Well, that was sad.
Whatever issues our list may have, however good or crap they are, I'm just not sold on Malthouse.
The wooden spoon is a real prospect now
I trust that those Directors on the Board that have been at the Club since 2005-2011 should reconsider their positions and follow Kernahan and Swan out the door...
We did it again: an 'honourable loss', but a loss all the same against a team we should be pounding. Even Richmond pounded them.
Pea hearts
Pea brains
3rd loss of the year against a bottom side.
Knew when I saw Levi and Rowe going down media street this week that they d gotten ahead of themselves.
We re on equal part with St Kilda as the worst team in the League I reckon.
I said it would be tough.....GWS strong in the midfield and with some bigs up forward we were always going to struggle to win once Mumford held sway in the ruck.
Our skills were not as clean as theirs and some of our older players stuggled with their youthfull runners.
With Gold Coast and GWS now finding their feet I see a premeirship as a long way off unless Mick pulls some recruiting miracles...
Jaksch is one player I would pursue....Tomlinson another....
Lads, I ve been steadfast in my support of MM this year, but now......
Played with no intensity. Got smashed around the contest by a bunch of kids. This team is capable of playing good footy, but the gap btw our best and worst continues to be a cancer on the club. Too many players looked disinterested today. Find the guys who want to give their all for the jumper EVERY WEEK! And weed out the rest.
Waite and Carrots are two more retirees come seasons end I reckon.
Waite and Carrots are two more retirees come seasons end I reckon.
Malthouse and Wiley should join them!
Glad to see we made the right choice keeping Warnock, if we hadn't we would never have known how good Mumford is and GWS would not have got their first ever double, first ever double, first ever double!
Waite and Carrots are two more retirees come seasons end I reckon.
Malthouse and Wiley should join them!
Glad to see we made the right choice keeping Warnock, if we hadn't we would never have known how good Mumford is!
From what the ne Prez has said in his interviews this week, looks like we ll be stuck with MM for a few years yet.
From what the ne Prez has said in his interviews this week, looks like we ll be stuck with MM for a few years yet.
Something told me the wind has just changed direction, it was the scoreboard!
Another loss to a bottom 4 side. Drums should be beating
Well, that was sad.
Whatever issues our list may have, however good or crap they are, I'm just not sold on Malthouse.
That performance was putrid.
I only saw the second half but I didn't see any part of the game where we looked like a competent football team.
How is that possible.
I said it would be tough.....GWS strong in the midfield and with some bigs up forward we were always going to struggle to win once Mumford held sway in the ruck.
Our skills were not as clean as theirs and some of our older players stuggled with their youthfull runners.
With Gold Coast and GWS now finding their feet I see a premeirship as a long way off unless Mick pulls some recruiting miracles...
Jaksch is one player I would pursue....Tomlinson another....
Yup. I raised Jaksch's name many months ago.
Jesus. I do not blame MM for this. Players either have heart or they don't. Two things became clear. The old guard need to leave/traded/retire to allow MM and the young ones to set a new culture. If Judd stays another year after that effort from his team mates I would be amazed. They should not offer him a new contract and focus on life without him. Blood letting in the off season. Cannot wait to read Sheik's revised sacked and cracked.
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Another loss to a bottom 4 side. Drums should be beating
Thats what I say, but Kruddler thinks its all fine...
Lets all have a drink :P :P :P
Poor kicking is poor football, 4 set shots in the 2nd qtr for a net result of 3 points. We only needed 2 of those to be goals for the win !!
We did it again: an 'honourable loss', but a loss all the same against a team we should be pounding. Even Richmond pounded them.
There is nothing "honourable" about losing.
It's either we win, or it is a catastrophe !!
It's OK, we're tanking. Top 4 next year !! ;)
Need to play our youth and get games into them..you can call it tanking for the best pick we can get, and cut another 10-12 players.
Get Rendell as head of recruiting and try and pinch some of thsee kids from GWS/GC etc and rebuild the list quickly...
This would be funny if it wasn't so sad or predictable.
Lucky I couldn't watch.
Cannot wait to read Sheik's revised sacked and cracked.
Nothing will has change, the last revision I made based on contract expiry was it.
Just so you know, I didn't see any of the game due to being at an all-weekend Cricket Coaching course but I'm guessing that if I read the whole thread, it will be the same suspects making the same basic skill errors.
Need to play our youth and get games into them..you can call it tanking for the best pick we can get, and cut another 10-12 players.
Get Rendell as head of recruiting and try and pinch some of thsee kids from GWS/GC etc and rebuild the list quickly...
we've been rebuilding quickly since 2002
Another loss to a bottom 4 side. Drums should be beating
Yep, it's some pretty ugly reading isn't it? Losses to GWS, Richmond, Melbourne and Brisbane......this is as bad as any season we've played in the last 10 years, honourable losses to top 8 teams mean absolutely nothing when your loss column includes numerous losses to most teams on the bottom rungs.
We looked slow today and Robbie Warnock needs to take good, hard look at himself as his past 2 games have been arguably his worst ever.
Need to play our youth and get games into them..you can call it tanking for the best pick we can get, and cut another 10-12 players.
Get Rendell as head of recruiting and try and pinch some of thsee kids from GWS/GC etc and rebuild the list quickly...
Nothing has changed then if reading Brother Elwood's honest summation and recommendation is anything to go by.
