We play the B*mbers at Windy Hill on Saturday at 1345.
Should be slightly stronger this week.
We play the B*mbers at Windy Hill on Saturday at 1345.
Should be slightly stronger this week.
Yep, and Will H and Sam D will be wanting to especially impress.
Yep, and Will H and Sam D will be wanting to especially impress.
Will H has been impressing all year, Sam D just needs to lear our "ropes".
Will H has been impressing all year, Sam D just needs to lear our "ropes".
Think Sam. D might have to play vs Richmond who might have three talls down forward and we might need a plan B for Lynch with no Weitering.
Hayes recruiting remains a mystery to me...
Hayes recruiting remains a mystery to me...
Cover for Willo I reckon, his illness has been for several months apparently.
Cover for Willo I reckon, his illness has been for several months apparently.
Different players though.
I think we are well sorted for HBF's and IMO Willo was on the way out before the recent revelations.
Hayes......a bit like Boyd....WHY!
Happy to be proven wrong and he becomes a gun, but not holding my breath.
Hayes will be first off the rank to replace Cerra if his form continues. Dow has no chance - doesnt seem coaches rate him and Stocker should be playing midfield as he should be first off the rank to replace Cerra.
Damn straight. Stocker could come in and play midfield minutes and a role versus the swag of tigers' small types eg Short. But I bet they play Hayes
One of the problems with Stocker in the midfield is his tank. We use Kennedy beautifully off the bench, in bursts with limited minutes because of his lack of midfield endurance. We can't afford to have 2 the same.....
Damn straight. Stocker could come in and play midfield minutes and a role versus the swag of tigers' small types eg Short. But I bet they play Hayes
Tigers will probably have Lambert back and Prestia playing the full game this time so it's going to be a lot harder in the midfield without Cerra. Ditto down back with Lynch also playing and the possibilty they will play three talls down forward is going to stretch us. Going to be a very tough game...that's why I want Stocker back in..
Think Sam. D might have to play vs Richmond who might have three talls down forward and we might need a plan B for Lynch with no Weitering.
Hayes recruiting remains a mystery to me...
I think that it’s been explained quite well.
Hayes was on our radar and was invited to join our VFL team to get him into our system and get a closer look at him.
He has been the most consistent performer in our VFL team (along with Dow), has good disposal and is a very reliable kick for goal.
Our high forwards still aren’t performing consistently and adding another to the mix increases competition and improves the likelihood of coming up with a better forward combination.
Hayes (and Durdin) isn’t a stop-gap. He is seen as addressing a gap in our list profile.
Durdin got a handball receive in the back pocket out of the goal square but then froze, was tackled and gave away the free kick and a goal. That betrayed that he might not yet be used to the pace of the game. Did a few good things but thankfully he wasn’t thrown in the deep end last night.
Brodie Kemp was out marked by 2 Essendon talls to cough up 2 consecutive goals, was banished to the forward line where he scored a goal or 2. Not sure there’s a replacement for Weitering in the VFL.
Saw that one Mav with Durdin.... ::)
I’m barracking for him though. He’s a very good kick as is evidenced by being entrusted with kick-ins and seems to have good mobility. But I would have preferred to see him play on James Stewart, an AFL-level tall forward. instead, he’s been playing on Baldwin, whoever that is. Presumably, that’s because Baldwin is taller but I’d prefer Carlton to prioritise Durdin’s audition for senior selection over winning a VFL game.
Seems Stewart’s 199 cm while Baldwin’s a 193 cm 20 year old with only 4 games in the seniors. Poor old Kemp had the honour of taking the ruck-sized forward instead …
I’m guessing Durdin played as the anchor in the SANFL so the ball could be funnelled back to him to take advantage of his kicking skills. Haven’t seen any of his SANFL stuff though.
Setterfield playing on to kick a big torp 10 seconds after the 3 quarter time siren. Delist.
#freekickessendon
Game over.
Setterfield had a very good inside game and will be stiff not to get a game next week - I would be guessing that over 80% of his posessions were contested and only player on the ground that played like for like for Cerra
Setterfield was one of the better players today, MBB, so maybe we haven’t seen the last of him at AFL level. Dow was okay as well.
Not sure what to make of Durdin though. He has good skills by foot but he isn’t the big KPD who’ll kill the ball with a big fist. He tended to drop back as the goal keeper rather than busting packs. He was monstered by Stewart on one of the few occasions he was in a 1 on 1 marking duel with him. Not sure I’d want him playing on Tom Lynch at this stage. But not terrible given this was his first game.
