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Quote from: madbluboy on July 02, 2014, 08:38:31 am

We didn't get rid of Betts, he left on his own accord.

He's gone because of MM in the same way Daisy is here because of MM.

Eddie couldn't play MM footy.

The truth is I have no problems with coAches making these decisions but they also take 100% of the blame.

Eddie wasn't Sauce Jacobs fighting for a spot with 3 other guys he was a 50 goal a year forward that Mick wanted to run through the midfield.

And Jeffy will go at seasons end as well. That's 100 goals down the tube to keep Mick happy.

And what did we achieve when Eddie and Jeff were kicking 50+ goals? Oh that's right, sweet FA. We weren't good enough then, and yeah we've gone backwards, but there at least we seem to be more proactive in getting the right cattle in now. Trade in cheap quality (Docherty and Everitt) and head to the draft. We'll do the same again this year.

I think the style of football we play now is more conducive to being successful in the long run.

Previously it was more hit and hope brute force whilst now it requires a little more accuracy and structure.  Overall it's a proper way to play the game.

I think the style of football we play now is more conducive to being successful in the long run.

Quote from: Navy Maven on July 02, 2014, 09:44:45 am

And what did we achieve when Eddie and Jeff were kicking 50+ goals? Oh that's right, sweet FA. We weren't good enough then, and yeah we've gone backwards, but there at least we seem to be more proactive in getting the right cattle in now. Trade in cheap quality (Docherty and Everitt) and head to the draft. We'll do the same again this year.

I wouldn't blame the players for the club's policy of not talking with anyone unless a deal was in our favour.

Quote from: ItsOurTime on July 02, 2014, 09:49:06 am

Quote from: Navy Maven on July 02, 2014, 09:44:45 am

And what did we achieve when Eddie and Jeff were kicking 50+ goals? Oh that's right, sweet FA. We weren't good enough then, and yeah we've gone backwards, but there at least we seem to be more proactive in getting the right cattle in now. Trade in cheap quality (Docherty and Everitt) and head to the draft. We'll do the same again this year.

I wouldn't blame the players for the club's policy of not talking with anyone unless a deal was in our favour.

I don't blame the players at all. I'm simply saying that changes needed to be made and we previously didn't make them. Having 3 good small forwards was never going to make up for having 2 legitimate KPF's. Mick is trying to build the kind of list we need to be a contender. When we peaked under Ratten that list wasn't good enough to be a force. That's not to say we didn't have some players playing good football, but we needed a whole team playing great football. Eddie and Jeff had some good seasons under Ratten, but that wasn't good enough, so why shouldn't we look to change things and make them better?

Quote from: Thryleon on July 02, 2014, 10:26:27 am

I think the style of football we play now is more conducive to being successful in the long run.

Previously it was more hit and hope brute force whilst now it requires a little more accuracy and structure.  Overall it's a proper way to play the game.

I think the style we play now is so physically taxing on players it can only be successful on the day against teams with a similar hard flooding boundary hugging game plan.

The future of AFL is there for all to see in the way the Dawks, GWS, GC and Norp play. That is why the Dawks valued Ratten and we don't, we looked back while they look forward. Forward to high speed, fast moving accurate ball movement backed up by large bodied mobile marking targets generating a massive number of scoring opportunities. They back themselves in to outscore opponents, not to stop opponents from scoring.

The chip and chop, flood and zone stuff has been well and truly unraveled by the precision foot skills and fast decision making of the modern teams. Hesitate and your dead, slow the game down and equally so, eventually you turn it over and then it's too late!

Hanging on to the safely, safely, safely game plan is like clinging to the Titanic because the lifeboat looks too flimsy!

Quote from: Navy Maven on July 02, 2014, 11:23:23 am

Quote from: ItsOurTime on July 02, 2014, 09:49:06 am

Quote from: Navy Maven on July 02, 2014, 09:44:45 am

And what did we achieve when Eddie and Jeff were kicking 50+ goals? Oh that's right, sweet FA. We weren't good enough then, and yeah we've gone backwards, but there at least we seem to be more proactive in getting the right cattle in now. Trade in cheap quality (Docherty and Everitt) and head to the draft. We'll do the same again this year.

I wouldn't blame the players for the club's policy of not talking with anyone unless a deal was in our favour.

I don't blame the players at all. I'm simply saying that changes needed to be made and we previously didn't make them. Having 3 good small forwards was never going to make up for having 2 legitimate KPF's. Mick is trying to build the kind of list we need to be a contender. When we peaked under Ratten that list wasn't good enough to be a force. That's not to say we didn't have some players playing good football, but we needed a whole team playing great football. Eddie and Jeff had some good seasons under Ratten, but that wasn't good enough, so why shouldn't we look to change things and make them better?

And Daisy is smashing it at the moment.

I would rather any kid go into the off season thinking they havnt cracked a game yet and pushing themselves harder then having been given a freebie and thinking they are alright. Have to push the right culture.

MM say's Holman and Byrne are close.

That will at least give me something to watch.

I don't often post here, but i read alot...

A pies mate of mine said to me last year, Malthouse, will gut your your club, for 2 -4 years, and you will be no good, but if you stick fat, you'll be better for it.

TBH, thats what i'm seeing, and also some of the above posts are saying. Yes we're no good ATM, but in the right places I'm seeing improvement, and once the list is right, bingo...