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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting

Reply #90 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
@LP

So around 180 rounds per minute? Apparently the police allege about 4 mins firing time so about 720 rounds all up and 573 people hit. Seems like pretty good shooting to me.

The injured are easy to account for in a real world situation, things like one round hitting multiple people, bullet fragmentation, shrapnel from masonry fragments, bone fragments, ricochets, etc., etc..

When the press report somebody being shot, they don't discriminate between shrapnel injuries and direct shootings.
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Reply #91 –
Quote from: LP on
The injured are easy to account for in a real world situation, things like one round hitting multiple people, bullet fragmentation, masonry fragments, bone fragments, ricochets, etc., etc..

Mmm, I guess we'll see - eventually.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #92 –
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The injured are easy to account for in a real world situation, things like one round hitting multiple people, bullet fragmentation, masonry fragments, bone fragments, ricochets, etc., etc..

People can also get injured trying to flee.  They don't have to be hit by a gun to be injured.  They can fall over and break and arm and a leg, or get trampled by someone else trying to get out of the way.
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Reply #93 –
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People can also get injured trying to flee.  They don't have to be hit by a gun to be injured.  They can fall over and break and arm and a leg, or get trampled by someone else trying to get out of the way.

Very true, the injuries can be caused by the shooting without being shot.

But if the shooting didn't happen, the other injuries wouldn't have happened either, so no guns is the answer!
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Reply #94 –
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And is Mav prepared to argue a large casino - liked the Mandalay Bay Resort - wouldn't have a heavy duty armed security team, and mega SUPER HIGH TECH camera EVERYWHERE!?
Everywhere save for the rooms themselves.  I assume the Hotel was also a casino but I haven't actually seen that stated. 

Apparently, the rooms were let via Air bNb rather than the Hotel.  Not sure what importance that fact has.

The police may have delayed entry until they were sure the room wasn't booby-trapped.  Weren't they satisfied the shooter was down within minutes of the end of firing?  But is there really any suggestion that the police refused to intervene quickly?

Personally, there's little suggestion that the police are following a script.  They seem open to the possibility of others providing unwitting or deliberate support.  Seems to be all that one could want.

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Reply #96 –
Yep - as I said, I assumed that was the case.  Why anyone would visit that city is beyond me ...

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: Mav on
Personally, there's little suggestion that the police are following a script.  They seem open to the possibility of others providing unwitting or deliberate support.  Seems to be all that one could want.

Agreed.

The media like to paint the "Assistance" angle to imply "Deliberate Assistance" but it could be completely incidental.

Online media is loving the ISIS and converting to Islam last month conspiracy, but it has emerged the stash of weapons were mostly purchase last October! A year ago!
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Reply #98 –
The Presidential Election was in October.  Wonder if there's any connection.

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Reply #99 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
Thanks for sharing your ballistics expertise with us DJC. I think I'll wait for the official version.

I didn't mention ballistics Cookie but, since you raised it, shooting downwards is difficult because the trajectory and sight line diverge significantly.  Either the shooter knew this and compensated or he adjusted his aim after observing the fall of shot. 

Like you, I'll be waiting for the official version but I suspect that we won't get too much detail.

On a different matter, how about the unarmed security guard who was shot after approaching the shooter's room?  Tragedies/disasters often seem to unearth unlikely heroes.  Apparently the shooter fired 200 rounds into the hall (through the wall) and only one struck the guard  :o
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Reply #100 –
And that seemed to bring an end to the shooting out the windows.  The shooter seemed to become obsessed with what was coming to his door.  So the security guard in a real sense stopped the carnage. 

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Reply #101 –
Quote from: DJC on
I didn't mention ballistics Cookie but, since you raised it, shooting downwards is difficult because the trajectory and sight line diverge significantly.  Either the shooter knew this and compensated or he adjusted his aim after observing the fall of shot. 

Like you, I'll be waiting for the official version but I suspect that we won't get too much detail.

On a different matter, how about the unarmed security guard who was shot after approaching the shooter's room?  Tragedies/disasters often seem to unearth unlikely heroes.  Apparently the shooter fired 200 rounds into the hall (through the wall) and only one struck the guard  :o

No you didn't mention it but your post implied knowledge of it, as does this one.
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Reply #102 –
Five seconds to change out on an M4/AR15.... More like less than two with practice.
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Reply #103 –
I have a theory that most, if not all, of the sociopaths, psychopaths or whatevers who commit mass murder do so in search of fame and that's why I will never use their names.  The person who slaughtered so many innocent concert goers in Las Vegas will always be the shooter or the gunman as far as I'm concerned.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball
 

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Reply #104 –
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I have a theory that most, if not all, of the sociopaths, psychopaths or whatevers who commit mass murder do so in search of fame and that's why I will never use their names.  The person who slaughtered so many innocent concert goers in Las Vegas will always be the shooter or the gunman as far as I'm concerned.

Same reason so many avoid the use of the Port Arthur animal’s name. Take away ‘oxygen’ and they eventually ‘die’.