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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 4: Carlton vs ???
our biggest problem over the last few years (regardless of talent) is bringing the heat week after week, especially after a good win.  it's all about mentality, and the best teams are mental.  there will come a turning point at some stage during our lifetimes, and I hope it's now...

winning breeds confidence, and confidence brings wins.  looking forward to this one.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong
Quote from: Professer E on
Another very average game of boring modern footy.  Just can't out my finger on what's wrong with GWS.   They have so many awesome individual players,  but they just don't seem to be a connected unit. They played very dumb footy tonight, movement was so slow and unfocused I thought it was us for a while.

GWS were shizen for sure.  I thought the way the doggies played was very watchable.  Wish we played a bit more like they did last night.

And as for my prediction against the cats - we will win!  Ever the optimist, I believe our turnaround is just around the corner.  We are fit enough for sure, and we have enough talent around the ground, there's just something lacking between then ears.  IF we play with the same intensity as the doggies did, we'll give the cats a real shake.  Bring the intensity lads, that's really all I'm asking. 

I think everyone would agree, regardless of things like honorable losses sucking balls, and winning being everything, if both teams turn up and play their hearts out, and we lose by a kick or two, i'd be happy enough.  If the cats are down, and we slack off for a quarter or two and lose by a kick i'll be demoralised, as per usual.  if we get absolutely smacked it will be very, very worrying indeed, considering how much emphasis we should be placing on competing hard this week.  
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Quote from: PaulP on
Your belief in the one man / great leader theory is one that I simply do not share. This difference of opinion is what caused our big blue on the senior coach issue, and I see little value in returning to the scene of the crime. Trump, Biden, Obama etc. have as much power as they're allowed to have, and whilst I'm not suggesting that Trump has no power or that he's harmless, I stand by my original statement - his power is not nearly as great as the corporate right wing oligarchs who really run the show.

Trump is not Machiavellian - he has no ideology except narcissism. He's not dumb, but he's a undisciplined, blatant, loose cannon, and has amazingly convinced the US population that he's an outsider just like them. The office of President means nothing to him IMO, which is why he treats it like trash.

I tend to agree on this one with you Pauly, although we've had the odd disagreement before on the footy.  From my understanding (have been taking a real interest in US politics and social issues for a few years now, but never been there), the system itself is screwed.  It would take a person of monumental talent and charisma to even make a small positive impression on the US political system.  Money is far too deeply embedded in every aspect of it.  Campaign money at all levels of government comes from big business, wealthy families, and special interest pressure groups, and they don't give for no reason.  They give because they expect their interests to be looked after.  A very rich person can use his/her own money to run for president and personally avoid those interests, but the president is only one person, the rest of the corrupt system is running the same way it always has. It's running on dirty money, and those in power keep the machine chewing up the masses for the financial benefit of the already rich. 

The people are desperate for a thing they call a 'living wage' - which is to have full time employment and be able to afford the basics to survive.  Many full time workers are classified as living in poverty, all thanks to big business getting tax cuts, and the worker having shizen minimum wage.  And then there's their health care system, where again big insurance companies, wealthy hospitals and docs, and big pharma don't give a crap about anyone who can't afford to pay.  And guns.  Guns, guns, guns.  The NRA doesn't care how many kids die at school. 

They are victims of a system that's been twisted to benefit those in power for generation after generation, and those who have the money and power will do anything to keep it that way because they don't want to get kicked out of the control room of the machine.  Then they'd be fodder themselves. 

Maybe this pandemic will bring these inequities to a head, and maybe some good will end up coming from it.  But don't count on it.  The worse things get the more those in control will protect their own interests.  It will take a proper uprising to make any real change over there I fear.  And that will require a leader who can rally all those crazies with their guns.  I hate to say it, but it will take an orangutan to do it, and he'll only pretend to have his supporters interests at heart...
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
if you're into Michael Moore doco's his latest shines some light on US politics, and he pretty much agrees.  It's not farenheit 9/11, it's farenheit 11/9 this time, for a reason i can't remember.  The system is busted, the parties pretty much cater to those with the most wealth and power.  The parties can and do overturn the popular vote - they only allow party reps they sanction, regardless of what the people want.  the select few pretty much run the show to ensure the select few stay rich.  they're screwed.  i suspect the day will come when they regret allowing the general populace to have so many military weapons in their cupboards.  but i think things will have to get completely horrendous for that to happen.

if you look at dictatorships, and how they get started, it's generally been an uprising by a charismatic leader who cons the masses into fighting for him (on their behalf he says, as he shakes his fist).  perhaps if things turn to poo over there, and Trump is still around, but not in office, he'll con enough of the masses to storm the whitehouse and he'll make himself glorious leader for the rest of his life.  then he can hand the power over to his kids and fulfill his god given destiny (or whatever crazy dream drives him).

I wonder just how close to a meltdown the US is?  It is usually only when the situation is dire that circumstances allow crazy people to take power.  Trump was elected in 2016, so things can't have been great over there already.  Seriously, how did that even happen?  Add some covid fuel to the fire, and some really crazy stuff must be just around the corner. 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
It makes me want to vomit, but Trump will probably win.  His faults as a human being are numerous and grave, but his rat cunning is something else.  And he doesn't care what he destroys along the way.

