pm
That was woeful.

Ange is stepping down irrespective of what happens according to my mail.

He won't coach beyond the middle of next year.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: flyboy77 on October 11, 2017, 12:04:50 am
That was woeful.

Ange is stepping down irrespective of what happens according to my mail.

He won't coach beyond the middle of next year.

hopeless.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 01:09:40 am
35 yo, plays full 90 minutes plus time on, and just slots a lazy 2 in the back of the net to save Australia (and Ange’s job!)

Superstar. ⭐️

Agree, with the slight alteration he is 37

He has also scored the most goals of any English Premier League player who hasn't scored from outside the box.
59/59 goals from inside the box. He is about 20 ahead of the next highest
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Jeffy38 on October 11, 2017, 08:09:13 am
Saved our bacon that's for sure.

If only players like rogic had a 10th of his aggression and desire.....
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: LP on October 11, 2017, 08:15:35 am
I'm not a big soccer fan, but from what I can tell without Cahill the rest of the squad is utter rubbish and doesn't deserve a spot in the World Cup.

We are sneaking into the main draw like Zimbabwe sneaked into test cricket, undeservedly!
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Bear on October 11, 2017, 09:35:01 am
That was woeful.

Ange is stepping down irrespective of what happens according to my mail.

He won't coach beyond the middle of next year.

I'm no expert, but something doesn't look right with Ange... either the pressure is getting to him (it's not an easy gig), or he knows he doesn't have a good enough team, or the players aren't responding.But he hasn't looked his normal self in recent months.

I'd say he would have to go if we didn't qualify, but i'm not sure there is much point in qualifying... we are an ordinary team at the moment.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Bear on October 11, 2017, 09:35:39 am
... and someone should build a massive statue of Tim Cahill.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: flyboy77 on October 11, 2017, 10:06:13 am
Pissing off Mooy hardly a great tactical start....like in the first leg, why leave Cahill and Rogic on the bench most of the game?

Even if on 1 leg, those blokes are proven game changers....

Maybe the bloke's ego has got the better of him?
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Bear on October 11, 2017, 10:35:17 am
Pissing off Mooy hardly a great tactical start....like in the first leg, why leave Cahill and Rogic on the bench most of the game?

Even if on 1 leg, those blokes are proven game changers....

Maybe the bloke's ego has got the better of him?

Malaysia game was played in humid conditions... I think he might have been trying to ensure we had enough in the tank for the second leg... both sides looked to be cooked by the end of extra time last night.

Was surprised with Mooy also.

Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 10:42:58 am
Ange is a dead man walking. It is hugely disappointing for Australia, because after the way he had the Roar playing a few seasons back, many considered in Australia that we finally had a world class coach and that when he did eventually take control of the national team, it would herald our next glory years.

Unfortunately he has been a failure as the national coach despite the Asian Cup. He is steadfast in his own belief, which all the great managers are, but he isn't backing it up with the Australian team.

Now to also be fair, this is an Australia team that could best be compared to the early 90s teams. There are a handful of decent players in there, but this isn't a team of quality.

In our qualifying game against Uruguay in 2005.
We had
Bresciano, Cahill & Aloisi on the bench  :o
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: LP on October 11, 2017, 10:50:57 am
Are any of our current list of players among the top ranked in the world ratings?
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 10:56:34 am
Are any of our current list of players among the top ranked in the world ratings?
There is not an Australian in the top 500 players in the world in reality at present
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: LP on October 11, 2017, 11:10:18 am
There is not an Australian in the top 500 players in the world in reality at present

And there it is.

All the local media pump these guys up as World Soccer Superstars, and bemoan them being pushed or beaten by a bunch of unknowns or minnows. But in reality I can often find players from the opposition who are in the world rankings, yet I cannot find the Australians.

Perhaps there is some systematic reason for this, games played, travel, etc., etc., but it seems hard to explain if we are the under-performing soccer superstars that is alleged by many domestic media commentators.

Maybe the players we have are just no good, past it, or living on undeserved reputations and we should stop blaming the coach!

To me it looks like the Australian Soccer and Australian Cricket teams are full of over-rated highlight reel players who pick and choose when and where to make an effort! They play like they have Premiership hangover, yet have won relatively nothing!

