So, we lick our wounds and fly to SA next week.
I note Port play Melbourne tomorrow. Dixon and Wines big out. We'll win this one if Charlie C. puts in.
Their injury list:
Joe Atley Knee Available
Matthew Broadbent Hamstring TBC
Charlie Dixon Leg/ankle TBC
Riley Grundy Knee TBC
Sam Hayes Knee TBC
Jarrod Lienert Knee TBC
Jake Patmore Knee Season
Paddy Ryder Cheekbone Available
Ollie Wines Shoulder 2-3 weeks
Updated: Thursday, March 21
Early prognosis
Ryder has been given the all clear to take on Melbourne at the MCG on Saturday. The ruckman will wear headgear to protect his cheekbone. Co-captain Wines looks set to miss at least the first two rounds in his recovery from shoulder surgery. Vice-captain Hartlett will play in a SANFL trial game on Friday night in his first game back from a torn ACL, while young midfielder Atley (knee) will also resume with the Port Adelaide Magpies. Broadbent will miss the SANFL game after experiencing hamstring tightness at training. The club isn't putting a timeframe on the return of key forward Dixon, who had a clean-out of his right ankle on Tuesday afternoon. He's likely to miss at least the first month of the season and possibly longer. Defender Lienert is sidelined with medial damage to his knee sustained in the second JLT Community Series game against North Melbourne. - Lee Gaskin
I should add that no Wingard, no Polec, but Watts still there!
Port by 5 goals. 3 goals in Melbourne, but they get an extra 2 for the home ground advantage.
Cons....our interstate record is poor and Port are on the own dung heap.
Ryder and Lycett will be too much for Philips IMO and its hard to see Kreuzer being fit to play
Pro's....Port are rebuilding and have a team of kids especially down back.
Melbourne should smash them and hopefully create some chaos in their selections for the following week.
They have Watts who hasnt exactly been a rip snorting success on the field....
Its a game we should win IMO as I dont rate Port at all and reckon Hinkley is gone at years end....
Charlie owes us a big one as does McGovern and no Wines means Cripps should dominate.
Blues by 17 points as I reckon our kids are better than theirs and its time we won interstate and we wont get a better chance
vs such a weak Port outfit..
Bluesrock I'd maybe delete that post if I was you.
Bluesrock I'd maybe delete that post if I was you.
Done.
Ill actually judge where we are at based on what we bring to the table this week vs PA even if it is over there. Richmond are flag favourites so its no surprise they beat us (2018 Wooden Spooners) by 5-6 goals. PA are rubbish in my opinion hence I expect a much closer game, even a win this week.
Ill actually judge where we are at based on what we bring to the table this week vs PA even if it is over there. Richmond are flag favourites so its no surprise they beat us (2018 Wooden Spooners) by 5-6 goals. PA are rubbish in my opinion hence I expect a much closer game, even a win this week.
Have ever played well at Adelaide Oval?
When was the last time we won in Adelaide? Was Fev still part of the team ?
Have ever played well at Adelaide Oval?
When was the last time we won in Adelaide? Was Fev still part of the team ?
Kicked the winner from the boundary right on the siren?
Have ever played well at Adelaide Oval? No, lost all three.
When was the last time we won in Adelaide? Rnd 23 2013, beat PA by a point. Was Fev still part of the team ? No
Its a game we should win IMO as I dont rate Port at all and reckon Hinkley is gone at years end....
Charlie owes us a big one as does McGovern and no Wines means Cripps should dominate.
Blues by 17 points as I reckon our kids are better than theirs and its time we won interstate and we wont get a better chance
vs such a weak Port outfit..
Very much a game we can win.
Unlike many people on here, I was not that disappointed with our performance against the Tigers.
They are favourites for the flag this year and we won the second and third quarters against them. Not a bad effort.
We don't appear to have copped any injuries and should have Jack.S available this week.
Kreuser and Kennedy probably will still be out.
I don't see us making any drastic changes.
Garlett may be on shakey ground if we want to bring Jack in.
I reckon all our new blokes showed enough and will all make the grade IMO.
Phillips might struggle in the ruck battles but in most set positions we match up pretty well.
Wines is a big loss for Port.
A win now would do wonders for the Club in a number of ways, so I am full of optimism.
My optimism is at rock bottom. Dreams replaced by disillusionment. Any CFC supporter going into a game expecting a win is setting themself up for crushing disappointment.
Very much a game we can win.
Unlike many people on here, I was not that disappointed with our performance against the Tigers.
They are favourites for the flag this year and we won the second and third quarters against them. Not a bad effort.
We don't appear to have copped any injuries and should have Jack.S available this week.
Kreuser and Kennedy probably will still be out.
I don't see us making any drastic changes.
Garlett may be on shakey ground if we want to bring Jack in.
I reckon all our new blokes showed enough and will all make the grade IMO.
Phillips might struggle in the ruck battles but in most set positions we match up pretty well.
Wines is a big loss for Port.
A win now would do wonders for the Club in a number of ways, so I am full of optimism.
We usually get beat up by the same players ....Robbie Gray is probably the Port player who worries us more than most and I'd just like to see
Bolton identify these players more and make more of an effort to stop them. I dont want a player with L Plates like Garlett/Polson picking him up because its good for their development etc.
He needs our best lock down mid sized defender and a Plan B option if that doesnt work, same with someone like Westhoff who has been playing on a wing and floating down forward, back and being a nuisance every time we play them. We can beat Port and other teams if we plan for a win and not so much for development IMO...
I too see shortcomings in Bolton's unwillingness to 'stop' certain opposition players....
Ed C. and Kennedy the most likely but if you stop certain players having a real, ongoing influence, you can effectively stop the opposition....
Jones on Westhof?
As for ed Curnow as a forward? why?
I too see shortcomings in Bolton's unwillingness to 'stop' certain opposition players....
Ed C. and Kennedy the most likely but if you stop certain players having a real, ongoing influence, you can effectively stop the opposition....
Jones on Westhof?
As for ed Curnow as a forward? why?
I'm starting to think that we are trying to find roles for players we have, rather than find players for the roles we have.
That is, if Ed is no longer needed in the midfield, perhaps he's no longer needed at all. Perhaps we can find a HFF who is better than Curnow in the same position.
I'm starting to think that we are trying to find roles for players we have, rather than find players for the roles we have.
That is, if Ed is no longer needed in the midfield, perhaps he's no longer needed at all. Perhaps we can find a HFF who is better than Curnow in the same position.
You nailed it...was just about to write same.......I like Ed and he is a good warrior but positions onball are tight with the impressive Setterfield, Dow and Walsh now
filling onball roles.
Having to find a role for Ed isnt right and we need a specialist HFF who can help distribute the footy as well as lock it in...
I'd use SPS in that role if he could be consistent with his tackle pressure/chasing etc as he can use the footy and deliver unlike Ed..
Port looking very good against Melbourne at the MCG so far.
We’re in trouble next week if they bring this effort at their home ground and we dish up more of 1st and 4th quarter efforts.
Port looking very good against Melbourne at the MCG so far.
We’re in trouble next week if they bring this effort at their home ground and we dish up more of 1st and 4th quarter efforts.
We don't run as fast and hard and for as long enough as Port to be a chance.
My optimism is at rock bottom. Dreams replaced by disillusionment. Any CFC supporter going into a game expecting a win is setting themself up for crushing disappointment.
Cheer up Prof, there's worse things going on in the world than our football teams performance. We just have to get oursleves up week in week out no matter the result. I have no doubt the players will. Look for the positives and be happy with them for now, good times will come again, nothing surer. You just have to believe in our young blokes (well most of them at least), they will improve as a unit. I can see the differences and improvements in alot of them. Eg. Fisher taking down Dusty trying the dont argue, Weiters back to his first year form, Cunners dash and run, The Colossus Cripps who is taking the competition by storm, H starting to become the player we dreamt he would be, Walshy the 18 year old kid who looks like he's played for 10 years, Paddy Dow who's put on bulk and added power to his running. When Charlie snaps out of his form slump and he, Gov and H learn to play together, mark my words we will be hard to stop. Fas, Gibbo and Cunners at their feet we have the makings of a very nice forward line. We still have Kruze, Marchy and Willo to come back in and bolster up their divisions. Just keep the faith Prof, we'll be right mate.
Jones on Westhof?
As for
Ed Curnow as a forward? why?
Ed C as a forward is a strange move I reckon. Just don't understand that one.
Ed is a good hard on-ball player. A good tagger and can run all day. I don't understand why we are trying to change him now.
Jones on Westhoff. Certainly worth a try.
You nailed it...was just about to write same.......I like Ed and he is a good warrior but positions onball are tight with the impressive Setterfield, Dow and Walsh now
filling onball roles. Having to find a role for Ed isnt right and we need a specialist HFF who can help distribute the footy as well as lock it in...
I'd use SPS in that role if he could be consistent with his tackle pressure/chasing etc as he can use the footy and deliver unlike Ed..
x3
We don't run as fast and hard and for as long enough as Port to be a chance.
Well they got up against Melbourne by 4 goals, in Melbourne.
