Kerridge??
Mullet.
Potentially retiring (but most likely not)...
Simpson
Rowe
Daisy
Potentially delisted...(all out of contract, i believe)
Kerridge
Mullett
Lamb
Wright
Potentially delisted (although contracted)...
Lobbe
Byrne
Lang
If i was to choose...i'd say Mullet with one of Kerridge and Lamb most likely gone as well, potentially both.
Mullet would be top of my list with possibly Kerridge to keep him company. Nothing certain though at this stage.
Lamb, Mullet, Kerridge, Amos, Bruce, Barker, Clarke, LANG!!
Lang. Utter crap truck of a player and attitude stinks.
Lang. Utter crap truck of a player and attitude stinks.
Agree
Lang. Utter crap truck of a player and attitude stinks.
Handbaggers really seem to stink it up after they get the lemon-sars from Julong!
Our board should ban us from trading with them for three decades!
The tell was Ling saying he would be missed, I doubt that bloke can even piss in a straight line!
Potentially delisted (although contracted)...
Lobbe
Byrne
Lang
If i was to choose...i'd say Mullet with one of Kerridge and Lamb most likely gone as well, potentially both.
Are you on drugs Krud?
Lang. Utter crap truck of a player and attitude stinks.
He spent half the year injured. He played decent footy at the Cats, so you ask why he, like others when they come here, struggle.
Who were the one's earlier in the year who said the same about Kennedy. He come good and will be better when his ankle is sorted.
He spent half the year injured. He played decent footy at the Cats, so you ask why he, like others when they come here, struggle.
Who were the one's earlier in the year who said the same about Kennedy. He come good and will be better when his ankle is sorted.
He's a receiver Laj, he doesn't win his own football and to a team like us that makes him next to worthless!
If we were over-loaded with inside ball winners and need a silky finisher he'd get a run, but under pressure and without the delivery he looks very very very ordinary!
He spent half the year injured. He played decent footy at the Cats, so you ask why he, like others when they come here, struggle.
Who were the one's earlier in the year who said the same about Kennedy. He come good and will be better when his ankle is sorted.
He would want to because he has stunk.
He's a receiver Laj, he doesn't win his own football and to a team like us that makes him next to worthless!
If we were over-loaded with inside ball winners and need a silky finisher he'd get a run, but under pressure and without the delivery he looks very very very ordinary!
That same argument could be made for another player
He would want to because he has stunk.
Kennedy and Lang need high quality players around them......
He would want to because he has stunk.
I don't fully judge players until I've seen them play fit. But yes, would want to show a bit.
Are you on drugs Krud?
No but maybe i should be.
Seem to be a few people who really rate this kid, including after tonights effort.
What i see is some rookie mistakes time and time again.
He does things that are good. He does things that are terrible.
The way i see him could probably be best summarised by Kerridge tonight.
Kerridge had 2 shots on goal.
One danced around 2 players, couple of steps, bangs it from 55. Goal.
Second, similarly dodged and went bang from 50. Out on the full....by a fair margin.
Kerridge had 22 touches - good
only 7 were contested - average
5 clangers for the night - terrible.
0 tackles too - terrible (he and mullet were the only 2 with 0 tackles
Whatever there is to like about Byrne, there is just as much to not like....including his body holding up to the rigours of the game.
Kennedy and Lang need high quality players around them......
Kennedy is way better. He wins his own footy
Kennedy is way better. He wins his own footy
Agree, but his ball use is very average and he is slow.......
Lang is lazy and wants the easy ball.....
Whatever there is to like about Byrne, there is just as much to not like....including his body holding up to the rigours of the game.
That's the key isn't it.....
For a 21 game player he goes OK....but the fact that he's only played 21 games in four years counts against him.
Doubt he'd be discarded at the end of this year so hopefully he gets a bit of continuity next year.
Whatever there is to like about Byrne, there is just as much to not like....
I wish we had another three or four as good as him.
That's the key isn't it.....
For a 21 game player he goes OK....but the fact that he's only played 21 games in four years counts against him.