Very disappointing, especially to stuff it up in the last quarter after leading all day.
[1] Mirkov had a bad one. Nick Bryan is a good young ruckman.
[2] Dow had 11 clearances, 27 possessions and 5 tackles. Not a bad effort, everything considered.
Nice to see Setters playing as an inside mid and getting the job done. 34 possessions, 5 clearances and 5 tackles.
Hayes was OK, but not great and Cincotta played very well, but other than that, there wasn't much to get excited about.
We also had a number of kids playing their first or 2nd game, who, alas, didn't do much. Still missing a fair bit of talent out there.
[3] Josh Honey a long way from his best. 11 possessions is just not enough from him.
Jesse Motlop was also disappointing and had no influence on the game at all.
I am really worried about Sam Philip at the moment.
Setterfield and Dow play well as inside mids problem is Cripps, Kennedy and Hewitt are better.
Setterfield and Dow play well as inside mids problem is Cripps, Kennedy and Hewitt are better.
Based on today it would be Cerra out Setterfield in, because he played quite well and he can do more than just play inside mid, so he has Dow covered.
Setterfield and Dow play well as inside mids problem is Cripps, Kennedy and Hewitt are better.
How darken good was George last night? An inspired pick up.
Very disappointing, especially to stuff it up in the last quarter after leading all day.
[1] Mirkov had a bad one. Nick Bryan is a good young ruckman.
[2] Dow had 11 clearances, 27 possessions and 5 tackles. Not a bad effort, everything considered.
Nice to see Setters playing as an inside mid and getting the job done. 34 possessions, 5 clearances and 5 tackles.
Hayes was OK, but not great and Cincotta played very well, but other than that, there wasn't much to get excited about.
We also had a number of kids playing their first or 2nd game, who, alas, didn't do much. Still missing a fair bit of talent out there.
[3] Josh Honey a long way from his best. 11 possessions is just not enough from him.
Jesse Motlop was also disappointing and had no influence on the game at all.
I am really worried about Sam Philip at the moment.
Nick Bryan is a good colt, bit surprised he doesnt get more senior games to partner with Draper...
Based on today it would be Cerra out Setterfield in, because he played quite well and he can do more than just play inside mid, so he has Dow covered.
Agree, Spotted One. I thought Will H was a chance but I was really impressed with Setters. His reflexes and decisions in tight were brilliant. Actually one of the best, most complete games I've seen him play.
So good but run over by Essendon's vfl midfield.
Happy for Cottrell to come in for Cerra. Setterfield can be the medical sub.
Not a real fan of Setterfield and his contested work which has always been disappointing, relying on him vs a team like Richmond in an important game would concern me.
Not sure who Essendon had in the middle in the VFL but I want to see evidence for more than one game that he can produce consistent contested football vs some half decent players.
Not a real fan of Setterfield and his contested work which has always been disappointing, relying on him vs a team like Richmond in an important game would concern me.
Not sure who Essendon had in the middle in the VFL but I want to see evidence for more than one game that he can produce consistent contested football vs some half decent players.
Been burnt by him way too many times. Never again
So good but run over by Essendon's vfl midfield.
Happy for Cottrell to come in for Cerra. Setterfield can be the medical sub.
Personally I never want to see Setterfield in the seniors ever again. Lopes around, zero urgency and the no look around the kicks straight to the opo are to die for.
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I found this on Bigfooty and thought you might be interested. Seriously, this squad should never have lost to Essendon.
However, a lot of the AFL names were really down.
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I found this on Bigfooty and thought you might be interested. Seriously, this squad should never have lost to Essendon.
However, a lot of the AFL names were really down.
And its critical that both the ones and twos are up and about together. The first few games, both teams were playing the same way and winning. I find it interesting that Friday night was the first time we've seen Vossy animated for not playing our way, the same week the twos lose a game they should never have lost. I didn't see the game, I'd be interested to hear how they played versus our game plan/style. That is, did they also stray from it?
Been burnt by him way too many times. Never again
Yep I’m with you cap. The bloke has had enough chances and one good vfl game doesn’t change my view on him.
I found this on Bigfooty and thought you might be interested. Seriously, this squad should never have lost to Essendon.
However, a lot of the AFL names were really down.