Need to play our youth and get games into them..you can call it tanking for the best pick we can get, and cut another 10-12 players.
Get Rendell as head of recruiting and try and pinch some of thsee kids from GWS/GC etc and rebuild the list quickly...
contrary to Kruddler, today's game is a real spotlight on our Clubs culture and management...
Since the Ratten era our list wins unexpectedly against good (not top sides) but loses unexpectedly to bottom sides..
Rebuilding the list
is after rebuilding the Board and administration
The CEO comes first who then has input and control of the decision to hire a recruiter and list manager...
Then comes the reserves and development of our juniors..
for the life of me, I cannot understand how supporters can narrowly quarantine this shocking result without looking at the big picture...
we MUST have the new CEO and Recruiter locked in by August 2014.....
1. Ball use abysmal.
2. Failed to intimidate a bunch of kids and I don't care how many of them for 1st round draft picks.
3. Bad kicking for goal once again.
See ya later boys and girls, season well and truly over, I'm pissing off for 7 weeks this Sat so won't be following one bit footy for the rest of the season thank fork.
Need to play our youth and get games into them..you can call it tanking for the best pick we can get, and cut another 10-12 players.
Get Rendell as head of recruiting and try and pinch some of thsee kids from GWS/GC etc and rebuild the list quickly...
Can't even get much out of what we have. It'll end up being the same result with different faces
Need to play our youth and get games into them..you can call it tanking for the best pick we can get, and cut another 10-12 players.
Get Rendell as head of recruiting and try and pinch some of thsee kids from GWS/GC etc and rebuild the list quickly...
Can't even get much out of what we have. It'll end up being the same result with different faces
Got to start somewhere...we are bottom four material for 2014/15 if we dont try and change things......I agree with what we have it doesnt look very promising.
We just lack in so many areas and dont have any depth ...the result vs bendigo today tells you how poor our list is....
Four losses in a row, two to bottom four sides, but the list now doesn't need a cull. Something needs to be culled. Am so over this crap. Thank fork for the World Game.
That performance was putrid.
I only saw the second half but I didn't see any part of the game where we looked like a competent football team.
How is that possible.
Our game plan is outdated, obsolete, fully analysed and completely predictable.
Our season was over last week, it's all tanking from here now.
Our season was over last week, it's all tanking from here now.
Undoubtedly.
Our season was over last week, it's all tanking from here now.
.........are you suggesting todays performance was orchestrated from the coaches box?
Yes. I suggested it a few days ago in the prematch thread and posted it again today at the start of the game when Murphy was pulled out.
Four losses in a row, two to bottom four sides, but the list now doesn't need a cull. Something needs to be culled. Am so over this crap. Thank fork for the World Game.
Amen to that!!
A performance like that leaves you feeling really flat.
The previous two weeks we've been competitive against good sides and the hope was that we could continue that form.
We have a tough run until the end of the year.
We may still cause an upset or two but deep down we know that those results will be the "aberration".
We have a large group of players closer to the end than the beginning.
These have been our better players.
We are facing competition in the next few years from two manufactured sides that have advantages that we cannot hope to match....that's quite apart from the established top sides who seem to have enough talent coming through to maintain their positions well above ours.
I still believe that at our best we are a lot better than that performance.
...but our best "is flash in the pan" stuff.
You cant just turn up for half your games.
The way the competition and draft is structured we are essentially back to 2003-4 levels.
I'll concede it's start again time.
Mick said we were approaching 11'oclock....our premiership window.
But we blinked and missed it.
It's five past 12.00 and we've turned back into a pumpkin.
I fear we're locked into another 'Paganist' style period. FFS, I don't see the development or structure of a team that has any coherency or team oriented belief.
Malthouse, as good as a coach as he was, just appears to be lagging behind the modern day coaching styles.
Lamentable.
My footy team sucks!
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
Mick said we were approaching 11'oclock....our premiership window.
But we blinked and missed it.
It's five past 12.00 and we've turned back into a pumpkin.
Quality analysis right there, good one Lods.
*thumbs up emoticon wanted*
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
Who knows? But if you were to throw up a name like Ken Hinkley 3 years ago, you'd laugh. There just might be another Ken Hinkley out there somewhere, they just need to be given a chance. Or at least be identified as a potential future premiership coach. Hell, even Paul Roos has made an impact at Melbourne FFS.
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.
How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!
Mick said we were approaching 11'oclock....our premiership window.
But we blinked and missed it.
It's five past 12.00 and we've turned back into a pumpkin.
Quality analysis right there, good one Lods.
*thumbs up emoticon wanted*
The fact the coach publicly stated the 11 o'clock is enough for me to think he is not the man!
Another loss to a bottom 4 side. Drums should be beating
Thats what I say, but Kruddler thinks its all fine...
Lets all have a drink :P :P :P
No, i think you are trolling.
Woody gets it...
Jesus. I do not blame MM for this. Players either have heart or they don't. Two things became clear. The old guard need to leave/traded/retire to allow MM and the young ones to set a new culture. If Judd stays another year after that effort from his team mates I would be amazed. They should not offer him a new contract and focus on life without him.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
We did it again: an 'honourable loss', but a loss all the same against a team we should be pounding. Even Richmond pounded them.
My last post on the in game thread was, that flatters us. it was a long way from being an honorable loss.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.
How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!
Has done a poor mans Freo and made it a ugly game of rolling contests, low scoring bore fests...sure it has stopped the beatings but that footy wont win a premiership.
