Carlton skipper Marc Murphy has taken more a vocal lead in his second summer in charge as his confidence in the top role continues to grow.
Murphy is not a natural extrovert, the same of which can be said about the Blues' leadership group in recent years.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/marc-murphy-growing-into-leadership-role-20140115-30u4h.html
He needs to lead by example out on the field.
He needs to lead by example out on the field.
Most grow into the leadership role.
Marc just needs to lift his consistency and win the ball at every contest, every week and the rest will follow.
If we/he has another year like last, there will be lots of pressure on him in regards to keeping the captaincy.
He needs to lead by example out on the field.
Most grow into the leadership role.
Marc just needs to lift his consistency and win the ball at every contest, every week and the rest will follow.
I've come to the realisation he's not ever going to win the hard ball, I just want him to at least chase and tackle with intent, he must lead the way in this department if he's going to a great leader. I remember a game against North last year where he really made one stick early in the game which resulted in a goal. No doubt it lifted the side. Then I've just seen him let players walk through his tackles only to see Menzel make it stick against the same player just minutes later. That type of stuff is unacceptable. No doubt he's well liked and respected within the club. Time to make use of the influence he has over his team.
Yawn.
He needs to lead by example out on the field.
Most grow into the leadership role.
Marc just needs to lift his consistency and win the ball at every contest, every week and the rest will follow.
I've come to the realisation he's not ever going to win the hard ball, I just want him to at least chase and tackle with intent, he must lead the way in this department if he's going to a great leader. I remember a game against North last year where he really made one stick early in the game which resulted in a goal. No doubt it lifted the side. Then I've just seen him let players walk through his tackles only to see Menzel make it stick against the same player just minutes later. That type of stuff is unacceptable. No doubt he's well liked and respected within the club. Time to make use of the influence he has over his team.
See, i don't get this coming from you.
I used to be critical of 2 of your favourite players for doing the exact same thing. One, a former captain and both former B+F winners. Both were not known for getting the hard ball and were very much receivers. Both would have less tackling ability than our current captain. You support them and chastise Murph?
FYI, Bradley and Campo.
To be fair, it is a very different game now. In the 95 GF, we only had 4 players with more than 1 tackle to their name (Geelong had 6). Even if you take a tighter match like the preliminary final the year before, it's not much better.
But both went when it was their turn.
One of my favourite aspects of Campo's game was his willingness to run down opponents. It's almost like he got some sort of perverse satisfaction out of it. He used to chase and tackle with real intent.
Bradley my memory has faded with regards to his defensive side but I remember in his final year when we were getting smacked and had no ball winners he was in there winning the hard ball at the ripe old age of 37(?). Played through a wet day with broken ribs.
Murph is a brilliant footballer. If he could improve on his weaknesses he could be one of our best ever. It'll be a shame if we never see it.
If Gibbs steps up to the plate and we have Judd and Thomas fit, Murphy won't have the pressure on him to perform. He may be a better player with support around him. I think the whole captain issue did his head in along with injuries here and there.
Yay another thread for Carrots to bag murphy in.
Murphy musy have been going for the soft receive when he busted his shoulder or when Hodge busted his cheekbone.
Bradley and hardball dont fit in the same sentence.
You can label almost anyone a soft outside runner if you want to.
Where have I bagged him?
The fact that many of you will not hear a bad word said about him proves my point. I say he needs to be more accountable and all of a sudden I'm bagging him. Don't be so precious, he is not beyond criticism and not good enough to just prance about the field and be unaccountable, especially as captain. Did I not say he's a brilliant footballer? I just want him to be the best he can be for the betterment of our side.
Now I will shut my mouth so as not to upset most people's lovechild. As you were Thryleon.
I still have my reservations about how good of a leader Murphy can become, for mine he is a watered down version of Judd as captain and picked basically because he was our best player. After the years of Judd being captain I felt we needed a more junk yard dog style captain especially given the nature of the players we have at the club.
