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We are supposed to play Sydney next Sunday (12th July) at the MCG at 1535.
However, that makes some assumptions that I doubt will hold.
I can't see the Swans coming to Victoria.
We are supposed to get at least a week's notice if we are shunted into a hub somewhere other than Victoria.

I truly have no idea if this fixture is going to be played as scheduled. But I would like to see us bounce back after last night's debacle.

Sounds likely we'll be in Sydney now.

Sounds likely we'll be in Sydney now.

 Tough gig after this week.

Nup, Queensland.   Typically magnanimous presser speech from their premier..... Not.

Indeed. According to the ABC we'll be based on the Gold Coast for the rest of the year.
Who and when we will be playing has not been released yet.  :'(   :'(

Wherever we end up and whoever we play doesn't worry me. I worry about how many we end up taking to the hub. If we limit the number we take then my hopes of a few getting dropped before the next game will be dashed.
Really hope we take a good number so we can at least give a couple of others a go.

Dogs at 6.45pm next Sunday at Metricon then Port at 1.05pm Sunday at the Gabba the following Sunday.

Looks like the Bulldogs now Sunday night in Qld, our new hub, followed by Port.

L L W W L L L

The next big question will be....will any of the side elect not to go.

What a joke this is. 

Bulldogs, our mid-field needs to turn up. No Aaron Naughton. St.Kilda defeated Bulldogs by 39 points a couple of weeks ago. Not sure what means. We now have 9 days to prepare. Hope they use that time to get the attitude right.

The dogs' mids go BOO and our midfield packs their dacks.... Dogs by 6-8, easing up.

The dogs' mids go BOO and our midfield packs their dacks.... Dogs by 6-8, easing up.

Yep

Wherever we end up and whoever we play doesn't worry me. I worry about how many we end up taking to the hub. If we limit the number we take then my hopes of a few getting dropped before the next game will be dashed.
Really hope we take a good number so we can at least give a couple of others a go.

Surely everyone goes??

In: proper attitude
Out: poor attitude

The rest then looks after itself.

I won't be seeing the game live: I'll be heading back to Melbourne from Bendigo to start a new position at Fairhills High School. I just hope we're doing well enough that I want to see the replay.

I won't be seeing the game live: I'll be heading back to Melbourne from Bendigo to start a new position at Fairhills High School. I just hope we're doing well enough that I want to see the replay.

I might have to edit this with the new restrictions. Who knows what is going to happen?

Thank God the Blues are safe in Queensland!

I guess one consolation being in QLD is that the dimensions of the Gabba and Metricon are very similar to the G which we play ok at.

I might have to edit this with the new restrictions. Who knows what is going to happen?

Thank God the Blues are safe in Queensland!

Have you seen how Qld has been partying the last two weeks, and they are going to let thousands into the ground.

I'm hoping for the best, but this has bite us on the ar5e written all over it!

Have you seen how Qld has been partying the last two weeks, and they are going to let thousands into the ground.

I'm hoping for the best, but this has bite us on the ar5e written all over it!

Yep, we just might be the first state to get the heavy 2nd wave.

Its inevitable.  You can't hide forever.  This virus was always going to take hold eventually.  All we did was kick the can down the road.  Where I get concerned is that we are doing it again on the back of some very minute numbers.  Onve we were in 100 hospitalisation territory id understand but currently we have all of 30 people admitted.


Thats barely one ward across the state.

Its inevitable.  You can't hide forever.  This virus was always going to take hold eventually.  All we did was kick the can down the road.  Where I get concerned is that we are doing it again on the back of some very minute numbers.  Onve we were in 100 hospitalisation territory id understand but currently we have all of 30 people admitted.


Thats barely one ward across the state.

Firstly, I'm posting this in this thread because we are discussing the risks to opening games to the public, ours being one of them.
 
The growth of COVID-19 can be exponential Thry, the medical specialists know R₀ is not yet clearly defined for COVID-19 and sits somewhere well above 1.0. Influenza R₀ is typically 1.2 to 1.6, and COVID-19 might be above 2.0.

btw., For those not familiar, when you hear discussions that COVID-19 is 5x more infectious than Flu, you do not need the R₀ value to be 5x the Influenza R₀ for that to be true. For example growth rates under five cycles of infection;
Influenza (R₀ = 1.6) = 1.6^1.6 = 2.6^1.6 = 5.0^1.6 = 11^1.6 = 48
COVID-19 (R₀ = 2.0) = 2² = 4² = 16² = 256² = 65536

Such a small change in R₀ from 1.6 to 2.0 and the thing is out of control. You can understand why the medical specialists are so edgy about letting the reigns loose, keeping in mind they do not know what R₀ really is but from the history of cases so far R₀ for COVID-19 is higher than R₀ for Influenza.