Another curiosity for me, where are all the indigenous players, you'd think they'd have a lot of those blokes covered for speed and agility.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Thryleon on October 11, 2017, 11:21:58 am
Ange is a dead man walking. It is hugely disappointing for Australia, because after the way he had the Roar playing a few seasons back, many considered in Australia that we finally had a world class coach and that when he did eventually take control of the national team, it would herald our next glory years.

Unfortunately he has been a failure as the national coach despite the Asian Cup. He is steadfast in his own belief, which all the great managers are, but he isn't backing it up with the Australian team.

Now to also be fair, this is an Australia team that could best be compared to the early 90s teams. There are a handful of decent players in there, but this isn't a team of quality.

In our qualifying game against Uruguay in 2005.
We had
Bresciano, Cahill & Aloisi on the bench  :o

NEWS:

Stepping down in November irrespective of outcome will not coach at the World Cup next year.

As for coaches, there is one saying that is true.

Either you leave a hero, or stick around long enough to become a villain.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: flyboy77 on October 11, 2017, 11:24:11 am
There is not an Australian in the top 500 players in the world in reality at present

Sam Kerr!
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 11:25:22 am
Just a few points
The A-League was considered that it wouldn't be far off Championship level when it was formed.
Now, at very best is would be equivalent to League One (Division 3) in England.

I just done a quick check on FIFA 18 as well and Mooy is the only outfield player for Australia that is ranked as a 'gold card'
Now that doesn't mean much to those that don't play, but it just means that based on their statistical rating of players, (where 99 is the highest number), he s the only outfield player ranked above 75. (Also 2 Keepers are ranked the same as him.. 77).

Now just to put in perspective. There are almost 1750 players in the world ranked at 75 or above and about 900 of them are ranked higher than Mooy's 77.

Now this doesn't 'prove' anything, except that EA would put more time, money and resources into their analytics than probably any other organisation in the world, so it would be considered currently the most accurate 'rating' system for players out there, though it is of course not a guaranteed 'ranking'.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 11:26:35 am
Sam Kerr!

lol I LOVE Sam Kerr
She is the most marketable Aussie Footballer in the world at present.

She isn't in the best 500 overall players in the world of course, but she might just be in the top handful of women's.
Superstar!!
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 11:28:34 am
NEWS:

Stepping down in November irrespective of outcome will not coach at the World Cup next year.

As for coaches, there is one saying that is true.

Either you leave a hero, or stick around long enough to become a villain.
Or you are Alex Ferguson  ;)

I think he would still be winning the Prem these days, FREAK.

But you are right, just look at the Wegner situation at Arsenal. When he leaves I actually think Arsenal might drop from the top tier, but they are constantly calling for his head.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: LP on October 11, 2017, 11:30:45 am
Sam Kerr!

Any Soccerroos?
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Thryleon on October 11, 2017, 11:31:31 am
Just a few points
The A-League was considered that it wouldn't be far off Championship level when it was formed.
Now, at very best is would be equivalent to League One (Division 3) in England.

I just done a quick check on FIFA 18 as well and Mooy is the only outfield player for Australia that is ranked as a 'gold card'
Now that doesn't mean much to those that don't play, but it just means that based on their statistical rating of players, (where 99 is the highest number), he s the only outfield player ranked above 75. (Also 2 Keepers are ranked the same as him.. 77).

Now just to put in perspective. There are almost 1750 players in the world ranked at 75 or above and about 900 of them are ranked higher than Mooy's 77.

Now this doesn't 'prove' anything, except that EA would put more time, money and resources into their analytics than probably any other organisation in the world, so it would be considered currently the most accurate 'rating' system for players out there, though it is of course not a guaranteed 'ranking'.

Maybe, I reckon FIFA would be a bit subjective about its rankings too, and would do a bit based on popularity (i.e. statistically biased upwards for a bloke playing in La Liga, who might have come from another division elsewhere and jumped up the rankings for it after one season).

Still, you are not half wrong to look at this.

Surprised Leckie isnt rated higher to be honest, but anyway, its going to be an interesting few years for Aussie Soccer moving forward.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 11:32:51 am
OMG....
Trinidad & Tobago just scored againt USA to go 1-0 up.
USA are still through, but if Honduras or Panama go a goal up, USA would be our opposition to get to the World Cup

Ans I did not read your comment correctly Thry...
AMAZING
He should be sacked immediately.

