With the draft and trade period immanent, who goes out from the side below (my best 22):
FB Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Rowe Yarran
C Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF Walker Henderson Menzel
FF Buckley Casboult Carrazzo
FOL Kreuzer Murphy Judd
INT Shehan Curnow Watson Wood
Emergency
Graham Bell Cripps
With the draft and trade period immanent, who goes out from the side below (my best 22):
FB Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Rowe Yarran
C Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF Walker Henderson Menzel
FF Buckley Casboult Carrazzo
FOL Kreuzer Murphy Judd
INT Shehan Curnow Watson Wood
Emergency
Graham Bell Cripps
I should clarify, I assume Waite, Robbo, Jeffy are gonski.
For mine, Buckley needs to stay in defence. Either 2E or Everitt can make room for him.
With the draft and trade period immanent, who goes out from the side below (my best 22):
FB Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Rowe Yarran
C Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF Walker Henderson Menzel
FF Buckley Casboult Carrazzo
FOL Kreuzer Murphy Judd
INT Shehan Curnow Watson Wood
Emergency
Graham Bell Cripps
I should clarify, I assume Waite, Robbo, Jeffy are gonski.
You don't think we'll draft a player from another club?
For mine, Buckley needs to stay in defence. Either 2E or Everitt can make room for him.
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With the draft and trade period immanent, who goes out from the side below (my best 22):
FB Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Rowe Yarran
C Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF Walker Henderson Menzel
FF Buckley Casboult Carrazzo
FOL Kreuzer Murphy Judd
INT Shehan Curnow Watson Wood
Emergency
Graham Bell Cripps
I should clarify, I assume Waite, Robbo, Jeffy are gonski.
You don't think we'll draft a player from another club?
For mine, Buckley needs to stay in defence. Either 2E or Everitt can make room for him.
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Reckon we will draft a couple ......Mick will probably get Cox to sign on and we seem to be well in the hunt for Kristian Jaksch and there is always
everyones favourite free agent in Shaun Higgins.
Add our No 1 draft pick who if they are pick 6 should be close to first rnd selection then there will be several changes...
If Cox plays...Wood would be out
Jaksch in....Watson out...
Higgins in ...Buckley out
I think Carrazzo might struggle for senior selection given we will look to play more kids like Cripps, Graham etc,,,,
Touhy needs a good season.....he is probably lucky we have Sheehan and Byrne who need mentoring...
With the draft and trade period immanent, who goes out from the side below (my best 22):
FB Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Rowe Yarran
C Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF Walker Henderson Menzel
FF Buckley Casboult Carrazzo
FOL Kreuzer Murphy Judd
INT Shehan Curnow Watson Wood
Emergency
Graham Bell Cripps
I should clarify, I assume Waite, Robbo, Jeffy are gonski.
You don't think we'll draft a player from another club?
For mine, Buckley needs to stay in defence. Either 2E or Everitt can make room for him.
Reckon we will draft a couple ......Mick will probably get Cox to sign on and we seem to be well in the hunt for Kristian Jaksch and there is always
everyones favourite free agent in Shaun Higgins.
Add our No 1 draft pick who if they are pick 6 should be close to first rnd selection then there will be several changes...
If Cox plays...Wood would be out
Jaksch in....Watson out...
Higgins in ...Buckley out
I think Carrazzo might struggle for senior selection given we will look to play more kids like Cripps, Graham etc,,,,
Touhy needs a good season.....he is probably lucky we have Sheehan and Byrne who need mentoring...
[/quote]Good work EB, thats what I was looking for. I guess it shows that it needs to be a significant upgrade to push out those above.
Moved to relevant thread.....
Lets face it with another draft the balance of the list will change.
The Strugglers going forward.
Walker
Carrazzo
Jamo
Sheehan
Wood
Cripps and Graham must play every game.
With the draft and trade period immanent, who goes out from the side below (my best 22):
FB Docherty Jamison Tuohy
HB Everitt Rowe Yarran
C Simpson Gibbs Thomas
HF Walker Henderson Menzel
FF Buckley Casboult Carrazzo
FOL Kreuzer Murphy Judd
INT Shehan Curnow Watson Wood
Emergency
Graham Bell Cripps
Out:
Sheehan
Curnow
Watson
Wood
In:
Higgins?
Cripps
Jaksch?
Cox?
If somehow we land Mitch Clark then Casboult goes out.
Lets face it with another draft the balance of the list will change.
The Strugglers going forward.
Walker
Carrazzo
Jamo
Sheehan
Wood
Cripps and Graham must play every game.
Wouldn't have Sheehan as a struggler going forward. Reckon he'll only go from strength to strength.
I reckon Sheehan looks like an excellent prospect - IMO potentially our best Irish recruit yet.
Going a bit early aren't we? ;D
Going a bit early aren't we? ;D
:))
I guess this thread could set a record for the longest running.....
Going a bit early aren't we? ;D
:))
I guess this thread could set a record for the longest running.....
Only because the Essendon threads have been restarted a few times...
Question: Can Walker be the extra big bodied mid we need in the guts? Used at HB and HF, can he be part of the midfield full time next year with some tweaking of the lineup and some upcoming drafting? 190cm and has a big tank.
Question: Can Walker be the extra big bodied mid we need in the guts? Used at HB and HF, can he be part of the midfield full time next year with some tweaking of the lineup and some upcoming drafting? 190cm and has a big tank.
1AW is not a lateral movement type, I cannot see him succeeding in the midfield.
Can we wait to see who we have on our list 1st?!! :o :)
Can we wait to see who we have on our list 1st?!! :o :)
My point is things like this affect how we delist and draft/trade.
Can we wait to see who we have on our list 1st?!! :o :)
My point is things like this affect how we delist and draft/trade.
Fair enough, I think a look at our depth chart shows we have a bit of a shortage in our KPP dept.
So I understand why we are chasing Jaksch and I would imagine we will probably try to get another KPP as well in the draft with 1 of our 1st couple of picks.
We're also a bit short on small forwards, especially if Jeffy leaves and Menzel moves in to the midfield.
We do have depth in the midfield, but the quality drops off quicker than I would like.
It's hard to fix every thing at once !!
Can we wait to see who we have on our list 1st?!! :o :)
My point is things like this affect how we delist and draft/trade.
Fair enough, I think a look at our depth chart shows we have a bit of a shortage in our KPP dept.
So I understand why we are chasing Jaksch and I would imagine we will probably try to get another KPP as well in the draft with 1 of our 1st couple of picks.
We're also a bit short on small forwards, especially if Jeffy leaves and Menzel moves in to the midfield.
We do have depth in the midfield, but the quality drops off quicker than I would like.
It's hard to fix every thing at once !!
Judd, Carrazzo, Brock all going at the end of next season is going to hurt our midfield in terms of experience......you will have Murphy, Gibbs and then a big gap to the next best mid...Bell, Graham, Buckley, Cripps , Holman, Curnow...that lot wont be troubling Sydney for a few seasons..I can see why we are chasing Mitchell to try and get some A grade support for Gibbs and Murphy, but he too is still a novice.
No love for Daisy EB1?!
What you say is also a good reason to bring in someone like Higgins IMO, assuming he can run through the midfield a bit !!
Can we wait to see who we have on our list 1st?!! :o :)
My point is things like this affect how we delist and draft/trade.
Fair enough, I think a look at our depth chart shows we have a bit of a shortage in our KPP dept.
So I understand why we are chasing Jaksch and I would imagine we will probably try to get another KPP as well in the draft with 1 of our 1st couple of picks.
We're also a bit short on small forwards, especially if Jeffy leaves and Menzel moves in to the midfield.
We do have depth in the midfield, but the quality drops off quicker than I would like.
It's hard to fix every thing at once !!
Amers if you look at the opening post I made, my side has no Waite, Robbo or Jeffy as I assume they are gornski.
No love for Daisy EB1?!
What you say is also a good reason to bring in someone like Higgins IMO, assuming he can run through the midfield a bit !!
If Walker and Yazz could spend more time in the midfield, Sheehan and/or Tuoey replace Yazz as running defenders. Plenty of others can replace Walker defensively.
Amers if you look at the opening post I made, my side has no Waite, Robbo or Jeffy as I assume they are gornski.
Mate I'm not totally sure I understand what you are asking!
Looking at your best 22, firstly I'm not sure if I would have Kreuzer, Wood and Casboult in the same team. I would probably drop Wood for the next best mid and going by your emergencies that would be Graham.
IF we were to trade in Jaksch and Mitchell, then Jaksch would have to be a chance of replacing Watson in that team, and Mitchell would probably get in ahead of everyone on the bench and maybe Carrazzo.
Looking at your best 22, Higgins might find it hard to break in, but I reckon he would be an emergency and would still likely play 12-15 games per year due to injuries unless he had 1 of his own!
Why recruit someone over 25 if they are going to be a fringe player?
Why recruit someone over 25 if they are going to be a fringe player?
This.
Amers if you look at the opening post I made, my side has no Waite, Robbo or Jeffy as I assume they are gornski.
Mate I'm not totally sure I understand what you are asking!
Looking at your best 22, firstly I'm not sure if I would have Kreuzer, Wood and Casboult in the same team. I would probably drop Wood for the next best mid and going by your emergencies that would be Graham.
IF we were to trade in Jaksch and Mitchell, then Jaksch would have to be a chance of replacing Watson in that team, and Mitchell would probably get in ahead of everyone on the bench and maybe Carrazzo.
Looking at your best 22, Higgins might find it hard to break in, but I reckon he would be an emergency and would still likely play 12-15 games per year due to injuries unless he had 1 of his own!