Now keep in mind, these cycles seem to be taking at least 14 days, maybe longer to surface, five cycles is almost two months and if we were out of lock down the result could be catastrophic for hospitals in a time frame impossible for them to deal with.

Maybe the 14 days is not a useful figure for the number of days an infection takes to get hold, it looks like the real world figure could 21 to 28 days. In some respect they won't bother looking for latency beyond 14 days because that makes all sorts of things untenable, contact tracing for example becomes almost impossible beyond about 14 days, so instead they'll look to further refine R₀ to get some idea of rates. Finding a better R₀ is neither a cure or a prophylactic, but it tells them how long and aggressive they need to be in the planning.

Now what does all this mean for AFL. It means it's a completely unacceptable risk to allow patrons into games. Because if we get a brace of infections to players as a result of public exposure the season is over for everybody. There will be no way to differentiate those potentially infected from those exposed but not infected within the 14 day window, the 14 days is completely arbitrary and has more to do with what the public will accept as an isolation period rather than a valid quarantine period.

Firstly, I'm posting this in this thread because we are discussing the risks to opening games to the public, ours being one of them.
 
The growth of COVID-19 can be exponential Thry, the medical specialists know R₀ is not yet clearly defined for COVID-19 and sits somewhere well above 1.0. Influenza R₀ is typically 1.2 to 1.6, and COVID-19 might be above 2.0.

btw., For those not familiar, when you hear discussions that COVID-19 is 5x more infectious than Flu, you do not need the R₀ value to be 5x the Influenza R₀ for that to be true. For example growth rates under five cycles of infection;
Influenza (R₀ = 1.6) = 1.6^1.6 = 2.6^1.6 = 5.0^1.6 = 11^1.6 = 48
COVID-19 (R₀ = 2.0) = 2² = 4² = 16² = 256² = 65536

Such a small change in R₀ from 1.6 to 2.0 and the thing is out of control. You can understand why the medical specialists are so edgy about letting the reigns loose, keeping in mind they do not know what R₀ really is but from the history of cases so far R₀ for COVID-19 is higher than R₀ for Influenza.

Now keep in mind, these cycles seem to be taking at least 14 days, maybe longer to surface, five cycles is almost two months and if we were out of lock down the result could be catastrophic for hospitals in a time frame impossible for them to deal with.

Maybe the 14 days is not a useful figure for the number of days an infection takes to get hold, it looks like the real world figure could 21 to 28 days. In some respect they won't bother looking for latency beyond 14 days because that makes all sorts of things untenable, contact tracing for example becomes almost impossible beyond about 14 days, so instead they'll look to further refine R₀ to get some idea of rates. Finding a better R₀ is neither a cure or a prophylactic, but it tells them how long and aggressive they need to be in the planning.

Now what does all this mean for AFL. It means it's a completely unacceptable risk to allow patrons into games. Because if we get a brace of infections to players as a result of public exposure the season is over for everybody. There will be no way to differentiate those potentially infected from those exposed but not infected within the 14 day window, the 14 days is completely arbitrary and has more to do with what the public will accept as an isolation period rather than a valid quarantine period.

Thank you, Spotted One. Makes you realise, in one respect, just what a diabolical powder keg the orange weasel has lit in the US with his breathtaking ignorance.

Thank you, Spotted One. Makes you realise, in one respect, just what a diabolical powder keg the orange weasel has lit in the US with his breathtaking ignorance.

Just an FYI Baggers.

What I've written above is a gross simplification, the real infection rate is usually a complex calculation with many terms that relate to latency, transmission, networking, longevity, etc., etc..

It's also important to note that these figures are for infections in the wild, the reported R₀ doesn't apply to a hospital with everyone using PPE and having wards in isolation, so it's more relevant to how a infection might transmit at a crowded sporting event than in day to day living under restrictions. The restrictions change the R₀, it is a feedback loop, which is something the cynics seem to conveniently forget.

