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Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Professer E on
We need to start winning clearances, our small forwards are average and I've no confidence in our small defenders with Saad missing

Won plenty of clearances out of the center, only problem was that as we got going and tried to handball to an outside runner some Adelaide player got a hand to it and chopped it off. I saw Ranking do it a few times. I'd have him in my team any day of the week. Head and shoulders above anyone else on our team for that role other than Martin and he's never on the park much.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #76 –
Quote from: Lods on
I must have missed something
Thought Cincotta would have been a better option to replace Cerra rather than Pittonet but....

Wasn't picked.
Not Playing VFL
Not on the injury list.

He was an emergency.
I thought he HAD to be picked as our 24th player (instead of Pittonet) because you couldn't include Pittonet.

....and yes, i did crack it when i heard.

In the end, i don't know what happened to Cincotta, so maybe he had a late injury?

Going back to who should've played instead of Pitto.....play Carroll as the 22 and bring in a different sub. I think Cowan was the 3rd option from our emergencies and if Cincotta wasn't available, then Cowan should've been it. Would've been perfect in the end since we lost a HBF.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #77 –
Pretty disappointing result all round. How it ended was how it looked like it was going to end all day. The goal call in the third quarter was wrong but didn't cost us the game. Owies missing running into an open goal and the mix up down back when the ball bounced between two players and led to a goal were the killers. There were a number of times when we got in one another's way and missing set shots thirty meters out didn't help. I thought we were the better team except when they got the ball and we weren't able to stop them. Their ball movement was quite slick at times. I am not sure the umpires did us any favours, maybe after last week they wanted to be hypercritical or us to demonstrate they are not bias towards us. In the end we failed to do the simple things well when it counted.
I believe you need 30 players on your list you can rely on to win a flag. At the start of the year I thought we had 33 and after the first game I thought Carroll made 34. With Silvagni and Docherty out we have 32. For next week's game, Cerra, Fogarty, Motlop, McGovern, Martin, Cuningham and Saad are unavailable with doubts on Marchbank, Cincotta and Big Durdin. Young is likely to come into the side if Marchbank is unavailable and Cowan, who I have at 35, could come in if Cincotta is unavailable. We are starting to get down into the young guys of Binns, Moir and Lemmey.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #78 –
Quote from: Blue Moon on
We are starting to get down into the young guys of Binns, Moir and Lemmey.

Moir was injured late in the VFL game.
Looked a bit upset.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #79 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 on
Yep. Was sitting next to an Adelaide supporter and said the same thing to me. Just loves playing against us.
Had a bad feeling going into the game and had a Carlton supporter,  say to me while walking to the ground, we got this.
That just about sealed it for me that this was not going to be a good day.


Crows are our Achilles heel.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #80 –
Quote from: Baggers on
bringing in Pitto only weakened TDK (selection table stuff-up)

Replacing Cerra (a strong both-ways midfielder) with Pitto was dumb - not that Pitto played badly but it upset team balance.

It also reduced TDK's opportunity to influence the game and kept McKay from having a run on the ball, thereby lessening his opportunity to influence the game.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #81 –
Quote from: crashlander on
allowed the Adelaide forwards far too much space.
Walker seems to have Weitering beaten between the ears.

Credit the Cows' game plan and the lack of pressure on kickers from our midfielders (without Cerra). 

Weitering consistently zoned off Walker by a ridiculously wide margin (and lacked the closing speed to even get to the contests) in the hope of being in charge of the defence but the unpressured Cows easily bypassed him with precise kicking to position.  Walker is not a great overhead mark and the faster Kemp would have been a much better match up.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #82 –
The two Ruck option is not just a matter of replacing a tall for a more mobile mid/forward/defender.
It's a little more complicated than that.
There are a number of other variables that come into play.
There is a flow on effect for multiple other positions.
The roles played by TDK, Harry, even Kennedy change to some extent.
Of course that can have an impact on performance
Initially that can be unsettling to a side.
If it's to be persisted with it's something that would take time to fine tune.
The alternative is to scrap it completely and consign one ruck to a season of VFL

Given all that.
And also given the understanding that a ruck on the bench reduced mid-field rotations, which was further complicated by injuries.

Pittonet played 50% of the game.
TDK played 75%
Was there a difference in our effectiveness or style of play in the lengthy times when one ruck was off the ground?
For much of the game we did play only one ruck.




 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #83 –
Quote from: RiverRat on
Replacing Cerra (a strong both-ways midfielder) with Pitto was dumb - not that Pitto played badly but it upset team balance.