Wood was probably an error. What I was trying to gauge was peoples thoughts on how far off we are from turning it around. Now this may sound crazy given the year that we have had however I will say to anyway. I reckon with a few tweaks and some clever drafting/trading, I reckon we can turn it around quite quickly. Our spine isn't half bad. We have Jamo who can to very well agains the big feds, Rowe developed into an good solid partner for Jamo, Gibbs was finally played in the guts, Hendo when fit can hold down CHF, Levi at FF marks everything, if he could just learn to kick over the summer FFS. If we could bolster up the midfield, say by including Yazz and 1AW to it, or drafting something in (not forking Higgins either), I reckon we can continue to improve very quickly.
No love for Daisy EB1?!
What you say is also a good reason to bring in someone like Higgins IMO, assuming he can run through the midfield a bit !!
No love in the midfield for him Amers...not at this stage anyway...played his best footy off half back this season and I dont view him as midfield anymore now he lacks a yard of pace and has fitness issues.
He can still be a good player for us and go into the midfield every now and then but I dont think his body will hold up if he has to play 22 games in the middle like Gibbs and Murphy for example will have to....
re: Higgins....like Thomas I wouldnt see Higgins as midfield either....maybe can run through that area every now and then but he is also injury prone and I think his best work would be done as a forward
who runs on the ball as a secondary role.......think he will end up at North as his price might have scared us off...
Wood was probably an error. What I was trying to gauge was peoples thoughts on how far off we are from turning it around. Now this may sound crazy given the year that we have had however I will say to anyway. I reckon with a few tweaks and some clever drafting/trading, I reckon we can turn it around quite quickly. Our spine isn't half bad. We have Jamo who can to very well agains the big feds, Rowe developed into an good solid partner for Jamo, Gibbs was finally played in the guts, Hendo when fit can hold down CHF, Levi at FF marks everything, if he could just learn to kick over the summer FFS. If we could bolster up the midfield, say by including Yazz and 1AW to it, or drafting something in (not forking Higgins either), I reckon we can continue to improve very quickly.
I agree that we may be able to turn things around quickly. Our best 22 I believe can match most if not all teams.
For me, the issue is list depth, and consistency which is a completely separate issue.
A good run with no injuries would reduce our depth issue. Surely we have to become more consistent eventually !!
And hopefully this might be enough to see us do some damage in Sept next year !! :)
No love for Daisy EB1?!
What you say is also a good reason to bring in someone like Higgins IMO, assuming he can run through the midfield a bit !!
No love in the midfield for him Amers...not at this stage anyway...played his best footy off half back this season and I dont view him as midfield anymore now he lacks a yard of pace and has fitness issues.
He can still be a good player for us and go into the midfield every now and then but I dont think his body will hold up if he has to play 22 games in the middle like Gibbs and Murphy for example will have to....
re: Higgins....like Thomas I wouldnt see Higgins as midfield either....maybe can run through that area every now and then but he is also injury prone and I think his best work would be done as a forward
who runs on the ball as a secondary role.......think he will end up at North as his price might have scared us off...
I understand what your saying about Daisy, but I disagree.
I still have hopes that he will get back to pre injury form. Give him a full pre-season and I (like many, I would guess!) am hoping that he will be back up and running, like we know he can.
I would like to see him coming off the wing much of the time with Some stints in the middle. Rest him up forward.
EDIT. I just reread your original post, are you referring to centre square/clearance players?
I'm sorry, I was including wingers as a part of the midfield, but I see you didn't mention Yarran either! Actually If that is how you are seeing it, I'm a bit surprised you had Buckley on your list !! I reckon he would be more likely to play off a wing than out of the square.
After seeing that Higgins would struggle to be in our best 22, I've cooled on him a little bit.
I doubt he would be a high priority, and I certainly don't want to be paying overs for him.
IF we got him cheap (unlikely) I wouldn't be upset!
I think there is a higher probability that we fall further back next year. If Waite goes and we have a few injuries to the wrong players we don't have the depth to be consistently competitive. Next season is time for developing the young players by getting more game time into Menzel (in the midfield), Cripps, Graham, Holman, Giles and whoever we take at pick 6 this year.
I think there is a higher probability that we fall further back next year. If Waite goes and we have a few injuries to the wrong players we don't have the depth to be consistently competitive. Next season is time for developing the young players by getting more game time into Menzel (in the midfield), Cripps, Graham, Holman, Giles and whoever we take at pick 6 this year.
Holman and Giles are a long way off, Cripps has the tools to be a player but not the fitness/endurance at this stage...Graham is probably the only player who I would say has progressed into being a possibility of making a senior AFL player....I think Cripps will make it but may need next season to get a decent fitness base..
Even if Waite stays I dont see him as the future and would have a new forward line plan with some new forwards...
I think there is a higher probability that we fall further back next year. If Waite goes and we have a few injuries to the wrong players we don't have the depth to be consistently competitive. Next season is time for developing the young players by getting more game time into Menzel (in the midfield), Cripps, Graham, Holman, Giles and whoever we take at pick 6 this year.
Holman and Giles are a long way off, Cripps has the tools to be a player but not the fitness/endurance at this stage...Graham is probably the only player who I would say has progressed into being a possibility of making a senior AFL player....I think Cripps will make it but may need next season to get a decent fitness base..
Even if Waite stays I dont see him as the future and would have a new forward line plan with some new forwards...
Agreed, they're probably not ready yet but they will develop better by getting 10 games each in the seniors next year - not necessarily all together at the same time though. They need seniors exposure at some point, may as well let them learn some hard lessons while we're not really contending for the flag (after yesterday I think it should be clear how far off the pace we are right now). Let them appreciate the work rates of players from Hawthorn, Sydney, Port and Freo by having to chase them.
I feel like have no idea what to expect next year. This time last year I felt we were going to be poor-average team at best for 2014 and that's where we were. This year with the finish the boys had (minus the port no-show) showed signs we had somewhat turned the corner.
I just want to see top four commitment and application next year, that's something every single player is capable of. I still don't believe that every team bar Hawthorn and Sydney have that much better of a team than us. It is more of an effort and attitude thing that we lag badly behind in.
If we can just start well, get some confidence up and then you never know.
I feel like have no idea what to expect next year. This time last year I felt we were going to be poor-average team at best for 2014 and that's where we were. This year with the finish the boys had (minus the port no-show) showed signs we had somewhat turned the corner.
I just want to see top four commitment and application next year, that's something every single player is capable of. I still don't believe that every team bar Hawthorn and Sydney have that much better of a team than us. It is more of an effort and attitude thing that we lag badly behind in.
If we can just start well, get some confidence up and then you never know.
We need to be able to bring our best for 120mins for 22 weeks (minimum), its that simple.
I feel like have no idea what to expect next year. This time last year I felt we were going to be poor-average team at best for 2014 and that's where we were. This year with the finish the boys had (minus the port no-show) showed signs we had somewhat turned the corner.
I just want to see top four commitment and application next year, that's something every single player is capable of. I still don't believe that every team bar Hawthorn and Sydney have that much better of a team than us. It is more of an effort and attitude thing that we lag badly behind in.
If we can just start well, get some confidence up and then you never know.
We need to be able to bring our best for 120mins for 22 weeks (minimum), its that simple.
Pretty much, spot on. If we can play with Hawthorns attitude, application, intent and effort, the skills would be less of an issue for us. I don't have a great feeling about 2015 yet. It will all depend on how we trade and draft IMO. It appears it isn't easy to change attitudes, and a better idea to bring the right stock into the squad. It may lift the others to work harder.
FB: Buckley Jamison Rowe
HB: Yarran Jaksch Docherty
C: Simpson Judd Thomas
HF: Jones Henderson Cripps
FF: Menzel Casboult Murphy
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Whiley
I/C: Wood Walker Everrit Carrazzo
Emg: Warnock White Graham Armfield
FB: Buckley Jamison Rowe
HB: Yarran Jaksch Docherty
C: Simpson Judd Thomas
HF: Jones Henderson Cripps
FF: Menzel Casboult Murphy
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Whiley
I/C: Wood Walker Everrit Carrazzo
Emg: Warnock White Graham Armfield
Wood out for me...only need 1/2 ruckman ie Casboult =1/2, Graham will play IMO as Rodgers indicate re Brock situation that they want
to play Graham and Cripps in the seniors.
You know your list has potential when Walker and Everitt start on the bench. ;D
not sure we can pick our best 22 this far out.
team has certainly been De-stablised
Best 22 looks solid but we are light on for depth and pace. Its a long season; Mick's right we need 30 senior capable blokes.
Best 22 looks solid but we are light on for depth and pace. Its a long season; Mick's right we need 30 senior capable blokes.
Of course Mick is right. We have the best man in the business! Im glad we got him and didnt persist with Ratten!
FB: Buckley Jamison Rowe
HB: Yarran Jaksch Docherty
C: Simpson Judd Thomas
HF: Jones Henderson Cripps
FF: Menzel Casboult Murphy
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Whiley
I/C: Wood Walker Everrit Carrazzo
Emg: Warnock White Graham Armfield
Jones , Henderson and Cripps is a slow half forward line...defenders will be running off those players with ease.......reckon Walker would need to start at HF ahead of Cripps.
FB: Buckley Rowe Jaksch
HB: Yarran Jamison Simpson
C: Docherty Judd Murphy
HF: Walker Henderson Thomas
FF: Menzel Jones Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Whiley
I/C: Cripps Graham Everrit Carrazzo
Emg: Wood White Tuohy Curnow
FB: Buckley Jamison Rowe
HB: Yarran Jaksch Docherty
C: Simpson Judd Thomas
HF: Jones Henderson Cripps
FF: Menzel Casboult Murphy
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Whiley
I/C: Wood Walker Everrit Carrazzo
Emg: Warnock White Graham Armfield
Jaksch will be used as a 3rd tall until his body fully develops, he won't be holding down centre half back(or forward) from day 1.
