Will it be a wake for a disaster, or a party to celebrate a triumph. I know which way I would bet at this time.
Party indeed!
I was so worried that we'd have another wake. Instead a win to remember!
Casboult may have played his last game in navy blue.
Harry and Charlie should be played from here on out. Working well together.
Good spread from the boys today.
Hopefully Charlie Curnow and Jacob Weitering are OK. I'd hate for a win to cost us those two.
We do better than Collingwood. We can beat sides above us on the ladder...lol.
We do better than Collingwood. We can beat sides above us on the ladder...lol.
All our wins have come against sides above us on the ladder!
All our wins have come against sides above us on the ladder!
Indeed!
We do better than Collingwood. We can beat sides above us on the ladder...lol.
Like it. I'll drink to that.
A 7 goal qtr, 10 individual goalkickers, forgot what that was like. If that's what's it's like, give me more.
Nice ball movement in Q2 and Q3 won us that game
Great to hear the song.......kudos to Weitering for his attack on the ball with May...thats what wins games and what I want to see...well done JW.
Excellent win, just what we needed. Well done boys!
Dow was the best I've seen him play so far and so probably was SPS. Very encouraging. Kennedy looked pretty good too.
Weitering and Charlie look like they'll be OK.
Nice ball movement in Q2 and Q3 won us that game
Drug testing required.
We stopped fulffing around with the ball on the back half.... and kapow.
A win.
Great to hear the song.......kudos to Weitering for his attack on the ball with May...that's what wins games and what I want to see...well done JW.
Agree - showed guts.
Great to hear the song.......kudos to Weitering for his attack on the ball with May...thats what wins games and what I want to see...well done JW.
i think it will give JW the world of confidence. May is as tough as they come. Handle him, the rest is easy.
And i hope the injury is minor!
So so rapt. Boy did we need it.
The really pleasing part was we won playing a decent brand of footy. Some really good hit up passes inside 50 in the 3rd. Haven’t seen that all year.
While Murphy was very good it was mainly the younger guys that did the jo.
Cripps, Weitering, SPS, Charlie, Dow, Marchbank and O’Brien were all very good.
Oh and how good was Dows goal. Was Judd like.
Go blues!
Nice ball movement in Q2 and Q3 won us that game
You mean, when we ditched the zone and started playing man on man? Yeah, funny that.
Take note Bolts.
Nice ball movement in Q2 and Q3 won us that game
Work rate from all and losing the zone helped
You mean, when we ditched the zone and started playing man on man? Yeah, funny that.
Take note Bolts.
Yep....lucky the conditions were better suited to man on man and it really did help keep the game simple and avoid thinking about what patch of grass I need to be protecting.
Think the zone can be shelved....
You mean, when we ditched the zone and started playing man on man? Yeah, funny that.
Take note Bolts.
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CARNA BAGGERS!!!
Congratulations young Blues.
Congratulations NB's
Congratulations VFLW
trifecta- funny how it goes like that eh?
Yep....lucky the conditions were better suited to man on man and it really did help keep the game simple and avoid thinking about what patch of grass I need to be protecting.
Think the zone can be shelved....
A good result for us.
I think Stuart Dew showed his lack of coaching experience!
Weitering gave the thumbs up and was out on the Park with a heavily strapped leg at the end of the game, and I saw him mouth it's ok.
Bloody terrific. He finally started looking like the kid we drafted again the last month and I was worried he'd go back into his shell again but clearing injury is a big win.
Much better minus Liam Jones too.
Can we sign up cripps every week? Big results for all Carlton teams this weekend.
I think Stuart Dew showed his lack of coaching experience!
He shows plenty of guts!! Not a great role model for his young chargers.
Interesting to hear Charlie Curnow’s post game comments about Bolts, “He’s a really good coach!”
Of course, what would Charlie know and he was obviously parroting the party line despite the euphoria of a win on the road and against the odds :)
The standout moment for me was when Harry gathered the ball on the wing, burnt off his opponent and dribbled a goal ... after the siren. He is going to be matchwinner, if we can nurture his development and foster good understanding between him and Charlie.
I haven’t really been convinced about Lamb but I think that giving him a role in defence may have prolonged his career. He’s not a natural defender but he is growing into the role.
Byrne was good, and I suspect that I underrated his importance to the team. Hopefully he can stay on the park.
I know that some folk aren’t convinced about Polson but I reckon he is a cracker. He may need to refine his craft but his attack on the footy and/or an opponent is great.
Our young blokes - Samo, Weitering, Marchbank, Dow, O’Brien, Pickett, McKay and Silvagni - did well and Lang, Kennedy and Lobbe had good games. Perhaps SOS knows more about developing a list than his critics :-\
Critics of Bolton’s coaching may like to concede that he did a reasonable job tonight :)
A good result for us.
I think Stuart Dew showed his lack of coaching experience!
Did beat the Swans the previous week, probably glad he didnt move May forward until the end of the game....else we might not have many fit players for next week the way he kept cleaning our blokes up.
GC without Lynch look very ordinary, they lack real stars and it was clear that Cripps was a unstoppable force around the ball even though Witts had 60 hitouts...going to be a long few years for the GC unless they get some academy stars coming through and the AFL helping them...
Think Stewy Dew showed his lack of exercise and decent diet.......had a bit of trouble getting out of the coaches box did the big fella and needs a decent preseason on the training track....
:) very good footy light at the end of tunnel getting bigger
Interesting to hear Charlie Curnow’s post game comments about Bolts, “He’s a really good coach!”
Of course, what would Charlie know and he was obviously parroting the party line despite the euphoria of a win on the road and against the odds :)
The standout moment for me was when Harry gathered the ball on the wing, burnt off his opponent and dribbled a goal ... after the siren. He is going to be matchwinner, if we can nurture his development and foster good understanding between him and Charlie.
I haven’t really been convinced about Lamb but I think that giving him a role in defence may have prolonged his career. He’s not a natural defender but he is growing into the role.
Byrne was good, and I suspect that I underrated his importance to the team. Hopefully he can stay on the park.
I know that some folk aren’t convinced about Polson but I reckon he is a cracker. He may need to refine his craft but his attack on the footy and/or an opponent is great.
Our young blokes - Samo, Weitering, Marchbank, Dow, O’Brien, Pickett, McKay and Silvagni - did well and Lang, Kennedy and Lobbe had good games. Perhaps SOS knows more about developing a list than his critics :-\
Critics of Bolton’s coaching may like to concede that he did a reasonable job tonight :)
Some decent bait thrown out there DJ..I'll have a nibble.. ;)
Thought the conditions helped us tonight forcing a man on man game and removing Boltons zone from the equation.....
Play of the night was Weitering attack on the ball with May crashing through......thats the old Weitering back in town who impressed in his first season, worth more than 30 possies that piece of play, as I said earlier thats what wins big games and tells the opposition you mean business...well done JW.
re: Polson.....not convinced and only had a few possies tonight but his team mates seem to like him so I'll refrain from critiquing his game on such a good winning evening..
SPS...probably his best game in terms of impact and ball use....
Agree on Harry..not big numbers but looks the goods and has good skills for a big bloke, begs the question why he wasnt played earlier.....
Marchbank.....one of his best games IMO, low on errors and was solid and reliable.....
Byrne..yep, showed same dash and we looked better with him down back than we have with Mullett, Shaw, OShea down there...
Lobbe....been good IMO....Witts murdered us in the hitouts with 60 but then you look at Lobbe and he had 46?......thats a far nights work and he has that extra bulk that MK and Philips dont seem to have and he really suits our midfield IMO..
Dow was good and had some Judd like moments, like mids who kick goals and he has that burst of pace we lack....
Kennedy...workmanlike....
Pickett..unsighted
Lamb....ok but not really a fan...
Obrien..ok early but faded...
Jack...good team-man is Jack..not many would have seen but he laid a few blocks for Cripps on Lonergan and I paid more attention to that than his possies....handy game.
Lang...used the ball well and seemed to have more time than some of the other players...
I would suggest though that apart from the evil Steven May that GC are one of the softest, less physically intimidating teams going around and have a lot of nice kids who play gentle football in the sun and we wont be getting that type of slack pressure from most of the other teams....but a win is a win and you can only beat the opposition on the ground and it was a good team effort tonight...but I will need a greater sample of work before I anoint BB and SOS as saviour's and that our rebuild is on track...
Did beat the Swans the previous week, probably glad he didnt move May forward until the end of the game....else we might not have many fit players for next week the way he kept cleaning our blokes up.
GC without Lynch look very ordinary, they lack real stars and it was clear that Cripps was a unstoppable force around the ball even though Witts had 60 hitouts...going to be a long few years for the GC unless they get some academy stars coming through and the AFL helping them...