It also reduced TDK's opportunity to influence the game and kept McKay from having a run on the ball, thereby lessening his opportunity to influence the game.

Spot on!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #84 –
Quote from: Lods on
The two Ruck option is not just a matter of replacing a tall for a more mobile mid/forward/defender.
It's a little more complicated than that.
There are a number of other variables that come into play.
There is a flow on effect for multiple other positions.
The roles played by TDK, Harry, even Kennedy change to some extent.
Of course that can have an impact on performance
Initially that can be unsettling to a side.
If it's to be persisted with it's something that would take time to fine tune.
The alternative is to scrap it completely and consign one ruck to a season of VFL

Given all that.
And also given the understanding that a ruck on the bench reduced mid-field rotations, which was further complicated by injuries.

Pittonet played 50% of the game.
TDK played 75%
Was there a difference in our effectiveness or style of play in the lengthy times when one ruck was off the ground?
For much of the game we did play only one ruck.

Firstly, given the injuries we had, and still only played 2 rucks for a half and 3/4's of a game, it showed how little we used 2 rucks at once.

There was a ruck off the ground for 3/4's of the game.
The question should be, watching the game, can you tell if/when we had 2 rucks on the ground?
There didn't appear to be any on-field benefit to having 2 rucks. Its hard to quantify how much it hurt us by having 2 rucks.
But, what is clear is that we took up a large part of the game, 3'4s to be exact, with a ruck on the pine. That time would've been better suited to a smaller (mid/flanker type) as that 50%* game time would've been better off sharing between 10 other mid/flanker types. (*50% rather than 75% because TDK would still have 75% game time, so we only gain Pittonets time on the bench).

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #85 –
What I learned at the footy on Saturday:

1.  Sam Walsh is an absolute star.  He looked sharp in the warm up, started the game well and got better as the game wore on.  Brent Harvey worked with Sam's cohort prior to the draft and, although there was a lot of talent, he always felt that Sam's work ethic would make him the best of the bunch.  He's not wrong!

2.  Jacob Weitering conceded the ball to Tex Walker on too many occasions.  I'm not sure why but Weiters didn't go with him or gave up on the contest.

3.  I no longer have any understanding of the rules of the game or how the game is officiated.

3.  I know a lot of Carlton supporters think that Nathan Williamson is always against us but Andrew Adair took it to a whole new level.

4.  There may be games where it makes sense to have Pittonet and De Koning in the 22.  Playing the Crows isn't one of them.

5.  Not many supporters, or at least those in my row, can watch a quarter of footy without having to get up for a slash, drink or what passes for food.

6.  Don't count your chickens before the fat lady sings.

7.  When you're travelling on an unfamiliar train line, check whether you need to change trains  ::)

I really don't know how we lost that game.  We should have won comfortably but poor kicking for goal let us down and unbelievable accuracy from the Crows got them over the line.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #86 –
Quote from: DJC on
7.  When you're travelling on an unfamiliar train line, check whether you need to change trains  ::)

Hurstbridge / Mernda ??

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #87 –
Kicking for goal was simply atrocious, 14.14 to 16.4 cannot be tolerated.

Durdin & Fantasia are always passengers, Acres has gone backwards, Boyd is grossly over-rated, Owies is inconsistent & Williams was a complete lost cause.

We are kidding ourselves if we think 50/50 players are going to take us to the promised land. Our best is very good but we have to play at that level every week for the full 100-minutes.

Extremely disappointed ..... make that embarrassed, by that performance.

Clearly we did not learn a thing from last week's fortutitous win. Our players were only too happy to rejoice & backslap each other for a win we didn't deserve when they should have been harder at it this week to show they deserved the benefit of that brain-fade. 
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #88 –
Coach votes

Round 5 votes:

9 - Sam Walsh (CARL)
9 - Izak Rankine (ADEL)
5 - Taylor Walker (ADEL)
3 - Jake Soligo (ADEL)
2 - Ben Keays (ADEL)
1 - Mitchell Hinge (ADEL)
1 - Charlie Curnow (CARL)

 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #89 –
Quote from: LordLucifer on
Kicking for goal was simply atrocious, 14.14 to 16.4 cannot be tolerated.
In fairness, we did have 5 rushed behinds (they had 0)
So it was essentially 14.9 to 16.4, and we had at least 1 hit the post, and 1 go down as touched when it was a goal. So its not so bad when you dive down into it.

It was more of a case of them not being able to miss more than it was our bad kicking.