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Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #60 –
Quote from: shawny on
Thought both whipping boys Young and Boyd competed well and held their own.

Williams slotted in like he hasnt missed a beat - gave us ran out of back 50 and uses it well even when in traffic. Has very good vision and does'nt panic

Still cant warm to Fantasia. I trust Voss and will hopefully later in the season will see why we got him in.
I felt Fantasia was much more involved than Owies.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
wins free kicks for looking in his direction too
I reckon the game was very well umpired last night. I thought we got the rub of the green and the ball bounced our way quite a few times also.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #62 –
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Fogarty's forward defensive pressure was really good.
9 tackles was our best for the night.
Ollie Hollands was quiet, but he had 8 as well.
 

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #63 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
I felt Fantasia was much more involved than Owies.
Agree. Fantasia's smarts and disposal in tight were influential. Owies was probably our only 'not quite up to it' player.
Hollands, whose tireless work; defensive work, was terrific... however, he's got to become less fumbly and surer with his hands.
Crippa, Cera & Hewett were outstanding. Really well supported by Chugga and J Carroll - who looked like he belonged. Announced himself.
Good to see Cunners going in hard with his body at times when required.
Entire back-line deserves plaudits. (Pleasantly surprised by Young. Kempy tough and hard).
TDK's work was great. Hard at it. 2nd/3rd efforts, terrific.
H... silenced the glib and shallow critics in the best way possible.
Fogarty... tougher than a cat's head. Valuable. When he tackles someone, they remain tackled.
47pt turnaround speaks for itself about belief, persistence, endeavour, pressure and connection... when we bring our 'brand.'

Kinda feels like a 'bonus' 4pts considering where we played, conditions and an elite opposition. Go Blues!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #64 –
Loved how we mixed up ruck contests a little... bravo to whoever thought of this... well done H, Chugga and Crippa.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #65 –
Quote from: kruddler on
The debate has always been about what is best for the team and team balance.

Pitto and TDK compliment eachother and make eachother better.
....but at the expense of more run and carry.

Against Brisbane, who are the kings of run, carry and fast ball movement, you simply cannot afford the luxury of 2 rucks.
Against lesser teams, you can carry 2 rucks and still be good enough. You could swap TDK and Pitto and ensure you don't burn one out as well.

But ultimately, you will win more games with the team balance we had last night than you will with 2 rucks against the better teams.

The only question mark is over the 'injury to #1 ruck' during the game and how that could have an effect on the result.
Over the course of the year, that may cost you a win.
Over the course of the year, playing 2 rucks will probably cost you more than 1 win.

Play the odds, play 1 ruck.

I'm more a one ruck fan. Whether Harry is great in the ruck or not i'm not so worried. He kills it around the ground and take him away from the confines of the goalsquare. That is more valuable plus it seems to do him good like it did for Levi. Then you can pick an extra runner.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #66 –
Round zero specialists. Never been beaten in round nothing..lol.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #67 –
Quote from: laj on
I'm more a one ruck fan. Whether Harry is great in the ruck or not i'm not so worried. He kills it around the ground and take him away from the confines of the goalsquare. That is more valuable plus it seems to do him good like it did for Levi. Then you can pick an extra runner.
Harry's a +200cm lightning fast KPF who takes contested marks in F50 when the heat is on, late in the game when TDK was rucking and we wanted to put heat around the footy he was even roving the stoppages at speed to bring a physical presence.

But after the game his first comment when asked about rucking was his shins are sore, and sore shins are a pre-cursor to a knee(PCL) and even a minor PCL will smash acceleration.

Like Cripps use him in the F50 at throw ins and ball ups, but the centre square stuff send chills down my spine, the benefit is so small and the risk is so high!

We will divide up ruck duties across the season, there will be weeks when pace isn't the priority issue, and it was clearly the issue last finals and last night, we even mentioned it in the pre-game thread that some of the selections can be explained by a need for pace. Other weeks we'll want size or strength around stoppages or a ruck option that floats a kick behind or into D50 which Pitto does far better than others.