Great leaders for me make their teammates walk taller out on the ground, which is basically where it is all said and done. I don't think Murphy will ever have that affect as a leader, nonetheless I hope he does prove me wrong as I just want to see no.17 being lifted.
He needs to lead by example out on the field.
Most grow into the leadership role.
Marc just needs to lift his consistency and win the ball at every contest, every week and the rest will follow.
I've come to the realisation he's not ever going to win the hard ball, I just want him to at least chase and tackle with intent, he must lead the way in this department if he's going to a great leader. I remember a game against North last year where he really made one stick early in the game which resulted in a goal. No doubt it lifted the side. Then I've just seen him let players walk through his tackles only to see Menzel make it stick against the same player just minutes later. That type of stuff is unacceptable. No doubt he's well liked and respected within the club. Time to make use of the influence he has over his team.
You have been beating this drum for the last 2 years and its BS.
You actually started with Judd, and then we turned him into an inside midfielder and broke him and then you moved on to Murphy.
Its not about love child, or negative words, its about a biased opinion against him because he got what you would call Carrazzo's captaincy.
Carry on yourself.
You have been beating this drum for the last 2 years and its BS.
You actually started with Judd, and then we turned him into an inside midfielder and broke him and then you moved on to Murphy.
Its not about love child, or negative words, its about a biased opinion against him because he got what you would call Carrazzo's captaincy.
Carry on yourself.
That's an easy cop out for you well done!
I have been on to Murph well before any captaincy and if you go back through the threads in 2011 I was in full support of him because he changed his game and did some of the tough stuff, chased tackled etc.
You think you know everything but in reality you know sweet FA, especially about me and my opinions.
Show me where I bagged Murphy in this thread oh precious one. Or are you just a little too defensive?
@JC
Agree 100%.
And FWIW smarta55, Carrazzo would've been a sht captain he cant even get on the park and this year he'll be 31. I have said many times last year that in hindsight you wouldn't have had Carrazzo as captain anyway. You can quote me on that but then you have nothing to work with. Enjoy.
You have been beating this drum for the last 2 years and its BS.
You actually started with Judd, and then we turned him into an inside midfielder and broke him and then you moved on to Murphy.
Its not about love child, or negative words, its about a biased opinion against him because he got what you would call Carrazzo's captaincy.
Carry on yourself.
That's an easy cop out for you well done!
I have been on to Murph well before any captaincy and if you go back through the threads in 2011 I was in full support of him because he changed his game and did some of the tough stuff, chased tackled etc.
You think you know everything but in reality you know sweet FA, especially about me and my opinions.
Show me where I bagged Murphy in this thread oh precious one. Or are you just a little too defensive?
@JC
Agree 100%.
I bolded a statement for you. You dont like it, fair enough, but I have seen you support players (from multiple codes reminding you of where I first came to know you) and not accept criticism of them, and give them every excuse in the book for not doing the same things that you are more than ready to throw at other players as criticism.
In regards to me being too defensive, perhaps thats true. Although I'd like to think I'm not, but I want fair criticisms of our players.
Some matches you can state that they didnt do these things. Not as a general rule of how they play footy though which is what you are in fact saying here.
In any case, apologies if I offended you. I dont pretend to know everything, I just provide my opinion on stuff and if people agree or disagree then so be it.
Apology accepted.
Murphy needs to worry about getting a kick more than leadership.....you to tend to be a better leader when you are having personal success on the field and its all due to confidence. He was injured and the taggers had his measure last season, if he has overcome his injury and Dean Laidley has some strategies to help him get a kick then his leadership wont be an issue.
With Betts gone I'm keen for Murphy to spend time forward and become a regular goalkicker ...ditto for Gibbs.
I agree Murphy is a super dangerous forward perhaps he's better suited there with the odd stint in the middle.
We can't continue to have our better players out of the middle. We won't be going anywhere is we stay on that course.
Owwww our little Murphy is growing up. I remember when he was the baby. ;D
This is rubbish. He was an AA midfielder for christ's sake. Even Judd said he was the best midfielder at the club at one stage. He just needs support.