We’re going to struggle against them in Adelaide.
Ed C as a forward is a strange move I reckon. Just don't understand that one.
Ed is a good hard on-ball player. A good tagger and can run all day. I don't understand why we are trying to change him now.
Jones on Westhoff. Certainly worth a try.
Agree...Ed has to go back tagging and Westhoff has just bagged 5 vs the Dees so its going to have to be Jones who plays on him because he is the only one with the mobility and size.
Port surprised the Dees with their pace and ball movement.....Lycett also out muscled Gawn, wonder if we might play two rucks....
Agree...Ed has to go back tagging and Westhoff has just bagged 5 vs the Dees so its going to have to be Jones who plays on him because he is the only one with the mobility and size.
Port surprised the Dees with their pace and ball movement.....Lycett also out muscled Gawn, wonder if we might play two rucks....
They haven't just bettered the Dees and Gawn, they smashed them!
It was pointless running McKay vs Nankervis, and it'll be twice as pointless running him against Lycett and/or Ryder.
Unless of course our season is about gaining another No.1 pick to wedge Kelly onto the list!
At this stage on a cursory level they are making the same mistake with McKay that they made with Casboult, they are taking a player's A-Game and discarding it for their B-Game.
The other problem for us is it's was Ports hard as nails mids doing the dominating, against Jones, Oliver, Viney, Hibberd, etc., etc.. Next week they have Cripps and a bunch of kids to deal with.
They haven't just bettered the Dees and Gawn, they smashed them!.....
Unless of course our season is about gaining another No.1 pick to wedge Kelly onto the list!
If we earn a first round pick this year it goes to Adelaide.
They haven't just bettered the Dees and Gawn, they smashed them!
It was pointless running McKay vs Nankervis, and it'll be twice as pointless running him against Lycett and/or Ryder.
Unless of course our season is about gaining another No.1 pick to wedge Kelly onto the list!
At this stage on a cursory level they are making the same mistake with McKay that they made with Casboult, they are taking a player's A-Game and discarding it for their B-Game.
The other problem for us is it's was Ports hard as nails mids doing the dominating, against Jones, Oliver, Viney, Hibberd, etc., etc.. Next week they have Cripps and a bunch of kids to deal with.
93 uncontested possie advantage to Port...thats a lot of Port players running hard and a lot of lazy Dees players not working hard enough.....Rockliff 44 possies....Dees must have let him run around on his own all day as Rocky isnt known for knocking himself out to get the tough ball.
Agree on McKay....not that comfortable rucking and was brushed aside in a few ruck contests......to Casboult or not to Casboult thats the question?....not sure of Lobbe's injury status?
I'd ruck Jones for some X factor but with our backline lacking proven key talls its not an option....
I'd ruck Jones for some X factor but with our backline lacking proven key talls its not an option....
If we want McKay to learn the role of a mobile KPF who occasionally rucks, running him around tagging Westhoff wouldn't be too bad of an option!
I would play DeKoning
If we earn a first round pick this year it goes to Adelaide.
Yep, part of the Stocker deal. Unless we somehow deal ourselves back in, we're out of the 2019 1st round.
I would play DeKoning
AFL website states DeKoning has a moderate grade lateral ligament knee injury, acquired in 3rd qtr of Thursday's VFL match.
I would play DeKoning
Thought he was injured in the NB's game?.......maybe a bit light vs Lycett and Ryder?
AFL website states DeKoning has a moderate grade lateral ligament knee injury, acquired in 3rd qtr of Thursday's VFL match.
Then I probably wouldn't play him.
Yep, part of the Stocker deal. Unless we somehow deal ourselves back in, we're out of the 2019 1st round.
We have the Crow's first rounder.
We have the Crow's first rounder.
Ah yes. You're right. Focussing too much on dinner and too little on reading draft results. :-[
From all reports Port has had an intense focus on this Round 1 game against Melbourne and built themselves up accordingly. Might run the risk of a bit of letdown coming into the second week. They played above themselves today. Can they do it twice in 2 weeks??
I cannot see us as anything but 0 / 2. Some might have assumed other clubs would stand still over summer whilst we went on an aggressive drive to get the best. IMO, I don't think we went far enough
If we want McKay to learn the role of a mobile KPF who occasionally rucks, running him around tagging Westhoff wouldn't be too bad of an option!
Which would also save us from having to take Jones out of defence which would be problematic unless we brought in a tall defender. Options thin in that area unless we think Casboult can do the job in the ones, he hasn't shone in that role in the 2s. Goddard just doesn't seem to be up to it and Ben S is a long way off. Lobbe maybe in to share ruck/forward duties with Phillips and release McKay to run with Westhoff? Does he have the tank? Is it worth trying anyway for education (both player and match committee) purposes?
Casboult forward/second ruck seems the most likely unless Kreuzer comes up.
I think if we are running with so many talls Charlie, McKay, McGovern, Jones, Cripps, Phillips and or Kreuzer then there is no reason we can't rotate a 2nd ruck off the bench and let the 9 of them manage their own rotations.
There seems no valid reason, other than MC policy, why guys like Charlie, McGovern, Weitering and Jones cannot take boundary line throw ins when appropriate but they are being used that way which causes issues with solo rucks. Plenty of other clubs do this.
Further at the weekend, despite the loud howls from many that the new rules mean you cannot play two rucks, it seems teams which dominated were often surprisingly running with two players in genuine dedicated ruck roles.
Port, Dawks, Crows, Lions and Freo all dominated single ruck opposition. The work required to correct the loss of the center clearance is far greater than the work needed to take advantage of the winning center clearance. I suspect if you are surrendering the center too often it takes a toll, especially if you have a shallow, inexperienced or wasteful midfield.
To me the issue is this, despite low scoring the very early trend is a larger percentage of scores coming directly from stoppages. While I haven't seen the figures, I'll expect that we will find that much of the increase in the percentage split coming from center square clearances and clean takeaways. Really it most likely is the case because around the ground the rules haven't really changed. We probably won't know for 5 or 6 weeks if the trend is real, but it suggests wining the ruck or at least not losing it is critical under the new rules.
Of course some clubs have a luxury in that they have dedicated rucks who are useful as forwards or defenders, and I'm sure some will argue we had Phillips and McKay, but I'd argue two talls is not the same as two rucks.
Safe to say Fasolo dropped this week?
Polson in?
Unless there is an injury we don't know about that's the only change I can think of.
Safe to say Fasolo dropped this week?
Polson in?
Unless there is an injury we don't know about that's the only change I can think of.
Maybe.. but hard to drop Fasalo after just one game IMO...
Garlett might be looked at but we might need his pace given the way Port ran all over the Dees.
Then do you think about another ruckman to help Philips given Lycett and Ryder gave Gawn a hard time and were influential?
Then do you think about another ruckman to help Philips given Lycett and Ryder gave Gawn a hard time and were influential?
Enter Levi??
Maybe.. but hard to drop Fasalo after just one game IMO...
Garlett might be looked at but we might need his pace given the way Port ran all over the Dees.
Then do you think about another ruckman to help Philips given Lycett and Ryder gave Gawn a hard time and were influential?
Can't drop anyone really....
unless the two ruckmen option is considered must.....
I'd be playing Charlie on a wing - get him in the thick of it.....
I'd be playing Charlie on a wing - get him in the thick of it.....
Yep, to me assuming the weather is clear it allows him to influence the game even if he isn't getting the football. Opposition have to respect Charlie because he's got the runs on the board, a major point of difference between Charlie and McKay, and they can't put some tall aerobic spud on Charlie it has to be a player of consequence.
I genuinely think the key to taking the next step is to allow our better players to become a bit ambivalent to their opponents. When guys like Charlie and McGovern show some arrogance with some aggression they play their best football.
Maybe give Charlie or McGovern free license to fly 3rd man up around the ground.
I can't see Fas getting a game. He looked underdone.
Kreuzer will need at least 1 VFL game. He's been out for a while.
Can't drop anyone really....
unless the two ruckmen option is considered must.....
I'd be playing Charlie on a wing - get him in the thick of it.....
x3, can't add much to that or what the Spotted One said.
I really like the idea of getting Charlie into the action up the ground (FB77) and encouraging more boldness in our play (LP).
Said it previously on other threads regarding some of these points:
1. Curnow doesn't have the finishing skills to play as a permanent forward IMO...and he showed exactly why a couple of times against Richmond. His best role is and has been his ability to run all day and shut down an opposition player. Can't work out why it wasn't his role on Thursday night against Cotchin?
2. McKay gets brushed aside too easily in ruck contests and Ryder/Lycett will flog him and work him over just like they did to Gawn. Can't comment on his pre-season form as I haven't seen any, but Casboult might get a gig this week as purely the best option as second ruckman. Only issue will be what he does when he's not rucking as we'd have one too many talls...unless McGovern plays back this week.
Said it previously on other threads regarding some of these points:
1. Curnow doesn't have the finishing skills to play as a permanent forward IMO...and he showed exactly why a couple of times against Richmond. His best role is and has been his ability to run all day and shut down an opposition player. Can't work out why it wasn't his role on Thursday night against Cotchin?
Maybe because he kicked 5 in the corresponding game last year?!?
Maybe because he kicked 5 in the corresponding game last year?!?
I think by Curnow he means Ed.
I think by Curnow he means Ed.
Good pickup!! Need to brush up my comprehension skills! I’d still be happy to see Cripps and CC swap ecru so often.
Good pickup!! Need to brush up my comprehension skills! I’d still be happy to see Cripps and CC swap ecru so often.
I can't help you on that one! :o
Clurey 193cm
Jonas 187cm
Burton 191cm
Bonner 190cm
Houston 187cm
Byrne Jones 180cm
I'd be playing Charlie down forward along with Harry and take advantage of the height difference......reckon Port would love seeing Charlie on the wing and away from the goals.
Ports backline is all about rebound and mobility, they want the ball on the deck and not in the air.
Charlie has to lift his game and not be given a easy out by playing on a wing IMO...both he and Harry should dominate their smaller opponents if we give them half decent service.
If he doesnt perform this week its back to the NB's and Kerr can take his place, same with Fasalo, he will have a taller player on him most likely so will need to move around
and work harder.....
No excuses for our forwards this week if the supply is ok......its a inexperienced undersized, no name Port backline that should not present the problems that the taller and more experienced Tiger defense did.
Clurey 193cm
Jonas 187cm
Burton 191cm
Bonner 190cm
Houston 187cm
Byrne Jones 180cm
I'd be playing Charlie down forward along with Harry and take advantage of the height difference......reckon Port would love seeing Charlie on the wing and away from the goals.
Ports backline is all about rebound and mobility, they want the ball on the deck and not in the air.
Charlie has to lift his game and not be given a easy out by playing on a wing IMO...both he and Harry should dominate their smaller opponents if we give them half decent service.
If he doesnt perform this week its back to the NB's and Kerr can take his place, same with Fasalo, he will have a taller player on him most likely so will need to move around
and work harder.....
No excuses for our forwards this week if the supply is ok......its a inexperienced undersized, no name Port backline that should not present the problems that the taller and more experienced Tiger defense did.
All I was suggesting EB was for BB to be more creative on match day - move a bloke like Charlie around more if things aren't working for him....
A very winnable game if we play for 4 quarters.
McGov and Fas will shine with a bit more game time - and better delivery into F50.
All I was suggesting EB was for BB to be more creative on match day - move a bloke like Charlie around more if things aren't working for him....
A very winnable game if we play for 4 quarters.
McGov and Fas will shine with a bit more game time - and better delivery into F50.
Fly..no argument from me about BB needing to be more creative and like you i reckon this is a winnable game.
My take is though we have engineered a tall forward line probably against the trend of the smaller pressure forward model and if there is one game where we can take advantage of being different its this
game vs a short inexperienced Power backline. McGovern needs to deliver this week more than Fasalo who still needs some match fitness IMO....
Agreed EB. They might be forced to push Westhoff back at times to cover our talls but would be loathe to do it after his game on the weekend up forward. Their ruckman, particularly Ryder, are good at pushing forward and can kick goals. Phillips got flogged around the ground by Nankervis last week and won't get any reprieve this week.
Charlie had a shocker but I doubt he's ready for a stint in the twos just yet.
Agreed EB. They might be forced to push Westhoff back at times to cover our talls but would be loathe to do it after his game on the weekend up forward. Their ruckman, particularly Ryder, are good at pushing forward and can kick goals. Phillips got flogged around the ground by Nankervis last week and won't get any reprieve this week.
Charlie had a shocker but I doubt he's ready for a stint in the twos just yet.
Is it me or do our ruckman (all of them) seem to have little (close to zero) impact outside of stoppages?
FB, I would say that's where Kreuzer is vastly different to Phillips and Lobbe....his work around the ground is in the mould of a genuine follower....Phillips did okay in the ruck contests but Nankervis left him for dead around the ground.
Is it me or do our ruckman (all of them) seem to have little (close to zero) impact outside of stoppages?
Outside of Kruezer your 100% correct.
Outside of Kruezer your 100% correct.
Agree SB, sometimes I think to myself he is a better midfielder than a Ruckman when I see his second and third efforts (if that makes sense).
Agree SB, sometimes I think to myself he is a better midfielder than a Ruckman when I see his second and third efforts (if that makes sense).
Makes perfect sense, he is a great footballer who has been cruelled by injury, fingers crossed we can get him on the park to help support this up and coming midfield we are assembling.
If we're serious about winning we need a bazillion more pressure acts in the front half.... Fasolo and Gibbons should be on notice. No pressure... No senior place.
Maybe.. but hard to drop Fasalo after just one game IMO...
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Shouldn't have been picked last week.
Shouldn't be picked this week, based on last week.
Charlie had a shocker but I doubt he's ready for a stint in the twos just yet.
Hmmm, not so sure. His JLT form was very ordinary and he carried it into the season proper. He is still young and relatively inexperienced, we would drop anyone else to the 2's if they had that form. He'd wanna put in a good one this week or else its Hello NB's IMO. Charlie should not be immune to criticism and has to have the same rules as everyone else applied with respect to poor form (ie needs to earn every game). Its all about being ruthless, if we have 6-7 passengers again this week, we will get pantsed no matter how crapola we think Port are.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Shouldn't have been picked last week.
Shouldn't be picked this week, based on last week.
Agree he shouldnt have been picked last week but thats down to Bolton and the selectors ..not Fasalo..
Who is knocking down the door to get in the team to play Fasalo's small forward position?........two wrongs would be picking a out of form player
to replace a unfit Fasalo wouldnt it?
3 tall forwards plus Fasolo is a whack forward setup. Play 3 talls plus 3 midgets who will chase and harass for 4 quarters (or as close as we can get). On the other hand, I'd rather find out what Fasolo can offer early in the season, and then play him the magoos if it doesn't work.
Fasolo is a goal kicker, so we can't accuse Bolton of trying to throw the game.
Agree he shouldnt have been picked last week but thats down to Bolton and the selectors ..not Fasalo..
Who is knocking down the door to get in the team to play Fasalo's small forward position?........two wrongs would be picking a out of form player
to replace a unfit Fasalo wouldnt it?
Yes it was on Bolton and co on selecting him. And its on Bolton and co to NOT select him this week.
By all reports Jack dominated the 2's in the lead up. Would put us behind on pace, but not on effort. He could switch into the midfield and we could allow a mid to go forward, SPS, Walsh, whoever.
Polson is the one i'd pick, hard to get a form line on him, because he plays to instructions and we're not privvy to them.
Either Jack or Polson would be an upgrade on what Fasolo dished up last week. He needs game time in the NBs to get his fitness up to AFL standard
Clurey 193cm
Jonas 187cm
Burton 191cm
Bonner 190cm
Houston 187cm
Byrne Jones 180cm
I'd be playing Charlie down forward along with Harry and take advantage of the height difference......reckon Port would love seeing Charlie on the wing and away from the goals.
Ports backline is all about rebound and mobility, they want the ball on the deck and not in the air.
Charlie has to lift his game and not be given a easy out by playing on a wing IMO...both he and Harry should dominate their smaller opponents if we give them half decent service.
If he doesnt perform this week its back to the NB's and Kerr can take his place, same with Fasalo, he will have a taller player on him most likely so will need to move around
and work harder.....
No excuses for our forwards this week if the supply is ok......its a inexperienced undersized, no name Port backline that should not present the problems that the taller and more experienced Tiger defense did.
I agree entirely. Charlie is supposed to be the next big thing in the key forward stakes and that is entirely reasonable based on his form last year. However, Astbury got hold of him last game - and he's not the only forward to be shut down by Astbury - and it would be folly to try to turn him into a wingman on the basis of being beaten in one game. For a start it would do wonders for his confidence ... not!
With Astbury having his hands full with Charlie and Rance off the ground, McGovern and Harry should have had an easier time. Harry was OK but McGovern looked rusty, apart from his brief stint in defence. I expect a better performance from the Gov this week.
Fasolo looked underdone and it was probably a mistake to play him. We can't afford to have a bloke in the 22 who doesn't get double figure disposals, unless he is shutting down an opponent or slotting goals with every kick. I would play Polson, or perhaps SOJ, in preference to Fasolo on the basis of Thursday's effort.
Yes it was on Bolton and co on selecting him. And its on Bolton and co to NOT select him this week.
By all reports Jack dominated the 2's in the lead up. Would put us behind on pace, but not on effort. He could switch into the midfield and we could allow a mid to go forward, SPS, Walsh, whoever.
Polson is the one i'd pick, hard to get a form line on him, because he plays to instructions and we're not privvy to them.
Jack would make us very slow if he did play forward, take your point you could play SPS forward or another mid(not Ed)...maybe Garlett plays forward(Obrien in to play back?)...Pickett would have been a more obvious replacement but alas is where he usually is and thats injured.
Polson?....if he is playing to instructions not to get the footy then he should win the B&F in a canter....IMO his only role is as a lock down tagger as he doesnt offer much else apart from turn over value and Port murdered
the Dee's on turnovers. Maybe he could play one of Ports newbie kids like Butters.....