How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!
We're not getting belted either, the only hiding we've copped was Essendon.
We're three players short, hopefully Kreuzer is good to go next season, Cripps comes through and Buckley keeps improving, and it would be handy if Garlett started playing some good football again.
Things can turn around fairly quickly.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
Haven't seen the game but from reports on here nothing much has changed in the month I've been away. Whoever is going to coach our club is going to need plenty of new players that have the skills and heart required for AFL success - we sure as hell have not currently got anywhere near enough it seems.
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Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.
Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.
You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
Yes. I suggested it a few days ago in the prematch thread and posted it again today at the start of the game when Murphy was pulled out.
Look, I understand the thinking, but is Micks statement that he was wasn't happy with the team or the leadehip effort, genuine?.
We lost by a kick and a half.
Cutting it close if he wanted to lose.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
That's probably true but it shouldn't stop folk questioning the wisdom of appointing Malthouse in the first place. Unless he pulls the pin, he'll be our coach until the end of 2015. Some other bunny will then be brought in to try to make us competitive.
As for turning things around, Ken Hinckley has done a pretty good job with the Port Adelaide basket case.
People can go on about Malthouse as much as they like but the truth is we've got way too many sub-standard footballers playing in our team with plenty more waiting in the wings. Turned off the radio at 3/4 time knowing full well we weren't going anywhere. Just hoping for a couple of flukes now against the filth and the scum and honestly we could do it. That's how erratic we are.
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.
How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!
How many older disinterested players are there at Melbourne?
Who is the leader at Melbourne, Nathan Jones. He sets the example, the kids are starting to follow.
Mick is pulling the players in the right area, showing that we can be competitive against the big bad sides, but we fall over against the crap sides.
Is 'the gameplan' to blame for that? I don't think so.
Its the players ability to switch on and pull their finger out.
Nobody looked interested today. After running the cats and the hawks close the last 2 weeks, they just expected to go through the motions and win. Mick would never expect that, but the players do. How can Mick change that?
Change the players.
Change the culture.Previous 'hacks' like White and Rowe are not just getting a game under Mick, but they are flourishing. Why is that? They do the small things, the team things. They cannot fall back on past glories to justify their existance, they have none. They have to play every game like it could be their last, because it could. Daisy has copped a lot of criticism because of his pay packet, but he plays the same way...and that is a rarity amongst our list, at least consistency of it is.
Waite, Mr Inconsistency. Can't blame Mick for his ups and downs as he's had them from Pagan to Ratten and now to Malthouse. When players like him are shown the door, we will be better off.
Unfortunately, our record of recruiting/developing people to take over from him has been abysmal.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.
Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.
You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
Malthouse sent Collingwood to the bottom before he could raise them...they stuck fat with him and rebuilt...do you think Mick will get that same luxury with us?
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.
How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!
Has done a poor mans Freo and made it a ugly game of rolling contests, low scoring bore fests...sure it has stopped the beatings but that footy wont win a premiership.
That's true, but the reason he's done this is to build self confidence and self belief in the players, in which case you'd have to say he's done very well thus far. Of course they won't beat Hawks, Freo, Port etc. but at this point in time, that's not the objective. I reckon the Dees players go into every game now believing they can either win, or give it a real crack. A stark contrast to recent past seasons.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.
Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.
You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
Malthouse sent Collingwood to the bottom before he could raise them...they stuck fat with him and rebuilt...do you think Mick will get that same luxury with us?
If by "us" you mean people on the forum, NO.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.
Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.
You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
Malthouse sent Collingwood to the bottom before he could raise them...they stuck fat with him and rebuilt...do you think Mick will get that same luxury with us?
Collingwood only really bottomed out for one injury ravaged season, picked up Pendlebury and Thomas, got their players back and shot straight back up.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
The "sack Malthouse crew" will probably tell you they never wanted him here in the first place.
The sack Malthouse crew will tell you that there are many issues at our club, of which the coach is but one.
The sack Malthouse crew will tell you that want to see all players improving and all players playing to their potential, not just half.
The sack malthouse crew will look at Port and Melbourne relative to where they were 12 months ago and wonder.
Our recent history is plagued by at least three magic bullets :
1. the high draft pick magic bullet
2. the superstar player magic bullet
3. the superstar coach magic bullet.
Personally, I find the idea of tanking ideologically repugnant, and I think it does more damage to the players spirits than you can imagine.
Edit : added point
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.
How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!
Has done a poor mans Freo and made it a ugly game of rolling contests, low scoring bore fests...sure it has stopped the beatings but that footy wont win a premiership.
Well, that's what they said about the Swans when he was there. Demetriou labelled them the "ugly ducklings" to which Roos took offence to the insult and made no apologies for the way they played. 2 years later, they were premiers.
I'm not saying Roos will turn Melbourne into a premiership team, I'm just saying he's made significant inroads to changing the way they play, and in essence, changing the results. All in a short space of time.
The new President, Mark la la land, if he didn't know before, knows now that he needs to get his head down and arse up and get rid of the deadwood on the board, one bloke I know on there has got the ability of a flea, get the right personnel in and sack the idiots who recruited Watson, Mitchell, Bootsma and Lucas.
Mick has got to stop with this, "we pick the team that can win the game cr@p" and put in some young blokes. Carrots is gone. Can't run and kicks the ball in the air when he passes it. Carrots out, Graham in. Put Johnson in, and try the Irishman. Even give Cameron Wood a go.
Now about Rowe. Aside from the Brisbane Lions, I cannot think of another team where Rowe would get a regular game and he might have difficulty getting one there. Like all of you, I admire his magnificent fight to beat the disease with which he was afflicted. I have said here that he has improved over the last 7 or so rounds, but the level he is at now, is just not good enough to hold down a key position at AfL level. He does his best, but his best isn't good enough. He said in the interview today that he's a fighter. You have to be to beat cancer. But that fighting quality can't mask a lack of skill and ability.
He is easily pushed off the ball. Sometimes you get a second effort, other times it's as if he is asleep and stands back watching the action going on around him. He is not an attacking defender. Jammo will get the ball, and when possible will commence an attacking move from the back line. Rowe, won't or more probably, can't do that. I know how much the coach admires him, but he will not be part of a top four team.
Waite, is on his last legs, legs that go from under him at least 10 times in every game. If he misses a mark, upon landing, he can't keep his feet. his kicking has always been a problem as has is his lack of discipline. Walker, has been over rated for years, and should, if he is to continue, play in the forward line. he cannot hit a Carlton player on the chest with a pass to save his life. In the forward line, that aspect of his game is basically removed.
Levi, has got a long way to go. He was downright lazy today, and aside from when he went into the ruck showed and did nothing. Judd is coming to the end. maybe one more season only because this one has been a write off, but I wouldn't be surprised if he gave it away. his wife, who is a footy tragic where Chris is concerned and can quote his stats chapter and verse, may have some influence in his decision. if he does play on, it may be her input which has made him decide to do so.
Simmo, is getting to the end. Blokes like Everrit, Docherty and Henderson need to improve another 50%-100% to be major players in a team aspiring to make the top four. I won't go through the rest, but IMO we have got a ong long way to go to be competitive.
Yes, we will show flashes of brilliance, and yes, we will put up the good fight against the top teams, and i expect us to do so against the Pies.
But we need a clean out of all the dead wood at the club from the bottom to the top, and if the club do this and show that they mean business, I for one am prepared to wait a couple of years to see us in the eight if not in the four.
But no more than that.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
If we seemed like we had some direction, I might not be so fussed.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
The "sack Malthouse crew" will probably tell you they never wanted him here in the first place.
The sack Malthouse crew will tell you that there are many issues at our club, of which the coach is but one.
The sack Malthouse crew will tell you that want to see all players improving and all players playing to their potential, not just half.
The sack malthouse crew will look at Port and Melbourne relative to where they were 12 months ago and wonder.
Our recent history is plagued by at least three magic bullets :
1. the high draft pick magic bullet
2. the superstar player magic bullet
3. the superstar coach magic bullet.
Personally, I find the idea of tanking ideologically repugnant, and I think it does more damage to the players spirits than you can imagine.
Edit : added point
Nicely put. Exactamondo. I am confident enough in our present President and Senior Coach to believe that 'tanking' is, as you so well put, 'repugnant' and will never figure any kind of consideration. We must set out every week to win... so we can assertain who are the hackers and who are the non-hackers.
We need an effective bullet to the head of magic bullet thinking. And I think it is at last happening.
I was heartened, in a sad kind of way, that MM acknowledged what he did in tonight's media conference - that he can see the softness come when we play sides outside the 8 ...and doesn't know why. That kind of honesty is refreshing and good. No problem was ever solved by pretending it doesn't / didn't exist. There are likely a number of reasons but I cannot help but believe that the losing culture from 2002, combined with an arrogant disregard for sharp recruiting and development, has damaged a number of blokes betweent the lugholes - too many of our top draft picks in particular.
Really feel like Carazzo is coming to the end.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
Wasn't MM appointed "As the Magic Bullet", isn't that the whole point, so how is this an MM defence? :o
I recall club or coach comments like,
"The list is better than I thought"
"Things can turn around really quickly"
"We are at 11 o'clock"
"There is plenty of quality in this list"
"We need to target a flag before the likes of Judd, Scotland, Simmo and Carazzo retire"
Really feel like Carazzo is coming to the end.
I'm not totally convinced he's gone but having him, Curnow and McLean rotating through the midfield won't scare the daylights out of many other teams.
We can cover for it if Judd, Murphy and Gibbs are all up and about but if one of them is missing or down on form we're sunk.
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
Wasn't MM appointed "As the Magic Bullet", isn't that the whole point, so how is this an MM defence? :o
I recall club or coach comments like,
"The list is better than I thought"
"Things can turn around really quickly"
"We are at 11 o'clock"
"There is plenty of quality in this list"
"We need to target a flag before the likes of Judd, Scotland, Simmo and Carazzo retire"
Here is the reality version.
The list sucks
We are in a dive to the bottom
Try 6am est
When Judd retires we lose 50% of our quality...
Didnt know Simmo, Carrots etc were expected to play into their forties....
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.
Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.
You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
Malthouse sent Collingwood to the bottom before he could raise them...they stuck fat with him and rebuilt...do you think Mick will get that same luxury with us?
Collingwood only really bottomed out for one injury ravaged season, picked up Pendlebury and Thomas, got their players back and shot straight back up.
Was pretty handy that Trav Cloke fell into their laps under F/S as well.
Wasn't MM appointed "As the Magic Bullet", isn't that the whole point, so how is this an MM defence? :o
Malthouse wasn't appointed as a magic bullet, he was appointed when the club finally acknowledged that Ratten's appointment was a monumental blunder.