I thought we were done over by the umpires in the end, there was some horrendous decisions that went the wrong way, and there was one non-controlling umpire who kept intervening in CheatsFC favour.
In particular in the 2nd half he basically caused a 4 goal swing with decisions given from long range. In one case he awarded a free kick against us from long range for front on contact, except it was our player who was taken front!
I can see why Setterfield got a kick or two, thats a very no name bunch of unknowns playing for Essendon apart from a couple of their talls. Should be an investigation why we lost that game to such a non descript opposition......
I can see why Setterfield got a kick or two, thats a very no name bunch of unknowns playing for Essendon apart from a couple of their talls. Should be an investigation why we lost that game to such a non descript opposition......
True, but sometimes it's not about what you do.
One thing I found disappointing again, Mirkov should have absolutely dominated, and got plenty of first hands to the ball but gave us little or no advantage. For all his natural agility and size, I think he is a long way off playing AFL at AFL standard and will only get a game as some sort of desperate last resort.
I can see why Setterfield got a kick or two, thats a very no name bunch of unknowns playing for Essendon apart from a couple of their talls. Should be an investigation why we lost that game to such a non descript opposition......
They had the best name in the AFL playing for them: Massimo D’Ambrosio. He’s pretty much the best of the West - only a couple of years battling injury kept him from being drafted. He copped a shoulder injury a couple of weeks ago playing for the Tigers VFL side which looked as though it would sideline him after Essendon picked him up in the mid-season draft but he surprised everybody by playing yesterday. He racked up 32 possessions despite being off for a while for the trainers to look at his shoulder. Smart left footer who plays like a QB directing play. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets an AFL call-up next week or the week after.
I thought we were done over by the umpires in the end, there was some horrendous decisions that went the wrong way, and there was one non-controlling umpire who kept intervening in CheatsFC favour.
In particular in the 2nd half he basically caused a 4 goal swing with decisions given from long range. In one case he awarded a free kick against us from long range for front on contact, except it was our player who was taken front!
The umpiring was puzzling at best 🙄
The conditions weren’t conducive to good footy. About the only thing the commentators got right was calling the venue “Very Windy Hill”. One shot for goal into the wind dropped short almost vertically … into the lap of a Bombres forward.
The Essendon team was a lot stronger than the sides they have fielded previously. They’ve found a player in D’Ambrosio and Bryan is promising 🙁
Stocker played well, as did Setterfield, Hayes and Dow. Durdin was shaky early but improved as the game went on.
They had the best name in the AFL playing for them: Massimo D’Ambrosio. He’s pretty much the best of the West - only a couple of years battling injury kept him from being drafted. He copped a shoulder injury a couple of weeks ago playing for the Tigers VFL side which looked as though it would sideline him after Essendon picked him up in the mid-season draft but he surprised everybody by playing yesterday. He racked up 32 possessions despite being off for a while for the trainers to look at his shoulder. Smart left footer who plays like a QB directing play. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets an AFL call-up next week or the week after.
He was BOG by a mile, a level above the rest of the field.
Watched it on-line - the game was stuffed by a 5-goal wind going to one end of the ground, which we did not use at all well by bombing long into an undersized forward line. To make matters worse, the Bombers kicked almost half of their score going into the wind.
The gap between AFL and second-tier competitions has never been bigger IMO. I don't think they can continue to run a 21-team competition in the VFL, the standard is pretty ordinary on average. James Stewart, who is really a bit of a spud, looked like a world-beater out there, in what was a scrappy, awful game.
On the other side of the coin, guys who look average in the VFL can suddenly play far better in the AFL simply because they are surrounded by higher-quality ball users. Dow looked a cut above, and I think he comes in for Cerra. Setters got the ball a lot, but he still does some remarkably dumb things.
And someone needs to get into Ben Crocker's ear about his on-field body language. He either looks disinterested, or sooks in the forward pocket.
It’s good to see good things happen to good people. No one would have a bad word to say about Massimo. If politeness and friendliness were an Olympic sport, he’d have a handful of gold medals. He always says hello and stops to have a chat with opposing coaches, opponents and opponents’ parents. Not bad for a guy who was identified early as AFL-worthy and had the red carpet rolled out for him in rep footy. Yes, it might just be good sense to avoid being a little sh! t but we see plenty of examples of players breaking simple rules when they have a bit of power. You’d think “Don’t sledge your team mates or fight them” would be simple to follow and “Don’t do drugs and if you do don’t allow pictures or videos of it” is a bit of a no-brainer too. There’s a couple of U/18s who may well be picked up in this year’s draft who aren’t big on politeness. One guy showed himself to be a total arsehole in a NAB League practice match when he started with some pretty arrogant sledging. And there’s another guy who needed to move schools after the way he treated fellow students. So being a good guy and having talent isn’t a double that’s easy to maintain.