Doubt he'd be discarded at the end of this year so hopefully he gets a bit of continuity next year.
First year he came over from Ireland never having played the game so counting that is a bit rough, last year was a knee reco.
When he's fit he plays seniors, the club has a very high opinion of him.
Lang is lazy and wants the easy ball.....
Yep, dead end player, he looks like he is an "I'm Satisfied with my Goal a Game" type.
We don't need them!
I thought Matty Wright was safe for next season but if we recruit another small goal kicker he might struggle to get another contract, wonder if he would play as a rookie?
He was out of the game a bit tonight and isnt hitting the scoreboard enough....
I thought Matty Wright was safe for next season but if we recruit another small goal kicker he might struggle to get another contract, wonder if he would play as a rookie?
He was out of the game a bit tonight and isnt hitting the scoreboard enough....
Been playing hurt for a large chunk of this season.
He was rested not long ago, and was looking a spent force both before and afterwards which is about the time his kicking started going wayward.
He's safe enough but let's hope his form slump was just that.
Agree on Lang - he pissed me off tonight he did screw all.
Byrne just has that something g about him - assuredness. I like when The balls in his hands.
Thought Mullett and Kerridge played okay but probably knew they were on their last chance.
Over holding on to lazy players - they can bugger off.
Kerridge, Mullet, Lamb, Lang. Been saying it since day one Lang was a terrible draft, the excuse he had no preseason is nonsense in my opinion. He has not shown an ounce of reasoning to suggest why we drafted him. The others we all know are seat warmers.
Yep, dead end player, he looks like he is an "I'm Satisfied with my Goal a Game" type.
We don't need them!
Judge these blokes on the first half of 2019.....
Hard to fire up in RD 23 when the season's been dead for months....
Jack Silvagni might struggle for a game next year as well, he showed promise early on but he's flatlined, doesn't get much of the ball, lacks a yard of pace and his foot skills are nothing special.
Hopefully Ben is a better player.
Jack Silvagni might struggle for a game next year as well
Good luck SOS giving Jack the @rse! Jo would suspend fringe benefit indefinitely!!
Judge these blokes on the first half of 2019.....
Hard to fire up in RD 23 when the season's been dead for months....
A lot of blokes give effort to the end, Lang is just keeping a spot warm for a real player!
He's the type of player that pops up and turns a 5 goal win into a 8 goal win, but when your 5 goals down with a quarter to play he'll go missing because he lacks drive! A perennial footsoldier!
A lot of blokes give effort to the end, Lang is just keeping a spot warm for a real player!
He's the type of player that pops up and turns a 5 goal win into a 8 goal win, but when your 5 goals down with a quarter to play he'll go missing because he lacks drive! A perennial footsoldier!
Thats being very unkind to footsoldiers.
Thats being very unkind to footsoldiers.
Agree. He’s nowhere to be seen when a foot soldier is required
Jack Silvagni might struggle for a game next year as well, he showed promise early on but he's flatlined, doesn't get much of the ball, lacks a yard of pace and his foot skills are nothing special.
Hopefully Ben is a better player.
This is the awkward elephant in the room...
Does Jack deliver enough for SOS to suggest going back to the Silvagni family well...??
This is the awkward elephant in the room...
Does Jack deliver enough for SOS to suggest going back to the Silvagni family well...??
The rumor is BSoS is more athletically gifted than SoJ, but nowhere near as driven to be an AFL player.
Not sure he'll get picked up by anyone let alone Carlton under the F&S!
The rumor is BSoS is more athletically gifted than SoJ, but nowhere near as driven to be an AFL player.
Not sure he'll get picked up by anyone let alone Carlton under the F&S!
Back half off the draft or rookie pick.....same for Will Hickmott IMO....
Ben can take a big mark but is miles off in terms of the defensive areas of the game, 2nd efforts etc and will take time....been played down back off late and I think thats more about
trying to learn the defensive side of the game overall than just be a key defender.
I'll guess and say a Patty Kerr type pick around 60 plus.......Hickmott IMO is a better player at this stage and I'd prefer him over Ben given the choice.....