We will look back in years to come and wonder what on earth our board was thinking, then the realisation will dawn that at the time memberships and sponsors were more important than winning games of football.
Malthouse now has to pick up the pieces of that train wreck, I don't envy his task.
Malthouse wasn't appointed as a magic bullet, he was appointed when the club finally acknowledged that Ratten's appointment was a monumental blunder.
We will look back in years to come and wonder what on earth our board was thinking, then the realisation will dawn that at the time memberships and sponsors were more important than winning games of football.
Malthouse now has to pick up the pieces of that train wreck, I don't envy his task.
You cannot selectively attack some statements and ignore others, both the coach and the club pushed a tilt at a flag within three years. They made such statements and claims throughout MMs first pre-season and again a various times over the last 18 months. That is as "Magic Bullet" as it gets.
Didn't front up mentally ready to play and the also rans got shown up for ability as a result. Not good enough... and not fit enough to cover for a lack of class.
Too many so-called senior players going through the motions - they realise the season is done and a few blokes in self-preservation mode. Expect some fearful floggings and no wins before the season is out... the end of 2014 can't come fast enough for this group. Will be touch and go to avoid the spoon.
Will be interesting to see who has the desire to play the games out and which ones just stink it up for the rest of the year.... I know which ones I'd be flicking.
Malthouse must stop piddling around and stop playing the non hackers. Results are irrelevant to his future now... he must chart the course for the future now because the closest we will get to finals is watching them. We need to see who can play and who can't between now and the EOY.
Can't see Judd continuing next year... why should the great man besmirch his career by going an extra year with a club that is years from being a contender.
You cannot selectively attack some statements and ignore others, both the coach and the club pushed a tilt at a flag within three years. They made such statements and claims throughout MMs first pre-season and again a various times over the last 18 months. That is as "Magic Bullet" as it gets.
It's more marketing in my opinion, but I would hope that Malthouse honestly believes that he can take us to a flag in the next few years, if he doesn't then we're really in strife.
Kreuzer will make a huge difference, some natural improvement and some astute recruiting and all is not lost.
Scrubbers can play decent football if they've got better players around them, but at the moment the scrubbers are too thick on the ground.
The new President, Mark la la land, if he didn't know before, knows now that he needs to get his head down and arse up and get rid of the deadwood on the board, one bloke I know on there has got the ability of a flea, get the right personnel in and sack the idiots who recruited Watson, Mitchell, Bootsma and Lucas.
Mick has got to stop with this, "we pick the team that can win the game cr@p" and put in some young blokes. Carrots is gone. Can't run and kicks the ball in the air when he passes it. Carrots out, Graham in. Put Johnson in, and try the Irishman. Even give Cameron Wood a go.
Now about Rowe. Aside from the Brisbane Lions, I cannot think of another team where Rowe would get a regular game and he might have difficulty getting one there. Like all of you, I admire his magnificent fight to beat the disease with which he was afflicted. I have said here that he has improved over the last 7 or so rounds, but the level he is at now, is just not good enough to hold down a key position at AfL level. He does his best, but his best isn't good enough. He said in the interview today that he's a fighter. You have to be to beat cancer. But that fighting quality can't mask a lack of skill and ability.
He is easily pushed off the ball. Sometimes you get a second effort, other times it's as if he is asleep and stands back watching the action going on around him. He is not an attacking defender. Jammo will get the ball, and when possible will commence an attacking move from the back line. Rowe, won't or more probably, can't do that. I know how much the coach admires him, but he will not be part of a top four team.
Rowe is no superstar but he is more then serviceable in only his second year trying to hold down a key position in a bottom 6 team where the ball flys jn under little pressure the bulk of the time yet and he is one of handful of players that is in gun after a loss.
The fact is 3/4 of our team is easily pushed off ball, 3/4 lack skill, 3/4 lack ability and 3/4 can't hold down a key position.
Can anyone highlight what improvements Mick has engineered? The list is the list. Yes. But is there anyone he has generally improved - either by coaching them to be better / smarter players or by positional changes?
Looking at Roos as an example, he has been able to directly influence improvement in the likes of Watts, Dunn and Frawley simply by changing them positionally. And he's been able to improve them as a team, despite losing key personnel up forward. Some hate his style because it's boring and ugly. But I would much rather be tougher to score against and win ugly than to constantly bleed goals in 'honourable' losses.
I just don't get what Mick is trying to implement. And I don't think the players do either.
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...
That Bolton guy seems To go alright.
It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....
A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.
Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.
You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
Malthouse sent Collingwood to the bottom before he could raise them...they stuck fat with him and rebuilt...do you think Mick will get that same luxury with us?
Collingwood only really bottomed out for one injury ravaged season, picked up Pendlebury and Thomas, got their players back and shot straight back up.
After 2003 GF they finished 13th and 15th the next 2 years then back up to 6th.
I'm with you on that one LLS.. just WTF has the great Mick Malthouse done...? I just don't see it. Thus far he has overseen us plummet towards the bottom with no sign of the crash dive being arrested.
Wasn't MM appointed "As the Magic Bullet", isn't that the whole point, so how is this an MM defence? :o
Malthouse wasn't appointed as a magic bullet, he was appointed when the club finally acknowledged that Ratten's appointment was a monumental blunder.