Jack would make us very slow if he did play forward, take your point you could play SPS forward or another mid(not Ed)...maybe Garlett plays forward(Obrien in to play back?)...Pickett would have been a more obvious replacement but alas is where he usually is and thats injured.
Polson?....if he is playing to instructions not to get the footy then he should win the B&F in a canter....IMO his only role is as a lock down tagger as he doesnt offer much else apart from turn over value and Port murdered
the Dee's on turnovers. Maybe he could play one of Ports newbie kids like Butters.....
Fasolo managed a grand total of 5 touches on Thursday night and 1 goal. He is almost 27yo and has played just over 100 games.
Polson managed 15 touches AND 2 goals 1 in his last match (R23 last year) against Adelaide. Has just turned 21 and has played 13 games.
Obviously, Polson plays defense too. 7 tackles in that last game mentioned above....as opposed to fasolos 1 tackle.
We don't have players who do tackling / pressure acts like Poppy, Cyril and Breust, but we need better than Fasolo. Ideally players with pace endurance, and who can stick a tackle. The closest in my view are :
Pickett (as per Elwood, engaged in an enduring love affair with our rehab department )
Polson
Cuningham
Fisher (can tackle and has pace)
Garlett (pacy but not too keen on tackling)
Walsh
Lang (described as a a HHF on the CFC website, but also injured)
SPS
Murphy (would be ideal, but doesn’t tackle much.)
We need to do something about locking the ball in F50 - those F50 entries are precious and a lot of work goes into getting the ball down there. A similar amount of work is needed keeping it there.
It has been highlighted that the sides that won in round 1 brought significant forward half pressure.
Pretty easy really, if Fasolo et al don't, can't or won't do it this week... bye bye.
I'm more than a tad bemused why we persist with the Ed C up forward schtick... time for Murphy to play as a semi permanent forward (he DOES have the smarts to play up forward and can kick goals), he also seems to have a lot of rushed possessions these days, a sign that his best midfield days are behind him.
Ed C can go back to his customary on ball or wing role - can contribute in a much more positive manner that way. I'm ok with flexible thinking from the MC, but not bloodyminded persisting with a failed experiment or finding a role to keep a bloke in the side.
Curnow and Fasolo must perform ... otherwise the NBs until they do
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-03-23/jumper-presentation-past-meets-future
this was bloody good!
It has been highlighted that the sides that won in round 1 brought significant forward half pressure.
Pretty easy really, if Fasolo et al don't, can't or won't do it this week... bye bye.
I'm more than a tad bemused why we persist with the Ed C up forward schtick... time for Murphy to play as a semi permanent forward (he DOES have the smarts to play up forward and can kick goals), he also seems to have a lot of rushed possessions these days, a sign that his best midfield days are behind him.
Ed C can go back to his customary on ball or wing role - can contribute in a much more positive manner that way. I'm ok with flexible thinking from the MC, but not bloodyminded persisting with a failed experiment or finding a role to keep a bloke in the side.
Agree with all this, Ive said it many times, Murph has good fwd line craft and can draw a free kick. Agree also Ed on a wing/stopping role.
Fasolo managed a grand total of 5 touches on Thursday night and 1 goal. He is almost 27yo and has played just over 100 games.
Polson managed 15 touches AND 2 goals 1 in his last match (R23 last year) against Adelaide. Has just turned 21 and has played 13 games.
Obviously, Polson plays defense too. 7 tackles in that last game mentioned above....as opposed to fasolos 1 tackle.
Polson did have that one good game but his JLT form was ordinary and his overall 13 games have been under whelming...the coach may have a love affair with him
but Ken Hinkley wont be losing any sleep or making any grand plans to counter his impact either.
I'm not sure why we recruited Fasalo if we are going to ditch him after one game for a kid who has has no form in the lead up games?
Polson did have that one good game but his JLT form was ordinary and his overall 13 games have been under whelming...the coach may have a love affair with him
but Ken Hinkley wont be losing any sleep or making any grand plans to counter his impact either.
I'm not sure why we recruited Fasalo if we are going to ditch him after one game for a kid who has has no form in the lead up games?
Yep.
Fas will be alright. He just looked a bit under cooked.
Give him a bit of time in the VFL. Polson or JSOS or Stocker or whoever
Don't know why Gibbons is getting a free pass. A mature ager from the vfl and barely fired a shot.
Matty Wright was better value than both of them thus far.
Don't know why Gibbons is getting a free pass. A mature ager from the vfl and barely fired a shot.
Matty Wright was better value than both of them thus far.
what were his stats?
Don't know why Gibbons is getting a free pass. A mature ager from the vfl and barely fired a shot.
Matty Wright was better value than both of them thus far.
I thought that Gibbons did OK but struggled a bit with the tempo and pressure. I doubt whether he will be able to reproduce his VFL form at AFL level (and he has a different role) but he deserves another couple of games to find his feet.
Matty Wright’s form last season was ordinary and Gibbo’s contribution was comparable. Fas has some work to do if he is to match Wright at his best.
I expect guys like O'Brien, Stocker and Owies to roll right past them in no time at all!
Gibbons had played one game vs one of the better teams in the comp who we struggle against....he is a pure midfielder being forced to played as a small pressure forward for the first time in a new forward line that is being reconstructed.
McGovern was no star and either was Charlie Curnow.....Gibbons would be on minimal money as a rookie yet he is the fall guy along with Fasalo who had had no decent preseason at all and was a dumb selection.
Gibbons is an accessory player at best who is costing the club peanuts.......McGovern and Charlie Curnow are the ones that need to deliver and who should have the heat on them IMO because they are being paid the big money to win matches.
Gibbons/Polson/Garlett/Jack....no matter who your choice is this week are we really expecting them to be the difference?
Ed Curnow has been pushed out of our MF and is also in an unfamiliar role. He is much better value as a tagger. Not a promising start as a SF.
Gibbons/Polson/Garlett/Jack....no matter who your choice is this week are we really expecting them to be the difference?
Good points, and no I don't expect they will be the difference this week or in the long term either!
However, I expect McGovern, Charlie and Phillips to step up significantly after an otherwise poor week.
We desperately in need of outside run, Pickett , Lang and O’Brien eventually. How long will it take to get them on the Park?
Inside we’re top notch, Cripps and Kennedy are the battering rams, Walsh will be an exquisite inside midfielder , beautiful hands with great Footy IQ and Stocker a bit later exquisite kick dual sides great bust speed. Ed is our marker , stopping opponents best play maker.
As for small crumping forward we don’t have an elite simple, maybe Fasolo, Murphy and Lang all rotating midfield too, Garlett a long shot.
Polson did have that one good game but his JLT form was ordinary and his overall 13 games have been under whelming...the coach may have a love affair with him
but Ken Hinkley wont be losing any sleep or making any grand plans to counter his impact either.
I'm not sure why we recruited Fasalo if we are going to ditch him after one game for a kid who has has no form in the lead up games?
Fas had no form to speak of, at least polson is fit.
He's had more than 1 good game, but it's a bit like the brownlow, people have a good year.... But only gets recognised a year later.
Done.
Apologies - it was meant as a joke - but in retrospect i understand it wasnt appropriate.
Very sorry guys
Apologies - it was meant as a joke - but in retrospect i understand it wasnt appropriate.
Very sorry guys
Good on yer BP. 8)
Gibbons had played one game vs one of the better teams in the comp who we struggle against....he is a pure midfielder being forced to played as a small pressure forward for the first time in a new forward line that is being reconstructed.
McGovern was no star and either was Charlie Curnow.....Gibbons would be on minimal money as a rookie yet he is the fall guy along with Fasalo who had had no decent preseason at all and was a dumb selection.
Gibbons is an accessory player at best who is costing the club peanuts.......McGovern and Charlie Curnow are the ones that need to deliver and who should have the heat on them IMO because they are being paid the big money to win matches.
Gibbons/Polson/Garlett/Jack....no matter who your choice is this week are we really expecting them to be the difference?
Loaded question, but yes.
The difference between our opposition waltzing out of our forwardline, and being made to be accountable.
Polson and Jack leading the way in that respect, and Gibbons and Fasolo should be earning their stripes. Wouldn't it be better to lose with an eye to the future rather than an eye to the present??
I'd give Gibbons some more games to get up to AFL pace, I only watched on tv but i saw him do some good things on Thursday night, seems to have a good footy brain and works hard to apply pressure. Fasolo on the other hand looked lazy and selfish, which co-incidentally is what he looked like every time I saw him play for the Filth
Loaded question, but yes.
The difference between our opposition waltzing out of our forwardline, and being made to be accountable.
Polson and Jack leading the way in that respect, and Gibbons and Fasolo should be earning their stripes. Wouldn't it be better to lose with an eye to the future rather than an eye to the present??
I'm trying to win games if I'm coaching.......re: Fasalo.. we knew what we were buying, he doesnt provide forward 50 pressure but he can kick multiple goals, he can take a strong mark for his inches and snap a goal...thats what you get.
