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Reply #660 –
Fwiw that table shows that white on white homicide is 2000+

White on black homicide 243.

Black on white. 533.

Black on black 2547.

For a minority those numbers prove your assertion a biased perspective and you know it.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #661 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
https://www.prb.org/americasracialandethnicminorities/

So let me put it to you this way.  That 2016 table is being explained away when black people are a minority?

Dude, seriously. I know blacks are a minority, and please focus on the original discussion. The majority of hate crimes are perpetrated by whites. This is fact.

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Reply #662 –
Quote from: PaulP on
I think you blokes are missing the point. The incidents that lead to rioting and protests were triggers. Individual incidents are not really the issue here. Nobody has ever suggested that people of colour are holier than thou, or that they're not capable of hate crimes. But the numbers don't lie - people of colour are victims a lot more than they are victimisers.

You don't measure justice by the level of outrage. The politics of resentment is a dead end.

You said i was missing the point.

Hate crimes are a biased statistic.  They explain away black on white crime if there isnt a political motivation and they'd do the same vice versa.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

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Reply #663 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
You said i was missing the point.

Hate crimes are a biased statistic.  They explain away black on white crime if there isnt a political motivation and they'd do the same vice versa.

No, hate crimes are a legitimate and officially recognised form of crime. You can't just wash away the facts that don't suit your argument.

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Reply #664 –
I feel this debate covers two areas that are very loosely defined, both have boundaries that are highly malleable subject to a political or philosophical position!

I remember being part of a university debate about aliens, of course whoever gets to speak first gets to define the debate, and we defined alien in a non-classical way. This tactic is used widely in the media, social or professional, making use of ambiguity to influence opinion without clearly defining the frame of reference. It results in anarchy, and in my opinion outside of a competitive debating framework it is an invalid tactic to frame any political or social discussion.

The biggest problem in social media is that perspectives are not easily or clearly communicated, and there is no will to fix it, because it's built on a the premise that the poster's has an opinion that is valid and correct in their own frame of reference.
The Force Awakens!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour

Reply #665 –
Quote from: PaulP on
No, hate crimes are a legitimate and officially recognised form of crime. You can't just wash away the facts that don't suit your argument.


I've joined this debate late, but has anyone pointed out that the sheer fact that 'hate crimes' exist, as in a specific definition in itself, is part of the racism problem?

If people are all supposed to be equal (in reality we appear a long way off) the courts highlighting our 'differences' perpetuates the exact thing its trying to stop.

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Reply #666 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I've joined this debate late, but has anyone pointed out that the sheer fact that 'hate crimes' exist, as in a specific definition in itself, is part of the racism problem?

If people are all supposed to be equal (in reality we appear a long way off) the courts highlighting our 'differences' perpetuates the exact thing its trying to stop.
Are the underlying motives really about equality?

So many profit from this, I'm not asserting all or most, but many are not motivated by anything other than money, power or fame(Some may say infamy). They may be the minority, but that minority seems very very damaging, as damaging to the wider community as the anti-vaxers, environmental extremists and social anarchists.

If equality is the genuine outcome and desire, perhaps the first thing that needs to happen is remove financial benefits of being a victim.

Not just victims, but lawyers, bloggers, media and politicians.
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #667 –
Quote from: LP on
Are the underlying motives really about equality?
No, but they should be.

....and thats the whole point. USA are set up the way they want to be set up, with 'legal slavery'.

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Reply #668 –
Why would anyone take seriously anything said by the fascist, woman beating askwipe Yemini?

https://thebrag.com/avi-yemini-charged-assaulting-ex-wife/
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #669 –
Quote from: DJC on
Why would anyone take seriously anything said by the fascist, woman beating askwipe Yemini?

https://thebrag.com/avi-yemini-charged-assaulting-ex-wife/


Let me add a little, David... the words cowardly sack of human refuse come to mind also. The tragedy is that the trauma his ex has endured will possibly stay with her for a long time, negatively impacting her quality of life. Yet slime boy (most likely also a narcissist) will scoot about guilt free and justifying his despicable behaviour.

Perhaps, like you, males like this pr1ck make my blood boil.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #670 –
 
Quote from: Baggers on
Let me add a little, David... the words cowardly sack of human refuse come to mind also. The tragedy is that the trauma his ex has endured will possibly stay with her for a long time, negatively impacting her quality of life. Yet slime boy (most likely also a narcissist) will scoot about guilt free and justifying his despicable behaviour.

Perhaps, like you, males like this pr1ck make my blood boil.

The attack on the young girl by the gang of women was appalling (I wish I had been there  >:(  ) but it was no worse than Yemini’s low act.  I guess we can add hypocrite to his CV.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #671 –
Quote from: DJC on

The attack on the young girl by the gang of women was appalling (I wish I had been there  >:(  ) but it was no worse than Yemini’s low act.  I guess we can add hypocrite to his CV.
 I suppose you then end up debating what is real and what isn't, when in reality both events are probably very real!
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #672 –
re: Yemini...dont know anything about him and that video sent by a friend was the first time I had seen any of his work.
I posted the video of the girl being bashed for the content not for Yemini's views, he obviously after reading some of his work
has just used the video to push his right wing agendas and he seems a professional agitator who rocks up to events and needles
folk for a response. He was also wrong about the police ignoring the video, we have some police connections  and I was assured the matter was/is been investigated and charges may be pending. Any minor attending a hospital with those sort of injuries will have the medical staff making a report to the police who are duty bound to follow it up.
As I suggested my point of posting the video was about not having Australia being turned into some mini version of the USA where gang fights and thuggery from any racial group be it white, black or any other colour become the norm and go unpunished.
My daughter lives in the Brimbank area where two stabbings have taken place in the last month or two....gangs are running amok out there and Daniel Andrews couldnt care less. Virtually no police assistance after 6pm in that area as the closest police station closes at 5pm and you are relying on a over worked police system that takes 30mins to get officers to your home.
Think its the Delahey shops close by where gangs of up to 20 kids run through the supermarket, grab what they like then run out,
the staff cant stop them and the police arrive too late.
Its like being in the USA or South Africa out in the west in Melbourne and thats not what living in Aus is all about......

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Reply #673 –
The police response to the Brimbank stabbing has been very strong EB 🤔

My brother and I were stabbed way back when I was 14.  It made the headlines because he was a cop but it was forgotten the next day.  No riots, no demos, no YouTube, no outraged shockjocks!

I feel cheated 😉
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

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Reply #674 –
Careful EB,  you might be labelled with the R word for mentioning a minority cultural group involved in "issues".
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?