Think Stewy Dew showed his lack of exercise and decent diet.......had a bit of trouble getting out of the coaches box did the big fella and needs a decent preseason on the training track....
I’d like to see how many of Witts’ hitouts were to advantage. Lobbe did pretty well to get 46 hitouts and I reckon Rowe did a good job when he gave Lobbe a chop out.
Dew is one of those people who finds it difficult to maintain a whippet-like physique, even when he was playing in premiership teams. It must be hard to demand discipline from your playing group when you can’t set an example yourself.
I’d like to see how many of Witts’ hitouts were to advantage. Lobbe did pretty well to get 46 hitouts and I reckon Rowe did a good job when he gave Lobbe a chop out.
Dew is one of those people who finds it difficult to maintain a whippet-like physique, even when he was p,laying in premiership teams. It must be hard to demand discipline from your playing group when you can’t set an example yourself.
Yep remember when Clarko recruited him to the Hawks....
very unfit and only good for 20 mins of a game but as that GF showed he only needed 20 mins to change the game.......agree not a great look for the playing group and needs some work with the fitness staff...
Agree on Lobbe...gave him a vote....just think his big frame suits our smaller bodied mids and he seems to fill space and make life awkward for his opponents....
Cripps should be right, looked a legit tackle, but Chuck might score a hefty fine for the high arm. May the meathead hit Ed a long time after he disposed of it, has to go for it, although he has been a protected species this year.
Great game from Samo, H, Lang, Byrne (early on in particular), Weiters, Marchy, CC, and Paddy Wow. Patches from LOB and i like Polson's attack. Byrne gave us the speed and accuracy we've lacked IMO. Our backline badly needs that quick run and carry out of defense. Come to think of it - that's a heap of young talent right there.
The usual top shelf performance from Crippa. Well supported by Murphy and grunt from Kennedy. Simmo and Ed worked hard as usual. Hope evil May gets time off for his hits (H, Ed etc).
Lobbe is the pleasant surprise for mine. Competes strongly in the ruck and has a quick response to 2nd efforts. Rowe did a great negating job on 2m after q1, when he got off the lead.
In all a solid 3/4 performance after a slow start. Fantastic that the boys get to celebrate and recover together at the GC. Good bonding opportunity whilst the endorphins are flowing ;)
Wished I'd seen it ... does make you wonder whether the Cripps extension influenced the group to lift
How many times, especially after half time, did we turn the ball over or miss targets?? Makes a $@!tload of difference!
re: Polson.....not convinced and only had a few possies tonight but his team mates seem to like him so I'll refrain from critiquing his game on such a good winning evening..
One of the things that struck me as the team came off the field was the attention Polson was getting from his team-mates.
All smiles, congratulatory and positive.
Now it may just have been because he was about to go into the middle of a very damp huddle for the club song...but I suspect he is popular with the playing group and that may be down to his effort and attack on the ball.
He's a "nearly" player. The things he tries just don't always come off at present. They may never...but give it 12 months and we might see a much better player.
The club has renewed him so they obviously see something there.
Gold Coast...I don't recall seeing a team so poor with their ball handling. Slippery conditions or our pressure it was terrible.
Play of the night was Weitering attack on the ball with May crashing through......thats the old Weitering back in town who impressed in his first season, worth more than 30 possies that piece of play, as I said earlier thats what wins big games and tells the opposition you mean business...well done JW. Indeed, hope the lad's ok but that sort of selfless act sets a tone and sends a message.....well done Jacob
re: Polson.....not convinced and only had a few possies tonight but his team mates seem to like him so I'll refrain from critiquing his game on such a good winning evening..still young, but a very poor man's Murphy in my book....happy to be provn wrong
SPS...probably his best game in terms of impact and ball use.... looked a lot more interested last night....silky skills, still think he'll be an elite players if he wants it bad enough
Agree on Harry..not big numbers but looks the goods and has good skills for a big bloke, begs the question why he wasnt played earlier..... he must have had attitude issues cos the kid can surely play....
Marchbank.....one of his best games IMO, low on errors and was solid and reliable.....yes, but needs to hang onto the marks and not fly against 2 team mates...
Byrne..yep, showed same dash and we looked better with him down back than we have with Mullett, Shaw, OShea down there...confirmed he can and should be a valuable member of our best 22, great return to senior footy
Lobbe....been good IMO....Witts murdered us in the hitouts with 60 but then you look at Lobbe and he had 46?......thats a far nights work and he has that extra bulk that MK and Philips dont seem to have and he really suits our midfield IMO..yes, negated Witts which is something Kreuz has repeatedly failed to do
Dow was good and had some Judd like moments, like mids who kick goals and he has that burst of pace we lack....promising signs but need more across he 4 quarters
Kennedy...workmanlike....better than workmanlike, was covering the ground much better and knows how to let an opponent know he's there....
Pickett..unsighted needs to be put on the ball more - get him involved
Lamb....ok but not really a fan...prefer him forward but a pretty smarty footballer
Obrien..ok early but faded...remain to be convinced why we took him at 10
Jack...good team-man is Jack..not many would have seen but he laid a few blocks for Cripps on Lonergan and I paid more attention to that than his possies....handy game.yep, solid hit out for Jack....
Lang...used the ball well and seemed to have more time than some of the other players...showed he's a classy player....need a more consistent output but like many a very interrupted season...
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blues-rediscover-that-winning-feeling-at-last-20180728-p4zu7v.html
There was a gif that did the rounds on Twitter during the week. It depicted Homer Simpson fantasising he was a quarterback in an American football team, spearing a pass from defence, then running all the way to the other end of the field to mark his own ball and score the touchdown.
The gif was captioned, ‘‘Patrick Cripps’’, and it wasn’t far wrong. Homer Simpson couldn’t dominate games of football of any code like Cripps does in his dreams. Hopefully the Blues don’t kill Cripps, as David Parkin said he feared they would a few weeks ago, and he doesn’t kill himself from the exertion of carrying this team.
Lobbe was highly rated in his early days and if he stays fit could become very valuable for us and a very handy pieceof recruiting!
Feels good waking up after a win.
Yep remember when Clarko recruited him to the Hawks....very unfit and only good for 20 mins of a game but as that GF showed he only needed 20 mins to change the game.......agree not a great look for the playing group and needs some work with the fitness staff...
Agree on Lobbe...gave him a vote....just think his big frame suits our smaller bodied mids and he seems to fill space and make life awkward for his opponents....
Unfit or fat, that left foot of his was a weapon and probably the best I have ever seen. Could hit a bloke on the chest from 50m with the ball travelling no more than 5m off the ground. Dead set arrows they were. In any case, Da dada dadaaaaa, da dada dadaaaaaa!!
P.S. I am at the point now were I would be disappointed if Crippa doesnt win the Brownlow. What a player.
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(man on man comments/zone ditched)
P.S. I am at the point now were I would be disappointed if Crippa doesnt win the Brownlow. What a player.
how often does the winner come from the worst team?
Never....
One of the things that struck me as the team came off the field was the attention Polson was getting from his team-mates.
All smiles, congratulatory and positive.
I think Polson is probably doing his job well and it's a no frills job, bringing pressure. He gets to plenty of contests and does apply pressure... a hidden stat, whilst other stats are seemingly low.
how often does the winner come from the worst team?
Never....
Yes you're correct but its beyond the realms of possibility. I have a feeling the umps love the big fella and the way he plays in the guts.
Woewodin in 2000, Coll were second worst. 2003 when Buckley won it with the Goodes and Roo, Coll were 4th last. G Ablett in 2013 GS with 5th last.
I think Polson is probably doing his job well and it's a no frills job, bringing pressure. He get's to plenty of contests and does apply pressure... a hidden stat, whilst other stats are seemingly low.
Bolton did highlight that in the press conference afterwards. As previously mentioned he 'almost' does a lot of things well. He just needs time.
The second and third qtrs were ones to be savoured. As Bruce might say, 'delicioussss...'
Seeing the kids do so well was really heartening. Like H roaming around the middle, is good with ball in hand on the run... so many highlights from JW, Charlie, Dow and I agree with a previous poster that it was the best game we've seen from Marchbank - real authority and polish. Terrific to see Irish back in the side and showing dash.
But this kid Cripps, wow, what a player, what a leader. Hard to imagine him winning the Brownlow (from the bottom side) but sheesh, he'd have to poll damn well.
(SOS would be frowning though and probably had terse words with BB, "Okay, I'll allow you one more of those before the season is out... but nothing more...")
But you'd have to say that the GCS folded like soggy noodles when we applied pressure.
how often does the winner come from the worst team?
Never....
This question was raised recently.