Gibbons is a midfielder.....his forte is getting the ball and being creative with it, yes he can tackle and provide pressure but his CV at VFL level has been about playing onball as a midfielder..
Its like recruiting an Electrician and a Plasterer and then telling them they will be working as a Plumber but dont worry mate you know tools so it will be easy to retrain you ...why do we always try and change players roles and never recruit the real deal?
Polson will provide forward pressure/tackling but cant get the ball and a quarter of his few possies are clangars........
I like Jack but he isnt a small forward and has lost his place to McGovern in that 3rd tall role at the minute......would make our forward line very slow with 4 x taller types...
Pickett and/or Garlett should be playing the role or even Lebois but for various reasons are not available or not up to it.........
I think Fasolo makes our forward line look very slow with the 4x taller types. Has reasonable acceleration and pace if it looks like he's going to get on the end of the play and get a shot on goal, but looks sluggish when the opposition have the ball
I saw more than one occasion where Gibbons scrapped pretty hard to trap the ball in - one example where he was outnumbered and forced a stoppage. Im prepared to give him time, he has the right mindset. Fasolo needs a decent game or is off to Cramer Street, he has no credits in the bank.
I don't know how good Gibbons is, but he is a real terrier and has the right, i.e, never give up, attitude. Decent pace as well.
I don't think we got Fas for his forward pressure but rather his ability to get on the end of forward play and hit the scoreboard; a good finisher.
I reckon we'll see Garlett up forward once Willilamson or Marchbank return.
Really liked Gibbo's attack on the aggott and there were some impressive 1%ers as EB1 pointed out. He, like Fas, should get better with more games.
Polson is a chance to get a call-up this week as Port showed how quick they are, maybe comes in for Ed.
I have only seen highlights but Port set out to bully Gawn and were successful in limiting his influence.
Who will they target this week and how will we counter their questionable tactics. Gawn’s teammates left him like a shag on rock in what was a weak effort and poor coaching.
The other question is how will Phillips and McKay deal with Ryder and Lycett? Should we play Lobbe (assuming Kreuzer isn’t ready)?
I have only seen highlights but Port set out to bully Gawn and were successful in limiting his influence.
Who will they target this week and how will we counter their questionable tactics. Gawn’s teammates left him like a shag on rock in what was a weak effort and poor coaching.
The other question is how will Phillips and McKay deal with Ryder and Lycett? Should we play Lobbe (assuming Kreuzer isn’t ready)?
re Gawn,
Everyone is raving about these tactics and how they won the game off them. Maybe.
However, Eddie and co told us this morning that Gawn actually spent some time in hospital last week having a boil removed(? or whatever they do to them) and had to be put under a general anesthetic for it. So yes, he looked sluggish and took a lot of crap without firing back a whole lot, but thats because he probably shouldn't have been playing due to his far from ideal lead up.
I'm trying to win games if I'm coaching.......re: Fasalo.. we knew what we were buying, he doesnt provide forward 50 pressure but he can kick multiple goals, he can take a strong mark for his inches and snap a goal...thats what you get.
Gibbons is a midfielder.....his forte is getting the ball and being creative with it, yes he can tackle and provide pressure but his CV at VFL level has been about playing onball as a midfielder..
Its like recruiting an Electrician and a Plasterer and then telling them they will be working as a Plumber but dont worry mate you know tools so it will be easy to retrain you ...why do we always try and change players roles and never recruit the real deal?
Polson will provide forward pressure/tackling but cant get the ball and a quarter of his few possies are clangars........
I like Jack but he isnt a small forward and has lost his place to McGovern in that 3rd tall role at the minute......would make our forward line very slow with 4 x taller types...
Pickett and/or Garlett should be playing the role or even Lebois but for various reasons are not available or not up to it.........
Is Lebois injured? Did he play in the recent VFL hit out?
I cannot believe that some are calling for Ed Curnow to be dropped, but giving Fasolo another game. I know stats aren't everything, but seriously: Curnow 25 disposals, 12 marks, 3 tackles, 113 ranking points (2nd behind Newman); Fasolo 5 disposals, 2 marks, 1 tackle, 28 ranking points. In terms of form, they are not in the same ballpark, probably not even in the same State
re Gawn,
Everyone is raving about these tactics and how they won the game off them. Maybe.
However, Eddie and co told us this morning that Gawn actually spent some time in hospital last week having a boil removed(? or whatever they do to them) and had to be put under a general anesthetic for it. So yes, he looked sluggish and took a lot of crap without firing back a whole lot, but thats because he probably shouldn't have been playing due to his far from ideal lead up.
Somehow I’d believe Gawn’s version of events before Eddie’s interpretation.
Virtually every Port player had a crack at him, even the first gamers, and Gawn and his teammates didn’t fire back. It reminded me a bit of how our players used to turn a blind eye when Murph was targeted.
..............Virtually every Port player had a crack at him, even the first gamers, and Gawn and his teammates didn’t fire back............
Gutless, low brow behaviour that also makes the game ugly as sin. Should be banned.
X2.
Tough is going the ball, not that crap. A big thank you to the umpires for not stamping it out. Pay a free, or frees, and DEAL WITH IT, don't pretend it isn't happening.
(the following is not directed at you Paul). Makes me laugh how many hypocrites there are in our society and the AFL, the loudest opponents to certain behaviours and actions haven't always been the paradigms of virtue they cultivate today.
I cannot believe that some are calling for Ed Curnow to be dropped, but giving Fasolo another game. I know stats aren't everything, but seriously: Curnow 25 disposals, 12 marks, 3 tackles, 113 ranking points (2nd behind Newman); Fasolo 5 disposals, 2 marks, 1 tackle, 28 ranking points. In terms of form, they are not in the same ballpark, probably not even in the same State
Few left on our list butcher the ball like Ed.
It appears the powers that be think Ed is surplus to midfield requirements - hence why they're playing him as a defensive forward (to find a spot for him).
Bad idea on both fronts - Ed is still our only decent tagger and (seemingly) pretty ordinary as a forward. Matty wright he is not.
So, either he's plays his traditional role or out of the team he goes?
X2.
Tough is going the ball, not that crap. A big thank you to the umpires for not stamping it out. Pay a free, or frees, and DEAL WITH IT, don't pretend it isn't happening.
(the following is not directed at you Paul). Makes me laugh how many hypocrites there are in our society and the AFL, the loudest opponents to certain behaviours and actions haven't always been the paradigms of virtue they cultivate today.
No worries. This is a quote from Robert Walls on Sticks :
It was his former premiership coach Robert Walls who perhaps best defined the latter. ''There were times when I told him: 'Why don't you drop back a few steps and let the bloke who's sitting on you get in front of you and you give him one?''' Walls said. ''But he would never do that because he was too honest. His work ethic was 'Hey, I'm not going to do anything but just attack the footy'. He was uncomplicated.''That's the way footy should be played.
The other question is how will Phillips and McKay deal with Ryder and Lycett? Should we play Lobbe (assuming Kreuzer isn’t ready)?
Umpires will be all over Port this week, a smart coaching panel would take advantage of that! ;)
Umpires will be all over Port this week, a smart coaching panel would take advantage of that! ;)
I suspect that will be the case, but we should have a Plan B in the event that they turn a blind eye again.
I hope our coaching panel is thinking about how to counter two genuine and effective rucks. Perhaps concentrate on sharking opposition hitouts?
I don't think we got Fas for his forward pressure but rather his ability to get on the end of forward play and hit the scoreboard; a good finisher.
I think JSOS does this as well as Fasolo, but brings an actual ability to play another role, is similarly paced, and cracks in harder (at this stage) to contests. His biggest issue is that he goes to ground too easily, and I think he has worked on that during the off season.
I reckon we'll see Garlett up forward once Willilamson or Marchbank return.
Really liked Gibbo's attack on the aggott and there were some impressive 1%ers as EB1 pointed out. He, like Fas, should get better with more games.
Polson is a chance to get a call-up this week as Port showed how quick they are, maybe comes in for Ed.
Gibbo vs Polson is another 50-50 in which I think Polson probably should get the priority. Gibbo is fine as a VFL - AFL convert, and his next step is to continue finding the pace and a role at AFL level which seems to be the only criteria to which he should get a game ahead of Polson. BUT Polson appeared to be finding his feet at AFL level towards the end of last season, showed some decent signs in the JLT re stopping a bloke like Saad, and also doing a job against the Pies.
We have possibly broken his confidence a little bit, in an effort to integrate a new bloke, and for me this is the first real sign that perhaps Bolton has started coaching the team for the wrong reasons (i.e. winning today, at the expense of tomorrow).
This is a warning sign for me. He is starting to switch to self preservation mode. I don't like it, and Id much rather we find out about Polson and JSOS this season and their ability to make an impact at AFL level, rather than gamble on a bloke like Fasolo (who mucked up and has a point to prove) and Gibbons (who has a bit more time up his sleeves).
You can't blame BB for wanting to get a few wins to increase his chance of survival. The system is what it is and coaches who don't produce a winning team within the tolerance limit don't last.