Having said that, because of the cap rotations he probably will rest forward quite a bit.
He was an AA midfielder for christ's sake.
Spot on. No reason why he can't achieve that again.
But both went when it was their turn.
One of my favourite aspects of Campo's game was his willingness to run down opponents. It's almost like he got some sort of perverse satisfaction out of it. He used to chase and tackle with real intent.
Bradley my memory has faded with regards to his defensive side but I remember in his final year when we were getting smacked and had no ball winners he was in there winning the hard ball at the ripe old age of 37(?). Played through a wet day with broken ribs.
Murph is a brilliant footballer. If he could improve on his weaknesses he could be one of our best ever. It'll be a shame if we never see it.
I can't help but think you have let the years of time muddy your memories.
Before you brought it up i was actually going to say one of the few times i remember Bradley going for the ball was when he got broken ribs out of it.
A few stats, Murphy (588 / 165) has more career tackles than both Braddles (546 / 375) and Campo (484 / 252)
Yes, there are more stoppages nowadays so tackle numbers are inflated.
So lets compare apples with apples.
Between 2006 and 2007
Murphy played 35 games and managed 96 tackles.
Avg 2.60/gameBetween 2006 and 2007
Campo played 19 games and managed 46 tackles.
Avg 2.42/gameMurphy as a teenager tackled more than the veteran Campo over the same period of time.
FWIW, Murphy now averages 3.56 tackles a game.
As for going when its their turn....
How about Murphy going in against the lions and doing his shoulder in his first season?
Or more recently....
[flash=560,315]http://www.youtube.com/v/_pO5IruAdO0[/flash]
The proof will not be in pre-season training or practice matches. The proof will be in the season as a whole...
its positive that it has been acknowledged he has to improve in the area of leadership. I will give him one more year
he'd have more confidence getting over all the niggles. If we get more of the same - come in hendo 2015
@kruddler
He was told by Ratts to go on and win his own ball just prior to that shoulder injury, so obviously Ratts had the same opinion as I did. He was obviously upset by the comment so he went in hard, I'll give him that but it just goes to show he doesn't know how to win the hardball, every time he tries he gets injured. As I said previously, I accept he's not that type of player but to allow opposition to just walk through his tackles or to go through entire games without a solitary tackle ( happened many times last season, most notably against Sydney in the final) is just unacceptable for a captain playing as a midfielder in the heat of the action. In fact it's quite mindblowing TBH. A that it happened and B that no one seems to think it's an issue. Perfect example of my point where Murphy just gets a free pass from most.
Re Campo those stats are from his Scum days where he played with little to no passion and was far past his best are they not? Not really apples with apples is it? Not like you to mislead with stats is it?! :P
I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I think that post is known as a :
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I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I think that post is known as a :
(http://i.livescience.com/images/i/000/049/290/i02/bull-fight.jpg?1328583964)
Well in all seriousness, there were a lot of people in denial way back then... When you enter a club as a number one draft pick, and your captain is overweight, and the mentor you are put with from a midfield point of view is a party boy who too struggled with weight (because of his undisciplined ways off field) and very rarely tackled or got himself a hardball, its going to wear off on these young guys who are looking up to them. They would be easily influenced in their early years...
I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I feel the same way and have said as much in the past, not just Stevens but Whitnall also has a bit to answer for. The loss of Hamill is still hurting us to this day.
Cue Shakin77.
I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I feel the same way and have said as much in the past, not just Stevens but Whitnall also has a bit to answer for. The loss of Hamill is still hurting us to this day.
I remember being at one game v. the Pies and two of their supporters sitting behind us were right on Stevo's case. They called him "The Sheepdog" as he skirted the packs and never went in to get the hard ball. In the end it was so obviously true the more he did it and it became quite hilarious! :))
I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I feel the same way and have said as much in the past, not just Stevens but Whitnall also has a bit to answer for. The loss of Hamill is still hurting us to this day.