The truth sits somewhere between a Fibonacci sequence(2,4,8,16,32,64,128.....) and a growth curve like e^x (2.7, 7.4, 20, 54, 148, 408, 1096,.......). The important point to remember is that the growth is exponential based on a complex network of connectivity and intervals, so it's a curve like acceleration under gravity, not a straight line.

You'll get over simplification in the media, things like people trying to tell you R₀ means one person infects 2, the Fibonacci explanation, but that is not the real world scenario, they are just doing there best to make it understandable and manageable. But it's also a simple model scientists use to understand the behaviour, using numbers they can adjust to get a curve to fit the apparent circumstances. Thry will tell you from his IT background that network complexity doesn't grow by a Fibonacci sequence, modelling growth is far more complex.

When you hear the medical experts talking about the potential for 3000 cases a day, you know the infection rate is part of an exponential growth curve.

Who are we playing again?
It seems to have been lost somewhere ...

Who are we playing again?
It seems to have been lost somewhere ...

 :)

Woof woof ! Grrrr................

All I'd like to see are player black armbands (double) in honour of a #17 champion and a fine man

Firstly, I'm posting this in this thread because we are discussing the risks to opening games to the public, ours being one of them.
 
The growth of COVID-19 can be exponential Thry, the medical specialists know R₀ is not yet clearly defined for COVID-19 and sits somewhere well above 1.0. Influenza R₀ is typically 1.2 to 1.6, and COVID-19 might be above 2.0.

btw., For those not familiar, when you hear discussions that COVID-19 is 5x more infectious than Flu, you do not need the R₀ value to be 5x the Influenza R₀ for that to be true. For example growth rates under five cycles of infection;
Influenza (R₀ = 1.6) = 1.6^1.6 = 2.6^1.6 = 5.0^1.6 = 11^1.6 = 48
COVID-19 (R₀ = 2.0) = 2² = 4² = 16² = 256² = 65536

Such a small change in R₀ from 1.6 to 2.0 and the thing is out of control. You can understand why the medical specialists are so edgy about letting the reigns loose, keeping in mind they do not know what R₀ really is but from the history of cases so far R₀ for COVID-19 is higher than R₀ for Influenza.

Now keep in mind, these cycles seem to be taking at least 14 days, maybe longer to surface, five cycles is almost two months and if we were out of lock down the result could be catastrophic for hospitals in a time frame impossible for them to deal with.

Maybe the 14 days is not a useful figure for the number of days an infection takes to get hold, it looks like the real world figure could 21 to 28 days. In some respect they won't bother looking for latency beyond 14 days because that makes all sorts of things untenable, contact tracing for example becomes almost impossible beyond about 14 days, so instead they'll look to further refine R₀ to get some idea of rates. Finding a better R₀ is neither a cure or a prophylactic, but it tells them how long and aggressive they need to be in the planning.

Now what does all this mean for AFL. It means it's a completely unacceptable risk to allow patrons into games. Because if we get a brace of infections to players as a result of public exposure the season is over for everybody. There will be no way to differentiate those potentially infected from those exposed but not infected within the 14 day window, the 14 days is completely arbitrary and has more to do with what the public will accept as an isolation period rather than a valid quarantine period.

Oops daily cases fell to 130 odd - so much for exponential growth.  C:-)

Funny how all the 'expert' modelling has been so wildly wrong....from the get go.

Why?

Because the experts (Bill Gates? ROFL):

1. over estimated the R₀ wildly.
2. underestimated the population that already been infected (it was clearly out and about in many countries, likely here too, well before the experts thought)
3. underestimated the existing immunity in the population.

Keep taking pot shots LP....

https://off-guardian.org/2020/07/07/second-wave-not-even-close/?fbclid=IwAR2XpRYPrGvkU6mNyw37PDRDKBnAt6WafqR7d7ZM-yihqWWLLHqj_n2TFHg

Oops daily cases fell to 130 odd - so much for exponential growth.  C:-)

Already addressed in my post, everybody who reads my posts will see that your comments are "wildy" inaccurate. ;)

3. underestimated the existing immunity in the population.

There is no existing community immunity, that is fake news.

The science reports dishearteningly that antibodies only appear to persist in recovered patients for a little as 2 months, greatly diminishing the chance of ever finding a long term vaccine. It's not like measles or chicken pox.

We shouldn't be surprised, the "Fakies" keep referring to the COVID-19 as the Flu. But the "Fakies" have missed the point because most people never get the Flu as it's infection rate is so low by comparison to a common cold or COVID-19.