It will be hard for SOS and the family....but unless they've been flying him under the radar big time it has to be "Pass" on Ben. :(
It will be hard for SOS and the family....but unless they've been flying him under the radar big time it has to be "Pass" on Ben. :(
Think it's pretty clear what we're doing. ;D
It will be hard for SOS and the family....but unless they've been flying him under the radar big time it has to be "Pass" on Ben. :(
There was no under the radar for BSoS, Luke Hodge was one of his school coaches and gave him a big wrap a year or so back telling the Dawks that Ben was one to watch! If we take him it's probably the right decision because I think he's been heavily scrutinised, even more than his older brother!
There was no under the radar for BSoS, Luke Hodge was one of his school coaches and gave him a big wrap a year or so back telling the Dawks that Ben was one to watch! If we take him it's probably the right decision because I think he's been heavily scrutinised, even more than his older brother!
Think we will take him...the backlash if succeeds at another club ie Essendon will be far worse than if we take him and he fails.....
Think we will take him...the backlash if succeeds at another club ie Essendon will be far worse than if we take him and he fails.....
The sad thing for me EB1 is that I know kids who I thought were better footballers, more aggressive and talented, who got cut because they didn't have the name!
It's a real problem at TAC Cup Dev level now, there are far too many past players pushing their kids up the system, it's all because there is too much money at stake now! The AFL almost needs to setup an independent arbiter to make sure the TAC Cup process isn't corrupted!
This is the awkward elephant in the room...
Does Jack deliver enough for SOS to suggest going back to the Silvagni family well...??
Wont be SOS's decision. The Club will make that decision independent of SOS.
This is the awkward elephant in the room...
Does Jack deliver enough for SOS to suggest going back to the Silvagni family well...??
What would Jack's form have to do with a decision to recruit Ben? As far as I know he's an entirely different person.
What would Jack's form have to do with a decision to recruit Ben? As far as I know he's an entirely different person.
What a ridiculous statement. Nathan Ablett is still on Geelong's list isn't he?
What a ridiculous statement. Nathan Ablett is still on Geelong's list isn't he?
Didn't he kick 5 in a final?
Seriously if you think Jack playing well means Ben will get a spot you're kidding yourself.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-27/season-review-carlton
Wont be SOS's decision. The Club will make that decision independent of SOS.
The grandfather and the father were champions, one, if not all the grandsons maybe as well.
Jack has been moved around each game because the team is rubbish. He needs time to settle in a position. This year he is surrounded by inexperienced and many players who should not be playing.
Just had a look at his stats compared with Jack Gunston at the same age (2012) on Footywire, he's not far off what Gunston was getting and Gunston was playing in a side that finished second on the ladder and he was surrounded by champions of the game. Gunston never had to play in a team that was getting thrashed each week plus having the expectations of supporters weighing heavily on his shoulders.
I'm not saying he will be as good as Gunston, just comparing.
Give him a better side to play in and give him time.
Didn't he kick 5 in a final?
Seriously if you think Jack playing well means Ben will get a spot you're kidding yourself.
I couldn't agree more
Just had a look at his stats compared with Jack Gunston at the same age (2012) on Footywire, he's not far off what Gunston was getting and Gunston was playing in a side that finished second on the ladder and he was surrounded by champions of the game.
Couple of points of difference.
Jack Gunston is lightning fast relative to SoJ!
Gunston was already a gun midfielder at lower levels before he had a growth spurt and became a tall mobile marking forward! I think the last year or so before Gunston was drafted he grew 8 inches!
Couple of points of difference.
Jack Gunston is lightning fast relative to SoJ!
Gunston was already a gun midfielder at lower levels before he had a growth spurt and became a tall mobile marking forward! I think the last year or so before Gunston was drafted he grew 8 inches!
Very impressive! ;)
Couple of points of difference.
Jack Gunston is lightning fast relative to SoJ!
Gunston was already a gun midfielder at lower levels before he had a growth spurt and became a tall mobile marking forward! I think the last year or so before Gunston was drafted he grew 8 inches!
