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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Last post by Thryleon -
Something else is how well they take opportunities when they arise.  I.e.  fantasias 6 touches last week, under what circumstances did he get them and what did he do with it when he did? 

I can honestly say his few touches were dangerous.  Martin is similar.

3 score involvements, 2 inside 50's,1 goal assist and at least one pressure act in front of me that lead to a goal to us with a turnover.  For a total of 17 pressure acts is pretty impressive from a guy who had 72% time on ground, which is in our bottom 4 players. 

He is a worker.   Give him time. 

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: DJC on
Pressure acts are weighted; physical pressure acts (bumping, pushing, tackling) are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2.  Chasing and corralling (Zac Fisher's forte) are worth less because they don't have much impact on the ball carrier's ability to dispose of the ball.  Fantasia isn't tackling as much as Durdin and Owies so he must be doing a hell of a lot more corralling, chasing and closing to be 17 to 8 and 5.

The same applies to Charlie.  Apparently he doesn't chase and his tackle numbers are relatively low so, to be so far ahead of Harry, Durdin and Owies in pressure acts, he must be dynamite on closing acts and corralling.

Harry has incredible acceleration for a big man and his ability to put pressure on defenders by closing and tackling is a bonus for our forwards.  Charlie has greater endurance but not the same acceleration.  He puts his endurance to good use by applying pressure, closing and corralling, but his main priority is to create separation with his defenders.  That's not quite so critical for Harry as he usually enjoys a size and strength advantage.

As MBB said, you are describing something different.

If you compare a players pressure acts with Tackles, you generally see a player higher in one or the other.
So Charlie is high in pressure acts, but low in tackles.
Harry is higher in tackles, but lower in pressure acts.
They almost need to be read together to get a true understanding of how well a player is doing.

What you are talking about is the pressure rating that they show during games, which is a combination of everything you say.

Its very difficult getting consistent stats on all of this stuff.
AFL app, shows different to AFL website, which is different to footywire which is different to AFL tables etc etc
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: kruddler on
Playing devils advocate, when i posted similar stats, people didn't like them because a pressure act was deemed to be the ability of created pressure without actually doing anything. Like chasing rather than catching.

I did a comparison of tackles, and Fantasia is well behind the other small forwards.

Pressure acts are weighted; physical pressure acts (bumping, pushing, tackling) are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2.  Chasing and corralling (Zac Fisher's forte) are worth less because they don't have much impact on the ball carrier's ability to dispose of the ball.  Fantasia isn't tackling as much as Durdin and Owies so he must be doing a hell of a lot more corralling, chasing and closing to be 17 to 8 and 5.

The same applies to Charlie.  Apparently he doesn't chase and his tackle numbers are relatively low so, to be so far ahead of Harry, Durdin and Owies in pressure acts, he must be dynamite on closing acts and corralling.

Harry has incredible acceleration for a big man and his ability to put pressure on defenders by closing and tackling is a bonus for our forwards.  Charlie has greater endurance but not the same acceleration.  He puts his endurance to good use by applying pressure, closing and corralling, but his main priority is to create separation with his defenders.  That's not quite so critical for Harry as he usually enjoys a size and strength advantage.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Last post by WASurfer -
Binns is the surprise one for me having not got a game yet but coaches must know who's ready and who's not. Last year, Round 1, we threw both Holland and Cowan straight into it. Holland from memory has played nearly every game since. Cowan fell outta favour after half a dozen games or so but comes back in last week and looked like he's hardly missed a beat and was right up for the contest. I can see him as the long term replacement for someone like Newman....can play a shut-down role but still get a bit of the ball himself and with a bit of mongrel too.

Owies for mine is a bit maligned....went at 1.5 goals/game last year in his 18 games and not far off that average again this season. There's not many small forwards who get 20 odd possessions per week but it's hitting the scoreboard and the pressure applied when the ball hits the ground in the forward line....I think both Owies and Durdin are pretty good on that front.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong at the MCG
Last post by tonyo -
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Don't mind replacing Fantasia, but Moir is still a fair way off. He will be given plenty of time to develop before being paraded out a la Binns. With one or two exceptions, we are right into development and ensuring young players have served a comprehensive apprenticeship.
I know it's early days, but Moir has a bit of Izak Rankine about him.... we can only hope!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Best 22 of 2024 - Part 3 - After Round 6
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler on
I think i had him in at some stage this year, and definitely parts of last year, but i don't see a huge upside to him over McGovern or Kemp playing similar roles, so i think his days might be limited unless he can work out that 'fit/uninjured' part.

Yep
I just can't see it happening...and in the long term you can't make a cornerstone of your defence a block of sand.
That's nothing against the character of the bloke who has worked hard each time to make it back,
You wish him well each time, and he shows enough to suggest he's a real asset...but then. :(
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Best 22 of 2024 - Part 3 - After Round 6
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods on
That's a stretch too far for some of these blokes.  :(
I included Marchbank in my 22, given the criteria...
But 'Fit' and 'uninjured' are mutually exclusive terms when combined with 'Marchbank'

I think i had him in at some stage this year, and definitely parts of last year, but i don't see a huge upside to him over McGovern or Kemp playing similar roles, so i think his days might be limited unless he can work out that 'fit/uninjured' part.