I think Simpsons days on a wing are over, I reckon it's half back for Simmo from now on.
Swap Simmo with Yarran.
For the moment at least, Cripps plays in the guts or on the bench, he may need to learn to play forward as his career progresses.
Walker, Jones & Menzel would be my HF line.
You're putting a lot of faith in Whiley up front, for me he is competing with Cripps, Bell and Graham for his spot, with no clear winner.
At full strength, I cant fit all of Touhy, Carrots, Everitt, Curnow, Bell, Graham, Whiley and Cripps in the best 22.
Not to mention Shehan, Armfield, Holman and pick 19.
We are slowly building some depth !!
Then the mighty Mick is just as likely to come out and go bang...
FB. Walker, Rowe, Buckley
HB. Docherty, Jamo, Everitt
C. Simmo, Bell, Yarran
HF. Johnson, Henderson, Gibbs
FF. Menzel, Casboult, Thomas
Foll. Kreuzer, Judd, Murphy
INT. Cripps, Jaksch, Watson, Curnow
EMG. Sheehan, Wood, Tuohy, Whiley
One defensive half back who doesn't lose his spot very often and keeps it all together and that's not a bad back 6.
B: Sheehan, Rowe, Jamison
Hb: Tuohy, Jaksch, Simpson
C: Yarran, Gibbs, Everitt
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Thomas
F: Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Foll: Wood, Murphy
Rov: Carrazzo
I/c: Buckley, Curnow, Docherty, Judd
Emerg: Cripps, Graham, Whiley
*Decent pre-seasons and games from the 3 emergencies would hopefully push them ahead of some others.
No love for Kreuzer Pratty?
No love for Kreuzer Pratty?
After the shmozzle of his end to the season... Let him ramp up into next season.
B: Sheehan, Rowe, Jamison
Hb: Tuohy, Jaksch, Simpson
C: Yarran, Gibbs, Everitt
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Thomas
F: Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Foll: Wood, Murphy
Rov: Carrazzo
I/c: Buckley, Curnow, Docherty, Judd
Emerg: Cripps, Graham, Whiley
*Decent pre-seasons and games from the 3 emergencies would hopefully push them ahead of some others.
Agree with that lineup Pratty for the most part.
- If Kreuzer is fit and firing he should be our no.1 as Casboult has to be in the side for his contested marking is invaluable.
- Carrazzo will struggle to get in the team next year for mine love him though and we need more players with his passion for the club.
- Hope to god we play Walker forward as well and that lineup is pretty good if you ask me, just becomes between the ears issue.
FB: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Rowe Simpson
C: Yarran Judd Whiley
HF: Menzel Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Jones Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
I/C: Cripps Sheehan Everrit Carrazzo
B: Sheehan, Rowe, Jamison
Hb: Tuohy, Jaksch, Simpson
C: Yarran, Gibbs, Everitt
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Thomas
F: Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Foll: Wood, Murphy
Rov: Carrazzo
I/c: Buckley, Curnow, Docherty, Judd
Emerg: Cripps, Graham, Whiley
*Decent pre-seasons and games from the 3 emergencies would hopefully push them ahead of some others.
Agree with that lineup Pratty for the most part.
- If Kreuzer is fit and firing he should be our no.1 as Casboult has to be in the side for his contested marking is invaluable.
- Carrazzo will struggle to get in the team next year for mine love him though and we need more players with his passion for the club.
- Hope to god we play Walker forward as well and that lineup is pretty good if you ask me, just becomes between the ears issue.
Hope Whiley or Cripps does enough to force out Carrazzo or Curnow. I don't rate Graham. Not quick enough or committed to any defensive work. Also disposal is variable.
B: Sheehan, Rowe, Jamison
Hb: Tuohy, Jaksch, Simpson
C: Yarran, Gibbs, Everitt
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Thomas
F: Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Foll: Wood, Murphy
Rov: Carrazzo
I/c: Buckley, Curnow, Docherty, Judd
Emerg: Cripps, Graham, Whiley
*Decent pre-seasons and games from the 3 emergencies would hopefully push them ahead of some others.
Agree with that lineup Pratty for the most part.
- If Kreuzer is fit and firing he should be our no.1 as Casboult has to be in the side for his contested marking is invaluable.
- Carrazzo will struggle to get in the team next year for mine love him though and we need more players with his passion for the club.
- Hope to god we play Walker forward as well and that lineup is pretty good if you ask me, just becomes between the ears issue.
Hope Whiley or Cripps does enough to force out Carrazzo or Curnow. I don't rate Graham. Not quick enough or committed to any defensive work. Also disposal is variable.
But is Whiley a pure mid or is he more of a flanker type? Never seen anything of him to be honest. I don't know about Graham there is something about him I like. I just think he needs to be quicker with his brain to make up for the other stuff, look at some Sammy Mitchell tapes if I was him.
Then you have Cripps who if he can have an impact next year, Menzel goes up another level or is more consistent, Hendo to have solid year, Kreuzer fit....you just need a few things to go your way and all of a sudden. Ahh nothing like offseason optimism though.
FB: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Rowe Simpson
C: Yarran Judd Whiley
HF: Menzel Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Jones Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
I/C: Cripps Sheehan Everrit Carrazzo
Like it, good job.
FB: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Rowe Simpson
C: Yarran Judd Whiley
HF: Menzel Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Jones Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
I/C: Cripps Sheehan Everrit Carrazzo
Like it, good job.
Curnow is too well respected not to be included. Sheehan moved ahead of Touhy?
FB: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Rowe Simpson
C: Yarran Judd Whiley
HF: Menzel Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Jones Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
I/C: Cripps Sheehan Everrit Carrazzo
Like it, good job.
Curnow is too well respected not to be included. Sheehan moved ahead of Touhy?
Agree he is well respected however it isn't for his elite disposal or footy brain I don't think. He is a fitness machine that can run all day and has a big heart. But less face it, we won't trouble the 8 with blokes like Curnow, Bell, Armfield etc in the side. Who of the mids goes out of that side to let Curnow in? Maybe Sheehan even though he isn't a mid however I really liked what I saw of him this year. I reckon he has drawn level (if not shaded ) 2E who had far too many kicked on him this year for my liking. In any case, I think when we do have a full compliment to pick from next year, coupled with good form, will make for some interesting selection meetings. Competition for ALL spots is good and exactly what we need.
Curnow and Touhy would play Rnd 1 IMO..dont think Buckley, Cripps or Sheehan are walk up starts either...
Jaksch , Jones and Whiley will all play...Whiley will be in for Robbo to give us the grunt and tackling presence we will miss.
Bell and Carrazzo will fight for a position IMO....
FB: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
HB: Docherty Rowe Simpson
C: Yarran Judd Whiley
HF: Menzel Henderson Thomas
FF: Walker Jones Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
I/C: Cripps Sheehan Everrit Carrazzo
Like it, good job.
Curnow is too well respected not to be included. Sheehan moved ahead of Touhy?
On later season form you'd have Sheehan ahead of Tuohy, but form changes year to year though so you never know. Happy to go either way there. Curnow depends on the development of Cripps in the pre-season and how well new players like Whiley go. Curnow could play before Cripps but again you have to see the progression in the pre-season.
Can't pick them all and have development of some, new players. Draft picks might burn up the pre-season and turn teams upside down further. We always have depth between October and March. Manages to vanish by April....lol!
Curnow and Touhy would play Rnd 1 IMO..dont think Buckley, Cripps or Sheehan are walk up starts either...
Jaksch , Jones and Whiley will all play...Whiley will be in for Robbo to give us the grunt and tackling presence we will miss.
Bell and Carrazzo will fight for a position IMO....
Reckon Buckley will be straight in. Other's up in the air either way but a very good chance Curnow and Touhy will play.
It's certainly a nice discussion to have though.
We always have depth between October and March. Manages to vanish by April....lol!
Nice observation.
You would hope that this coming season is a new beast in which we dispel those past idiosyncrasies.
Let's see shall we.
No love for Kreuzer Pratty?
I do like the boy Amers, just reckon he needs time and games to get back into it. How good would it be if he was cherry ripe to go round 1 in the big stuff next year after a big preseason of training and games!!!!
No love for Kreuzer Pratty?
I do like the boy Amers, just reckon he needs time and games to get back into it. How good would it be if he was cherry ripe to go round 1 in the big stuff next year after a big preseason of training and games!!!!
This is what I am hoping will happen, if you think it will take longer then fair enough !!
I so hope the big fella is up and about come Round 1.
It's like waiting for McGrath to return after bone spur removal in his ankle... the wait is agonising!!!!
I so hope the big fella is up and about come Round 1.
It's like waiting for McGrath to return after bone spur removal in his ankle... the wait is agonising!!!!
I know he will be right to go in round 1, Im just hoping he is right to go and stays right to go for most of the season.