The answer was twice.
...and not for the past 50 odd years i don't think.
Only seen highlights but very impressed by the nous shown by lesser lights, the tap ons, blocks, sacrificial acts etc. Just getting a hand in to take a fraction off the kick etc
Marchbank's bravery was quite notable, the frees against him to 2MP were crap. Weeters showed he is the man when is doesn't have Jones creating chaos....pity he didn't put his knee up and really teach May a lesson.
Hope they got plenty of antihistamine cream in their kit, that coarse bladed tropical grass plus rain equals horrific itchy rashes.
Oh, and a last thing, FU Cam Mooney, enough of the snide remarks. Commentate don't opinionate.
Happy to see SPS get a bit of it... go and get the ball son, we didn't draft you to tackle. Reckon he has been building up after a slow start, easily his best game for the year.
Dow also looked really sharp last night... also agree it was his best game. Stood out in the slippery conditions.
Dow also looked really sharp last night... also agree it was his best game. Stood out in the slippery conditions.
I reckon that the goal after the siren was an important step for the young man. It was a simple shot but it would have been very easy for him to lose concentration.
Only seen highlights but very impressed by the nous shown by lesser lights, the tap ons, blocks, sacrificial acts etc. Just getting a hand in to take a fraction off the kick etc
Marchbank's bravery was quite notable, the frees against him to 2MP were crap. Weeters showed he is the man when is doesn't have Jones creating chaos....pity he didn't put his knee up and really teach May a lesson.
Hope they got plenty of antihistamine cream in their kit, that coarse bladed tropical grass plus rain equals horrific itchy rashes.
Oh, and a last thing, FU Cam Mooney, enough of the snide remarks. Commentate don't opinionate.
Cam Mooney was a Bluebagger growing up and has a soft spot for us now, has been very supportive of what we are doing as a club in general, what did he say last night?
Happy to see SPS get a bit of it... go and get the ball son, we didn't draft you to tackle. Reckon he has been building up after a slow start, easily his best game for the year.
Dow also looked really sharp last night... also agree it was his best game. Stood out in the slippery conditions.
SPS seems like he only has one gear but his nous and lateral movement is great to watch.
Dow for a first season player is powerful and can push off from a standing start like a seasoned big bodied mid. Like SPS moves inside heavy traffic very well and doesn't panic.
Considering SPS is in his second season and Dow his first, and don't forget playing in the worst midfield in the comp - I'm very content with these 2 selections.
This question was raised recently.
The answer was twice.
...and not for the past 50 odd years i don't think.
It's funny though if you look back on the winners from the 60s and 70s they often came from the bottom 3 or 4 teams.
The last 20 years they're mostly from teams close to the top....rarely from a bottom four side.
Yes you're correct but its beyond the realms of possibility. I have a feeling the umps love the big fella and the way he plays in the guts.
Woewodin in 2000, Coll were second worst. 2003 when Buckley won it with the Goodes and Roo, Coll were 4th last. G Ablett in 2013 GS with 5th last.
Am I making a mistake somewhere, not reading the post correctly ???....Melbourne played Essendon in the Grand Final the year Woewodin won the Brownlow (he was with Melbourne then), the year Buckley shared the Brownlow Collingwood also made the grand final
It's funny though if you look back on the winners from the 60s and 70s they often came from the bottom 3 or 4 teams.
The last 20 years they're mostly from teams close to the top....rarely from a bottom four side.
Am I making a mistake somewhere, not reading the post correctly ???....Melbourne played Essendon in the Grand Final the year Woewodin won the Brownlow (he was with Melbourne then), the year Buckley shared the Brownlow Collingwood also made the grand final
Youre right Lods, my bad on both counts
Bunton? Skilton?
Murray.
Any win at this point in time is a good win, especially interstate. Make no mistakes though Gold Coast are putrid, they have to be to be that much worse than the team we had out there.
It was very interesting to see after we got ahead, the confidence levels went up across the side and the more daring kicks and play on's happened.
Jack - Poor kid is being moved around the ground and not being allowed to settle, I know it's out of necessity but once he is allowed to get serious midfield minutes we may have a Hird like player on our hands.
Dow - When he has his own size players around then Paddys class really stands out, he being trying to do this stuff all season to mixed results, but he's a star in the making.
Murph - Really put in, may be finding some fitness and game touch, lead well
O'Brien - Does the right things more often than not, he's no Elite star but a very good player in the making, runs all game, very tidy delivery and surprisingly will go inside and cop a whach when required.
SPS - Put Samo around guys his own size and age and you can see what you get, unfortunately not may midfields are that small. Great game but in the gym young man, 5KG and some 10 sprint work.
Simmo - nuf said
Kennedy - Starting to get of glimspe of what Mat can do, I hope for an full pre season and look out.
Cripps - (enter superlative here)
Harry - It's his strength and confidence in the contest that's holding him back. Not even 21 yet so has plenty of growth, and I have a feeling that we will hit our straps when Harry does
Lamb - A game, did what he had to and I don't remember any thing bad, apart from the goal, I don't remember that much god either.
Lang - Has goal sense and links up, but he is slower than I remember at Geelong, maybe that's the injury but again we need a healthy pre season from Darcy for next year.
Rowe - Very limited, was a decent match up on 2MP. I don't know why we didn't start with that.
Marchbank - Got better as the game went on, still a way off his last seasons performance. Needs to hit the gym this off season.
Weitering - Best game since 2017. Do Weiters and Marchbank play better with Jones' one man zone?
Lobbe - Was soundly beaten in the ruck, stats will say he wasn't taht far off in hit outs but a lot were to nothing. Nice follow up work but offered little around the ground.
Poulson - Another almost game, almost picked up the ball almost held the tackle etc. Has pure speed and desire two qualities that will keep him on the list or now but much improvement needed.
Charlie - Wish the umpires would pay the holding frees
Pickett - Hope we can get an Andrew Walker type back for next season, shows flashes but I want a Hawthorn 2017 performance every game.
Curnow - Decent game, you always know what you get effort wise, it's just the quality of skill that differs.
Byrne - Wasn't it great to have a line running half back? I've forgotten what that looks like. Can't wait for Docherty and Williamson to join in. Very good return and showed real strength.
Daisy - They say the end comes quickly, and it has here. Don't know if they can keep a spot for him on the list.
Wright - See Daisy.
I reckon that the goal after the siren was an important step for the young man. It was a simple shot but it would have been very easy for him to lose concentration.
Aye, showed poise and composure and dare I say a bit of maturity....
His team mates weren't exactly being quiet either!!
Thanks to our big win last night we no longer have the worst forward line in the AFL! Gold Coast have taken over as the team with the fewest points for this season, even though they've still won 2 more than us.
18. GCS 1,096
17. Carlton 1,125
16. Doggies 1,185 (still to play this week)
15. Freo 1,226 (still to play this week)
14. St Kilda 1,289
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1. Melbourne 1,868
For those you missed the game or just want to relive the moment, our highlights from last night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kftUMX-xbNw
(5 min 20 sec mark for some Dow magic)
You can also see one thing we've hardly done all year - actually celebrate goals as a team!
Bolton did highlight that in the press conference afterwards. As previously mentioned he 'almost' does a lot of things well. He just needs time.
Thought that and he does crack in with enthusiasm. Let's not judge him too early - he may well pay dividends for us down the track.
No pay TV so thanks for the highlights link Barbs, and everyone else for comments/insights.
Watching the highlights I was pleased to see Murph creatively involved. Gee, GC need to learn how to close down stoppages in front of opposition goals.
What a brighter world it is when we can bestow some praise on our younger players. Aaaaaaahhhhhh. Nice.
Interesting to hear Charlie Curnow’s post game comments about Bolts, “He’s a really good coach!”
... and next week, one of the players will look past the cameras towards the autocue and monotonise, "
I heartily endorse our current coach and/or board." ;D
I think Polson is probably doing his job well and it's a no frills job, bringing pressure. He gets to plenty of contests and does apply pressure... a hidden stat, whilst other stats are seemingly low.
That's almost exactly what Bolton said in his presser. If I didn't know better I'd think Baggers = Bolts ;)
Pretty sure Dow was in tears after the final siren.
I reckon this season has weighed heavily on the boys and the pressure that comes with being smashed in the media and that feeling of finally tasting victory after being belted all year disappears.
I know we all want wins and are disappointed with how it's panned out this season but these guys are human and are visibly hurting and trying pretty hard.
Great win on the road, and a big pressure release for the club.
GC were awful and missed swallow a lot, but we have had plenty of injuries in games: it shows how much effect they have.
Felt we won off the back of getting numbers to the contest, placing pressure on GC midfield. We spread a little better than usual also, allowing us cleaner ball movement forward which translates into more entries and score.