I remember being at one game v. the Pies and two of their supporters sitting behind us were right on Stevo's case. They called him "The Sheepdog" as he skirted the packs and never went in to get the hard ball. In the end it was so obviously true the more he did it and it became quite hilarious! :))
That was him alright, also yapping away calling for the easy ball hence the sheep dog tag. Just imagine if Judd hadn't have come he would have been made captain for even longer.
I blame Nick Stevens for setting such a sh1t example for the young lads to follow.. Anyone using Nick at the time as a mentor needed to be reprogrammed after he left. Some have taken longer than others to rid themselves of any Stevoism traits...
Ahhhh well lets just see how this little gem goes down.. ;D
I feel the same way and have said as much in the past, not just Stevens but Whitnall also has a bit to answer for. The loss of Hamill is still hurting us to this day.
I remember being at one game v. the Pies and two of their supporters sitting behind us were right on Stevo's case. They called him "The Sheepdog" as he skirted the packs and never went in to get the hard ball. In the end it was so obviously true the more he did it and it became quite hilarious! :))
That was him alright, also yapping away calling for the easy ball hence the sheep dog tag. Just imagine if Judd hadn't have come he would have been made captain for even longer.
He was never made captain thank god.. It went from Lance straight to Juddy.. I cant believe he was even considered to be honest..
@kruddler
He was told by Ratts to go on and win his own ball just prior to that shoulder injury, so obviously Ratts had the same opinion as I did. He was obviously upset by the comment so he went in hard, I'll give him that but it just goes to show he doesn't know how to win the hardball, every time he tries he gets injured. As I said previously, I accept he's not that type of player but to allow opposition to just walk through his tackles or to go through entire games without a solitary tackle ( happened many times last season, most notably against Sydney in the final) is just unacceptable for a captain playing as a midfielder in the heat of the action. In fact it's quite mindblowing TBH. A that it happened and B that no one seems to think it's an issue. Perfect example of my point where Murphy just gets a free pass from most.
Re Campo those stats are from his Scum days where he played with little to no passion and was far past his best are they not? Not really apples with apples is it? Not like you to mislead with stats is it?! :P
Your 'OBVIOUS' calls are nothing but opinion.
But if true, if he doesn't know how to win the hard ball, why force him too if he is just going to get injured? Yarran is obviously too short to play ruck, so you don't make him.
As for the stats, they are there for all to see. If you wanna twist them to give campo a reprieve (not like you at all to twist things to suit your opinion at all :P) then you will...and did.
FYI, Campos 2006 was actually his 2nd best tackles/game over his 13 season career! :-[
2004 was his best, 3.36.
Murphy has averaged better than that 6 times in 9 seasons.
No matter which way you slice it, Murphy tackles more than campo ever did and IMO is a lot tougher than campo ever was.
I know Murphy isn't opposed to throwing the head back, but he is third behind campo and daylight in that area too.
No matter which way you slice it, Murphy tackles more than campo ever did and IMO is a lot tougher than campo ever was.
LMFAO. Murphy isn't tough, full stop. Let's not kid ourselves here.
No matter which way you slice it, Murphy tackles more than campo ever did and IMO is a lot tougher than campo ever was.
LMFAO. Murphy isn't tough, full stop. Let's not kid ourselves here.
Never said he was. Just pointing out that he is tougher than Braddles and Campo....both of which you admire and gave a pass mark to when playing similar roles.
No matter which way you slice it, Murphy tackles more than campo ever did and IMO is a lot tougher than campo ever was.
LMFAO. Murphy isn't tough, full stop. Let's not kid ourselves here.
Never said he was. Just pointing out that he is tougher than Braddles and Campo....both of which you admire and gave a pass mark to when playing similar roles.
That's opinion, far from fact.
Cue Shakin77.
mml. You blokes are stuck in a loop.
Nick Stevens is a gun.
He needs to lead by example out on the field.
Most grow into the leadership role.
Marc just needs to lift his consistency and win the ball at every contest, every week and the rest will follow.