I think JSOS does this as well as Fasolo, but brings an actual ability to play another role, is similarly paced, and cracks in harder (at this stage) to contests. His biggest issue is that he goes to ground too easily, and I think he has worked on that during the off season.
Gibbo vs Polson is another 50-50 in which I think Polson probably should get the priority. Gibbo is fine as a VFL - AFL convert, and his next step is to continue finding the pace and a role at AFL level which seems to be the only criteria to which he should get a game ahead of Polson. BUT Polson appeared to be finding his feet at AFL level towards the end of last season, showed some decent signs in the JLT re stopping a bloke like Saad, and also doing a job against the Pies.
We have possibly broken his confidence a little bit, in an effort to integrate a new bloke, and for me this is the first real sign that perhaps Bolton has started coaching the team for the wrong reasons (i.e. winning today, at the expense of tomorrow).
This is a warning sign for me. He is starting to switch to self preservation mode. I don't like it, and Id much rather we find out about Polson and JSOS this season and their ability to make an impact at AFL level, rather than gamble on a bloke like Fasolo (who mucked up and has a point to prove) and Gibbons (who has a bit more time up his sleeves).
Gibbons is a more talented and smarter player than Polson IMO..the latter has trouble with the basics and is a clangar merchant, we need to kick more goals and win more games and Gibbons is going to be more able to do that more than Polson IMO.
Bolton needs wins or the pressure will mount, hiding behind development wont work for much longer and the media scribes will start looking at the list, game plans etc...drop games to teams like Gold Coast, StKilda etc and and the supporters along with media will turn very quickly..
We need to become more aggressive, attacking and prove we are at stage 2...6 on 6 down back and up front means we have the ability to score more if we are good enough and cant stack the backline anymore and it will sort out a few things including Bolton as a tactician as well as test our players with more one on ones....
Ed Curnows, Polsons who are one trick ponies with dodgy skills will become redundant as stoppages, clearances become more clean and skillful players will have more time and space to operate in...
Gutless, low brow behaviour that also makes the game ugly as sin. Should be banned.
Cameron Mooney is urging Geelong to use the same tactics against Melbourne. Hopefully that will have the umpires on the alert for off the ball rough stuff.
Cameron Mooney is urging Geelong to use the same tactics against Melbourne. Hopefully that will have the umpires on the alert for off the ball rough stuff.
It's a tactic that, up until now, seems to be only used rarely. We tried it on Gaz Ablett last season or the one before, but since then I've not noticed it too much. I hope to live long enough to see it wiped from footy for ever.
Gibbons is a more talented and smarter player than Polson IMO..the latter has trouble with the basics and is a clangar merchant, we need to kick more goals and win more games and Gibbons is going to be more able to do that more than Polson IMO.
Bolton needs wins or the pressure will mount, hiding behind development wont work for much longer and the media scribes will start looking at the list, game plans etc...drop games to teams like Gold Coast, StKilda etc and and the supporters along with media will turn very quickly..
We need to become more aggressive, attacking and prove we are at stage 2...6 on 6 down back and up front means we have the ability to score more if we are good enough and cant stack the backline anymore and it will sort out a few things including Bolton as a tactician as well as test our players with more one on ones....
Ed Curnows, Polsons who are one trick ponies with dodgy skills will become redundant as stoppages, clearances become more clean and skillful players will have more time and space to operate in...
And there you have it. Succinctly put, EB1 Old Son.
Is it me or do our ruckman (all of them) seem to have little (close to zero) impact outside of stoppages?
Just reading through the thread so forgive the late reply to this one...
I thought Phillips was pretty good around the ground in the JLT games. He took some good marks and kicked a few goals from memory.
Is it me or do our ruckman (all of them) seem to have little (close to zero) impact outside of stoppages?
SpecialK has heaps of impact, but it's his 1%ers and physical presence that allows people around him to win the football. The shepherds, the bumps and work he puts into blocking or making space that creates time and space for opponents but doesn't get him the credit he deserves from fans.
If fans spend some time watching opponents chase him around the ground instead ball watching they will get it! The real football happens well before the ball arrives, it's always been that way wit the better players and it's a major reason why some fans don't get players like sMurph and Gibbs yet their peers do!
SpecialK has heaps of impact, but it's his 1%ers and physical presence that allows people around him to win the football. The shepherds, the bumps and work he puts into blocking or making space that creates time and space for opponents but doesn't get him the credit he deserves from fans.
If fans spend some time watching opponents chase him around the ground instead ball watching they will get it! The real football happens well before the ball arrives, it's always been that way wit the better players and it's a major reason why some fans don't get players like sMurph and Gibbs yet their peers do!
Sorry, I agree largely with what you have said re Special K but i recall his early years, he kicked a few goals and could take a grab - you rarely see that these days. Hopefully, in 2019, he'll prove me wrong!
Sorry, I agree largely with what you have said re Special K but i recall his early years, he kicked a few goals and could take a grab - you rarely see that these days. Hopefully, in 2019, he'll prove me wrong!
I accept your desire but I don't expect it to happen.
If SpecialK is deep inside F50 flying against McKay, McGovern or Charlie(Not forgetting Cripps) we've got a problem. If we are not playing the three KPFs together then yes, I accept in the absence of any one of them we need a ruck to make an effort to press forward.
To me over the last year or so a big absence has been the loss of attacking run from Macreadie and Williamson. Their absence along with Docs injury has been huge, we just don't have many natural HBFs that want to hit the scoreboard. Their replacements are too focussed on staying close to D50. Even perhaps the loss of Jammo has had some effect because he often pressed well up the field in a way Jones or Weitering don't. I'd love to see Weitering, who is an elite kick, freed up to press forward of center more often. I think when we anchor Weitering at FB and let guys like Marchbank or Plowman press forward we are the losers! We need to find ways to hit the scoreboard from outside F50, that will cause opposition zones to spread and everything becomes easier. Goal or point defenders are never happy seeing the ball sail over their head at goal.
Long term, in another season or two, McKay will be significantly better at handling body defenders. At the moment relative midgets can spoil his marking attempts, it's something that should never happen when a guy his size has front position. Size relative, I think young SoJ is a much stronger mark than McKay, so I hope SoJ keeps working with the sprint coaches, it's obvious the positive effect they have had on Cripps.
No one suggested Matty K or any other ruckman fly against our three tall forwards!
That is not to say a ruckman can't push forward - at an opportune time _ and present another marking option?
No one suggested Matty K or any other ruckman fly against our three tall forwards!
That is not to say a ruckman can't push forward - at an opportune time _ and present another marking option?
What is the appropriate time, given they are rucking(whoever it is) while McKay, McGovern, Charlie or Cripps isn't?
Would we then complain about the opposition defence easily running the ball out of our F50?
The request sounds so easy, the execution is almost impossible without interfering with each other's space. Let's say the rucks push forward but they have dragged their opponent forward, then we don't kick it to them, we've just added a very effective opponent to compete with our F50 talls.
It seems to me the major problem is more likely to be midfield decision making and skills rather than who is the target! I appreciate it could be a coaching problem, do players naturally behave predictably? Which is why I mentioned Macreadie, Williamson, Doc and Weitering in the earlier post.
When Nankervis pushed forward against us and received the footy, I appreciate he has to do that to be an option, but is his getting the footy the result of his actions or is it the decision making of the Nthmond defenders and mids streaming forward to use the loose option?
I've spent years watching our mids and defenders stream forward and predictably kick the ball on the head of Betts or Garlett types outnumbered by talls, while ignoring better loose options, and that behaviour hasn't changed in recent times. I also watched on last Thursday only to see Nthmond KPDs punch the ball clear to Nthmond small defenders with an almost complete absence of Carlton small forwards. Thank-you whoever set that up!
Sorry, I agree largely with what you have said re Special K but i recall his early years, he kicked a few goals and could take a grab - you rarely see that these days. Hopefully, in 2019, he'll prove me wrong!
12 goals in 2017 is Kreuzer's third highest total (he kicked 13 in 2008 and 2009 when he spent more time forward). He also got his second highest tally of marks (69) in 2017 (73 in 2009) and his highest number of tackles (107) by some margin. If anything, Kreuzer was a more complete player in 2017 than he has ever been and 2018 was shaping up the same way.
I like Phillips but he needs to either get a bit more physical or bring something else to the plate otherwise he has no future.
Thought Kreuzer looked the best he ever looked in round 1 last year before he broke down.
12 goals in 2017 is Kreuzer's third highest total (he kicked 13 in 2008 and 2009 when he spent more time forward). He also got his second highest tally of marks (69) in 2017 (73 in 2009) and his highest number of tackles (107) by some margin. If anything, Kreuzer was a more complete player in 2017 than he has ever been and 2018 was shaping up the same way.
There you go. 2017 seems a distant memory and I too hope Matthew can get back to his best. He certainly is a barometer of the team's performance it seems....
I thought we should have had a crack at Preuss in the off season, but alas....
To digress -Matt Owies. Could he be r small lock down defender? AlA jAYDEN Post?
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=15&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=4110&pid2=6604&fid1=C&fid2=C
Umpires will be all over Port this week, a smart coaching panel would take advantage of that! ;)
I just hope our blokes dont take it to the extreme and stage for frees, don't know what I like less, staging or thugs behind play.