Hope weitering pulls up OK. He played a fine game, and we looked more organised down back with some dash thanks to Byrne.
Go blues!
It was a low standard game but a win on the road is always good.
Plenty of good players in fact few poor performances, it made a big difference from last week having Byrne and Thomas in the back half setting us up.
Cripps, Murphy and Petrevski-Seton were outstanding.
It was a low standard game but a win on the road is always good.
Plenty of good players in fact few poor performances, it made a big difference from last week having Byrne and Thomas in the back half setting us up.
Cripps, Murphy and Petrevski-Seton were outstanding.
The first half was shocking. I thought our skill level in H2 was remarkably good, almost beyond belief (relative to what has been shown in most other games this year).
The entire team (wags included) are spending extra days on the GC to aid recovery and strengthen bonds. A win totally changes the dynamics of the long weekend. I’m sure it will be a very positive experience on a number of different levels.
That's almost exactly what Bolton said in his presser. If I didn't know better I'd think Baggers = Bolts ;)
Who is this Bolts you speak of... think I'd better watch his post game media conference. Looks to me like Polson's being groomed to be our 'stopper'... post Curnow E. His ability to get from contest to contest and negate is very good... so it seemed logical.
Who is this Bolts you speak of... think I'd better watch his post game media conference. Looks to me like Polson's being groomed to be our 'stopper'... post Curnow E. His ability to get from contest to contest and negate is very good... so it seemed logical.
He has the speed and hunger. Its a good start.
Who is this Bolts you speak of... think I'd better watch his post game media conference. Looks to me like Polson's being groomed to be our 'stopper'... post Curnow E. His ability to get from contest to contest and negate is very good... so it seemed logical.
He had better spend a few pre seasons with that Windy Hill crew.....worked wonders for Heppell back when?
He has the speed and hunger. Its a good start.
I just don’t see it with polsen. I admit he runs hard so maybe there’s a future in athletics for the young man rather then as a footballer.
Watched footy for over 40 years and can’t think of many that are as lost as this kid when he finally does touch the ball which is usually under 5-6 times a game. Has no clue what to do other then just try and ran thru opposition players until he is pinged or turns it over.
If we had lost would his report card be as forgiving?
I just don’t see it with polsen. I admit he runs hard so maybe there’s a future in athletics for the young man rather then as a footballer.
Watched footy for over 40 years and can’t think of many that are as lost as this kid when he finally does touch the ball which is usually under 5-6 times a game. Has no clue what to do other then just try and ran thru opposition players until he is pinged or turns it over.
If we had lost would his report card be as forgiving?
I'm with you Shawny, dont get the love for Polson, as you say chases, runs hard etc etc but so does a chook minus its head.....when he does get the ball on the odd occasion he usually murders
it with high school disposal....had some divine intervention with his leg spinning goal the week before but vs GC I found it hard to get enthused about his output.
He does however seem popular with coach and team-mates.....maybe Nick Graham should hang around with him and have some of that Polson charm rub off, seems to work wonders with the match committee .....
I just don’t see it with polsen. I admit he runs hard so maybe there’s a future in athletics for the young man rather then as a footballer.
Watched footy for over 40 years and can’t think of many that are as lost as this kid when he finally does touch the ball which is usually under 5-6 times a game. Has no clue what to do other then just try and ran thru opposition players until he is pinged or turns it over.
If we had lost would his report card be as forgiving?
I really hate negative posts like this about kids.
You're only looking for glimpses with a 19 year old playing forward pocket and he's showing more and more all the time.
I just don’t see it with polsen. I admit he runs hard so maybe there’s a future in athletics for the young man rather then as a footballer.
Watched footy for over 40 years and can’t think of many that are as lost as this kid when he finally does touch the ball which is usually under 5-6 times a game. Has no clue what to do other then just try and ran thru opposition players until he is pinged or turns it over.
If we had lost would his report card be as forgiving?
I like Polson even when we're losing :D
I've liked him since his excitement on draft night;
So does Bolton...have a look at his post match.
It's not always about the possessions
He's applying forward pressure
He has speed and aggression and he tackles with intent.
Is his impact great?...probably not at this stage.
But he had a good patch in the VFL earlier this year so he can play a bit
He''s learning his trade and in a few years with a bit more strength he might not be getting pinged in those tackles.
He's very much a wait and see prospect
We have more interstate wins than Richmond this year now!
I really hate negative posts like this about kids.
You're only looking for glimpses with a 19 year old playing forward pocket and he's showing more and more all the time.
Shawny was accurate IMO and the kid is lucky to be playing because glimpses of anything great are rare....
Have a gander at these stats.....Polson had 4 disposals @ 25% DE with 2 clangars...plus 4 tackles.......Not really a cracker of a game you would agree.
He is obviously a popular player with his teammates and coach because he wouldnt be getting a game based on his output IMO.....
I like Polson even when we're losing :D
I've liked him since his excitement on draft night;
So does Bolton...have look at his post match.
It's not always about the possessions
He's applying forward pressure
He has speed and aggression and he tackles with intent.
Go back 2 years ago and Richmond had a whole bunch of ‘no name brand’ little forwards who were slowly learning what extreme forward pressure really means. Polson, like 6-8 of our other young kids are still strictly works in progress.
Shawny was accurate IMO and the kid is lucky to be playing because glimpses of anything great are rare....
Have a gander at these stats.....Polson had 4 disposals @ 25% DE with 2 clangars...plus 4 tackles.......Not really a cracker of a game you would agree.
He is obviously a popular player with his teammates and coach because he wouldnt be getting a game based on his output IMO.....
I've watched footy for 40 years and I reckon he's crap.. blah blah.
You play small forward and you're asked to sacrifice your game to make sure Harbrow doesn't cut us to pieces because that's where they got the swans the week before and you do it well and we win.
Then your own "40 year expert" supporters are delisting you 5 minutes later.
how often does the winner come from the worst team?
Never....
This question was raised recently.
The answer was twice.
...and not for the past 50 odd years i don't think.
So i researched my own answer to confirm.
It was correct, but longer than i'd anticipated.
The only time a player has won the brownlow in a side that finished bottom is...
1. 1936 - Denis 'Dinny' Ryan (Fitzroy)
2. 1949 - Col Austen* (Hawthorn)
*He tied with Ron Clegg (South Melbourne) who finished 3rd last.
Here's a fun fact though...
Only 1 person has won a brownlow from a team that finished 13th or lower on the ladder. (So starting from 1987 (14 teams) and on).
*tick tock*
*tick tock*
2013 - Gary Ablett - Gold Coast finished 14th.
....so nobody has EVER won a brownlow from a team who finished 15th or lower (So 1991 (15 teams) and on).
P. Cripps - 3 votes.
Watched footy for over 40 years and can’t think of many that are as lost as this kid.
You would then remember a K Simpson early on or an A Koutifides in his first in and out season (‘he’s an athlete trying to be a footballer, nothing more.) .....and there are plenty more examples throughout the AFL.
Patience while we find out (we had Gowers as a dud too)
I've watched footy for 40 years and I reckon he's crap.. blah blah.
You play small forward and you're asked to sacrifice your game to make sure Harbrow doesn't cut us to pieces because that's where they got the swans the week before and you do it well and we win.
Then your own "40 year expert" supporters are delisting you 5 minutes later.
Harbrow had 13 possies vs the Swans and wasnt close to being in their best but had 24 possies vs us......
No one is saying to delist him.....just dont try and sell us the story he is some world beater either because the stats dont back it up.....he is the least impressive of our kids but is
acquiring some cult status because he is very school boyish and gets the sympathy vote because the game is a struggle for him.....good luck to him, hope he gets better but dont knock Shawny
for telling the real story rather than buying into the fairy tale....
Bolton singled him out in his post match
We've signed him for another two years.
The people with expectations obviously rate him... so although he may not be as good as some of us think, I suspect he's not as bad as some of us think.
Let's call it a draw ;D
Shawny was accurate IMO and the kid is lucky to be playing because glimpses of anything great are rare....
Have a gander at these stats.....Polson had 4 disposals @ 25% DE with 2 clangars...plus 4 tackles.......Not really a cracker of a game you would agree.
He is obviously a popular player with his teammates and coach because he wouldnt be getting a game based on his output IMO.....
Listen, i copped a lot of crap in the off-season for suggesting Polson would be high (possibly #1) on the delist list.
He has hardly set the world on fire since.
However, i've seen glimpses in him which i like.