So it mostly depends more on opposition strengths and weaknesses, more than our own, as we now have depth we can leverage. We won't become formulaic, because if we do we are predictable and that is the worst thing an AFL team can be.
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #68 –
great we won with a bit of luck lions kick 1 goal 6 ,they had 61 f 50 entries ,for me there is so many areas that has not changed from past, that really makes our game plan so predictable but a 1pt win covers everything i suppose.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #69 –
Playing Brisbane at the Gabba is the hardest game in football - we won't need to see that ground again minimum 12 months if we finish top two

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #70 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 on
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why

That's understandable IMO. He was in full defence mode. As you would if you watched that freight train run through your best side. Be defensive. Fear Carlton 💪 It all plays positively into the psychology of our winning culture.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #71 –
Quote from: LoveNavy on
That's understandable IMO. He was in full defence mode. As you would if you watched that freight train run through your best side. Be defensive. Fear Carlton 💪 It all plays positively into the psychology of our winning culture.

Yes, I'm sure Fagan was thinking, "How will we go against this mob when they have Weitering, Walsh, Martin and Motlop back?"
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 on
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
Agree....Lions had no excuses, we were down on key troops and they were at their fortress where they usually win....no premiership for Brisbane this season and he will be looking for a job at seasons end imo.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #73 –
Quote from: DJC on
Yes, I'm sure Fagan was thinking, "How will we go against this mob when they have Weitering, Walsh, Martin and Motlop back?"
Its interesting with those players being high quality automatics most weeks but the smaller lineup with extra pace vs Brisbane seem to work well and that quartet would make us a lot slower and probably alter Brisbane's tactics.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #74 –
I think that only diehard supporters, the coaches and the playing group thought that a win was possible, particularly in Brisbane and with the conditions during the game.

We had some moments in the first quarter but they were overshadowed by our errors and Brisbane's ability to make us pay.  The second quarter started off the same way but we worked our way back into the game and the momentum was with us at half time.  The premiership quarter was ours and we showed great character and resilience to to get the lead back and protect it in an even last quarter.

Young, Kemp, Newman, Saad, McGovern, Boyd and Williams were under immense pressure but they all stuck to their guns and can be very proud of their efforts.  And Charlie Curnow did well in his brief defensive cameo.  It's easy to see why Vossy was so keen to get Williams back in the team.  Youngy and Kempy were under the pump from some supporters but both answered their critics in fine style.

Tom De Koning was outstanding in the ruck but he seemed to tire in the last quarter and the Big O got back into the game.  If Tom's game is any guide, Pitto will have limited opportunities this season.  Harry McKay's work as second ruck was very good and he negated Daniher in what has become an important part of the latter's game.  Harry taking clean possession twice at centre bounces is not really what you'd expect from a part time ruckman and his presence around the ground was very influential.  He did concede post game that he may have to start wearing a shin guard.

Carroll was good when he came on and it was good to see him thrown straight into the thick of it; if you're good enough to make the 23, you're good enough to go straight to the coalface.

Owies looked short of a gallop and I though that he and Fantasia were the least effective of our forwards.  Fogarty, Cuningham and Cottrell all made solid contributions.

I was a bit concerned about Ollie Hollands as he seemed very fumbly and lacking confidence.  However, he tackled often and with intent and that 's a positive.

Harry answered his critics with some excellent kicking for goal and very good field kicking.  It was interesting to hear Charlie have a crack at the media for their unhealthy interest in Harry's kicking.  Vossy went even further in his presser and it will be a brave reporter who dares to ask him the next question about Harry's kicking.

How good was Newey's long bomb into the forward 50?  Brisbane's tall defenders had a pretty good night but that kick had Harry's name written all over it from the moment it left Newey's boot.

As EB mentioned, that's four points in the bank.  It's also a boost to our self-belief and will sow the seeds of doubt in opposition clubs.

Finally, what about the Blues Brothers?  Magnificent!

“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball