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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: "Bell Ready For Ringadingdinger" (One For Elwood)
he has played a dozen games of footy lets not praise or beat him up to much... One thing for certain we will find out alot about levi, Bell Andy Mac and Menzel today. We wont win the flag this year but we need to build compentency to support our elite players. Finals are the best furnace

Be careful with your words there.

They were CERTAIN that McLean would be coming into the side and almost certain that either Andy Mac or Menzel would be making way.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Match tactic.
Not ideal?

The truth is we simply could not get our hands on the ball for much of the first half, same against Port.

I'm sure if we're halving the contests we'd would have most likely halved the score.

Absorbing pressure is something you do when you don't have the football, every team does it.

They had double our possessions after the first quarter.

Every team TRIES to absorb pressure. Doing it, and being able to come back later is something that other teams cannot do.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Match tactic.
Other wise known as rope-a-dope, and yes I agree with you, that has been our game plan for at least the last month or so.

I'm not sure that it would hold up for a full season, I will be interested to see if we try to take it into next season.

Exactly.

Stay cool, calm and collected and let them punch themselves out. Then fight back.

I know Mick has changed the plan since the pre-season and this seems to be our last incarnation. We actually saw it in R1 against the tigers.
First half, defensive, don't get blown out of the water.
Second half, open the floodgates and run all over them.

Obviously, we saw that against the Tigers, twice since then, and Port recently.

I actually think this is a bit of a hybrid between what Mick implemented at Collingwood and what Ratten had here previously. It suits Micks style, our list, and finals football.

In Mick we trust.

What about the 40 points down bit?

Not sure that's part of the plan .

Nothing goes to script 100%.

Its not ideal, but the end result is what was required.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Match tactic.
Other wise known as rope-a-dope, and yes I agree with you, that has been our game plan for at least the last month or so.

I'm not sure that it would hold up for a full season, I will be interested to see if we try to take it into next season.

Exactly.

Stay cool, calm and collected and let them punch themselves out. Then fight back.

I know Mick has changed the plan since the pre-season and this seems to be our last incarnation. We actually saw it in R1 against the tigers.
First half, defensive, don't get blown out of the water.
Second half, open the floodgates and run all over them.

Obviously, we saw that against the Tigers, twice since then, and Port recently.

I actually think this is a bit of a hybrid between what Mick implemented at Collingwood and what Ratten had here previously. It suits Micks style, our list, and finals football.

In Mick we trust.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Kade Simpson 200 games
Fantastic effort from of the most underrated players in the AFL.

Well done mate !

Note how Jamo referred to him as a spiritual leader - Captain anyone ?

No, you don't need the title to play the role, IMO he is a very good support to Murph who will be around a lot longer than what Simmo has left.

BTW Congrats to Simmo !! For a pick 65 (I think it was!) he has done very well, as the saying goes, it not how you start that matters, it's how you finish, and Simmo is finishing beautifully !!!

Pick 45.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: "Bell Ready For Ringadingdinger" (One For Elwood)
Vossy nominated him as this weeks Finals Unsung Hero. Makes some points that have already been said here.

From AFL.com.au

Carlton v Richmond
Tom Bell
An in-and-out player at Carlton this year, Bell was a consistent contributor all day in just his 15th senior game and first final.

Originally from my junior club at Morningside in Brisbane, he was just about the Blues' best player at half-time, when they were 26 points down and should have been dead and buried.

A mountain of a young man making full use of his huge motor to get up and down the ground, he was running when most of his Carlton teammates weren't running in the first half. For a player who didn't know he was even playing until final selection on Saturday his was a really telling effort, helping to lay a platform on which a lot of more senior teammates cashed in after half-time.

Sure, he let himself down when he had a couple of chances to finish off his work, and a big turnover just before half-time which set up a Trent Cotchin goal could have been critical. But without him across the half-forward line and in the middle Carlton would have been in trouble.And when he starts to use the footy a little better he's going to be a player. A similar role awaits this week, when at least he should be confident of getting a game.

I've re-highlighted what i think are the important parts.

Vossy is sticking up for a 'mate'

He let himself down a couple of times and cost us a goal which could have been critical. When he starts to use the footy better he will be a player.

I've said the same things. I've even said that because we won, we glossed over those points in which we could be critical of him.