They had the best name in the AFL playing for them: Massimo D’Ambrosio. He’s pretty much the best of the West - only a couple of years battling injury kept him from being drafted. He copped a shoulder injury a couple of weeks ago playing for the Tigers VFL side which looked as though it would sideline him after Essendon picked him up in the mid-season draft but he surprised everybody by playing yesterday. He racked up 32 possessions despite being off for a while for the trainers to look at his shoulder. Smart left footer who plays like a QB directing play. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets an AFL call-up next week or the week after.
Agree with that, he is neat kick and I think will be a replacement for Saad....I wouldnt mind stealing Nick Bryan away from the Bombers, he wont ever get a look in with Draper as the No 1 ruck and down the track I reckon TDK and Bryan would be a decent double act...
Phillips will be sent on his way as soon as Essendon have another ruck ready to roll. If they think Bryan’s that guy, bye bye Phillips.
Watched it on-line - the game was stuffed by a 5-goal wind going to one end of the ground, which we did not use at all well by bombing long into an undersized forward line. To make matters worse, the Bombers kicked almost half of their score going into the wind.
The gap between AFL and second-tier competitions has never been bigger IMO. I don't think they can continue to run a 21-team competition in the VFL, the standard is pretty ordinary on average. James Stewart, who is really a bit of a spud, looked like a world-beater out there, in what was a scrappy, awful game.
On the other side of the coin, guys who look average in the VFL can suddenly play far better in the AFL simply because they are surrounded by higher-quality ball users. Dow looked a cut above, and I think he comes in for Cerra. Setters got the ball a lot, but he still does some remarkably dumb things.
And someone needs to get into Ben Crocker's ear about his on-field body language. He either looks disinterested, or sooks in the forward pocket.
I'd be sooking too if I kept being overlooked at draft time and having to play as a KP forward, think he has improved from his old Collingwood days and is a wily operator who could play some senior footy. Tory Dickson was a premiership player who kicked around in the VFL for a fair while for Essendon but then was recruited by Ken Hinkley I think, for the Dogs, who was very under rated until everyone noticed he converted everything that came his way. Conversion is an under valued skill IMO and I think Crocker could be a Tory Dickson type at the right club.
Phillips will be sent on his way as soon as Essendon have another ruck ready to roll. If they think Bryan’s that guy, bye bye Phillips.
Phillips can come back to us. Decent backup with a decent mark. Perfect to lead our VFL team and give us depth.
Not a real fan of Setterfield and his contested work which has always been disappointing, relying on him vs a team like Richmond in an important game would concern me.
Not sure who Essendon had in the middle in the VFL but I want to see evidence for more than one game that he can produce consistent contested football vs some half decent players.
Thought very similarly re Setters, but Saturday's game has shown that he's been working on his game (L. Power influence?) and there were noticeable improvements in areas he needed to improve upon. There was more 'body' in his contests rather than relying entirely on his 'hands.' Won't be at all surprised if he gets a recall.
To be fair Setters was played on the wing in AFL he is another long list of natural inside mids that struggles with flexibility
To be fair Setters was played on the wing in AFL he is another long list of natural inside mids that struggles with flexibility
Ill guess and say sadly, Setters, Dow and Philp have extremely limited careers at Carlton. Given their draft profiles, the types of players they are and how long they have been languishing in the twos is a tell I reckon.
Ill guess and say sadly, Setters, Dow and Philp have extremely limited careers at Carlton. Given their draft profiles, the types of players they are and how long they have been languishing in the twos is a tell I reckon.
In some respects, I guess, 2022 is the year that Vossy and his coaching group get to encourage and see the best from everyone. In crude terms, who are the hackers and non-hackers re our new game plan/culture.
I reckon Setters and Philp deserve every opportunity this year. Sadly, I think, the Dow ship has sailed.
In some respects, I guess, 2022 is the year that Vossy and his coaching group get to encourage and see the best from everyone. In crude terms, who are the hackers and non-hackers re our new game plan/culture.