At this point, in context, one swallow does not a summer make in Matthew Kreuzers case.
back 6......
simpson jamison jaksch
walker rowe touhy
this combo gives us size, run, experience and the flexibility to match up most fwd lines.
midfield.........
yarran gibbs thomas
kruz everitt murphy
in form and at the top of their game a very nice mix of class and grit.
fwd 6......
judd henderson menzel
jones casboult buckley
3 marking talls to cause havoc and straighten us up with some class and speed at the drop of the ball
bench.......
carrazzo curnow dockerty cripps
the bench is the other midfield - these guys cover a lot of bases and they can all play a role
depth players likely to play at some time.........
bell whiley mclean warnock white wood sheehan megahead armfield graham [tutt]
not ready...........
giles holman bryne pk19 pk28 etc etc
gawn.......
robbo ellard lucas
back 6......
simpson jamison jaksch
walker rowe touhy
this combo gives us size, run, experience and the flexibility to match up most fwd lines.
midfield.........
yarran gibbs thomas
kruz everitt murphy
in form and at the top of their game a very nice mix of class and grit.
fwd 6......
judd henderson menzel
jones casboult buckley
3 marking talls to cause havoc and straighten us up with some class and speed at the drop of the ball
bench.......
carrazzo curnow dockerty cripps
the bench is the other midfield - these guys cover a lot of bases and they can all play a role
depth players likely to play at some time.........
bell whiley mclean warnock white wood sheehan megahead armfield graham [tutt]
not ready...........
giles holman bryne pk19 pk28 etc etc
gawn.......
robbo ellard lucas
Ummm, Brock has been delisted, Ellard stays.
midfield.........
yarran gibbs thomas
kruz everitt murphy
in form and at the top of their game a very nice mix of class and grit.
Which of this group gives us grit ?
I'm thinking MK is 1 ......then Daisy ??????? I'm struggling with the grit part. :o
grit in those 6 names... gimme a break.
Zero fear factor the opposition there... absolutely zero.
I look forward to seeing how we line up for Round #1. We haven't introduced many players for years, and when we did Robbo and Garlett and the rest killed the Tigers.
I miss that.
Well we will need a couple of others to stand and and I am sure that they will. The good news is that we open the season at the G on Easter Thursday against the Tiggies. Supposedly the rest of the draw will be released next week.
grit in those 6 names... gimme a break.
Zero fear factor the opposition there... absolutely zero.
no grit in murphy, and kruz is a pansy, everitt shows nothing and gibbs is a woos.
yep you're right professor....absolutely zero there!!
what an incredibly naive and dumb statement - I retract it and I apologize.
I am not saying soft, I'm just saying fear factor. They don't scare the opposition in what is a gladatorial sport.
We can't forget the fear factor in football... Check out what the whorks did to Sydney.
I am not saying soft, I'm just saying fear factor. They don't scare the opposition in what is a gladatorial sport.
We can't forget the fear factor in football... Check out what the whorks did to Sydney.
With all due respect, my personal view on this whole "fear", "toughness", "hard" thing is a crock of crape. To be selected to play AFL at the highest level on a consistent basis, you need to be be courageous by default I reckon. ALL players go where angels fear to tread week in week out. Some shirk a few contests or duck their heads, most of us would pass out before it happened. Football talent aside, thats what sets them apart from those in the lower levels of football and mere mortals like us who type on keyboards. I don't see fear in the eyes of any AFL player who crosses that line, no matter their size, shape or team they play for. What I do see is more desperation and more drive to succeed and achieve by some players over others. Take Hodge for example. People go on about him like he is the toughest, most fearsome man to ever don football boots. I don't think other players fear him nor are they intimidated by him. But what he does do is lead his side extremely well by demanding a hard at it and honest contest by all his players for 120 mins 25 odd times per year. His pursuit of success and the holy grail is unrelenting. Bend or break the team rules are their are drastic consequences and he has instilled this attitude in all his team mate. Control C control V the above for Selwood. They just never give an inch or give up. Do I think Gibbs or Murph are scared of blokes like Hodge or Selwood? No. I think they want to be like them, and emulate them. Problem is you can become it, you are born that way.
Buckly Jamieson Docherty
Jaksch Rowe Simpson
Everitt Gibbs Yarran
Menzel Henderson Thomas
Walker Jones Cas
Kruezer Murphy Curnow
Judd Bell Cripps Carazzo
Emerg Tutt Dick Whiley Tuohy
White Graham Armfield Watson
Buckly Jamieson Docherty
Jaksch Rowe Simpson
Everitt Gibbs Yarran
Menzel Henderson Thomas
Walker Jones Cas
Kruezer Murphy Curnow
Judd Bell Cripps Carazzo
Emerg Tutt Dick Whiley Tuohy
White Graham Armfield Watson
I'd have Touhy ahead of Carrots, unless Carrots can return to his 2011 form. But that team looks pretty solid. I might even swap Sheean into the mix also.
I think Carrotts is cooked...what has he done over the last 18 months?
I think Carrotts is cooked...what has he done over the last 18 months?
I thought he was looking OK by the end of 2014 - in fact better than I expected.
If Carrazzo gets some continuity in his game he will be great for us, if he keeps getting injured he struggles to find his touch.
If Carrazzo gets some continuity in his game he will be great for us, if he keeps getting injured he struggles to find his touch.
A fit carrazzo changes all our prospects imo
It's interesting how some folk are keen to include in our best 22 blokes who couldn't crack it for a game in other sides.
If they're good enough, the additions to our list will force themselves in to the 22 but I suspect that most will be depth players at best and list cloggers at worst.
On the basis that the new blokes have to earn their place rather than being rewarded for wanting to join us, my team for Round 1 is:
B: Yarran Jamieson White
HB: Everitt Rowe Simpson
C: Thomas Gibbs Cripps
HF: Menzel Henderson Walker
F: Judd Casboult Watson
Foll: Kreuzer Murphy Curnow
Int: Bell, Tuohy, Jones, Graham
Emerg: Jaksch, Docherty, Buckley
I have taken a chance with Jones because of his form in the VFL and his pre-season endeavour.
I reckon Carrazzo will line up for Round 1, and the team will perform better if he does play. That would push Graham or Cripps out of the 22 but, if they're good enough, they'll force their way into the side.
Reckon Jaksch is a lock in to play rnd 1...you dont give away pick 7 and have your main recruit running around in he NB's.
Jones too I would expect to play......
Agree on Carrazzo..if fit I would expect him the the team....
Reckon Jaksch is a lock in to play rnd 1...you dont give away pick 7 and have your main recruit running around in he NB's.
Jones too I would expect to play......
Agree on Carrazzo..if fit I would expect him the the team....
I suspect you're right EB, but I hope Jaksch and Jones earn the right to run out in navy blue.
If they are in our best 22 on merit, things could be looking up.
Reckon Jaksch is a lock in to play rnd 1...you dont give away pick 7 and have your main recruit running around in he NB's.
Jones too I would expect to play......
Agree on Carrazzo..if fit I would expect him the the team....
Not so sure about that EB.
Jaksch was recruited with the long term view in mind, not a quick fix.
I reckon they'll have to earn their places in the team this season. We will be out there to win from the first bounce.
Mick and the assistants are all playing for their positions too.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
Jaksch and pick 19 wasn't worth pick 7, I wouldn't call Whiley a freebie, he evened the deal up.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
White is a stop gap and wont cut it vs the better teams with the bigger more talented forwards.......Jaskch is a CHB IMO and thats where he will play most of his footy IMO.....
We also had to get Jaksch because Watson has proven to be a banana down back and Giles probably wont play for a while if ever and that leaves us with SFA in terms of KP defenders.
Agree on Jaksch being similar to Henderson in terms of development at this stage but I dont remember Lachie playing too many games in the twos.....
Jaksch picked us because he wanted more opportunities and I dont reckon he was talking playing in the Northern Blues and would have had promises made by Mick that he would get senior game time IMO...like Henderson I think he will get his training in the seniors.
Reckon Henderson will play forward along with Jones as the KP Forwards......
I would also think that Jaksch will play in our defence R1, enabling Hendo to play mainly forward. That's why we got him and I think MM will start as he means to go on in the longer term. White will have to fight harder for his spot next year but I think MM likes him so I'm definitely not writing him off yet.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
White is a stop gap and wont cut it vs the better teams with the bigger more talented forwards.......Jaskch is a CHB IMO and thats where he will play most of his footy IMO.....
We also had to get Jaksch because Watson has proven to be a banana down back and Giles probably wont play for a while if ever and that leaves us with SFA in terms of KP defenders.
Agree on Jaksch being similar to Henderson in terms of development at this stage but I dont remember Lachie playing too many games in the twos.....
Jaksch picked us because he wanted more opportunities and I dont reckon he was talking playing in the Northern Blues and would have had promises made by Mick that he would get senior game time IMO...like Henderson I think he will get his training in the seniors.
Reckon Henderson will play forward along with Jones as the KP Forwards......
All these posts prove to me is that we need another key position player and should take a look at Mckenzie, as we are still one short by my reckoning. Particularly if someone gets injured.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
White is a stop gap and wont cut it vs the better teams with the bigger more talented forwards.......Jaskch is a CHB IMO and thats where he will play most of his footy IMO.....
We also had to get Jaksch because Watson has proven to be a banana down back and Giles probably wont play for a while if ever and that leaves us with SFA in terms of KP defenders.
Agree on Jaksch being similar to Henderson in terms of development at this stage but I dont remember Lachie playing too many games in the twos.....
Jaksch picked us because he wanted more opportunities and I dont reckon he was talking playing in the Northern Blues and would have had promises made by Mick that he would get senior game time IMO...like Henderson I think he will get his training in the seniors.
Reckon Henderson will play forward along with Jones as the KP Forwards......
All these posts prove to me is that we need another key position player and should take a look at Mckenzie, as we are still one short by my reckoning. Particularly if someone gets injured.
Caleb Marchbank seems to be in the mix for our first pick who is a 193cm defender who should develop into a FB/CHB...
IMO Jaksch will push White out of the side early and then eventually replace Jamison as a KPD.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
White is a stop gap and wont cut it vs the better teams with the bigger more talented forwards.......Jaskch is a CHB IMO and thats where he will play most of his footy IMO.....
We also had to get Jaksch because Watson has proven to be a banana down back and Giles probably wont play for a while if ever and that leaves us with SFA in terms of KP defenders.