Agree he is quicker, but you don't have to be lightning fast. Remember Greg Williams? too slow, couldn't get at game at Carlton.
Jack has the nous he can read the play, put him in a team with a winning culture and he would then have the confidence and the chance to show his ability.
Give the Hawks a good chance against the Tigers but tipping the Tigers.
West Coast to pump the Pies.
Reckon Sydney will beat GWS, although I ignore GWS' s form from Sunday as it was a dead rubber.
Feelings Finals experience might get them over the line against the Dees.
Reckon we have PFs Richond v Sydney...West Coast v Hawthorn.
Hope these are all gone come years end.
O'shea
Mullett
Garlett
Casboult
Graham
JGM
Lebois
Shaw
Rowe (like him - big heart but we have to get an upgrade on him)
ASOS
That's a 1/4 of the list again gone. :-[
Also list below would want to show a heap more next year or see ya later to them as well.
Lang (So disappointed with this guy and don't buy the he was injured crap. Looks lazy and disinterested)
Pickett
Jack
Polsen
Cunningham
I'm cutting slack to Kennedy as I think we forget he has only played 31 games. If he has a full pre season confident he will be part of our midfield.
Kerridge I would only delist once we can get an upgrade on him - till then I think depth wise we need his big body.
Hope these are all gone come years end.
O'shea
Mullett
Garlett
Casboult
Graham
JGM
Lebois
Shaw
Rowe (like him - big heart but we have to get an upgrade on him)
ASOS
That's a 1/4 of the list again gone. :-[
Also list below would want to show a heap more next year or see ya later to them as well.
Lang (So disappointed with this guy and don't buy the he was injured crap. Looks lazy and disinterested)
Pickett
Jack
Polsen
Cunningham
I'm cutting slack to Kennedy as I think we forget he has only played 31 games. If he has a full pre season confident he will be part of our midfield.
Kerridge I would only delist once we can get an upgrade on him - till then I think depth wise we need his big body.
I'd take Mitch Grigg from Norwood to replace Kerridge...kicks like an arrow and IMO the best player in the SANFL.....improved the weak areas of his game too like tackle pressure and is ready for another shot at AFL IMO....we just have to get more inventive and get rid of players like Kerridge who want to look at their reflection in the mirror when flexing the biceps but dont want to improve their footy...
Agreed 100% ... get him
Hope these are all gone come years end.
O'shea
Mullett
Garlett
Casboult
Graham
JGM
Lebois
Shaw
Rowe (like him - big heart but we have to get an upgrade on him)
ASOS
That's a 1/4 of the list again gone. :-[
Also list below would want to show a heap more next year or see ya later to them as well.
Lang (So disappointed with this guy and don't buy the he was injured crap. Looks lazy and disinterested)
Pickett
Jack
Polsen
Cunningham
I'm cutting slack to Kennedy as I think we forget he has only played 31 games. If he has a full pre season confident he will be part of our midfield.
Kerridge I would only delist once we can get an upgrade on him - till then I think depth wise we need his big body.
Someone finally sees it like I do ;)
Hope these are all gone come years end.
O'shea
Mullett
Garlett
Casboult
Graham
JGM
Lebois
Shaw
Rowe (like him - big heart but we have to get an upgrade on him)
ASOS
That's a 1/4 of the list again gone. :-[
Also list below would want to show a heap more next year or see ya later to them as well.
Lang (So disappointed with this guy and don't buy the he was injured crap. Looks lazy and disinterested)
Pickett
Jack
Polsen
Cunningham
I'm cutting slack to Kennedy as I think we forget he has only played 31 games. If he has a full pre season confident he will be part of our midfield.
Kerridge I would only delist once we can get an upgrade on him - till then I think depth wise we need his big body.