He's just played his 9th game. Data for 9th game hasn't been updated yet
Some stats for people to consider though...
| Stat | Player A | Player B |
| Age on Debut | 19y 41d | 19y 34d |
| Age on 9th game | 20y 139d | 21y 2d |
| Highest disposals (in first 8 games) | 15 | 9 |
| Average dispoals (in first 8 games) | 7.63 | 2.75 |
| Average tackles (in first 8 games) | 2.88 | 1.22 |
| Total Scores (in first 8 games) | 1 goal 5 | 1 goal 2 |
| Total inside 50's (in first 8 games) | 11 | 4 |
| Total rebound 50's (in first 8 games) | 0 | 1 |
| Contested:uncontested possession ratio | 32:36 (47%) | 10:12 (45%) |
| Draft pick taken | 59 | 45 |
| - | | |
| - | | |
| Name | Polson | Simpson |
Aside from the obvious contribution of our leaders, I was impressed with:
Lobbe consistent ruck effort and strong follow up
Kennedy's strength and composure
Samo's vision and delivery
Jack's nous and improvement in close
Dow looks like he's having a ball and loves the blues
Having Marchy and speedy Casey back
The return of the spirit of the old (young) Weiters
Team celebrations of every goal
Pressure in the dying minutes
Bolts pride
Hope they have a fun filled and full recovery on the GC, and that Weiters is ok
Listen, i copped a lot of crap in the off-season for suggesting Polson would be high (possibly #1) on the delist list.
He has hardly set the world on fire since.
However, i've seen glimpses in him which i like.
He's just played his 9th game. Data for 9th game hasn't been updated yet
Some stats for people to consider though...
| Stat | Player A | Player B |
| Age on Debut | 19y 41d | 19y 34d |
| Age on 9th game | 20y 139d | 21y 2d |
| Highest disposals (in first 8 games) | 15 | 9 |
| Average dispoals (in first 8 games) | 7.63 | 2.75 |
| Average tackles (in first 8 games) | 2.88 | 1.22 |
| Total Scores (in first 8 games) | 1 goal 5 | 1 goal 2 |
| Total inside 50's (in first 8 games) | 11 | 4 |
| Total rebound 50's (in first 8 games) | 0 | 1 |
| Contested:uncontested possession ratio | 32:36 (47%) | 10:12 (45%) |
| Draft pick taken | 59 | 45 |
| - | | |
| - | | |
| Name | Polson | Simpson |
I agreed with you regarding polson being first in the gun.
There is something endearing about him, but I take exception to the stats.
Simpson played sporadically in his first three games registering zero possessions. He said recently that in two of the games he was only on the Park halfway through the last quarter.
Aside from the obvious contribution of our leaders, I was impressed with:
Lobbe consistent ruck effort and strong follow up
Kennedy's strength and composure
Samo's vision and delivery
Jack's nous and improvement in close
Dow looks like he's having a ball and loves the blues
Having Marchy and speedy Casey back
The return of the spirit of the old (young) Weiters
Team celebrations of every goal
Pressure in the dying minutes
Bolts pride
Hope they have a fun filled and full recovery on the GC, and that Weiters is ok
I just re watched the game.
Our hand balling was a significant improvement on what we have seen especially in the greasy conditions
Also the physical commitment from all was a nice change.
One of the young guys, Cripps could be a player
Harbrow had 13 possies vs the Swans and wasnt close to being in their best but had 24 possies vs us......
No one is saying to delist him.....just dont try and sell us the story he is some world beater either because the stats dont back it up.....he is the least impressive of our kids but is
acquiring some cult status because he is very school boyish and gets the sympathy vote because the game is a struggle for him.....good luck to him, hope he gets better but dont knock Shawny
for telling the real story rather than buying into the fairy tale....
They killed the swans for pace through the midfield usually starting off half back.
Don't come on here drawing conclusions on our 19 year olds who are playing forward pocket in a team getting thrashed usually and expect it to go unchallenged.
On another positive note... Adelaide and WB both lost. At the moment that's picks 23 and 25 to us. Not sure the crows would have expected their pick to be quite that high when they did the Gibbs deal. They'd have expected it to be a full 10 or 11 spots later.
They killed the swans for pace through the midfield usually starting off half back.
Don't come on here drawing conclusions on our 19 year olds who are playing forward pocket in a team getting thrashed usually and expect it to go unchallenged.
On another positive note... Adelaide and WB both lost. At the moment that's picks 23 and 25 to us. Not sure the crows would have expected their pick to be quite that high when they did the Gibbs deal. They'd have expected it to be a full 10 or 11 spots later.
Yes - I've also been watching the results of WB & the Crows - you don't have to lose to get better draft picks - you just have to hope those 2 teams lose. way better than tanking. and i always enjoy watching the crows lose. I dearly hope they miss the finals.
Listen, i copped a lot of crap in the off-season for suggesting Polson would be high (possibly #1) on the delist list.
He has hardly set the world on fire since.
However, i've seen glimpses in him which i like.
He's just played his 9th game. Data for 9th game hasn't been updated yet
Some stats for people to consider though...
| Stat | Player A | Player B |
| Age on Debut | 19y 41d | 19y 34d |
| Age on 9th game | 20y 139d | 21y 2d |
| Highest disposals (in first 8 games) | 15 | 9 |
| Average dispoals (in first 8 games) | 7.63 | 2.75 |
| Average tackles (in first 8 games) | 2.88 | 1.22 |
| Total Scores (in first 8 games) | 1 goal 5 | 1 goal 2 |
| Total inside 50's (in first 8 games) | 11 | 4 |
| Total rebound 50's (in first 8 games) | 0 | 1 |
| Contested:uncontested possession ratio | 32:36 (47%) | 10:12 (45%) |
| Draft pick taken | 59 | 45 |
| - | | |
| - | | |
| Name | Polson | Simpson |
Take your point and yes Kade had a ordinary start too but I'm not seeing what others bar Shawny are seeing in Polson, I think its another David Ellard love story, the little bloke who isnt very good but we will keep him on the list for 8 years.
because we all like him and he is good clubman.
I just re watched the game.
Our hand balling was a significant improvement on what we have seen especially in the greasy conditions
Also the physical commitment from all was a nice change.
One of the young guys, Cripps could be a player
I hope you don't think I missed Crippa.... he's in the leaders bit of course. In fact he needs a category of his own. The champion category!
I also liked the extra 0.5% effort to spoil, shepherd, or put ball carrier off balance. Many of us have noticed this missing previously.
Starting to get excited about the draft and PS.
They killed the swans for pace through the midfield usually starting off half back.
Don't come on here drawing conclusions on our 19 year olds who are playing forward pocket in a team getting thrashed usually and expect it to go unchallenged.
On another positive note... Adelaide and WB both lost. At the moment that's picks 23 and 25 to us. Not sure the crows would have expected their pick to be quite that high when they did the Gibbs deal. They'd have expected it to be a full 10 or 11 spots later.
I didnt draw any conclusions I just quoted the stats and refused to drink the same kool-aid that most are drinking about a kid who has done very little..
Yep very pleasing to see the Crows down and almost out and the Bulldogs proving their GF was a fluke.....Josh Dunkley is impressive for the Dogs prefer him to Wallis....
Pick 23 + 25 packaged up and traded for pick 12ish?
Wallis would be a good stop gap in the midfield but he's a coach killer with his kicking.
I'd take Dalhouse though.
I hope you don't think I missed Crippa.... he's in the leaders bit of course. In fact he needs a category of his own. The champion category!
I also liked the extra 0.5% effort to spoil, shepherd, or put ball carrier off balance. Many of us have noticed this missing previously.
Starting to get excited about the draft and PS.
No just thought It was some kind of game.
I liked a few others too, SPS may have taken some big strides last night, and Dow keeps improving.
A few more positives and we will all be happy to stay the course but geez they have been few and far between
Wallis would be a good stop gap in the midfield but he's a coach killer with his kicking.
I'd take Dalhouse though.
Wallis would be a no from me for reasons I have said on another thread......Dahlhaus would be 50/50, handy goalkicker but very small and we already have a forward pocket pressure machine
in Cameron Polson... ;)
Dalhouse plays quite a bit of midfield and he'd be starting mid in our team.
I’m liking what I see from Polsen which is unending pressure.
SPS gets panned on here at times for not going all in all the time so what I and others see and like is this kids go!
Dalhouse plays quite a bit of midfield and he'd be starting mid in our team.
You think of the good midfields say a Treloar, Pendlebury, DeGoey, Sidebottom and he is going to be useless vs that quality, I want more size and strength to help Cripps....not more Auskickers...
I can see a role for Dahlhaus as a small forward but not on ball....
You think of the good midfields say a Treloar, Pendlebury, DeGoey, Sidebottom and he is going to be useless vs that quality, I want more size and strength to help Cripps....not more Auskickers...