Agree on Jaksch being similar to Henderson in terms of development at this stage but I dont remember Lachie playing too many games in the twos.....
Jaksch picked us because he wanted more opportunities and I dont reckon he was talking playing in the Northern Blues and would have had promises made by Mick that he would get senior game time IMO...like Henderson I think he will get his training in the seniors.
Reckon Henderson will play forward along with Jones as the KP Forwards......
Kruddler refer to this post for my reply.
And White is a fking dud, just poor list management from Ratts to keep him in the first place but at least he was just depth. Now he's a regular. And people rave about our current list management.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
White is a stop gap and wont cut it vs the better teams with the bigger more talented forwards.......Jaskch is a CHB IMO and thats where he will play most of his footy IMO.....
We also had to get Jaksch because Watson has proven to be a banana down back and Giles probably wont play for a while if ever and that leaves us with SFA in terms of KP defenders.
Agree on Jaksch being similar to Henderson in terms of development at this stage but I dont remember Lachie playing too many games in the twos.....
Jaksch picked us because he wanted more opportunities and I dont reckon he was talking playing in the Northern Blues and would have had promises made by Mick that he would get senior game time IMO...like Henderson I think he will get his training in the seniors.
Reckon Henderson will play forward along with Jones as the KP Forwards......
All these posts prove to me is that we need another key position player and should take a look at Mckenzie, as we are still one short by my reckoning. Particularly if someone gets injured.
Caleb Marchbank seems to be in the mix for our first pick who is a 193cm defender who should develop into a FB/CHB...
Personally, I like Henderson more as a defender than I do as a forward and I am not convinced about any of our forwards, so I would be recruiting with the eye on a forward rather than a defender.
Either way, I dont mind. Be it Goddard, Mccartin, Mckenzie, or anyone else, I'll be happy, I just want one.
Keeping pick #7 would have been the long term thing to do IMO, we did this because we need Jaksch to start playing now.
Really? Thats as good as you can do? Why do we need him to play now? We just had a breakout year from Rowe who was beaten by Hawkins and not much else all year. Jamison had a serviceable year as well. Best CHB/FB combo we've had for a while, so much so that it allowed Hendo to play up forward.
As a third defender option we had White who played out of his skin and performs his role every week.
Personally, i see Jaksch as a long term replacement for Jamison and would be surprised if he played round 1.
We got Jaksch because he is a talented up and coming former first round KPP with a couple of years development under his belt ala Lachie Henderson.
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
But your opinion is your own. Feel free to 'maintain the rage' ::)
White is a stop gap and wont cut it vs the better teams with the bigger more talented forwards.......Jaskch is a CHB IMO and thats where he will play most of his footy IMO.....
We also had to get Jaksch because Watson has proven to be a banana down back and Giles probably wont play for a while if ever and that leaves us with SFA in terms of KP defenders.
Agree on Jaksch being similar to Henderson in terms of development at this stage but I dont remember Lachie playing too many games in the twos.....
Jaksch picked us because he wanted more opportunities and I dont reckon he was talking playing in the Northern Blues and would have had promises made by Mick that he would get senior game time IMO...like Henderson I think he will get his training in the seniors.
Reckon Henderson will play forward along with Jones as the KP Forwards......
All these posts prove to me is that we need another key position player and should take a look at Mckenzie, as we are still one short by my reckoning. Particularly if someone gets injured.
Caleb Marchbank seems to be in the mix for our first pick who is a 193cm defender who should develop into a FB/CHB...
Personally, I like Henderson more as a defender than I do as a forward and I am not convinced about any of our forwards, so I would be recruiting with the eye on a forward rather than a defender.
Either way, I dont mind. Be it Goddard, Mccartin, Mckenzie, or anyone else, I'll be happy, I just want one.
Fair points on Henderson as a forward and I prefer him at CHB but I think Mick will use him forward initially....
McKenzie and Goddard..not sold on either....
All these posts prove to me is that we need another key position player and should take a look at Mckenzie, as we are still one short by my reckoning. Particularly if someone gets injured.
Totally agree Thry, we are still 1 KPP short. Personally I hope we do go tall with 1 of our 1st 2 picks.
Keitel @ pick 28 is my preference, unless a Goddard slips, but who knows....
Jaksch didn't cost us Fev. It cost us a drop of 10 live picks in the draft, plus we got an inside mid thrown in for free.
Jaksch and pick 19 wasn't worth pick 7, I wouldn't call Whiley a freebie, he evened the deal up.
Thats your opinion. Mine says its a bargain.
I was one of the few who was happy with the fev trade. Majority believed we were being royally screwed over in that too.
You would have swapped pick 7 for Jaksch and pick 19? :o :o :o
Glad that wasn't the club's opinion....
Well, our list is finalized for season 2015, what does our best 22 look like now?
Who will play round 1?
(I'll post my own thoughts later, I'm surprised this thread hasn't been started already, I had a look and didn't see one.)
Simpson Jamison Buckley
Jakcsh. Rowe. Yarran
Everitt Gibbs. Thomas
Casboult Henderson. Walker
Menzel. Jones Carrazzo
Kreuzer. Judd Murphy
Docherty Curnow White Bell
Will need to see how the preseason treats Carrazzo
Simpson Jamison Buckley
Jakcsh. Rowe. Yarran
Everitt Gibbs. Thomas
Casboult Henderson. Walker
Menzel. Jones Carrazzo
Kreuzer. Judd Murphy
Docherty Curnow White Bell
Will need to see how the preseason treats Carrazzo
I don't reckon it will be Jakcsh IOT.
I'll be very disappointed if the side does not include a first year player but I reckon it won't be a KPP type like Jakcsh.
I reckon Sheehan and BB will play. MM want's run, run, run.
Carrots and Bell to miss.
Mick's MO has been to give a taste, just to one or two, then put them back after a few games unless they really take to seniors.
I think he'll do the same here. Jakcsh for me as they need to make the trading of pick 7 look on track - Whiley will most likely get a game before Bell too.
Boekhorst is a lock in IMO...they will need to justify picking him and he will get plenty of opportunities IMO...
re: Jaksch.....reckon they might play safe and give him a holiday at the start of the season for a few weeks.
Think Cripps might play too...
Much will depend on the preseason games and how players perform. I hope we see a couple of the newbies in R1 at least and I would nominate Jaksch and BB but again , injuries could be the big factor with Jaksch.
I'd love to see James also but I don't think he'll play R1.
Much will depend on the preseason games and how players perform. I hope we see a couple of the newbies in R1 at least and I would nominate Jaksch and BB but again , injuries could be the big factor with Jaksch.
I'd love to see James also but I don't think he'll play R1.
James ?
Much will depend on the preseason games and how players perform. I hope we see a couple of the newbies in R1 at least and I would nominate Jaksch and BB but again , injuries could be the big factor with Jaksch.
I'd love to see James also but I don't think he'll play R1.
James ?
Ooops, apologies GTC, I meant to say Clem Smith! (I used to know a Clem James, must be deeply embedded in the brain). :-[
If Jaksch isn't ready, Henderson might go back and Watson forward.
Carlton vs. Richmond:
FB: Jaksch Rowe Tuohy
HB: Buckley Jamison Simpson
C: Docherty Cripps Yarran
HF: Thomas Jones Menzel
FF: Walker Henderson Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer, Murphy, Gibbs
Int: Judd, Carrazzo, Everitt, Smith
Nothern Blues:
FB: Sheehan Giles Armfield
HB: Gowers Fields Russell
C: Boekhorst Graham Viojo-Rainbow
HF: Johnson Foster Byrne
FF: Tutt Watson Wood
Foll: Warnock, Bell, Whiley
Int: Holman, Curnow, Ellard, Walsh, White
Don't think Juddy would be particularly impressed being named on the bench there MilkIt :))
I would be shocked if Cripps is in for round 1. Would be great if he was.
Pre-season training and games could change all sorts of things, but as of right now, my best 22 looks like this.
FB - D. Buckley, M. Jamison, K. Jaksch
HB - K. Simpson, S. Rowe, S. Docherty
C - C. Yarran, A. Carrazzo, D. Thomas
R - M. Kreuzer, B. Gibbs, M. Murphy
HF - A. Walker, L. Jones, T. Menzel
FF - L. Casboult, L. Henderson, C. Judd
Int - A. Everitt, P. Cripps, N Graham
Sub - B. Boekhorst
Northern Blues
FB - M. Dick, C. Giles, N. Holman
HB - Z. Touhey, S White, C. Sheehan
C - D. Armfield, E. Curnow, D Viojo-Rainbow
R - R Warnock, T. Bell, M. Whiley
HF - D. Ellard, J. Foster, B. Johnson
FF - C Wood, M. Watson, J. Tutt
Int - B. Gowers, B. Walsh, T. Fields
Sub - C. Smith
Emg - C. Byrne or F. Russell
The way I see it;
Jaksch needs to be a better option than Simon White
A fit Carrazzo plays, it's up to 1 of the youngsters to win the spot off him
Jones needs to be able to hold down a KPF spot, it's his til he loses it IMO
Everitt is the ultimate swingman, he can play nearly anywhere
Cripps needs to become the next best center square player after, Judd, Carrots, Gibbs and Murph
Boeky gets the vest ahead of DVR, for now
The last spot was a real toss up, I gave it to Graham, but there are 4-5 who were unlucky to miss
A look at the NB team shows me that we are still a KPD short, other than that, I reckon we look pretty good !!
Go Blues !!
If Jaksch isn't ready, Henderson might go back and Watson forward.
