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Quote from: LP on July 29, 2013, 03:10:24 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 29, 2013, 02:01:14 pm

206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011

Wasn't that back when Sandilands was suffering turf toe, even so I think at best he broke even?

Maybe you mean another year, but I think Sandilands has been close to BOG in 4 of our last six encounters! So perhaps a break even is a win!

No it was 2011, I went went over for the game, Robbie played very well more than matched it with Lurch. In fact, I gave Robbie the points and thought he was instrumental in our win that day.

Quote from: emydura on July 29, 2013, 02:56:34 pm

We have some players in the best form of their careers- Simmo, Tuohy, Walker, Hendo. Yet we have a midfield that really has been an achilles heal against the good sides this year. Murphy, Judd, Carrazzo- our offensive midfilders have been ordinary. Gibbs was good early, but he is just 'another player' in our side. Gibbs has not even got close to his 3rd season in terms of SC points and is currently averaging 11% lower than his 2009 season. His SC points have slipped consistently and his output is no different to his output last year. His first game of the year has been his best, and has not even got close to those SC points since. ie. he showed us what he can do in that game, but like his whole career, he has not delivered it consistently in 2013.

At Etihad, without Pavlich, we are 4 goals closer, but we really cannot carry the passengers that we had against the Suns. Our bottom 3 players had less SuperCoach points than the Suns worst performer. That in a 7 goal win is pretty poor (The bottom 2, Rowe and Lucas, played all or a significant part of the game). Judd's decline is interesting. Last year, his average SC points dropped by 10% from the year before and this year it has dropped a further 5%. We all know that SC points are not an exact science, but I think this analysis reflects what we are all seeing from him. Three games ago, judd was superb- but in terms of SC points, it was an anomally, 15% higher than his previous best this year and 37% better than his average. To put that into persective, he had four higher scores than that game (saints) last year, 5 better games in 2011 and 7 better games in 2010. An indication that the best of Judd is far behind and we can only really expect one other 'vintage' Judd game this year.

Murphy is an interesting one. He is 20% down on his output last year, and surprisingly, he actually came back better after the Dangerfield bump (based on SC points). However, his last 2 games against GC and St Kilda last year were well down and that form (average SC) has continued into this year. Murphy has only scored SC points that matched his average last year against Essendon, Port Adelaide, Melbourne and Geelong. He has scored his lowest scores of his career this season against the Saints and and Collingwood. Even worse than his first year.

Robbo is another, 15% down on last year. Ed is up about 8%, but is a defensive midfielder. Brock is down almost 20% too. So all in all, our midfielders are down by an average of 10-15%.

What this all means is that we can not rely on Judd anymore and for some reason, our other gun midfielder is struggling. We need Judd to meet his average (100 SC is still a good output), but we clearly need Murphy to up his output by 20% this week. What it also shows, is that we probably need to start introducing more offensive midfielders who are going to rack up some possessions. Bell and Graham have not collected less than 30 possessions in the last 4 games that they have played in the VFL. These are the types of players that we require now. We need our hands on the pill in the middle, not simply limiting the opposition's midfielders.

Bell and/or Graham need to come in this week.

Good post...I'd like the bigger frame of Bell in the team, reckon Graham could wait for an easier game to debut in.

We should not be aiming to make the 8, we should be aiming to take 6th from the Tiggers.

I would bring LeviC back in. He is a seriously good clunker in the marking duels.

I will bet money that either Bell or Graham comes in this week. I doubt both will against Freo. Bell is the hardened body, graham may get a chance against the bulldogs.

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 29, 2013, 05:37:16 pm

Quote from: LP on July 29, 2013, 03:10:24 pm

Quote from: Gointocarlton on July 29, 2013, 02:01:14 pm

206 torched him at Paterson Stadium in 2011

Wasn't that back when Sandilands was suffering turf toe, even so I think at best he broke even?

Maybe you mean another year, but I think Sandilands has been close to BOG in 4 of our last six encounters! So perhaps a break even is a win!

No it was 2011, I went went over for the game, Robbie played very well more than matched it with Lurch. In fact, I gave Robbie the points and thought he was instrumental in our win that day.

Warnock smacked everyone in 2011. Had a good year.

Interesting to hear Cam Mooney saying that they always were told when playing against Carlton that if you beat them in one-on-one contests, their mids won't run back into defence with much vigour.  That's an area he says MM is working on, but it is still an issue.  More specifically on Bryce Gibbs, he notes that he has to get far more ball on his own.

Quote from: Mav on July 30, 2013, 12:32:01 pm

Interesting to hear Cam Mooney saying that they always were told when playing against Carlton that if you beat them in one-on-one contests, their mids won't run back into defence with much vigour.  That's an area he says MM is working on, but it is still an issue.  More specifically on Bryce Gibbs, he notes that he has to get far more ball on his own.

Not sure that I agree with that Mav; Malthouse seems to be using Gibbs more in a defensive, shut down role. 

Quote from: emydura on July 30, 2013, 08:41:40 am

I will bet money that either Bell or Graham comes in this week. I doubt both will against Freo. Bell is the hardened body, graham may get a chance against the bulldogs.

I've mentioned this before somewhere, Bell doesn't seem to be MM's fav and has hardly set the world alight in the chances he's been given. I reckon we give Graham a shot for sure but I can't see him getting a game ahead of Lucas or Robbo. He may need to wait for an injury to have his turn.