COVID-19 has an infection rate similar to the common cold, and lots of people get a cold every season and tell people they have "got the Flu", I hope they never get the Flu because they won't call a cold the Flu ever again, and they should hope like hell they never get COVID-19.

Perhaps you should move to Sweden and give them some of your COVID-19 advice, except it seems they already took it! 10 Million people, 5,500 deaths!

Can we please stop hijacking threads with Covid stuff please.

Back to this Sunday's game...

Just saw an awful sight that filled me with pessimism toward Sunday's outcome. I watched the boys training up north in the sun and there was Barker giving players instructions... 😭 😔 😔

Back to this Sunday's game...

Just saw an awful sight that filled me with pessimism toward Sunday's outcome. I watched the boys training up north in the sun and there was Barker giving players instructions... 😭 😔 😔

Hopefully, Johnny has explained to Teague that we need plans to cover Cripps and Docherty being tagged ... and I don't mean shifting Cripps forward or relying on the other mids to fill the void.

Can we please stop hijacking threads with Covid stuff please.

Absolutely!  We have a perfectly good COVID thread and it's a pain in the butt moving posts  ::)

Lin Jong, Bailey Smith, Laitham Vandermeer, and Hayden Crozier all definitely or highly likely to miss, Lachie Hunter highly likely to return.

Handy outs which will definitely help our cause.

.....and Hunter has to be underdone.

As long as we take them seriously, not just allow their mids to run around on their own! That was one of the things that irritated me so much about our football under Bolts.

Can we please stop hijacking threads with Covid stuff please.

Sorry, this site is very hard to navigate around.

I didn't realise this was being posted in the pre game thread!

As long as we take them seriously, not just allow their mids to run around on their own! That was one of the things that irritated me so much about our football under Bolts.

Given their previous few weeks the Dogs have used Bontempelli as the tagger rather than trying to free him up so I would expect him to go to Cripps and maybe rotate with Macrae. Libba will get Walsh IMO and I would expect Martin to attract a tagger as well.
We need to make sure we dont let players like Daniel, Lipinksi, West to slip under the radar and run around with no attention...

.....and Hunter has to be underdone.

LH lives very close by. Keep running into him walking his golden retriever.

He always looks very sheepish!

Ask him if he knows any good panel beaters.

And no Naughton helps too. Just saw the team lists and Fisher one of 4 potential ins alongside Kennedy, Polson and Moore....so no Jack Silvagni again. Surely Polson and Moore are miles off getting a game...unless there's an injury or two that aren't being revealed? With some half decent ball movement we should be able to take advantage with McKay, McGovern AND Casboult up forward. Might be that Betts is rested for this one.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/740088/extended-squad-four-inclusions-named

And no Naughton helps too. Just saw the team lists and Fisher one of 4 potential ins alongside Kennedy, Polson and Moore....so no Jack Silvagni again. Surely Polson and Moore are miles off getting a game...unless there's an injury or two that aren't being revealed? With some half decent ball movement we should be able to take advantage with McKay, McGovern AND Casboult up forward. Might be that Betts is rested for this one.

Perhaps they are getting ready to rotate players through the 5 day turnarounds that are about to begin.

Backs: Sam Docherty Liam Jones Lachie Plowman
Half-backs: Tom Williamson Jacob Weitering Sam Petrevski-Seton
Centreline: Jack Newnes Patrick Cripps Marc Murphy
Half-forwards: Sam Walsh Levi Casboult Michael Gibbons
Forwards: Will Setterfield Jack Martin Eddie Betts
Followers: Marc Pittonet David Cuningham Ed Curnow
Interchange from: Kade Simpson Harry McKay Mitch McGovern Matthew Kennedy Zac Fisher Sam Philp Cameron Polson Callum Moore

Newnes needs to do more, I think. He isn't getting enough of the ball. However, he isn't making a lot of mistakes either. But if he only gets it 12 times, he isn't providing drive.
H has to be under the pump. He hasn't been doing much. Moore just might get a game because he does the negative things and helps to keep the ball in the forward line. I am not overly impressed by him as a player, but when H and the Gov are not doing the job, we would be stupid not to consider our options.
It will be raining on the Gold Coast: is that a reason to bring in Kennedy? he has been playing well for the 2's.

Backs: Sam Docherty Liam Jones Lachie Plowman
Half-backs: Tom Williamson Jacob Weitering Sam Petrevski-Seton
Centreline: Jack Newnes Patrick Cripps Marc Murphy
Half-forwards: Sam Walsh Levi Casboult Michael Gibbons
Forwards: Will Setterfield Jack Martin Eddie Betts
Followers: Marc Pittonet David Cuningham Ed Curnow
Interchange from: Kade Simpson Harry McKay Mitch McGovern Matthew Kennedy Zac Fisher Sam Philp Cameron Polson Callum Moore

Newnes needs to do more, I think. He isn't getting enough of the ball. However, he isn't making a lot of mistakes either. But if he only gets it 12 times, he isn't providing drive.
H has to be under the pump. He hasn't been doing much. Moore just might get a game because he does the negative things and helps to keep the ball in the forward line. I am not overly impressed by him as a player, but when H and the Gov are not doing the job, we would be stupid not to consider our options.
It will be raining on the Gold Coast: is that a reason to bring in Kennedy? he has been playing well for the 2's.

Moore is a worker and doenst have the talent of McGovern but the pressure has risen on McGovern in the media from people like Mark Maclure and he might be getting a holiday. Easton Wood is the intercept king and the Guv never chased or manned Wilkie last week and it cost us and Moore or Kennedy might come in to replace him.
Polson....tackles well but offers little else..

Moore is a worker and doenst have the talent of McGovern but the pressure has risen on McGovern in the media from people like Mark Maclure and he might be getting a holiday. Easton Wood is the intercept king and the Guv never chased or manned Wilkie last week and it cost us and Moore or Kennedy might come in to replace him.
Polson....tackles well but offers little else..

Yep Polson and Moore are VFL players at best and I’d expect that Fisher and Kennedy would be the next cabs of the rank. I’d like to see Honey and/or Stocker but they don’t appear to be in favour.

Plowman survives again.

I hope that Teague instructs Liam Jones not to attempt to switch play unless there is no opposition player within 30 metres of his intended target.  Liam’s preferred options should be going down the line or handpassing.

^^

I dont think there should be a hard and fast rule surrounding these actions.

At the time we were doing it, there was a clear plan to try and take the game on and go up the ground through the corridor.

It unfortunately killed the game off, but you need to back players to be able to make the decision to be bold when the game is there to be won.

There is no point chastising someone for the bad outcome.  No one wants that outcome.   going down the line wasnt exactly yielding results, as Levi, Mckay and Mcgovern were not impacting contests either.

The way I saw it, we were trying to win.  I think this shouldnt be condemned.

Thry, it’s not the intention that’s at fault, it’s the execution.

Jones lacks the skill and/or judgement to execute precise kicks into or across the corridor.  Weitering, Docherty and, more often than not, Plowman, Simmo, Samo and Willo can do it. 

Utilise your strengths and cover your deficiencies 🙂

^^

I actually think he can (ive seen him do it).

The problem isnt whether or not players can or cannot.  Its working out when they should.  Thats what a coach should teach them.  When the game is running away from you, the time to do it from even your worse players is then.  Why?  Because going down the line is what is expected from them.  If they elect not to that is ok too, but the opposition will expect Liam not to attempt to go down the corridor, or switch the play and he will be able to take them by surprise in a situation where the risks are actually not that high because the game is already slipping away.  So continue being bold, and hopefully it will be pay off.

This is what seperates a premiership team from an also ran by the way.  Its not necessarily about strengths and weaknesses and trying to bridge the gap between them, its about knowing when to play to your strengths, and knowing when its ok to use your weaknesses.

That’s fine Thry but it’s better than even money that Jones will kick to the opposition’s advantage and cough up a goal.

You’re right about learning when they should and, in Liam’s case, it’s when his target has 30 metres on the opposition.

Alright, I’m exaggerating but Jones should never try to pinpoint a kick to a closely guarded teammate.

The club has hinted that Moore will be part of the final squad, i.e. we are likely to see a debutante on Sunday, and he's the only one on the list.  Bye, bye Gov I would say.  

Bye, bye Gov I would say.  

Teague has confirmed that McGovern will be in the 22.

If it's wet as some have indicated and Moore is an IN, then I'm tipping McKay to be dropped...along with possibly Philp and maybe Newnes....with Moore, Kennedy and Fisher in?

Moore is on standby for Mckay being ok...not sure what his problem is..
McGovern is in the team, last chance for him IMO or he will be dropped.
I think he will lift and play a good game maybe in a different role down back..

If it's wet on Sunday then I can't see the logic in playing all 3 of McKay, Levi and McGovern. Mind you I couldn't see the logic in playing Darcy Lang against Melbourne.

Back to this Sunday's game...

Just saw an awful sight that filled me with pessimism toward Sunday's outcome. I watched the boys training up north in the sun and there was Barker giving players instructions... 😭 😔 😔

Teague fractured his ankle at training. lol Oops.

That'd be why Barker stepped up.

One change. Kennedy for Philp.

One change. Kennedy for Philp.

Opinion or fact?

What about Fisher?

EDIT: Apparantly fact.

Why did we name Fisher last week, only for a late out, and he not come up again 1 week later??
Doesn't make sense for me.

Happy with the team named though.
Kennedy banged the door down.
Philp has shown a couple of good things, but by no means is he best 22 yet.

We are trying to win this game....and so we should!

Opinion or fact?

What about Fisher?

Official.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/740638/final-teams-blues-make-one-change

Official.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/740638/final-teams-blues-make-one-change

You missed my edit. ;)

Heard on the tv news that Harry is ill and unlikely to play Sunday.

Silvagni ill, Fisher ill, McKay ill......do we have a catering problem!!!

Corona??

Silvagni ill, Fisher ill, McKay ill......do we have a catering problem!!!

That last one may be a blessing in disguise.
Might've been too tall otherwise.

Silvagni ill, Fisher ill, McKay ill......do we have a catering problem!!!

Apparently we share the breakfast area with the Dishlickers... subterfuge? 😉😁

Apparently we share the breakfast area with the Dishlickers... subterfuge? 😉😁

Distemper outbreak??

Harry ill?   Saves him from being dropped.

Apparently we share the breakfast area with the Dishlickers... subterfuge? 😉😁

Parvo?

Harry ill?   Saves him from being dropped.

I'd play him sick, no different to last week.

Parvo?

🤣 🤣 🤣  Now that got a good belly laugh here, GTC.

I'd play him sick, no different to last week.

You're in good form today, GTC. Another 🤣 🤣 here...

You're in good form today, GTC. Another 🤣 🤣 here...

Im getting old, bitter and twisted with a hint of impatience Baggers Ol Boy.

Looks like Hunter is in. While he may be undergone, I'd be more interested in Bont and his right hand man, Smith. Smith is developing quickly into a solid hard-at-it mid. We missed out on that type in recent years 😕
Ed will need to be on point imo. He plays an important role for our midfield.

Stakes are pretty high now for this game, well, they always were but the scenario is: for the Dishlickers if they win - top 4. For us, a loss could plunge us to 17th!

Huge win could see us go as high as 7th though, to be realistic, an average win would see us around 10th to 11th. A bad loss could see the Dishlickers fall to 12th!

Plenty at stake in this one.

They'll be playing clown music today. We have the least skilled side in the competition and it's going to be wet and greasy. You do the maths on what is likely to be showcased today...

A bigger pack of minimally skilled players has never been assembled with such high draft picks in the history of the game. Congratulations Carlton on at least achieving that feat...  ::)

They'll be playing clown music today. We have the least skilled side in the competition and it's going to be wet and greasy. You do the maths on what is likely to be showcased today...

A bigger pack of minimally skilled players has never been assembled with such high draft picks in the history of the game. Congratulations Carlton on at least achieving that feat...  ::)

You wanted the skilled ones traded out!  :P

I'd play him sick, no different to last week.

Harsh G2C ... but too close to the mark  :(

Harry doing the warm up in the rooms, so tipping he is playing.

You wanted the skilled ones traded out!  :P

Ummm, which skilled individuals are you referring to? For the life of me we haven't had one at the club for over a decade...  :(

Ummm, which skilled individuals are you referring to? For the life of me we haven't had one at the club for over a decade...  :(

Gibbs was about our best user of the ball over the past decade.

Gibbs was about our best user of the ball over the past decade.

And there you have it. If he was the best, that's why we have been a joke for as long as we have been. He was a joke and Adelaide have discovered that...

And there you have it. If he was the best, that's why we have been a joke for as long as we have been. He was a joke and Adelaide have discovered that...

And Houlihan before him. ;)

The fact Adelaide are not playing him is a joke.....like the rest of the club currently.
I've never seen a club implode like they have in such a short time. Makes our dark years look good by contrast.

Foot skills in a strong, aggressive body is like a unicorn. If you find one, let me know.

You trade foot skills for inside aggression. You don't get both.