We will look back in years to come and wonder what on earth our board was thinking, then the realisation will dawn that at the time memberships and sponsors were more important than winning games of football.
Malthouse now has to pick up the pieces of that train wreck, I don't envy his task.
That so-called mistake of a coach had us playing finals again. Since 2001 Ratts has been the only one capable achieving that. Watched the highlights on Ch7 of the 2011 SF again against West Coast. A very undermanned side really had a crack and near won. Looked like I was watching a completely different side. Where's that effort now? Essentially the same side. I knew we were undermanned but i didn't until it was mentioned that we only had 4 players over 190cm on the ground after half time. You actually see, watching that, what a good job Ratts did.
Not that it had any bearing on the result, but can anyone explain how McLean could cop a forearm under the chin 5 metres from the umpire and not get a free kick?
You actually see, watching that, what a good job Ratts did.
We'll never agree about Ratten.
Not that it had any bearing on the result, but can anyone explain how McLean could cop a forearm under the chin 5 metres from the umpire and not get a free kick?
He plays for Carlton!
Wasn't MM appointed "As the Magic Bullet", isn't that the whole point, so how is this an MM defence? :o
Malthouse wasn't appointed as a magic bullet, he was appointed when the club finally acknowledged that Ratten's appointment was a monumental blunder.
We will look back in years to come and wonder what on earth our board was thinking, then the realisation will dawn that at the time memberships and sponsors were more important than winning games of football.
Malthouse now has to pick up the pieces of that train wreck, I don't envy his task.
That so-called mistake of a coach had us playing finals again. Since 2001 Ratts has been the only one capable achieving that. Watched the highlights on Ch7 of the 2011 SF again against West Coast. A very undermanned side really had a crack and near won. Looked like I was watching a completely different side. Where's that effort now? Essentially the same side. I knew we were undermanned but i didn't until it was mentioned that we only had 4 players over 190cm on the ground after half time. You actually see, watching that, what a good job Ratts did.
+1. Sigh...............
You actually see, watching that, what a good job Ratts did.
We'll never agree about Ratten.
Probably not.
But I can point to the scoreboard!
Today's result was really immaterial because let's face, we're crap and the season is a bust anyway but if I was a board member I'd be asking Mick just why we keep losing to lower ranked sides.... and what he intends to do about it in the future. Because to be quite frank, if Mick wants to continue this kind of crap needs to stop.
Wasn't MM appointed "As the Magic Bullet", isn't that the whole point, so how is this an MM defence? :o
Malthouse wasn't appointed as a magic bullet, he was appointed when the club finally acknowledged that Ratten's appointment was a monumental blunder.
We will look back in years to come and wonder what on earth our board was thinking, then the realisation will dawn that at the time memberships and sponsors were more important than winning games of football.
Malthouse now has to pick up the pieces of that train wreck, I don't envy his task.
That so-called mistake of a coach had us playing finals again. Since 2001 Ratts has been the only one capable achieving that. Watched the highlights on Ch7 of the 2011 SF again against West Coast. A very undermanned side really had a crack and near won. Looked like I was watching a completely different side. Where's that effort now? Essentially the same side. I knew we were undermanned but i didn't until it was mentioned that we only had 4 players over 190cm on the ground after half time. You actually see, watching that, what a good job Ratts did.
+1. Sigh...............
X2
Don't bother arguing with B4L, he used to say Ratts should be winning a premiership with this list lol.
Board got mm to win a flag
Flag not gunna happen
Hence sticks swann walk away..
Today's result was really immaterial because let's face, we're crap and the season is a bust anyway but if I was a board member I'd be asking Mick just why we keep losing to lower ranked sides.... and what he intends to do about it in the future. Because to be quite frank, if Mick wants to continue this kind of crap needs to stop.
He'll coach next year, if we get to round 17 or 18 next year and we're no better than we are now he'll be gone at year's end.
If Malthouse can't improve us then it's back to the drawing board but it's going to get a lot harder for Victorian teams in the future so it could be a long time between drinks.
But I can point to the scoreboard!
Elimination Final wins don't do it for me, Malthouse is already one from one on that scoreboard.
we looked very slow across the ground today, surely in future we shouldnt play mclean, curnow and carazzo in the same game
If MM isn't contracted to coach next year I'd like to know why he should automatically get an extension because we have had 4 defeats this season as bad as any since 2000. I'd like to see him present something tangible before he gets another year because to be quite honest I reckon half this site could oversee a rebuild and win say 4 games... why do we need to pay some plunker on $1 000 000 for the privilege? I rather put that money into poaching a real list manager and a setting up a fair dinkum development academy. That's at least 50% of the problem right there.
But we will smurfy because Mick won't drop any of those three and there is no pace in the two's with Bucks injured. The only outside run is Lucas and well, we've seen enough there haven't we?
Face it, our list structure is screwing diabolical. No young rucks, no pacy mids, no young KP players.
But I can point to the scoreboard!
Elimination Final wins don't do it for me, Malthouse is already one from one on that scoreboard.
Better than nothing, which is what we usually get.
If you want to compare coaching performances who since 2001 has the best record by far at this club.
Paul Roos has his teams supporters having faith in the squad and the side looks a chance to win each and every game they play. We on the other hand see another loss before the first bounce of the ball, and the faith gets worse each and every quarter of the game. Losing to Collingwood to be 4 and 10 will be some real pain for us here, but to lose to St Kilda the following week to be 4 and 11 will be a complete train wreck. We will have lost to every side under us on the ladder by then, by the look of things. WTF is going on with this club ???