Guys like Lang and Pickett can look like a million bucks when playing in a good team. They aren't in the team to get their own ball as they're outside speed. When the system is breaking down though they are pretty much useless. That doesn't mean we should get rid of them as when things (hopefully) start to click they will (hopefully) be vital. I'd keep Garlett for the same reason. These are the guys who will (hopefully) finish off Cripps / Kennedy / Dow's good work. Hard to keep the faith with these guys though when the team is getting slaughtered and they're walking off with 6 possessions. It's hard not to look at them as if they're the problem when I think they're sometimes just the symptom.
I would like to respectfully thank these guys for their services and agree with you that their time is probably up.
O'shea - was worth a try but it didn't work. The AFL shows up flaws in your game in a way that the VFL doesn't.
Mullett - he is a bit of a battler. It will get down to how many spots are left on the list after trade week.
Casboult - if he has any trade value (which I doubt right now) he'd be gone I'd think.
Graham - that game against Freo was the most selfish and inept game I can remember seeing.
JGM R
Lebois R
Shaw - he may get another year but I very much doubt it. Injuries obviously didn't help.
Rowe (like him - big heart but we have to get an upgrade on him) Agreed.
ASOS - well done on a solid career.
Kerride - ditto Mullet. Could delist and add him to the rookie list - he's a good citizen.
Hope these are all gone come years end.
O'shea
Mullett
Garlett
Casboult
Graham
JGM
Lebois
Shaw
Rowe (like him - big heart but we have to get an upgrade on him)
ASOS
That's a 1/4 of the list again gone. :-[
Also list below would want to show a heap more next year or see ya later to them as well.
Lang (So disappointed with this guy and don't buy the he was injured crap. Looks lazy and disinterested)
Pickett
Jack
Polsen
Cunningham
I'm cutting slack to Kennedy as I think we forget he has only played 31 games. If he has a full pre season confident he will be part of our midfield.
Kerridge I would only delist once we can get an upgrade on him - till then I think depth wise we need his big body.
Very close to the mark there shawny.
Garlett was taken in the main draft last year and I think he gets 2 years under the AFLA drafting rules.
And Rowe wont be going anywhere.
Kerridge may be worth another year, but may be cut to create an extra vacant spot.
Rowe stays as depth/back up if nothing else - if he wants to - short of securing a bloke like May you simply aren'y going to find an upgrade on him easily.
And again, with Doc, Willo, Plowman back in the defence, Rowe's job a lot easier too ....
Casboult - sure Charlie andHarry have passed him by but you'd ony ever get a 4th or 5th rounder for him so he stays unless he can be packaged in a deal for a bigger fish....
Rowe stays as depth/back up if nothing else
Casboult - sure Charlie andHarry have passed him by but you'd ony ever get a 4th or 5th rounder for him so he stays unless he can be packaged in a deal for a bigger fish....
Spot on about Levi.
We wont get any better than a 4th round pick so we are better off keeping him as a back-up.
Spot on about Levi.
We wont get any better than a 4th round pick so we are better off keeping him as a back-up.
Or get a kid who can act as backup yet might actually improve long term.
Not an easy question to answer, but sooner or later something clear needs to emerge!
Levi's form slump after injuring his hand, along with the emergence of McKay and De Koning, had greatly weakened his position. Then SpecialK had his heart scare and the situation changed again.
Is there room for both Levi and Jones if Kreuzer stays?
I would think SOS is thinking "steak knife" as far as Levi is conerned. Of course those deals may not get done and barring injuries Levi could look forward to 2019 in the NBs.
Kerr, TDK, Harry means goodbye Levi. He covered for a year which is what we wanted.
Even re-rookie JGM for the role, or Corbett but time to move on.
Kerr, TDK, Harry means goodbye Levi. He covered for a year which is what we wanted.
Even re-rookie JGM for the role, or Corbett but time to move on.
Yeah I forgot about JGM and his recent role revival, but he too has had a long time on the list already. Surely this is The Brodie Effect, because years of our development coaches have done nada!
(Not bagging Fraser because he's a newbie, I've listened to him closely and he's better than many we've had previously! To me, ignoring the professional development hoops they need to jump through, Fraser looked more like a senior coach than Barker did at the same stage! Of course we don't get to hear Barker up close!)