I've come to the realisation he's not ever going to win the hard ball, I just want him to at least chase and tackle with intent, he must lead the way in this department if he's going to a great leader. I remember a game against North last year where he really made one stick early in the game which resulted in a goal. No doubt it lifted the side. Then I've just seen him let players walk through his tackles only to see Menzel make it stick against the same player just minutes later. That type of stuff is unacceptable. No doubt he's well liked and respected within the club. Time to make use of the influence he has over his team.
You have been beating this drum for the last 2 years and its BS.
You actually started with Judd, and then we turned him into an inside midfielder and broke him and then you moved on to Murphy.
Its not about love child, or negative words, its about a biased opinion against him because he got what you would call Carrazzo's captaincy.
Carry on yourself.
You forgot a short stop over at 2013 B&F Winner Kade Simpson. Best we not mention that one.
No matter which way you slice it, Murphy tackles more than campo ever did and IMO is a lot tougher than campo ever was.
LMFAO. Murphy isn't tough, full stop. Let's not kid ourselves here.
Never said he was. Just pointing out that he is tougher than Braddles and Campo....both of which you admire and gave a pass mark to when playing similar roles.
That's opinion, far from fact.
Closer to any 'facts' you have pointed out.
No matter which way you slice it, Murphy tackles more than campo ever did and IMO is a lot tougher than campo ever was.
LMFAO. Murphy isn't tough, full stop. Let's not kid ourselves here.
Never said he was. Just pointing out that he is tougher than Braddles and Campo....both of which you admire and gave a pass mark to when playing similar roles.
That's opinion, far from fact.
Closer to any 'facts' you have pointed out.
That too is just opinion, far from fact.
Marc Murphy. There are too many if's and buts in peoples opinions on this site. Go out there this season and prove some people wrong for your own sake, and the sake of the club too. ;)
Firstly, lets say he is the rightful captain for this side and is really a captain now.
This isn't about Murphy in particular but I was watching Goddard collect his players on the ground after the final siren and give them an absolute bake on the ground. I've seen Pav do this, Hodge, some others. I don't seem to ever recall a Carlton player ever doing that - maybe I'm wrong. We laughed at the idea of Goddard, Collingwood dropped Thomas from their leadership group and I cannot see him ever doing it.
Are there any of our players you could see take this sort of action? Gibbs maybe?
Goddard had an absolute shocker, and pinned it on his teamates.
I didn't even know he was playing.
Meanwhile I'm pretty sure I've seen Simpson do this.
I saw Murphy do it after the Melbourne game I think but other than that I've seen Carrazzo and Scotto get stuck in a few times.
Goddard is a tool, not sure what he was saying but he seemed to really have a crack at Chappy, or he was asking him something to which Chappy responded but neither looked too happy. If I was Chappy I'd be telling Goddard to win a premiership before he has a crack at me personally.
Why is it necessary to 'grandstand' in front of the crowd? What's wrong with getting them in a small room straight after they walk off the ground and eyeballing them then? And who says Murph doesn't do this??
I think some of this can be for show.
Why is it necessary to 'grandstand' in front of the crowd? What's wrong with getting them in a small room straight after they walk off the ground and eyeballing them then? And who says Murph doesn't do this??
I think some of this can be for show.
The way of a true leader is to praise in public and chastise in private.
Goddard is an absolute tool - he is constantly having a go at team mates, not a good look IMO.
Firstly, lets say he is the rightful captain for this side and is really a captain now.
This isn't about Murphy in particular but I was watching Goddard collect his players on the ground after the final siren and give them an absolute bake on the ground. I've seen Pav do this, Hodge, some others. I don't seem to ever recall a Carlton player ever doing that - maybe I'm wrong. We laughed at the idea of Goddard, Collingwood dropped Thomas from their leadership group and I cannot see him ever doing it.
Are there any of our players you could see take this sort of action? Gibbs maybe?
Murph did this after we lost to Melbourne and a number of other times.