Carlton vs. Richmond:
FB: Jaksch Rowe Tuohy
HB: Buckley Jamison Simpson
C: Docherty Cripps Yarran
HF: Thomas Jones Menzel
FF: Walker Henderson Casboult
Foll: Kreuzer, Murphy, Gibbs
Int: Judd, Carrazzo, Everitt, Smith
Nothern Blues:
FB: Sheehan Giles Armfield
HB: Gowers Fields Russell
C: Boekhorst Graham Viojo-Rainbow
HF: Johnson Foster Byrne
FF: Tutt Watson Wood
Foll: Warnock, Bell, Whiley
Int: Holman, Curnow, Ellard, Walsh, White
My spine would be
Jamison
Henderson
Gibbs
Casboult
Jones
My starting on ball brigade would be
Kruezer
Murphy
Judd
Others that must be in there somewhere
Yarran Menzell
Fill in the rest with as many newbies as many newbies as practicable and we will win more than we lose.
I can't see how blokes who were struggling to get a game with teams that finished below us on the ladder can be walk up starts. Same with blokes who were playing state league or under 18. Of course, they could blitz the pre-season or may get a game to fit an agenda.
My team for round 1 is:
FB - Yarran, Jamison, Buckley
HB - Tuohy, Rowe, Everitt
C - Simpson, Gibbs, Thomas
HF - Walker, Henderson, Menzel
FF – Cripps, Casboult, Judd
Fol - Kreuzer, Murphy, Curnow
Int - Watson, White, Docherty, Graham
B: Buckley Jamison Jaksch
H/B: Simpson Rowe Touhy
C: Everitt Murphy Yarran
H/F: Thomas Casboult Tutt
F: Jones Henderson Menzel
R: Kreuzer Judd Gibbs
Int: Walker Carrazzo Docherty Curnow.
Don't think Juddy would be particularly impressed being named on the bench there MilkIt :))
Nah, haven't you heard? He's cooked and got nothing left in the tank. :))
He only needs to come on in Q3 for the obligatory game winning 10 mins anyway. ;)
FB -K Simpson, M. Jamison, C.Sheehan
HB -Z.Touhy, S. Rowe, C. Yarran
C - A Everitt, Judd, B Boekhorst
R - M. Kreuzer, B. Gibbs, M. Murphy
HF - A. Walker, L. Henderson,, D. Thomas
FF - L. Casboult, L. Jones, T. Menzel
Int - S White, Curnow, Carrazzo
Sub - Buckley or Cripps
I have Jaksch out injured with White in and like I said before I think Boekhorst will play and start on the wing.
Sheehan is a favourite of Mick and will be in the team for rnd 1 IMO.
I would expect Richmond to start three talls down forward to make us swing Henderson down back....
I also have the feeling ex Northern Blue in Kane Lambert might do a Barlow and be a star in the NAB cup and get promoted and play rnd1 for the Tigers......I wouldnt have minded picking him up the more I think about it ...
Cripps will play Rd 1.
No love for Judd EB? Im guessing that's a mistake and not intentional?!
Interesting that you have both Irishman ahead of Docherty. If that's how it goes it's great news for the Irish, not so great for Docherty and the recruiting department !!
Curnow is a walk up start for Round 1. He is set specific tasks and rarely lets them down. They love the way he goes about his work.
Curnow is a walk up start for Round 1. He is set specific tasks and rarely lets them down. They love the way he goes about his work.
Yep, Curnow will be one of the first picked for round 1, and go straight to Cochin. He's done the job before.
Curnow is a walk up start for Round 1. He is set specific tasks and rarely lets them down. They love the way he goes about his work.
So do I. Underrated.
Backs...
FB Tuohy Jamison White
HB Yarran Rowe Docherty
Something similar to what we saw last year. White still holds his spot because Jakchs isn't ready to go. Currently injured and will take some time to get up to speed. Will probably replace white by seasons end. Tuohy holds his spot as i reckon he was carrying an injury most of last year, will be back to his harrassing best in 2015. Yarran to start off HB, Walker HF, and play it by ear as to how they are both going.
Up forward....
HF Walker Henderson Thomas
FF Menzel Casboult Judd
Henderson and Casboult are the go to men. Walker playing there allows him to be the 3rd tall type should we lose a big man, yet still maintain the run we desire. Too early for Jones to force his way into the lineup...but it will happen. Menzel and Thomas to spend most of their time forward with the odd stint on the ball. Ditto Judd, but with the idea of limiting his midfield minutes so that we can potentially prolong his career 1 more year.
Midfield....
C Everitt Murphy Simpson
R Kreuzer Gibbs Curnow
I Buckley Carrazzo Cripps Bell
The toughest part of the ground to get right. Going with only 1 ruckman, Casboult backup.
Murphy/Gibbs are locks.
Curnow gets the starting tagging role, Everitt there as option b.
Carrazzo/Simpson must be picked early, although i suspect they may not demand selection all year as the kids start coming through and age catches up with them.
We've put a lot of faith in Cripps and i expect him to get some game time early on at the expense of someone like Graham and Wiley.
Buckley deserves selection and will fill Tuohys shoes down back should he not recapture his form.
Last spot was handed to Bell in this case, but will change depending on what we want. Could've gone to Armfield if we wanted the same hardness but more run and carry. It could've gone to Boekhurst if we wanted more run and class. Could go to another ruckman, could go to another KPP.
Overall, i think that 22 is what will start R1, as they deserve that honour, but i think it will look far different to what starts R22 as we find a few players throughout the year.
Ideally, i'd like Tuohy, Bell, White and Curnow to be replace/upgraded and Boekhurst, Wiley, Jakchs, Jones, Smith and Viojo-Rainbow to be demanding a spot.
Cripps will play Rd 1.
Would want to have come on in leaps and bounds. If he's anywhere near last year's level he'll get eaten up in the midfield.
No love for Judd EB? Im guessing that's a mistake and not intentional?!
Interesting that you have both Irishman ahead of Docherty. If that's how it goes it's great news for the Irish, not so great for Docherty and the recruiting department !!
Yep Amers thats a mistake and I have done an edit, either Cripps or Buckley would have to make way for him and one would play as the sub..
There is a bit of love for the Irish and I think Mick likes them both even though I am not sold on Zac
as he is very loose at times but his run off half back and big kicking are what appeals to the coach IMO...
Way too early for me to be picking round 1 yet.
Need to see how some of last years young blokes have come on and how the new more mature blokes go.
Could be some pleasant surprises in there somewhere. Well hoping anyway.
Cripps will play Rd 1.
Would want to have come on in leaps and bounds. If he's anywhere near last year's level he'll get eaten up in the midfield.
^^ agree 200%
Cripps will play Rd 1.
Would want to have come on in leaps and bounds. If he's anywhere near last year's level he'll get eaten up in the midfield.
^^ agree 200%
Having done a pre-season will make a huge difference.
Cripps will play Rd 1.
Would want to have come on in leaps and bounds. If he's anywhere near last year's level he'll get eaten up in the midfield.
^^ agree 200%
Having done a pre-season will make a huge difference.
As will having experienced footy at AFL level in 2014. Cripps knows what is required and, if he is going to have an impact, it will be next season.
Depending on which website you believe, he grew 3cm this year. Hopefully, he has stopped growing now and his body will be better able to stand up to the demands of AFL.
@kruds I'd have Buckley in the back ahead of 2E. Buckley far more dangerous
The thing with Cripps is he's slow so he needs to hit in hard and really use the ball well. Would be a big step up from last year fingers crossed.
Here's what afl.com.au reckons...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-06/your-clubs-best-22
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Michael Jamison, Dylan Buckley
HB: Chris Yarran, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Dale Thomas, Bryce Gibbs, Ed Curnow
HF: Andrew Carrazzo, Lachie Henderson, Troy Menzel
F: Andrew Walker, Levi Casboult, Liam Jones
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Chris Judd, Marc Murphy
Int: Tom Bell, Andrejs Everitt, Sam Docherty
Sub: Patrick Cripps
New: Liam Jones (Western Bulldogs)
Unavailable: Kristian Jaksch (foot)
Going very small in defence.
Here's what afl.com.au reckons...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-06/your-clubs-best-22
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Michael Jamison, Dylan Buckley
HB: Chris Yarran, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Dale Thomas, Bryce Gibbs, Ed Curnow
HF: Andrew Carrazzo, Lachie Henderson, Troy Menzel
F: Andrew Walker, Levi Casboult, Liam Jones
Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Chris Judd, Marc Murphy
Int: Tom Bell, Andrejs Everitt, Sam Docherty
Sub: Patrick Cripps
New: Liam Jones (Western Bulldogs)
Unavailable: Kristian Jaksch (foot)
Going very small in defence.
And very tall in attack - 3 genuine talls plus Walker and Menzel - only Carrazzo is a genuine small type, and I don't know about him on a forward flank. Swinging Hendo back would balance things somewhat, or if you want that tall a forward line Everitt could go back as a third tall, or as an in between Walker back as a third tall being replaced by a small up forward.
B: Tuohy, Jamison, Sheehan
Hb: Simpson, Rowe, Yarran
C: Thomas, Gibbs, Docherty
Hf: Walker, Henderson, Boekhorst
F: Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Foll: Wood, Judd
Rov: Murphy
I/c: Buckley, Carrazzo, Cripps, Everitt
B: Tuohy - Jamison - Jacksch
HB: Simpson - Rowe - Sheehan
C: Thomas - Gibbs - Yarran
HF: Walker - Henderson - Curnow
F: Menzel - Jones - Casboult
R: Kreuzer - Murphy - Judd
I/C: Everitt - Carrazzo - Cripps - (Boekhorst)
- Jacksch and if he is not ready White have to play as the 3rd tall down back otherwise we are too short. Don't get me started on this swingman sh1te any decent team that knows what it's doing doesn't have "swingmen" covering holes everywhere.