In Polson
Out Cunningham (inj)
Have to question Cunningham's long term ability....ALWAYS injured. Between him and Marchbank they keep the medical staff flat out.
In Polson
Out Cunningham (inj)
The little champ is back.
Wonder what effect he can have with his 7 possessions this week. ::)
So Andrew Russell forgot to mention that one in his injury report?!?
Have to question Cunningham's long term ability....ALWAYS injured. Between him and Marchbank they keep the medical staff flat out.
do we know what the issue is?
Ed back to the middle and Polson to apply forward pressure.
Have to question Cunningham's long term ability....ALWAYS injured. Between him and Marchbank they keep the medical staff flat out.
Fair, point he was showing something early, but if he can't stay on the park, it will create doubt soon surely
Cunningham into his 4th season and has played 17 games in total. Club website saying a collision injury at training and likely to miss 3 weeks.
Aaaaaaaaaargh
Ed back to the middle and Polson to apply forward pressure.
Ed back to the middle is a no brainer...tagging is his game, can pick up Rockliff who had 40 possies last week vs the Dees.
Most of Polson's pressure is usually applied to his teammates on the rare occasions he actually touches the ball....
Should have Byrne Jones as his opponent, the other Port defenders are all 187cm plus......
The little champ is back.
Wonder what effect he can have with his 7 possessions this week. ::)
Forget about how many touches he gets, Ed had 25 touches last week and did nothing with them apart from stuff them up.
Watch how many times he hurries the kicker, or takes them down altogether.
Watch how many times that hurried kicker end up kicking a ball that is intercepted by us.
Its the pressure he creates, both real and perceived that benefits the side, not his possessions.
Forget about how many touches he gets, Ed had 25 touches last week and did nothing with them apart from stuff them up.
Watch how many times he hurries the kicker, or takes them down altogether.
Watch how many times that hurried kicker end up kicking a ball that is intercepted by us.
Its the pressure he creates, both real and perceived that benefits the side, not his possessions.
What form has Polson showed to be back in this week??
I prefer a small forward who actually has some decent skill level, can kick goals, crumb the ball and its all real rather than perceived...
He is very lucky that Bolton has adopted him as his teachers pet because he would be the only player in the comp getting a game based on a resume
of providing perceived pressure.....
do we know what the issue is?
Collision at training on Tues, bruised kidney, out for 3 wks.
Oh Good grief ... is that the best we can come up with?
Collision at training on Tues, bruised kidney, out for 3 wks.
Unbelievable.
Forget about how many touches he gets, Ed had 25 touches last week and did nothing with them apart from stuff them up.
Watch how many times he hurries the kicker, or takes them down altogether.
Watch how many times that hurried kicker end up kicking a ball that is intercepted by us.
Its the pressure he creates, both real and perceived that benefits the side, not his possessions.
Yep he applies pressure but do you also notice the amount of times he applies the pressure to his own teammates by butchering the ball when he rarely get it in his hands.
I want to climb the ladder, I’m sick of waiting in this rebuild we need to make a move this year and a player of the quality of Polson getting a game makes me really question how far off the pace we are....if he is all we have on the list to ‘apply pressure’ we are well and truly stuffed.
What he said.
What they said.
Bad luck for Cuningham, particularly as he had carried his solid JLT form into Round 1.
Polson is a good in as we dearly lacked defensive pressure in our half of the ground. Perhaps Polson’s inclusion will enable Gibbons to be used in his more familiar midfield role.
Last couple of games versus snort in Adelaide have been pumpings. I expect us to be better than that. I don't expect to win, but losing by three figures ain't on.
What they said.
I'm having deja vu here.
Seems to me that this is daisy v2.0.
Every man and his dog was saying similar about him.
Teachers pet
Can't kick
Pressure is good but output isn't
Turns the ball over too much
No form worthy of being picked.
Effort means nothing without results
Etc
Daisy managed to turn you all around and get a deserved contract extension... Maybe polson will too. Hopefully it won't take everyone 5 years to wake up to it this time around.
I'm having deja vu here.
Seems to me that this is daisy v2.0.
Every man and his dog was saying similar about him.
Teachers pet
Can't kick
Pressure is good but output isn't
Turns the ball over too much
No form worthy of being picked.
Effort means nothing without results
Etc
Daisy managed to turn you all around and get a deserved contract extension... Maybe polson will too. Hopefully it won't take everyone 5 years to wake up to it this time around.
A very long bow Kruddler ???? but I agree that the criticism of Polson is unfounded. He should have played last week and that would have curtailed a lot of Richmond’s run out of their backline. I think our MC was just a tad over committed to an attacking 22 when a dash of defensive pressure could have decisive.
I'm having deja vu here.
Seems to me that this is daisy v2.0.
Every man and his dog was saying similar about him.
Teachers pet
Can't kick
Pressure is good but output isn't
Turns the ball over too much
No form worthy of being picked.
Effort means nothing without results
Etc
Daisy managed to turn you all around and get a deserved contract extension... Maybe polson will too. Hopefully it won't take everyone 5 years to wake up to it this time around.
Take your point but I think Daisy's main problem was being unfit when he arrived and for a while after and thats why many including myself were not in his fan group......obviously when his fitness improved so did his kicking, turn overs etc.
This the reverse of Polson who is fit but lacks skill, nous and is living off pressure applied to defenders(real and/or perceived)...its also a reflection of where we are at with a few other players...Garlett, LeBois, OBrien, and the injured Lang. If I was Lachie Obrien I would be very embarrassed that Polson was getting a game ahead of me given his lack of finesse/skill and its all because Pick 10 Obrien isnt perceived as an effort player IMO....
If Polson's only getting a game because he's 'Bolton's Pet' then we need a new coach.
Surely there's more to it.
If Polson's only getting a game because he's 'Bolton's Pet' then we need a new coach.
Surely there's more to it.
He obviously plays his role.
He obviously plays his role.
That's my thinking...and the match committee must believe that role is important enough for it to be a part of the 22 players selected.
If Polson's only getting a game because he's 'Bolton's Pet' then we need a new coach.
Surely there's more to it.
Do folk really think that any player would be selected because the coach likes them?
I would like to see Polson make more of his opportunities but that’s not the role assigned to him. If you forget about largely inconsequential statistics and watch the pressure Polson applies to opposition defenders, his place in the 22 is a no brainer. He would have been a much better option last week than the largely ineffectual Fasolo and Gibbons.
That's my thinking...and the match committee must believe that role is important enough for it to be a part of the 22 players selected.
Had 8 possies in the 1st JLT game with 4 Clangars/4 tackles DE 62%
Had 10 possies in the 2nd JLT game with 1 Clangar/1 tackle DE 60%
Polson's family must be the Match Committee.....
Had 8 possies in the 1st JLT game with 4 Clangars/4 tackles DE 62%
Had 10 possies in the 2nd JLT game with 1 Clangar/1 tackle DE 60%
Polson's family must be the Match Committee.....
Forget the stats EB and watch the pressure and perceived pressure that Polson applies to the opposition defenders.
Forget the stats EB and watch the pressure and perceived pressure that Polson applies to the opposition defenders.
Successful teams don’t play tiny forwards who’s one trick is running around applying perceived pressure. I mean come on guys - justifying this guy because of pressure alone is absolute rubbish talk. We are the bloody bottom team and this guy has no clue what to do when the ball rately lands in his lap and yet we should play him because of perceived pressure! Gee whizz that’s setting the bar right on the floor isn’t it.
Sorry but this rebuild is in the 4th year and my patience like many others is wearing very thin. We are coming off another spoon so I’m over being optimistic - these days I’m calling it as I see it and the decision to keep persisting with the type of player like Polson really makes me wonder if Bolton is the man we need at the stage we are at.
Successful teams don’t play tiny forwards who’s one trick is running around applying perceived pressure. I mean come on guys - justifying this guy because of pressure alone is absolute rubbish talk. We are the bloody bottom team and this guy has no clue what to do when the ball rately lands in his lap and yet we should play him because of perceived pressure! Gee whizz that’s setting the bar right on the floor isn’t it.
Sorry but this rebuild is in the 4th year and my patience like many others is wearing very thin. We are coming off another spoon so I’m over being optimistic - these days I’m calling it as I see it and the decision to keep persisting with the type of player like Polson really makes me wonder if Bolton is the man we need at the stage we are at.
That probably sums it up.
There are some of us who believe that Polson is in the side to play a role and that he does it well enough to be included.
Others of us question the wisdom of continually playing a bloke who doesn't seem up to it.
That leaves us with two possibilities
Either the Coach/ Match Committee have no clue in which case they need to go.
or
They're a bit smarter than us and see something we don't appreciate in having Polson in the 22 ahead of any other player
Looked like played alright for a while last week. Then I saw the tripe Richmond served up tonight. Suppose every week is different.