Vossy just backed up what i said, but turned it into a positive simply because we won, and it didn't cost us the game.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: "Bell Ready For Ringadingdinger" (One For Elwood)
Bell is far from guaranteed a spot in the best 22 AT PRESENT with what is is offering us. He is not useless, nor beyond becoming a star. However, currently, his benefit to the side is questionable.

I guess the question remains. Is it of greater benefit for MM to back him in and risk more  F/ups to help fast track his development in the pressure cooker of finals? Or does he just drop him and say keep working at it son, you aint there yet?

That is something that mick needs to work out. If it was me, and Brock was fit, Bell wouldn't be playing this week.

I doubt Bell will play all 22 games next year though. I think there will be a bit of "go back and work on these things for a few weeks" in there somewhere.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: "Bell Ready For Ringadingdinger" (One For Elwood)
Please I'm a Tom Bell Fan, but his awareness and Pace is a huge worry. He needs to watch someone like Brock McLean who is slow by speed but quick in the mind.

Can't waltz through players in a final, he'll get no second chances against the swans.

We won the game so people look at the good he did.

He we had've lost, people would remember the fact that he got chased down due to a lack of awareness.
He we had've lost, people would remember the fact that he had a set shot on goal from a tightish angle and despite his lack of kicking skills, decided to have a ping rather than center it, and sprayed it out on the full.

How many of these moments can we put up with?

Sometimes just one of these moments is enough to turn a game, and cost you a game.

Ask Riewoldt what his lack of awareness in the GF did for the belief of the 2 sides.
Ask Shaw the same question.

Earlier in the year i doubted the effectiveness of having Robinson in the side. Never questioned his dedication and role within the side, just the overall (dis)advantage of having him in it when he makes some silly errors.

I received the same kind of response there as i got here. "How could we do without his hardness..." blah blah. Mick eventually agreed and dropped him.

Same thing goes for Bell.

Bell is far from guaranteed a spot in the best 22 AT PRESENT with what is is offering us. He is not useless, nor beyond becoming a star. However, currently, his benefit to the side is questionable.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: "Bell Ready For Ringadingdinger" (One For Elwood)
Bell - 17 touches, 6 clangers, DE 52.9%

Yes, his presence is good and i acknowledge as much, but if he is only a 50-50 chance of finding a teammate when he has the ball, what is the point?

If we remove him from the game today....every time he actually got the ball, we say it was a 50-50 contest instead...what have we lost?
What we have lost is another player who is more capable of finding a teammate when they get it.

re Menzel...didn't get much of a chance to get into the game
re Walker...6 R50's, 3 1%ers, 14 touches @ 78.6%. Not a great game, but better than bell.
re McInness...at least he found a teammate 4 / 5 times he got the ball. =2nd in 1%ers (with 6) showed he was putting in in the backline too.
re Tuohy...13 touches @ 69%. Did what was required without dominating.

Sorry, but next week swap Bell and McLean and lets go to Sydney.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: "Bell Ready For Ringadingdinger" (One For Elwood)
He Realised it was a final didn't he? So many times, gave up on first option, to take on the player and got caught. 2 shots in the last, barely scored...

Think he is a long way off..potential..but a long way off.

Was my worst in navy blue today. Daylight second.

The kid has the size and attitude right. Needs to wrap his head around the subtleties of the game and learn how to kick though.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL starts tomorrow!
For your viewing pleasure.

Whether you like the vikings or hate them, you have to respect AP.
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The Sports Desk / Re: NFL starts tomorrow!
Who do you follow Mav?
Never really adopted a team.  Pittsburgh Steelers have been good to watch with Roethlisberger and Troy Polamalu and SF 49ers will be interesting with Kaepernick.  But the selective broadcasts mean that you don't really get to watch any particular team each week, and the bizarre conference and divisional system makes it a bit harder to equate to an AFL ladder.  The NFL offers a subscription service which gives you internet access to every game, every week (and you can even put them on multi-screen).  I guess if I bothered subscribing to it, that would make following a team more practical.  If you lived in, say, Pittsburgh, your local channel would broadcast every Steelers game and it would be much easier to become partisan.

Well said, Mav, I love the NFL (and the NHL, on another note), but the coverage out here outside of online sites is deplorable, even with Foxtel. You only get to watch a couple of games each week and it's always different teams. I found it easier to follow players than it is to follow teams so I get right into the fantasy leagues for American sports.

There is the internet boys...
I can usually download and watch my vikings within 24 hours of the game being played. Haven't missed a game in over 2 years....including pre-season.