Carlton Supporters Club

Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!

Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!

But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!

Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!

Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!

But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!

Starc bowls good yorkers to the tail but is a opening test bowler who needs four slips and a gully plus batsman playing defensively initially......in test cricket his wide short or legside rubbish will often be let go but not at one day level....
Hazlewood is accurate but at his pace on flat wickets is also hittable and like Starc likes to build pressure to get his wickets which vs attacking batsman doesnt work...

Dale Steyn isnt a great one day bowler either IMO and tries to bowl nice outswingers that suit attacking test fields, ditto for Jimmy Anderson and I can even remember Dennis Lillee not really the same bowler in the shorter format...

IMO specialist one day bowlers is where the game is at these days and you are really looking at bowling allrounders who can throw the bat......eg Woakes is a woeful test bowler IMO but a real good ODI cricketer and we need to get more of his type into the team. A player like Ben Cutting is probably going to be more value than a Hazlewood type.....

Yes to Agar, absolutely.  there's something about finger spinners that make them harder to hit.....unless you are a world class leggy, which Zampa is not.  Agar is a very clean striker of the ball as well.  I hope he gets a gong again in tests one day soon.

Need to can the idea of playing your test fast bowling attack in a one day series right before another huge test series vs SAF.  If there's nothing scheduled, then fine.  Mind you, at least they've not played all of them in all 5 matches.  Mitchell Starc really needs to be playing a match or two in shield cricket, he is bowling poop atm.  But there'll be none of that while the Big Bash hold court for over a month !.

Actually i'd pick Lyon and one of our best T20 Big Bash bowlers, either Fawad Ahmed or Mitchell Swepson. Both have been very good. Leggies have done well in the BBL. Rashid proved to be trouble in the recent ODI series. I'd play two spinners these days. Australian have to move with the times in regards to ODIs.

As EB mentioned the Woakes type who can bowl and slog 20 or 30 is all the rage.   Coulter-Nile bowls slippery pace and can swing lustily might be worth a go, but I think his shoulder is bust ATM?  That's the kind of bowler you need to be thinking about for  modern ODI squads.

 The days of  Malinga, Lee, Tait and the Pakis bowling screaming Yorkers and going through sides with 150 + km/hr stuff seems to be part of a previous era now - the rubbish is too easily put away and the edges and mis-hits go for boundaries.

I'm 100% in agreement.

I'm not claiming Starc wouldn't be effective when conditions suit, but conditions have to suit him and in most countries 8 out of 10 games don't suit him. For me the ODI Coutler-Niles and Stoinis types need more exposure and it should come at the expense of players like Smith, Marsh and Starc.

I read an article today in which Smith allegedly questioned England's tactics stating they may not hold up. But he's hardly in a position of strength to make such a sweeping statement. I suspect he's been coached to make a statement that is nothing more than deflection!

Starc's never had an ODI issue in any country hence his outstanding average, economy and strike rate. As for Tests, his best Series comfortably was the last Sri Lankan Tour.

Starc's a good ODI bowler, a great finisher to the low order, but I think he's well away from where we need him to be when bowling to the top order.

Starc's figures are greatly bolstered by those cheap wickets he picks up at the bottom end of the innings. Not that isn't in someway valuable but the figures are distorted, when you drill down from the general match stats into the details this becomes quite apparent. Lots of those four wicket hauls are three tail enders.

We need another bowler or two that make it harder for the top order, for the tail end I'd back in most of our better ODI and 20/20 bowlers to clean up the tail if they were given the opportunity!

That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.

Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3830

Predicted this kind of BS pre his appointment.  Every time he opens his mouth it's BS and obsfucation.

That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.

Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.

http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3830

If Maxwell had the opportunities at test level the Marsh boys got.... Any FUs from that pair in Dubai and let's see if Langer has the stones to dump his mates.