Successful teams don’t play tiny forwards who’s one trick is running around applying perceived pressure. I mean come on guys - justifying this guy because of pressure alone is absolute rubbish talk. We are the bloody bottom team and this guy has no clue what to do when the ball rately lands in his lap and yet we should play him because of perceived pressure! Gee whizz that’s setting the bar right on the floor isn’t it.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
You know how every team against us just sweep the ball out of defence all the way down the ground for easy goals? That's due to a lack of forward pressure.
Notice how we struggle to bring it out of the back line and our guys are always under the pump and just hacking it out of there? That's because the other team are pressuring us.
That leaves us with two possibilities
Either the Coach/ Match Committee have no clue in which case they need to go.
or
They're a bit smarter than us and see something we don't appreciate in having Polson in the 22 ahead of any other player
I'd lean to the former...coupled with the fact guys like Lang/Kennedy are injured....
That probably sums it up.
There are some of us who believe that Polson is in the side to play a role and that he does it well enough to be included.
Others of us question the wisdom of continually playing a bloke who doesn't seem up to it.
That leaves us with two possibilities
Either the Coach/ Match Committee have no clue in which case they need to go.
or
They're a bit smarter than us and see something we don't appreciate in having Polson in the 22 ahead of any other player
I suspect it is no more complicated than 'quick over the grass' replaces another 'quick over the grass'. Problem with Polson is, what happens when he gets the aggott... Cuningham's disposal is generally very good and he's dangerous around goal.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
You know how every team against us just sweep the ball out of defence all the way down the ground for easy goals? That's due to a lack of forward pressure.
Notice how we struggle to bring it out of the back line and our guys are always under the pump and just hacking it out of there? That's because the other team are pressuring us.
One small little bloke ain't going to change that equation MBB....
Bad bad turnovers cost up repeatedly...fix that we'll beat anyone on our day.
Wonder if Faz would have been retained if Cunners wasn't injured or would he have been replaced by Poulson? Strikes me also that Cunners is a different type of player to Poulson so we have apparently tried to improve our forward pressure by bring him in.
One small little bloke ain't going to change that equation MBB....
Bad bad turnovers cost up repeatedly...fix that we'll beat anyone on our day.
Yes and No.
Insert Paul Puopolo, Hawthorn go to 4 grand finals in a row winning 3 of them (they lost one to Sydney).
Im also reminded of the 2008 grand final.
Cyril wasn't a spectacular player in that one, but I remember he did something in that game that turned the momentum in a large way with some repeat efforts on the wing.
His stats that day:
6 kicks, 4 handballs, 2 goals, 3 tackles, 2 clangers.
https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2016-09-28/grand-final-moments-17
2015 grand final: https://www.hawthornfc.com.au/video/2016-03-17/grand-final-recall-cyril-tackle
Look at how his teamates talk about a run down. The look on their faces as they watch the video. The way Hodge talks about bringing the crowd into it.
Mitch Robinson used to do a bit of this for us. He was a tool. Polson isnt. He just rushes his disposal.
Remember round 23 against Adelaide?
No one cared. This bloke tried his guts out. A team like ours has been bottom for a long time, because efforts like this are completely disregarded unless its a gun doing it.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-08-27/hard-hit-of-the-week-round-23
Turnovers and lack of forward pressure are both huge problems, and have been for a while.
It sometimes only takes one small bloke to set the standard.
If that pressure is lacking it might just need those one or two pressure acts for the players around to think..."gee if that little fellow can do that maybe I need to pull my socks up."
Maybe the small player's individual efforts don't have a significant impact on the contest but it could be that those efforts are infectious and lift those around him to higher standard in terms of pressure.
The question then becomes..."Is a player worth a spot for that role?"
Bring three of those ever week and the answer is yes.
It's been covered, but another meh game from Fazzy boy and he's gone.
It sometimes only takes one small bloke to set the standard.
If that pressure is lacking it might just need those one or two pressure acts for the players around to think..."gee if that little fellow can do that maybe I need to pull my socks up."
Maybe the small player's individual efforts don't have a significant impact on the contest but it could be that those efforts are infectious and lift those around him to higher standard in terms of pressure.
The question then becomes..."Is a player worth as spot for that role?"
Yep.
Not to mention the opposition also start wondering if they are going to get clobbered and start to doubt how easy it will go.
I've got a nagging feeling Lang is going to be another dud that Geelong have offloaded onto us (see Smedts).
And said it last year after watching plenty of games that O'Brien played.....pick 10 might be one we look back on as one that bites us on the bum down the track. Only young so have to give him a chance but some of his decision making and skill level last year was terrible yet he continually got games. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but we could've had Tim Kelly on a platter at pick 10. The club was into him and genuinely thought he'd be still around the mark when our next pick (around 30ish) was up....think we took TDK with it.
Lots of for/against re Polson but just hope he doesn't turn out like Kerridge or Graham etc.....getting games because there's no one else to pick. Matthew Kennedy needs to get fit and find some form to justify trading him in as support for Cripps.
Matthew Kennedy needs to get fit and find some form to justify trading him in as support for Cripps.
I think Setterfield has taken that role. That's the one we wanted and were surprised we could get. They rated him ahead of SPS in the draft year, very glad we got him now. kennedy looks a bit slow when I have seen him, but to be fair he hasn't had much of a run at it.
Lang will struggle to cement a place for himself, I think SPS, Walsh, Dow, and Setterfield with an improving Cunningham will make it tough. Lang and Kennedy will be fighting it out for that last place. If the aforementioned come on as expected, I can't see Kennedy or Lang as more than depth.
I think Kennedy can be better than that, just needs to get his body right. He did play about 15 games in a very strong GWS team a couple of years ago
I think Setterfield has taken that role. That's the one we wanted and were surprised we could get. They rated him ahead of SPS in the draft year, very glad we got him now. kennedy looks a bit slow when I have seen him, but to be fair he hasn't had much of a run at it.
Lang will struggle to cement a place for himself, I think SPS, Walsh, Dow, and Setterfield with an improving Cunningham will make it tough. Lang and Kennedy will be fighting it out for that last place. If the aforementioned come on as expected, I can't see Kennedy or Lang as more than depth.
Depth is good. Look at the Filth. They need too find room in last nights team for Adams, Hoskin Elliot, Wells and one other (I think) that the names escapes me.
Hard to see how Wells gets a game with the lineup they've got now. When they recruited him they wouldn't have factored in getting Beams back. I think we'd like Kennedy to be that bigger bodied midfielder type so that Cripps can go forward from time to time....Setterfield looks more like a taller outside player and showed some good signs last week...reckon he'll be a very good pickup for us.
Depth is good. Look at the Filth. They need too find room in last nights team for Adams, Hoskin Elliot, Wells and one other (I think) that the names escapes me.
Scharenberg, Reid, Broomhead. All handy players.
The upside of having depth is clear. The downside is that you must strike while the iron is hot, because good players who are constantly knocking on the door and not being selected will leave soon enough.
I think Kennedy can be better than that, just needs to get his body right. He did play about 15 games in a very strong GWS team a couple of years ago
He was looking considerable leaner post this preseason....he's another terrier Jack needs to work his magic with....
Take your point but I think Daisy's main problem was being unfit when he arrived and for a while after and thats why many including myself were not in his fan group......obviously when his fitness improved so did his kicking, turn overs etc.
This the reverse of Polson who is fit but lacks skill, nous and is living off pressure applied to defenders(real and/or perceived)...its also a reflection of where we are at with a few other players...Garlett, LeBois, OBrien, and the injured Lang. If I was Lachie Obrien I would be very embarrassed that Polson was getting a game ahead of me given his lack of finesse/skill and its all because Pick 10 Obrien isnt perceived as an effort player IMO....
Reverse, yes and no.
Different problem, kinda.
Daisys problem was he was unfit and injured.
Polsons problem is he isn't AFL fit yet. People forget he's only had a couple pre-seasons and was coming from a long way back as he was a low draft pick to begin with.
When Polsons fitness/body/brain catches up, he'll be a better player.
But, like Daisy, you give effort, you set the standard, you will be rewarded.
Other side of the same coin, if you don't give effort, you can play in the 2's.
I think Setterfield has taken that role. That's the one we wanted and were surprised we could get. They rated him ahead of SPS in the draft year, very glad we got him now. kennedy looks a bit slow when I have seen him, but to be fair he hasn't had much of a run at it.
Lang will struggle to cement a place for himself, I think SPS, Walsh, Dow, and Setterfield with an improving Cunningham will make it tough. Lang and Kennedy will be fighting it out for that last place. If the aforementioned come on as expected, I can't see Kennedy or Lang as more than depth.
Murphy, daisy, Simpson and ed curnow all on borrowed time. These guys will hang around a while longer yet.
s There's plenty of dead weight to cut through and keep these guys around.
I think Kennedy can be better than that, just needs to get his body right. He did play about 15 games in a very strong GWS team a couple of years ago
The excuses start to run very thin with Kennedy. He played very poorly in the first practice match and got dropped to the 2s for the JLT then got injured yet again.
He's still young enough and could very easily turn out to be a good player but he's a lot further away from it than he should be right now.
Originally taken with the pick immediately after Charlie Curnow.
But maybe he's a Josh Caddy type finding his feet as an AFL player at 26.