- Not sure if Carrots and Curnow can play in the same team and expect Docherty to be in most games. Buckley also tough to miss out but will be right on the hammer of a couple.
Docherty not in the best 22?
Buckley Jamison White
Docherty Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Thomas
Everitt Henderson Walker
Casboult Jones Menzel
Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Boekhurst Cripps Curnow sub: Whiley
2nds
Sheehan Giles Tuohy
Byrne Fields Armfield
Rainbow Carrazzo Holman
Tutt Jacksch Johnson
Ellard Watson Foster
Warnock Bell Graham
Gowers Smith Walsh Wood
Buckley Jamison White
Docherty Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Thomas
Everitt Henderson Walker
Casboult Jones Menzel
Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Boekhurst Cripps Curnow sub: Whiley
2nds
Sheehan Giles Tuohy
Byrne Fields Armfield
Rainbow Carrazzo Holman
Tutt Jacksch Johnson
Ellard Watson Foster
Warnock Bell Graham
Gowers Smith Walsh Wood
Reckon you've nailed it Slippery but I'm I reckon one of Tuohy and Sheehan will play, probably for Whiley.
Buckley Jamison White
Docherty Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Thomas
Everitt Henderson Walker
Casboult Jones Menzel
Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Boekhurst Cripps Curnow sub: Whiley
2nds
Sheehan Giles Tuohy
Byrne Fields Armfield
Rainbow Carrazzo Holman
Tutt Jacksch Johnson
Ellard Watson Foster
Warnock Bell Graham
Gowers Smith Walsh Wood
Reckon you've nailed it Slippery but I'm I reckon one of Tuohy and Sheehan will play, probably for Whiley.
Once Bell came back properly from his finger injury, he gradually cranked up his form and finished very strongly. Cripps might need to show a bit to earn a spot before Dinger.........
Buckley Jamison White
Docherty Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Thomas
Everitt Henderson Walker
Casboult Jones Menzel
Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Boekhurst Cripps Curnow sub: Whiley
2nds
Sheehan Giles Tuohy
Byrne Fields Armfield
Rainbow Carrazzo Holman
Tutt Jacksch Johnson
Ellard Watson Foster
Warnock Bell Graham
Gowers Smith Walsh Wood
Reckon you've nailed it Slippery but I'm I reckon one of Tuohy and Sheehan will play, probably for Whiley.
Once Bell came back properly from his finger injury, he gradually cranked up his form and finished very strongly. Cripps might need to show a bit to earn a spot before Dinger.........
Whiley, Bell, Tuohy and Cripps certainly the hardest to assess. Maybe Whiley and Cripps too similar?
This is the first year in a while that I'm actually looking forward to NAB Cup/Challenge.
There one in Mandurah in Feb so I might head down for the weekend.
Buckley Jamison White
Docherty Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Thomas
Everitt Henderson Walker
Casboult Jones Menzel
Kreuzer Judd Murphy
Boekhurst Cripps Curnow sub: Whiley
2nds
Sheehan Giles Tuohy
Byrne Fields Armfield
Rainbow Carrazzo Holman
Tutt Jacksch Johnson
Ellard Watson Foster
Warnock Bell Graham
Gowers Smith Walsh Wood
Reckon you've nailed it Slippery but I'm I reckon one of Tuohy and Sheehan will play, probably for Whiley.
Once Bell came back properly from his finger injury, he gradually cranked up his form and finished very strongly. Cripps might need to show a bit to earn a spot before Dinger.........
The existing guys always (should) have an advantage over the incoming lads - it's up to the new blokes to show (on the park) that they offer up something better, different or both to the existing guys.
Bell won't give up a spot lightly and we all know what he brings to the table which is even more important post Robbo?
Reckon a few of the newbies will get a go, we didn't go hard for some of them to play in the 2nds. Slippers is very close.
Wood 1st ruck in the seniors (Levi out?), at least until Kruezer can run out a game.
If Jones hasn't slotted 10 goals in the first 5-6 weeks than promote Watson or Johnson.
I would also like a small/athletic type forward coming off the bench...someone like Tutt or Sheehan to support Menzel. Menzel is crucial next year but expect some tight checking tactics from the opposition.
There should be plenty of preseason competition for a senior spot from reading all of these posts - bodes well and I'm already looking forward to R1.
Wood 1st ruck in the seniors (Levi out?), at least until Kruezer can run out a game.
That raises the question of who our nominated rookies will be and I reckon it will be Sheehan and Johnson. Wood will only get a call up if there's an injury.
Wood 1st ruck in the seniors (Levi out?), at least until Kruezer can run out a game.
That raises the question of who our nominated rookies will be and I reckon it will be Sheehan and Johnson. Wood will only get a call up if there's an injury.
I'll go Sheehan only initially...reckon Johnson might struggle for senior games with the influx of new players both on the senior and rookie lists.
If Johnson gets promoted I think it will mean we are really struggling or have massive injury problems..
We always look like we have a sh1tload of depth at this time of the year as teams are hard to pick. Just never sure where it goes April 1...lol.
Here is my best team with depth options – doesn’t seem to be as much depth as I thought:
B: White Jamison Buckley/Carrazzo
HB: Tuohy Rowe/Jaksch Dick/Docherty
C: Thomas/Graham Gibbs Yarran
HF: Walker/Bell Jones Menzel
F: Kreuzer/Casboult Henderson Tutt/Smith
R: Wood/Warnock Murphy Judd
Interchange: Everitt/Curnow, Whiley/Cripps, Boekhorst, Armfield/Simpson
Sub: Sheehan
I reckon Docherty may find himself squeezed out at some stage.
I reckon Docherty may find himself squeezed out at some stage.
Carrots, I'm with you on Docherty, got at bit untidy at times with the ball last season and also can remove himself from contests at times.
Michael Jamsion disgarees however and suggested he is one of the players who sees improving and propelling the club forward, lets hope he is right...
interesting observations on Docherty - hopefully it's due to fitness and that as he improves his fitness, his concentration also improves and better decision making then follows...lot's of 'ifs' :)
B Dylan Buckley Michael Jamison Sam Rowe
HB Kade Simpson Lachie Henderson Chris Yarran
C Dale Thomas Bryce Gibbs Mark Whiley
HF Levi Casboult Liam Jones Jason Tutt
F Troy Menzel Andrew Walker Kristian Jaksch
R Matthew Kreuzer Marc Murphy Chris Judd
IC Clem Smith Blaine Boakhorst Andrejs Everitt
Zach Tuohy
Premium on pace with Smith, Boakhorst, Tutt and Whiley have to be given priority over Carrazzo, Ellard, Bell and Cripps, etc. to start the season.
Everitt, Touhy and Jaksch are probably borderline selections with around 15 players pushing for those 3 spots.
Looking at this team compared to the one that ran Geelong close in round 21 -
OUT:
Brock McLean (slow)
Andrew Carrazzo (slow)
David Ellard (slow)
Dennis Armfield
Jarrad Waite (slow)
Cameron Wood (slow)
Nick Graham (slow)
Sam Docherty (slow)
Tom Bell (slow)
Ed Curnow (slow)
Ciaran Sheehan
9 slow.
IN:
Lachie Henderson
Clem Smith (fast)
Matthew Kreuzer
Blaine Boakhorst (fast)
Jason Tutt (fast)
Liam Jones (fast)
Mark Whiley (fast)
Andrew Walker (fast)
Kristian Jaksch
Andrejs Everitt
Dylan Buckley (fast)
Turnover of half the team - including 7 genuinely fast players coming in.
Walker in his advancing years should now be left at full forward as he is clearly our best/only full forward. Likewise Henderson is our best CHB and needs to be left there for the full year. Swingmen are desperation stuff. If Rowe can be left on the 3rd opposition fwd I think it could benefit the team in a big way.
Tutt and Smith coming into the forward half along with Walker and 3 genuine talls plus Menzel gives us something the opposition really won't like dealing with. Looks more interesting than Ellard/Waite/etc.
Docherty is not slow
Docherty is not slow
He's no Brock McLean but nor is he a Tutt/Walker.
B Dylan Buckley Michael Jamison Sam Rowe
HB Kade Simpson Lachie Henderson Chris Yarran
C Dale Thomas Bryce Gibbs Mark Whiley
HF Levi Casboult Liam Jones Jason Tutt
F Troy Menzel Andrew Walker Kristian Jaksch
R Matthew Kreuzer Marc Murphy Chris Judd
IC Clem Smith Blaine Boakhorst Andrejs Everitt
Zach Tuohy
Premium on pace with Smith, Boakhorst, Tutt and Whiley have to be given priority over Carrazzo, Ellard, Bell and Cripps, etc. to start the season.
Everitt, Touhy and Jaksch are probably borderline selections with around 15 players pushing for those 3 spots.
Looking at this team compared to the one that ran Geelong close in round 21 -
OUT:
Brock McLean (slow)
Andrew Carrazzo (slow)
David Ellard (slow)
Dennis Armfield
Jarrad Waite (slow)
Cameron Wood (slow)
Nick Graham (slow)
Sam Docherty (slow)
Tom Bell (slow)
Ed Curnow (slow)
Ciaran Sheehan
9 slow.
IN:
Lachie Henderson
Clem Smith (fast)
Matthew Kreuzer
Blaine Boakhorst (fast)
Jason Tutt (fast)
Liam Jones (fast)
Mark Whiley (fast)
Andrew Walker (fast)
Kristian Jaksch
Andrejs Everitt
Dylan Buckley (fast)
Turnover of half the team - including 7 genuinely fast players coming in.
Walker in his advancing years should now be left at full forward as he is clearly our best/only full forward. Likewise Henderson is our best CHB and needs to be left there for the full year. Swingmen are desperation stuff. If Rowe can be left on the 3rd opposition fwd I think it could benefit the team in a big way.