I can see a role for Dahlhaus as a small forward but not on ball....
Treloar isn't that big. 181 cm. Dalhaus is 178.
Still if we are getting a bulldog it's Jack mccrae or someone who isn't cracking in for a game IMHO.
I think a couple of our kids could be the equal or better of Treloar, I wouldn't be surprised to find that Dow is already ahead of him game for game.
They just need time, strength and fitness, so we have to be very careful about who we pick up so the progress of our kids isn't stalled.
Personally, if we had a Tom McDonald type being "The Man" in our F50, and one other heavy body to be an enforcer type, I think that is all we need! But even then, next year with a fit Doc, Plowman, another season for McKay, Weitering, Marchbank, Williamson, Macreadie, SPS, Dow, Kerr and O'Brien. I think fans will be very surprised at how quickly things can turn around!
I worry about our ruck depth, I can see McKay spending more time in there than we would like. Next game's selection will be interesting, no doubt we want Kreuzer around the ground, but Lobbe is doing OK in the centre bounces. Might be a good thing for SpecialK to have a bit of competition, maybe that Cripps chop out role for SpecialK is a genuine option now!
Shawny was accurate IMO and the kid is lucky to be playing because glimpses of anything great are rare....
Have a gander at these stats.....Polson had 4 disposals @ 25% DE with 2 clangars...plus 4 tackles.......Not really a cracker of a game you would agree.
He is obviously a popular player with his teammates and coach because he wouldnt be getting a game based on his output IMO.....
Simmo was getting similar numbers in the early days. He is the equivalent of an apprentice. Let him learn the trade before we bag him. That goes for anyone under 21 years of age.
Whateley doing his best to poke fun at us again on SEN, King being a little more reasonable if not reserved!
Whateley doing his best to poke fun at us again on SEN, King being a little more reasonable if not reserved!
He's becoming a parody of himself....gee I miss the days of decent ABC commentators.
Was GW always such a jerk or has his recent 'success; gone to his head...?
I can understand the love for Polson, he goes hell for leather and is an endearing sort of kid, and he's wearing Navy Blue after all, but I think that it's fair to say that if we had a full list to pick from or any other small forward with a semblance of ability he'd be in the VFL.
If Nick Graham had his pace we'd have a decent footballer.
We are desperately short of small forwards, it should be a top priority in the off season.
Was GW always such a jerk or has his recent 'success; gone to his head...?
He's always had that sort of snide, condescending tone in his voice.
Wallis would be a no from me for reasons I have said on another thread......Dahlhaus would be 50/50, handy goalkicker but very small and we already have a forward pocket pressure machine
in Cameron Polson... ;)
I'd see Dahlhaus as being an upgrade on Matty Wright. Love what Wright has brought to the club, but has dropped off a bit this year.
He's becoming a parody of himself....gee I miss the days of decent ABC commentators.
GW reminds me of a schoolboy know-all and aspiring teacher's pet. I personally switch him off these days - well past his use-by date afaic.
GW reminds me of a schoolboy know-all and aspiring teacher's pet. I personally switch him off these days - well past his use-by date afaic.
I don't mind him or any other commentator being critical, but if anyone tries to call Whateley out he cuts them off.
If you want to be a critique then stand up and take the feedback. Hunchy's crew are mostly unaccountable, they talk down to the fans, footballers and many other of the games commentators, it's a form of bruise free reporting!
I'd see Dahlhaus as being an upgrade on Matty Wright. Love what Wright has brought to the club, but has dropped off a bit this year.
I'd agree with that and like I said would consider him for his forward pocket work but I dont see him as any immediate answer to our midfield issues.
FWIW I think Wright will get another year but that may be it...
I'd agree with that and like I said would consider him for his forward pocket work but I dont see him as any immediate answer to our midfield issues.
FWIW I think Wright will get another year but that may be it...
I agree, I much prefer Dahl in the forward line. If we could get him and he could add a goal a goal or two a game, I think he'd be valuable. I'd like to see Wright get another year regardless, worst case scenario he adds depth and leadership in the two's.
Was GW always such a jerk or has his recent 'success; gone to his head...?
Not sure a significant dip in ratings would be a 'success'. His profile is up due to 360 and his association with the village idiot, Robbo and his highly intelligent interactions with Trout from Woodend and Matt in Doreen (ain't that getting old!) but in radio terms, he's floundering.
For mine, collectively, that was the best I've seen the young blokes perform and many would've played their best games for the Blues.....Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, SPS. We look much better with Byrne in the side providing some run out of the backline. Said it last week, put Docherty, Plowman and also Williamson back in there and it will look better. And again, thought Lobbe was terrific....Witts is a massive unit but Lobbe was competitive all night and fought hard around the ground. Cripps is a phenomenal player and has had leader written all over him since day 1.
Yes we're 18th and Gold Coast are 17th, but mighty proud of the Blues on Saturday night....felt more pleased for Bolton than anyone. It was like the shackles were removed after 1/4 time and the young blokes were just told to play with some freedom, take the game on and just go out and play....certainly looked that way.
I'd see Dahlhaus as being an upgrade on Matty Wright. Love what Wright has brought to the club, but has dropped off a bit this year.
If we were to bring in Dahlhaus, I’d prefer to see him as an upgrade of someone who can’t get a game. Wright may have dropped off a bit but his best is still very good and he is the only experienced forward we have. I’m not sure that Dahlhaus would bring the steadiness of Wright.
If Wright does get a contract extension, I’d like to see a couple of our youngsters putting pressure on him for his spot, particularly if they can add strength to our midfield rotations.
If we were to bring in Dahlhaus, I’d prefer to see him as an upgrade of someone who can’t get a game. Wright may have dropped off a bit but his best is still very good and he is the only experienced forward we have. I’m not sure that Dahlhaus would bring the steadiness of Wright.
If Wright does get a contract extension, I’d like to see a couple of our youngsters putting pressure on him for his spot, particularly if they can add strength to our midfield rotations.
I'm on the opposite train of thought. You upgrade your better players and then those players that are upgraded become your depth. No good getting a guy who's better than your duds, but not as good as your under performing lineup.
I'm on the opposite train of thought. You get someone better than what you're playing and then those players that are upgraded become your depth. No good getting a guy who's better than your duds, but not as good as your under performing lineup.
There's a rumor floating around that Christian has recommended to Hocking that Cripps gets offered a week for the Swallow tackle, but the AFL has yet to tick off on the recommendations! If Cripps isn't cleared it's going to be bullcrap! :o
I'm on the opposite train of thought. You upgrade your better players and then those players that are upgraded become your depth. No good getting a guy who's better than your duds, but not as good as your under performing lineup.
I think we’re saying much the same thing NM, but with a different emphasis.
I would be happy to see Dahlhaus (or a similar first 22 player) come in at the expense of someone like LeBois (yes he’s a rookie but seems most likely not to make the grade). Dahlhaus would then provide much-needed depth and more competition for the small forward spot. I’d like to see Wright providing depth too, if someone like Cuningham could step and force him out of the side.
Cripps would be very unlucky. Both him and Swallow had momentum going forward when he was tackled. No pinning of the arms and didn't drive him into the ground forcefully...just an accidental one for mine. If they're going to rub him out then Moore should get a week for kneeing his own team mate in the head in that marking contest! May's was way worse....he's just lucky that Curnow has got a hard head and got up. That was about as late as you could possibly get...shoulder to the head....minimum two weeks surely?
There's a rumor floating around that Christian has recommended to Hocking that Cripps gets offered a week for the Swallow tackle, but the AFL has yet to tick off on the recommendations! If Cripps isn't cleared it's going to be bullcrap! :o
I can't think of a more inappropriate name for that character! ::)
I can't think of a more inappropriate name for that character! ::)
No prizes for guessing where the rumor comes from, a Handbagger!
Apparently they are claiming that based on Dangerfield getting done for Kreuzer, Cripps deserves a week, Hocking in charge....DoH!
If Cripps gets off, will the turd Dangerfield complain after his Kreuzer penalty earlier this season?
There's a rumor floating around that Christian has recommended to Hocking that Cripps gets offered a week for the Swallow tackle, but the AFL has yet to tick off on the recommendations! If Cripps isn't cleared it's going to be bullcrap! :o
There is seriously something wrong with our game if Cripps gets rubbed out for tackling a bloke. What has this great game become?
Ciaran Byrne's take on the skipper:
"The amount of work he (Murphy) does around the Club, he’s been an outstanding leader for us," he said.
“You can see on the weekend, he’s so calm with the ball and hard at it. He’s a very important player for us.”
There is seriously something wrong with our game if Cripps gets rubbed out for tackling a bloke. What has this great game become?
Hopefuly it's all air.....but agreed, there was nothing in it.
There's a rumor floating around that Christian has recommended to Hocking that Cripps gets offered a week for the Swallow tackle, but the AFL has yet to tick off on the recommendations! If Cripps isn't cleared it's going to be bullcrap! :o
when does it have to go in by? Tonight or tomorrow?
If he is cited, I sincerely hope CFC do not sit by silently this time....
I normally wouldn't take much notice of this type of rumor, from the person concerned not the rumor, but given the way the Handbaggers complained about Charlie and Ed I'm left a little skeptical.
Cripps 10 Votes;
https://www.aflcoaches.com.au/awards/the-aflca-champion-player-of-the-year-award/leaderboard
Interesting votes.
10 - Patrick Cripps (CARL) = 2 x 5
6 - Kade Simpson (CARL) = (1 x 2 + 1 x 4) or (2 x 3)
6 - Charlie Curnow (CARL) = (1 x 2 + 1 x 4) or (2 x 3)
4 - Marc Murphy (CARL) = 1 x 4
2 - Ed Curnow (CARL) = 1 x 2
1 - Sam Petrevski-Seton (CARL) = 1 x 1
1 - Darcy Lang (CARL) = 1 x 1
I normally wouldn't take much notice of this type of rumor, but given the way the Handbaggers complained about Charlie and Ed I'm left a little skeptical.
Not one commentator suggested he had a problem with that tackle.
The opposite!
The club would have to 'noisily' appeal that decision...to the point of "Don't tread on us anymore...we're done taking it!"
They probably have to look at it because Swallow went off concussed and didn't come back on. But yes, none of the commentators thought there was anything in it. Definitely not two actions and he didn't drive him into the ground with any intent like the Natanui one earlier this year. Cripps is a big guy and if he'd wanted to drive Swallow into the turf and hurt him then it would've been a lot worse.
If Cripps gets cited for that tackle we know for sure there is a witch hunt going on!!
They probably have to look at it because Swallow went off concussed and didn't come back on. But yes, none of the commentators thought there was anything in it. Definitely not two actions and he didn't drive him into the ground with any intent like the Natanui one earlier this year. Cripps is a big guy and if he'd wanted to drive Swallow into the turf and hurt him then it would've been a lot worse.
"Drive" is the key word...momentum had them both going forward and none of Cripps's actions after that momentum took over was designed to exaggerate the impact with the ground.
Cripps falls in tandem but because Swallow is slightly lower he takes the hit harder.
We can ignore the rumor, the same source told a different person Charlie was being offered a week!
FFS, they can't both be true so they must both be false!
GWS minus Cripps and Charlie....that would be "pretty" ::)
Pretty ugly! :(
What do you think of the votes Lods?
AFLCA Votes.
10 - Patrick Cripps (CARL) = 2 x 5
6 - Kade Simpson (CARL) = (1 x 2 + 1 x 4) or (2 x 3)
6 - Charlie Curnow (CARL) = (1 x 2 + 1 x 4) or (2 x 3)
4 - Marc Murphy (CARL) = 1 x 4
2 - Ed Curnow (CARL) = 1 x 2
1 - Sam Petrevski-Seton (CARL) = 1 x 1
1 - Darcy Lang (CARL) = 1 x 1
There was no love for Charlie or Simmo in the Jim Park, could it be one of the coaches just voted for Curnow(Curnow Confusion!)?
What do you think of the votes Lods?
AFLCA Votes.
10 - Patrick Cripps (CARL) = 2 x 5
6 - Kade Simpson (CARL) = (1 x 2 + 1 x 4) or (2 x 3)
6 - Charlie Curnow (CARL) = (1 x 2 + 1 x 4) or (2 x 3)
4 - Marc Murphy (CARL) = 1 x 4
2 - Ed Curnow (CARL) = 1 x 2
1 - Sam Petrevski-Seton (CARL) = 1 x 1
1 - Darcy Lang (CARL) = 1 x 1
There was no love for Charlie or Simmo in the Jim Park, could it be one of the coaches just voted for Curnow(Curnow Confusion!)?
I wonder how long since Carlton swept the votes in that award ?
Clear endorsement from Dew that his players were crap on Saturday night!
Charlie Curnow MRP = 1 Game! :o
Cripps cleared
May = 1 Game! >:( wtf?
Charlie Curnow MRP = 1 Game! :o
Cripps cleared
May = 1 Game! >:( wtf?
And May?
Hard to fathom how Curnow's could be graded the same as May's? May was much later, much more forceful? But if Curnow misses then maybe another chance for Kerr or Casboult or both this week.
Charlie Curnow MRP = 1 Game! :o
Cripps cleared
May = 1 Game! >:( wtf?
Must admit, I thought the Curnow one didn't look good at the time.
Didn't look good, but zero f***ing impact.
Must admit, I thought the Curnow one didn't look good at the time.
Agree..you cant whack blokes in the head, May must have slipped a sneaky one into Charlie unnoticed...dont have a problem with Charlie whacking a SOB like May....
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-30/star-blue-suns-cocaptain-hit-with-bans
May, 1 week for the hit on Ed, FFS!
Charlie = Intentional low impact = 1 week!
May = Careless medium impact = 1 week!
This my friends is bullcrap, bend over Carlton your ar5e is the world's to own, leave your balls at the door!
If May's wasn't intentional I don't know what is....lined him up and got him straight in the head with a shoulder WELL after he'd got rid of the ball. If the contact was almost exactly as he'd got rid of the ball then yeah, maybe careless....May can consider himself very lucky.
How could they suggest Charlie's 'hit' had more intent than May's....?
FFS, that is simply bizarre!
Agree..you cant whack blokes in the head, May must have slipped a sneaky one into Charlie unnoticed...dont have a problem with Charlie whacking a SOB like May....
My issue with it is that it was stupid and unnecessary, CC is one of two players we cannot afford to have on the sidelines and cant win without at the minute. Only positive is that Kerr will get an opportunity I guess.
Forget Charlie being done, but May getting a week for the Ed bump, that's effectively open season on Carlton players!
You could be forgiven for thinking the Curnow's are not AFL favorites for whatever reason!
Told you he was in trouble, but one week for May, WTF?!?
May = Protected species. High, late, medium contact.... Two weeks minimum or MRO is taking the piss.
Match Review Officer Michael Christian graded the [Charlie] incident as intentional conduct, with low impact to the head, meaning Curnow will miss Carlton's clash with GWS on Sunday if he accepts.
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The [May] incident was graded as careless conduct, with medium impact to the head. It means May will miss Gold Coast's game against Melbourne at the MCG on Sunday if he accepts the ban.
What a crock!
Charlie's hit on May was like hitting a tank with a feather. Charlie seemed to be trying to avoid the contact at the last minute and he showed concern for May - who milked the incident to ensure the down field free.
On the other hand, May's hit on Ed was premeditated and intended to hurt.
We should appeal this one and show footage of the May hit to demonstrate the inappropriateness of Charlie's penalty; if May gets a week, Charlie should get a fine at worst.
"Drive" is the key word...momentum had them both going forward and none of Cripps's actions after that momentum took over was designed to exaggerate the impact with the ground.
Cripps falls in tandem but because Swallow is slightly lower he takes the hit harder.
That vision of Swallow after the tackle wasn't great, but Cripps has done nothing wrong. Neither of Swallow's arms were pinned, and Cripps' left hand and left knee are on the grass, giving some protection to both he and Swallow.
Be very harsh if gets rubbed out / fined for that.
I agreed with you regarding polson being first in the gun.
There is something endearing about him, but I take exception to the stats.
Simpson played sporadically in his first three games registering zero possessions. He said recently that in two of the games he was only on the Park halfway through the last quarter.
...and?
He wasnt good enough to get more game time. Doesnt change anything.
Point is that early days, both players are struggling....both for game time and to simply get the ball.
People are writing off Polson because of crap stats.
Just showing people that crap stats 'means' that Simpson can't play either.
OR
Perhaps don't write players off so early is the point.
...and?
He wasnt good enough to get more game time. Doesnt change anything.
Point is that early days, both players are struggling....both for game time and to simply get the ball.
People are writing off Polson because of crap stats.
Just showing people that crap stats 'means' that Simpson can't play either.
OR
Perhaps don't write players off so early is the point.
Point is that Simpsons stats are artificially deflated for his first three games by playing feck all minutes, with 0 posessions.
THAT is what you call statistical bias, even though your underlying point has merit.