I reckon Setters and Philp deserve every opportunity this year. Sadly, I think, the Dow ship has sailed.
Out of interest Baggers, why have you categorised the three above as such?
Out of interest Baggers, why have you categorised the three above as such?
I saw a willingness to change from Setters on Saturday - let's see where it takes him. I'm not convinced yet but prepared to be wrong re my former criticisms of him.
Philp is still really raw but shows really positive glimpses, just needs to learn to impose himself more and for longer.
Dow still seems one dimensional to me. Really impressive once he can collect, run and dash. Would want to see much more defensive play from him; a willingness to put his body in more. Not hopeful, but, hey, he's got a few months to develop this area of his game - intensity at the man and aggot.
Ill guess and say sadly, Setters, Dow and Philp have extremely limited careers at Carlton. Given their draft profiles, the types of players they are and how long they have been languishing in the twos is a tell I reckon.
Dow is contracted so I think he will be traded and look for a fresh start. Setters is no world beater but will provide depth when needed good over head, god disposal can win the contested ball and kick a goal when he is on. Philp is contracted and needs time - starting to get continuity in his football now after all the interruptions . He has good attributes, tackles hard, fast, good kick. Just doesn't get involved enough at the moment. Hopefully that will come to him soon because he will be an asset if it does.
Dow is contracted so I think he will be traded and look for a fresh start. Setters is no world beater but will provide depth when needed good over head, god disposal can win the contested ball and kick a goal when he is on. Philp is contracted and needs time - starting to get continuity in his football now after all the interruptions . He has good attributes, tackles hard, fast, good kick. Just doesn't get involved enough at the moment. Hopefully that will come to him soon because he will be an asset if it does.
Setters good disposal? I must be watching someone else.
Setters good disposal? I must be watching someone else.
Agree...kicks lollypops up in the air and has been guilty of avoiding heavy contests, while he is a good size he isnt a bash and crash mid like Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett but doesnt have the finesse or skill level like Cerra to play as that distributor type mid either.
He will get his share of ball in the twos playing on newbie kids from the burbs but I cant see him staying on the list even as backup unless Voss sees something in him that I dont. Maybe he follows instructions well, trains hard etc etc but I dont see him improving, you look at Obrien and he never looks comfortable playing contested footy but he does have a go now and tries his best which is all you can ask. I have never felt Setterfield has pushed himself or given max effort very often and like Obrien did he needs a body of work in the twos to justify senior selection IMO.
Agree...kicks lollypops up in the air and has been guilty of avoiding heavy contests, while he is a good size he isnt a bash and crash mid like Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett but doesnt have the finesse or skill level like Cerra to play as that distributor type mid either.
He will get his share of ball in the twos playing on newbie kids from the burbs but I cant see him staying on the list even as backup unless Voss sees something in him that I dont. Maybe he follows instructions well, trains hard etc etc but I dont see him improving, you look at Obrien and he never looks comfortable playing contested footy but he does have a go now and tries his best which is all you can ask. I have never felt Setterfield has pushed himself or given max effort very often and like Obrien did he needs a body of work in the twos to justify senior selection IMO.
When you're listed as a Midfielder and are 192cm, its fashionable irrespective if whether you can play the game or not.
Voss told Kennedy at the start of the year that there are only 2 inside midfield spots.
Cripps and Kennedy have the spots. Dow and Setterfield are back up to those guys.
Voss told Kennedy at the start of the year that there are only 2 inside midfield spots.
Cripps and Kennedy have the spots. Dow and Setterfield are back up to those guys.
What about George?
What about George?
I'm assuming his primary role is to run with someone, his inside work is bonus. Really he should be All Australian.
I'm assuming his primary role is to run with someone, his inside work is bonus. Really he should be All Australian.
Tough field for AA mids, reckon the Freo Brayshaw will probably get that spot that George would be vying for.....surprise might be Crisp from Collingwood.
Tough field for AA mids, reckon the Freo Brayshaw will probably get that spot that George would be vying for.....surprise might be Crisp from Collingwood.
After today, I don't feel as bad about losing to the Filth (Ill go and give myself an uppercut now).
After today, I don't feel as bad about losing to the Filth (Ill go and give myself an uppercut now).
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Teams aren’t in yet for ESS v StK but a little birdie tells me Massimo will play on Friday night. Congrats to the young fella.