We can't have a different coach after the last qualifying that is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Thryleon on October 11, 2017, 11:35:31 am
OMG....
Trinidad & Tobago just scored againt USA to go 1-0 up.
USA are still through, but if Honduras or Panama go a goal up, USA would be our opposition to get to the World Cup

Ans I did not read your comment correctly Thry...
AMAZING
He should be sacked immediately.

We can't have a different coach after the last qualifying that is ridiculous.

All good MIO.

Personally, I think its genius. 

http://www.news.com.au/sport/football/stunned-reaction-to-socceroos-coach-ange-postecoglous-plan-to-quit/news-story/4d56af3e53bd57c4c726f6d4a2e826d8

AUSTRALIAN football is in shock after revelations Ange Postecoglou has no plans on leading the Socceroos at next year’s World Cup.

A Herald Sun report reveals Postecoglou will walk away from his post next month, regardless of whether his team qualifies for the tournament or not.

Postecoglou had originally earmarked a plan to step down after the competition, starting in Russia in June next year, but appears to have brought his exit forward in a stunning turn of events.

The 52-year-old’s shock decision is prompted by the scathing criticism he has received over recent months, according to the Herald Sun’s David Davutovic.

The bombshell comes just a day after the Socceroos survived a tense playoff against Syria with a 2-1 extra-time win in Melbourne.

Postecoglou has endured a tumultuous few months after Australia failed to qualify directly for the World Cup.

Australia still has to progress past a home-and-away playoff against a team from the CONCACAF region to secure a berth.

How this revelation affects his player’s — many of whom are extremely loyal to the boss — remains to be seen.

Australian football must also decide if it wants Postecoglou in charge during next month’s matches against the fourth-ranked team from the Americas — or to immediately install his replacement.

Tony Popovic and Graham Arnold have already been earmarked as potential replacements by former Socceroo Dean Heffernan.

“After the success we’ve had with an Australian-based coach you’d think Football Australia would want to continue on with a local coach,” Heffernan told Fox Sports 500.
Socceroos coach Ange Postecoglou embraces Tim Cahill. Picture: Brett Costello

Socceroos coach Ange Postecoglou embraces Tim Cahill. Picture: Brett CostelloSource:News Corp Australia

The former Brisbane Roar and Melbourne Victory mentor took the reins of the national team in 2013, losing all three group stage matches at the 2014 World Cup in Brazil before claiming the 2015 Asian Cup on home soil.

He has been criticised by former Socceroos players this year for changing the team’s formation but has refused to change an approach he felt would leave the team best-placed to win in Russia.

“I think it’s shocked everyone but the word coming out seems to be that he’s just had enough of being undermined,” Fox Sports commentator Brenton Speed said.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: LP on October 11, 2017, 11:36:44 am
Just a few points
The A-League was considered that it wouldn't be far off Championship level when it was formed.
Now, at very best is would be equivalent to League One (Division 3) in England.

I just done a quick check on FIFA 18 as well and Mooy is the only outfield player for Australia that is ranked as a 'gold card'
Now that doesn't mean much to those that don't play, but it just means that based on their statistical rating of players, (where 99 is the highest number), he s the only outfield player ranked above 75. (Also 2 Keepers are ranked the same as him.. 77).

Now just to put in perspective. There are almost 1750 players in the world ranked at 75 or above and about 900 of them are ranked higher than Mooy's 77.

Now this doesn't 'prove' anything, except that EA would put more time, money and resources into their analytics than probably any other organisation in the world, so it would be considered currently the most accurate 'rating' system for players out there, though it is of course not a guaranteed 'ranking'.

Thanks MIO, that is a great explanation, so it seems to me we are performing roughly at our level.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: madbluboy on October 11, 2017, 12:03:27 pm
Just a few points
The A-League was considered that it wouldn't be far off Championship level when it was formed.
Now, at very best is would be equivalent to League One (Division 3) in England.

I just done a quick check on FIFA 18 as well and Mooy is the only outfield player for Australia that is ranked as a 'gold card'
Now that doesn't mean much to those that don't play, but it just means that based on their statistical rating of players, (where 99 is the highest number), he s the only outfield player ranked above 75. (Also 2 Keepers are ranked the same as him.. 77).