Can anyone highlight what improvements Mick has engineered? The list is the list. Yes. But is there anyone he has generally improved - either by coaching them to be better / smarter players or by positional changes?
Looking at Roos as an example, he has been able to directly influence improvement in the likes of Watts, Dunn and Frawley simply by changing them positionally. And he's been able to improve them as a team, despite losing key personnel up forward. Some hate his style because it's boring and ugly. But I would much rather be tougher to score against and win ugly than to constantly bleed goals in 'honourable' losses.
I just don't get what Mick is trying to implement. And I don't think the players do either.
Casboult has been a huge improver under Malthouse. Given him the confidence to feel like he actually belongs.
Both Menzel and Buckley are clear improvers.
The obvious positional change improvement has to be Rowe. Was a key forward/part time ruck who is now a full time defender.
Yarran whilst still has some work to do, is playing the best footy of his career.
They are the obvious standouts.
Others you could mount a reasonable case for would be White, Robinson, Curnow and Ellard.
Personally i don't think the players are willing to commit 100% effort 100% of the time. When they commit, they look a million bucks. When they don't they lose to Brisbane, GWS and Melbourne.
we looked very slow across the ground today, surely in future we shouldnt play mclean, curnow and carazzo in the same game
We should have stopped playing McLean when it was apparent that finals were out of the equation.
Personally i don't think the players are willing to commit 100% effort 100% of the time. When they commit, they look a million bucks. When they don't they lose to Brisbane, GWS and Melbourne.
The rest of the competition doesn't stand still and wait for Carlton to catch up, the only way to climb the mountain is by sheer hard work.
We've had more bad games than good this season but we lost two of our best five players for long periods and today we lost our best before the first bounce, if Murphy played today we win and the mood wouldn't be so sour.
It sucks to be looking towards next year so early in the season but that's the reality, we can only trust that Malthouse is the man to put together a team that can compete with the best and show them how to win.
If you want to compare coaching performances who since 2001 has the best record by far at this club.
To be honest I don't want to compare coaching performances for the worst ten years in our club's history, I'd rather put those years behind us.
Tanking.
As emtwenty points out elsewhere Judd was rotated off the ground with 2 mins to go and didnt come back.
Our skills by both hand and foot are simply awful.
We get killed from our turnovers week in week out.
Poor kicking is poor football, 4 set shots in the 2nd qtr for a net result of 3 points. We only needed 2 of those to be goals for the win !!
Apply the same logic equally to both sides and they still would have beaten us. They were more inaccurate than we were.
If you want to compare coaching performances who since 2001 has the best record by far at this club.
To be honest I don't want to compare coaching performances for the worst ten years in our club's history, I'd rather put those years behind us.
Think we all agree on that.
Tanking.
As emtwenty points out elsewhere Judd was rotated off the ground with 2 mins to go and didnt come back.
I admit I was surprised to see Yarran and Menzel sitting down with a few minutes to go, probably two of the few players we've got who could kick a couple of goals in a hurry.
But do I think we're tanking? - no.
Tanking.
As emtwenty points out elsewhere Judd was rotated off the ground with 2 mins to go and didnt come back.
I admit I was surprised to see Yarran and Menzel sitting down with a few minutes to go, probably two of the few players we've got who could kick a couple of goals in a hurry.
But do I think we're tanking? - no.
I know warnock was ordinary, but I think Cas took the last few minutes as well.
It's an old statement but when you want to change the game you have your best players around the ball, we didn't.
The only way you can get away with tanking is if you don't tell the players.
Our skills by both hand and foot are simply awful.
We get killed from our turnovers week in week out.
I been saying that for years
Supporters should not fall in love with these players.
Its like horse racing...we have take poor horses off to stud or pasture...
The only way you can get away with tanking is if you don't tell the players.
So they didn't tell the players to miss tackles, kick over their team mates head, handball to GWS or at players boots, stand and watch while the opposition attacked the ball or generally play like school girls?
You mean the players did all that on their own initiative?????
Jesus wept.
The only way you can get away with tanking is if you don't tell the players.
So they didn't tell the players to miss tackles, kick over their team mates head, handball to GWS or at players boots, stand and watch while the opposition attacked the ball or generally play like school girls?
You mean the players did all that on their own initiative?????
Jesus wept.
Yep.
It's easy to be bad without direction.
Murph could be in on it, but I doubt anyone else would.
That late withdrawal is suss.
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Hit. Nail. Head.
Yep.
It's easy to be bad without direction.
Murph could be in on it, but I doubt anyone else would.
That late withdrawal is suss.
I'd love to believe it, but I don't.
Which is tough, because it means we really are that bad.
But we will smurfy because Mick won't drop any of those three and there is no pace in the two's with Bucks injured. The only outside run is Lucas and well, we've seen enough there haven't we?
Face it, our list structure is screwing diabolical. No young rucks, no pacy mids, no young KP players.
it was only a few years ago, we were touted as the fastest mid in the comp - seems like an eternity
Our skills by both hand and foot are simply awful.
We get killed from our turnovers week in week out.
Did you see the stats on the screen during the first quarter, that showed at the time GWS had scored 3 of their 4 goals from Carlton turnovers. Unbelievable.
That sort of stat surely can't be blamed on the coach (for those who are blaming him)?