I watched some 30/30 docos on Kayo (when I had it).  There were heaps of very interesting stories on there, so good that it didn't matter if i was a fan of the sport or knew the athlete at all, just fascinating stuff to watch.  Anyway, one of them was about the USFL, a short lived spring alternative to the NFL (that plays in 'the fall').  Long story short - Trump tried to buy an NFL team but couldn't, so bought a USFL team.  The USFL had carved out a nice niche and was doing well, but Trump wasn't happy being in the spring, it had to be in the fall coz that was the bigger stage.  He stooged enough of the other teams in the USFL to agree they should change to play in the fall and sue the NFL for being a monopoly in the fall comp.  He won the case, and was awarded a dollar, coz the case couldn't prove they'd actually lost anything anyway at that stage, coz they played in the spring so hadn't actually been disadvantaged... Anyway - he bankrupted the USFL, and destroyed the entire comp, and everyone in its livelihood.  His final words were something along the lines of 'it was a crap comp anyway, the fall comp is all that matters, and if it can't be in the fall comp, then stuff it'.  He's an A grade, self centred, selfish, butthole.  The kind of kid that would break your toy just so you couldn't enjoy it.

 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Really quiet around here
Quote from: kruddler on
Lets not kid around here. Gil's motivations, disney related or otherwise, are motivated towards keeping the competition from ceasing to exist.

Make no mistake, players want to play.
Fans want to watch.
The media want footy back to broadcast/write about.

Gil is ultimately in charge, sure, but its not like he is trying to do his own thing. Everyone wants this, he is simply trying to make it happen.

i tend to agree. 

and if we can get a 17 game season where every team plays each other once, then that's about as fair as it's ever going to be, and the premiership stands if you ask me.

anything less, and i find it hard to call it a season and a flag.  there can still be incentive though.  call it the covid cup or whateva, and put up nice cash prizes for the winningest clubs, and you watch them go for it.   as for the draft order in such circumstances, perhaps combine the results from 2019 and 2020 to get a draft order.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Quote from: Professer E on
"Stay home" I'm told.... Stay home. Seems the rules apply differently to different people...

Yet some bodgy property developer can pour a series of slabs at 530 on a Saturday morning in the middle of town.   Social distancing.... Doesn't apply to me mate this is a site.  I wonder if these cretins are the kind who'll be first in line for care?

I don't care what level they're at - state,  federal or local - our elected representatives are all worthless and ineffectual.  Why should anybody pay attention to any of them?

We should listen because if everybody listened and simply followed the rules we will at the very least slow the thing down, hopefully at minimum to the point the health system can cope.  I don't envy anyone in power who has to make these decisions, especially knowing if the punters simply listened and acted accordingly, those decisions would probably be effective. 

I'm not an economist or a business leader, or a health official.  We should listen to them and ensure we do the minimum asked of us.  And if we are in a position to do more, then we should.  I have always been able to work from home, so took my kids out of school a couple of weeks ago.  Personally, I think the schools should only remain open for those who need to work and don't have any other option but to send their kids to school.

These decisions being made are terrible, terrible things to be responsible for.  I vote for going harder earlier.  But I haven't spent the last x number of years building a business and have to watch it evaporate in front of my eyes. 

If all us regular Joe's followed the rules, the measures would probably work.  The pollies should probably remember that people are idiots.  Not us of course, just everyone else.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: CV and mad panic behaviour
Quote from: kruddler on
Speaking of all this social pressure...
My youngest had a sniffle the other day, so i had to stay home from work because if i sent him in, i'd get a call to come get him because he might have Corona.

That night i started getting a sore throat, by morning i had it in the ears as well. So i told the boss that i wouldn't be coming in.
Same thing for today....he said just stay home until i'm better.

If it wasn't for all this panic, i would've gone into work and not even mentioned it.

Now, tomorrow is my brothers wedding. He has had to ring guests and tell him they are no longer allowed to come because the number of people has to be under 100....including staff. That is such a sucky thing to have to do.
If i turn up and people find out i'm sick, then there will be plenty of disapproving looks.
If i don't turn up, i'll forever hear about it...not from my brother, but the extended family.

Social pressure is making me want to miss my brothers wedding!

How would you guys feel if you were in my position?
How would you guys feel if you were another guest at the wedding?

Depends how paranoid you are.  The number of cases with unknown sources is already climbing, so it's out in the general public already.  Asymptomatic transmission is almost certainly days before anyone knows they've got it.  If your brothers wedding was in 1-2 weeks time it would be outright cancelled.

I have the ability to work from home so am doing so, and took my kids out of school because I could do so.  I go out when I need to, and try to avoid busy times, and take precautions.  A mate I haven't seen for a few years was going to come down next weekend, and yesterday I said we'd cancel it for now.   I was particularly looking fwd to catching up with him too.  He thinks I'm mad.

My feeling on the whole thing - not everyone can do what I am able to do - but those who can - should.  The less people get sick at once the better the chances for those who do get sick and need hospital care.  It's the sudden rush of cases and overload on the health system that will do the most damage in terms of lives lost.

I hope I'm just being paranoid.