To add further weight to the statistical disparity in that comparison:
Kade's first 3 games in % time on ground:
Game 1 - 30%
Game 2 - 2%
Game 3 - 14%
Cameron Polson's first 3 games in % time on ground:
Game 1 - 74%
Game 2 - 70%
Game 3 - 79%
It is not unreasonable to think that had Simpson had greater opportunity in his first 3 games he may have made more impact on the games he played. Its also worth noting that his next 3 games were similar and only has 1 match where he got 80% game time.
Finally, I am prepared to give Cameron more time, but unlike most of our other drafees this one doesnt look like he belongs (at this stage).
who cares?
Move on gents! ??? ::) :-X
Point is that Simpsons stats are artificially deflated for his first three games by playing feck all minutes, with 0 posessions.
THAT is what you call statistical bias, even though your underlying point has merit.
Not that it matters, but lets use the first 8 games, without the first 3.
Average possessions jumped from 2.75 -> 4.4 possessions per game.
In Simpsons 4th game, he played 82% game time and amassed 9 touches.
In Polsons 8th game, he played 85% game time and managed 15 touches.
Simpsons first 3 games were certainly not great, but the rest of them (up to date) are not any better than what Polson is putting out....despite being older at the same stage of their career.
To add some light and shade to this discussion somewhat, using Anthony Koutoufides in 2004 as a little bit of a benchmark about what the norm was for an AFL player then, you quickly see that players get much more of the footy these days and the statistical comparison doesnt quite add up.
Where Cripps and Murphy are seeing the ball 35+ times, Kouta was having his best games getting close to 30 touches and his poorer games his stats were in the teens and it might be fair to say that the playing field is not quite comparable between them and leave that as a footnote to the discussion with the only conclusion being that currently, Cameron Polson is yet to stamp his AFL credentials and that he has another season or two to do so.
What I do worry about is that our midget sized coach better not have a soft spot for midget sized players with a heart of gold just because that reflects the way he sees himself.
@Flyboy, this is all about discussing footy. If you don't like it, keep scrolling. Kruddler and I are having a rather grown up discussion regarding the merit of a teenager, and how to measure it, using empirical evidence from reputable websites and prior examples. If not for these discussions in a season where we have been diabolically bad, what the feck else would you like us to talk about???
mahjong! ;)
Just got back from the Gold coast, it is more enjoyable to travel when you win. It was a great move to start Samo off the back flank as it really freed him up. Silvagni had a good game and Byrne was good in the first half. A couple of times Carlton players hit their targets with their passes and the player then held their marks.I think it is called teamwork. It is amazing how good a team can look when they do the simple things well. Players were very passionate about the result which was good to see. The third quarter was incredible, when was the last time we kicked seven in a quarter? Still a lot of work to do but it was better than what has been produced lately.
To add some light and shade to this discussion somewhat, using Anthony Koutoufides in 2004 as a little bit of a benchmark about what the norm was for an AFL player then, you quickly see that players get much more of the footy these days and the statistical comparison doesnt quite add up.
Where Cripps and Murphy are seeing the ball 35+ times, Kouta was having his best games getting close to 30 touches and his poorer games his stats were in the teens and it might be fair to say that the playing field is not quite comparable between them and leave that as a footnote to the discussion with the only conclusion being that currently, Cameron Polson is yet to stamp his AFL credentials and that he has another season or two to do so.
What I do worry about is that our midget sized coach better not have a soft spot for midget sized players with a heart of gold just because that reflects the way he sees himself.
@Flyboy, this is all about discussing footy. If you don't like it, keep scrolling. Kruddler and I are having a rather grown up discussion regarding the merit of a teenager, and how to measure it, using empirical evidence from reputable websites and prior examples. If not for these discussions in a season where we have been diabolically bad, what the feck else would you like us to talk about???
Lets assume that 30 touches today is the same as 25 touches previously. Seems about right to me. That is an increase of 20% on the figures previously.
20% on top of Simpsons early figures are still not up to Polsons figures.
FWIW, i was never saying Polson is going to be as good as simpson, or had a better start to his career or whatever.
Simply stating that it is too early to make a definitive call on Polson based solely on his possession count at this stage, which some people are doing.
So Cripps dominated again, as we all know. Got a perfect 10 in the coaches votes, again.
Here's a stat i stole from facebook.
Polling 8+ AFL Coaches votes in 2018
1x: 73 players
2x: 34 players
3x: 12 players
4x: 6 players
5x: Trent Cotchin
6x: Nat Fyfe, Max Gawn, Tom Mitchell
7x:
8x: PATRICK CRIPPS
Brownlow bound?
130 players have received 8+ votes from the coaches in a game this year.
Only 1 has done it more than 6 times.
Lets assume that 30 touches today is the same as 25 touches previously. Seems about right to me. That is an increase of 20% on the figures previously.
20% on top of Simpsons early figures are still not up to Polsons figures.
FWIW, i was never saying Polson is going to be as good as simpson, or had a better start to his career or whatever.
Simply stating that it is too early to make a definitive call on Polson based solely on his possession count at this stage, which some people are doing.
Its not just the poor possession count, he butchers most of his disposals, dont remember Simpson being such a poor user of the ball....
4 possies at 25% with 2 clangars and people rated his game :o.....and he played on Harbrow who had 24 possies.
Next time Nick Graham goes at 25% and his man has 6 times the amount of ball I expect to see the love come forth and nominate him as BOG....
Think the Herald Sun had Jack Heron as worst on ground with 22 points, Polson was equal next with 23......Heron must have played a blinder too.....
Didn't look good, but zero f***ing impact.
And was shoved into May
What a crock!
Charlie's hit on May was like hitting a tank with a feather. Charlie seemed to be trying to avoid the contact at the last minute and he showed concern for May - who milked the incident to ensure the down field free.
On the other hand, May's hit on Ed was premeditated and intended to hurt.
We should appeal this one and show footage of the May hit to demonstrate the inappropriateness of Charlie's penalty; if May gets a week, Charlie should get a fine at worst.
I saw the incident for the first time tonight on the news, from Channel 7. The first thing that came into my mind was that it was careless and clumsy. If Charlie had wanted to take May out, he wouldn't have done what he did: there are simply more effective ways of dealing with May than that.
Getting a week was a bit rough, but the club will have to think carefully about an appeal of some sort.
May, on the other hand, was very deliberate in what he did. How it was called anything else is amazing.
Crash as JonHenry mentions, he was also pushed - the news clips aren't showing that. If he wasn't pushed the speed and angles would be such that he wouldn't have hit May high.
How was May's incident judged as careless? If that's not deliberate what is?
Lets assume that 30 touches today is the same as 25 touches previously. Seems about right to me. That is an increase of 20% on the figures previously.
20% on top of Simpsons early figures are still not up to Polsons figures.
Not sure if that is a fair assumption, but I think there is a certain level of subjectiveness about the comparison that makes it tough anyway (different positions, Simpson wasnt exactly playing in a team of kids, even though he was one whilst Polson is, and whether or not that made it easier or harder for him to get more of the ball, etc).
FWIW, i was never saying Polson is going to be as good as simpson, or had a better start to his career or whatever.
Simply stating that it is too early to make a definitive call on Polson based solely on his possession count at this stage, which some people are doing.
I know, and I am sure thats not what you were trying to say either, and largely this discussion is born from us agreeing on premise, hence why I said there was merit in your underlying point.
Charlie Curnow free to play this weekend....downgraded to a $2000 fine!!!!
Lucky boy ....
Charlie Curnow free to play this weekend....downgraded to a $2000 fine!!!!
Good news.
Is our luck turning?
Is our luck turning?
Where is the conspiracy nut?
The AFL dropped the ball on this. Surely we are to be used as an example at every opportunity?
:P
I wonder if the present downgrade is some kind of "rebalancing of justice", following Charlie's hysteria charged suspension for giving the umpire tickles and cuddles ?
I'm having a lot of trouble with what constitutes intentional. I'd have have given him a week, but Howe SHOULD have received three and Zac Jones at least one, so getting off with a fine for Charlie is about right. That said, the balancing is wrong.
May should have got two for the late, high, INTENTIONAL bump.
Charlie Curnow free to play this weekend....downgraded to a $2000 fine!!!!
I think that's fair enough, particularly with the push that propelled him into May.
I wonder if the present downgrade is some kind of "rebalancing of justice", following Charlie's hysteria charged suspension for giving the umpire tickles and cuddles ?
I think that I suggested that Charlie and Ed would have something in the bank following Dusty's exoneration after more severe contact with an umpire.
I think that I suggested that Charlie and Ed would have something in the bank following Dusty's exoneration after more severe contact with an umpire.
Funny how the AFL were happy to let the nonsense play out when it was Ed Curnow missing a week - but as soon as it was the brownlow medalist suddenly they got all forgetful in having changed the rule mid season and not told anyone about it.... great work from Gil... the big dumb bouffant.