As others have said, the trio of Carrazzo, McLean & Curnow cannot play in the same team.....each of them may be tackling & contested footy machines, but if the ball gets on the outside, we are dead in the water.
Btw - is it folly to suggest that Warnock should be dropped for Wood? I can't handle another week of Warnock lumbering around doing feck all.....I really can't.
There's no question that some players are more skillful than others, but at this level, not executing basic skills is between the ears stuff. Did anyone watch Port last season ? They couldn't handball to a teammate standing 5m away. Skills were worse than ours. Now they look slick as all get out.
The only way you can get away with tanking is if you don't tell the players.
So they didn't tell the players to miss tackles, kick over their team mates head, handball to GWS or at players boots, stand and watch while the opposition attacked the ball or generally play like school girls?
You mean the players did all that on their own initiative?????
Jesus wept.
Yep.
It's easy to be bad without direction.
Murph could be in on it, but I doubt anyone else would.
That late withdrawal is suss.
Melbourne, Brisbane, Richmond tell us the team is well capable of performance s like that without anyone looking to lose.
Maybe we threw it but the loss isn't an anomaly.
Others you could mount a reasonable case for would be White, Robinson, Curnow and Ellard.
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Curnow no doubt. White no doubt but he's just gone from crap to suck.
Ellard, Robbo are clearly worse IMO.
We were again shown a lesson in th4e stakes of old hacks v young kids with skill playing the modern game together. We have far too many hacks on our list, and that played on Sunday, and the Giants simply had too many kids with skill, class, poise, pace and hunger.
Id like to see us rebuild of sorts. there are a number of blokes id trade out and/or delist. I know MM says we wont cut deep but gee that was again just simply deplorable and embarrassing. We are playing slow, selfish, out of touch football with blokes who are simply either past it or not up to it. Not all of them but a large chunk IMHO!
If we had any sense of the future we'd be chasing Kristian Jaksch and Tim Membrey hard for a start. We'd be trading up in the ND position of picks. We'd be hunting a number of midfielders also.
WTF has happened with Lachie Henderson? Seriously, what is going on with this guy? The "Oh - but he missed a massive chunk of the pre-season" excuse no longer cuts it @ round 14......something's gotten into this guy's head & he simpy hasn't got a clue or the desire out there at the monent & it's hurting us. He's a deadset witches hat right now.
WTF has happened with Lachie Henderson? Seriously, what is going on with this guy? The "Oh - but he missed a massive chunk of the pre-season" excuse no longer cuts it @ round 14......something's gotten into this guy's head & he simpy hasn't got a clue or the desire out there at the monent & it's hurting us. He's a deadset witches hat right now.
Yep...it's getting a bit late now for the pre-season argument.
It's probably time for him to go back to defence....or out for a rest (plays like he's still injured).
By the same token there was a bit of a difference between the GWS delivery to Patton and the Carlton delivery to Henderson.
But you have to run to position and attack the ball with intent. And chase when they rebound with it across half back....
WTF has happened with Lachie Henderson? Seriously, what is going on with this guy? The "Oh - but he missed a massive chunk of the pre-season" excuse no longer cuts it @ round 14......something's gotten into this guy's head & he simpy hasn't got a clue or the desire out there at the monent & it's hurting us. He's a deadset witches hat right now.
One thing is for sure, it's all the player's fault.
WTF has happened with Lachie Henderson? Seriously, what is going on with this guy? The "Oh - but he missed a massive chunk of the pre-season" excuse no longer cuts it @ round 14......something's gotten into this guy's head & he simpy hasn't got a clue or the desire out there at the monent & it's hurting us. He's a deadset witches hat right now.
Yep...it's getting a bit late now for the pre-season argument.
It's probably time for him to go back to defence....or out for a rest (plays like he's still injured).
By the same token there was a bit of a difference between the GWS delivery to Patton and the Carlton delivery to Henderson.
A week away from the club for Lauchie to get his head straight and then into the NBs.
WTF has happened with Lachie Henderson? Seriously, what is going on with this guy? The "Oh - but he missed a massive chunk of the pre-season" excuse no longer cuts it @ round 14......something's gotten into this guy's head & he simpy hasn't got a clue or the desire out there at the monent & it's hurting us. He's a deadset witches hat right now.
Lachie has only played a few good games at CHF, it's a very tough position to play and only the good ones cut it.
He's not the player a lot of Carlton supporters think he is, he's no hack but he's no gun either.
He didn't have it easy yesterday, Waite was playing well up the ground and Casboult gave us nothing, and the delivery was haphazard at best.
He needs to go back but that probably means Rowe forward, and he's definitely not up to CHF.
We're paying the price for a succession of recruiting failures.
Henderson is a CHB who you swing forward for a lift but not every week.......like I have said many times he has been played out of form.
WTF has happened with Lachie Henderson? Seriously, what is going on with this guy? The "Oh - but he missed a massive chunk of the pre-season" excuse no longer cuts it @ round 14......something's gotten into this guy's head & he simpy hasn't got a clue or the desire out there at the monent & it's hurting us. He's a deadset witches hat right now.
Missing chunks of the pre-season does have more effect as the season goes. Without that base that's oh so important you get to this time of the year and your tired. Your touch has gone as had the confidence. That's the same for any sportsperson, not just a footballer. Worse for KP players as they rely on touch and confidence alot.
He's had good games as well Jimbo.......that's too much of a cop out for mine.