Now just to put in perspective. There are almost 1750 players in the world ranked at 75 or above and about 900 of them are ranked higher than Mooy's 77.

Now this doesn't 'prove' anything, except that EA would put more time, money and resources into their analytics than probably any other organisation in the world, so it would be considered currently the most accurate 'rating' system for players out there, though it is of course not a guaranteed 'ranking'.

How are you finding FIFA 18? I got it the day it came out but have only managed to play it a handful of times because I have an 8 month old and 2 1/2 year old. I thought it was supposed to be a big upgrade on FIFA 17 but have been a little disappointed.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 12:22:51 pm
Yeah not a great fan of it so far.
The Journey is a big upgrade on last year, in that the story line is longer, but it is still extremely linear, so becomes a little boring.

The 3 areas that I have noticed the biggest differences are

1) Tackling. I always have used "Legacy Defending" as I don't like the "Tactical Defending", but this year it feels "off". It seems much more difficult to defend. Just as an example, the last 2 years I have completed Division 1 seasons on the World League which last year the difficulty level was
Ultimate
Ultimate
Ultimate
Legendary
Ultimate
Ultimate
Ultimate
Ultimate
Legendary
Ultimate

To win, you had to win all 10, so the way I played I needed to keep a lot of clean sheets (I play a very high possession game, rather than fast break).

This year.. I am even getting scored against in the new "Squad Battles" format on professional level, with the Full Backs missing tackles far too often.

2) Dribbling. Whilst FiFA 15-17 made a lot of steps forward with dribbling, I have yet to get the technique in this one. Holding the ball is much the same, but those dinky little stepovers or even fake pass/shots just done seem as smooth so far.

3) Shooting.. Sending Finesse shots over the bar from 6 yards, or not being able to find the corners of the nets this year has been really frustrating. I am sure that is just something that needs some time to develop. but in one squad battle I had something like 16 shots and couldn't score. I felt like Man United when they used to play against Blackburn and Friedel was in goal.

It is probably just that I haven't taken the time to adapt and it is always easier to play the previous version, but so far those issues have dampened my enthusiasm a fair bit for it this year.

I have only played 2 1-1 games so far against my son, so I can't really compare the head to head features this year.

I got the early release Ronaldo Edition and after the 1st week, I have only probably played it a further 5 times
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: mateinone on October 11, 2017, 01:41:39 pm
USA are OUT of the World Cup
Amazing really and FIFA will be pissed.

We are playing Honduras in what will likely be one of the most spiteful games Australia have played in.
Honduras were filthy going into the last world cup and during it. We can expect a lot of diving and more than the occasional filthy tackle in these games
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Gointocarlton on October 11, 2017, 02:23:54 pm
USA are OUT of the World Cup
Amazing really and FIFA will be pissed.

We are playing Honduras in what will likely be one of the most spiteful games Australia have played in.
Honduras were filthy going into the last world cup and during it. We can expect a lot of diving and more than the occasional filthy tackle in these games
Par for the course with that stupid game. Officialdom must stamp out the rubbish, the Syrians did it last night, lying on the ground like they had been shot and wasting time, the ref did nothing. Bring in a rule that if you stay down for me than say 10 seconds, your off for 20 minutes and cant be replaced. That rubbish would be eliminated immediately. The coach was practically on the ground and refs did nothing. Red card them immediately and coaches will commence staying with their tech area.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: flyboy77 on October 11, 2017, 02:32:07 pm
The US screwed up. Very badly indeed.
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: Jeffy38 on October 11, 2017, 05:21:04 pm
Par for the course with that stupid game. Officialdom must stamp out the rubbish, the Syrians did it last night, lying on the ground like they had been shot and wasting time, the ref did nothing. Bring in a rule that if you stay down for me than say 10 seconds, your off for 20 minutes and cant be replaced. That rubbish would be eliminated immediately. The coach was practically on the ground and refs did nothing. Red card them immediately and coaches will commence staying with their tech area.

Cost them the game tho, if it had gone another 5 minutes the Aussies would have copped one. We're lucky as it was....
Title: Re: Tim Cahill - What Can You Say!
Post by: malo on November 14, 2017, 10:01:49 am
So.......what will Italy be doing next year while the World Cup is on ?