Tutt and Smith coming into the forward half along with Walker and 3 genuine talls plus Menzel gives us something the opposition really won't like dealing with. Looks more interesting than Ellard/Waite/etc.
This isn't FIFA 15, mate. We want footballers, not fast runners. Docherty is not slow and Whiley is not fast by the way.
Why did we get Tutt, Dick, Smith, Boakhorst, etc?
Why did the recruitment manager state that he was under instruction to address the need for outside speed?
We played Curnow, Brock, Bell, Ellard, Carrazzo, etc. all in the same team last year. And it cost us.
What is it with people trying to say Curnow is slow? He is our best run with player, with a player like Cotchin we need Curnow to go with him. He'd be one of the first picked every game.
What is it with people trying to say Curnow is slow? He is our best run with player, with a player like Cotchin we need Curnow to go with him. He'd be one of the first picked every game.
Whilst I agree with you Raydan, I do find it a little sad that OUR FIRST picked is Curnow. By this I mean that most of the contenders first picked would be an attacking weapon. Ours is an elite runner who is a good run with player but with limited other attributes/skills. Yes his attitude and work ethic is first rate or elite but...
Curnow is slow isn't he?
I thought that was pretty clear.
Anyway, he's a pretty good tagger but questionable kick.
What is it with people trying to say Curnow is slow? He is our best run with player, with a player like Cotchin we need Curnow to go with him. He'd be one of the first picked every game.
Whilst I agree with you Raydan, I do find it a little sad that OUR FIRST picked is Curnow. By this I mean that most of the contenders first picked would be an attacking weapon. Ours is an elite runner who is a good run with player but with limited other attributes/skills. Yes his attitude and work ethic is first rate or elite but...
One of the first picked ;).
I would say we'd have around 10 that are automatic, Curnow would be one cause of his shut down roles. Muphy is 95% attack, Judd is 95% attack Gibbs 70% attack we would need someone in there who is defensive.
@Jeza, Curnow is frequently reported as top 2-3 in the 3km trials, which would say he is quick over a long distance. He's not lightning like Yarran but I'd be surprised if he wasn't top 20% for speed at our club.
@ Rayds - Furry muff mate ;)
Problem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.
I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....
Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....
Problem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.
I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....
Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....
I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.
I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks.
Problem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.
I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....
Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....
I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.
I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks.
I reckon at Hawthorn, EBs point of being able to carry someone like Ed is relevant. That is, Haw could carry a bloke like Ed, I reckon we cant ATM.
Why did we get Tutt, Dick, Smith, Boakhorst, etc?
Why did the recruitment manager state that he was under instruction to address the need for outside speed?
We played Curnow, Brock, Bell, Ellard, Carrazzo, etc. all in the same team last year. And it cost us.
It wasn't just because of their pace and I don't think Tutt is all that quick anyway (big tank though). Age and position was just as important in those decisions (next year, McLean - 29, Carrazzo - 31, Ellard - 26, Curnow - 26) all midfielders above the age demographic we were after. Yes, they said we need pace but Garlett and Armfield weren't getting a game either. We needed talent in positions we lacked (outside run). It just so happens that those players need to have pace.
Problem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.
I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....
Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....
I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.
I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks.
Love your work most of the time DJC but sheesh you're way off the mark here. Two different players altogether, not only in style but in class.
Lewis vs Curnow....daylight IMO in terms of ability, the former is a harder more aggressive player who is a better kick, hits the scoreboard and is a AA player...
Ed might have him covered in terms of endurance/tank etc but Lewis is a much better footballer IMO.
Then you have the leadership Lewis provides and as we all knowhe is a nasty customer on the field which we could do with....
Put Lewis in our team and we would be top 8 and he would probably be the captain.....IMO..
Lewis vs Curnow....daylight IMO in terms of ability, the former is a harder more aggressive player who is a better kick, hits the scoreboard and is a AA player...
Ed might have him covered in terms of endurance/tank etc but Lewis is a much better footballer IMO.
Then you have the leadership Lewis provides and as we all knowhe is a nasty customer on the field which we could do with....
Put Lewis in our team and we would be top 8 and he would probably be the captain.....IMO..
Agree - if the Hawks offered to swap Curnow for Lewis I would bite their hand off!
Problem with Curnow is the he does nothing else but tag and lacks an offensive game....the best taggers I have seen like a Cameron Ling work both ways...players like Jordan Lewis and Dan Hanneberry can tag and get a kick and we need something better than Curnow if we are to prosper.
I hope Whiley can bring an offensive game along with his tackling/tagging work and give us another player who can get the ball 25 plus times a game.....
Its very hard to carry one dimensional players these days....
I have to disagree EB; Curnow often racks up impressive disposal (and tackle) numbers while blanketing his opponent. However, I think that we don't get always good value from his disposals. I'm not sure that it's really down to him; giving him support and more and better options to target could improve his effectiveness.
I reckon that Curnow would be as good as, if not better than Lewis if he was playing for the Hawks.
Love your work most of the time DJC but sheesh you're way off the mark here. Two different players altogether, not only in style but in class.
Put Lewis in our team and watch how his game would deteriorate!
I don't mean that Curnow is the same type of player as Lewis. Curnow's strengths are his endurance and tackling. Put him in a team like Hawthorn where the defensive workload is more evenly shared - both through personnel and structures - and the other aspects of his game would blossom.
I'm not sure how Curnow and Lewis are a comparison. I myself feel Lewis has for more to offer a side than Curnow does, and has all the leadership skills, mongrel, and football skills to make him an "A" grader. In fact he can win a game of footy for his side off his own boot. Curnow is not in his league and probably might not ever get there either. Sure Curnow, at the Hawks would be a far better player. Having the support around him would help his game. for certain Lewis in our group would suffer the same issues Judd and Thomas would have trying to carry the entire squad.
Having them in the same side would see Lewis as a polished performer and an "A" grade elite, and Curnow being a try hard workhorse. Curnow does work hard, but he isn't in the league of Lewis. I can't see the point of the comparison. Be like comparing Bell with Sam Mitchell.
This has become a bit of a pick on Curnow session.
He's alright for a rookie who cost us nothing and is a pretty good tagger.
I'd imagine he'd be in the best 22 right now as Malthouse does seem to like locking down a player or 5 from the opposition. Though he never used to do that at Collingwood.
Back to the best 22 - I think the midfield lacks depth bigtime, the backline actually looks pretty decent but the forward line is full of unproven quantities. Waite, Betts and Garlett are all gone. That makes it tough. Replacements all have potential but we've got a solid history of taking potential and setting fire to it.
Carltons starting midfield.
Kreuzer, Judd, Gibbs, Murphy. Yarran and Daisy on the wings.
Don't worry about depth for the moment, how may other clubs could beat that midfield?
Not many, I would guess.
Carltons starting midfield.
Kreuzer, Judd, Gibbs, Murphy. Yarran and Daisy on the wings.
Don't worry about depth for the moment, how may other clubs could beat that midfield?
Not many, I would guess.
Its a good midfield on paper......heavily reliant on Judd to do the dirty work in the packs though...
It will also be interesting to see how Gibbs copes with being our best player now and cops the heavy tags like Murphy and Judd have over the past few seasons....
Judd is in his last season so we need an apprentice to step up and start to take his role....Cripps and Bell are the contenders with Cripps starting favorite and I'd like to see him rotate
with Judd during games and learn the role from the master....
Yarran and Daisy are the cream..I think the other four including Kruezer need to be the meat and spuds players who get it done each week....
Best team 2015
Docherty Jamison Jaksch
Touhey Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Everritt
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
Thomas Henderson Walker
Jones Casboult Menzel
Bell, Buckley, Curnow, Whiley
Best team 2015
Docherty Jamison Jaksch
Touhey Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Everritt
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
Thomas Henderson Walker
Jones Casboult Menzel
Bell, Buckley, Curnow, Whiley
Really excited about the list, got some really good height about it, some good in and under players, outside run and good depth. Drafted some very good people into the Club and have a real focus on Team Spirit. Can’t wait to see the development of Cripps, Boekhorst, Buckley, Menzel and others, go the Blues :)
Best team 2015
Docherty Jamison Jaksch
Touhey Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Everritt
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
Thomas Henderson Walker
Jones Casboult Menzel
Bell, Buckley, Curnow, Whiley
Really excited about the list, got some really good height about it, some good in and under players, outside run and good depth. Drafted some very good people into the Club and have a real focus on Team Spirit. Can’t wait to see the development of Cripps, Boekhorst, Buckley, Menzel and others, go the Blues :)
The light at the end of the tunnel is approaching very rapidly, it's looking good is 2015.
Just hope it's not a freight train coming the other way ;)
Best team 2015
Docherty Jamison Jaksch
Touhey Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Everritt
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
Thomas Henderson Walker
Jones Casboult Menzel
Bell, Buckley, Curnow, Whiley
Really excited about the list, got some really good height about it, some good in and under players, outside run and good depth. Drafted some very good people into the Club and have a real focus on Team Spirit. Can’t wait to see the development of Cripps, Boekhorst, Buckley, Menzel and others, go the Blues :)
The light at the end of the tunnel is approaching very rapidly, it's looking good is 2015.
Just hope it's not a freight train coming the other way ;)
:D
You would have swapped pick 7 for Jaksch and pick 19? :o :o :o
Glad that wasn't the club's opinion....
I think the club wanted Brokebeers at pick #7, knew he would drop all the way to pick #19 so decided to cash on on that. At least we don't have to listen to development excuses for him next season as he idea is he's ready made to go. Obviously he doesn't have to kill it, but needs to cement a spot in the side.
You would have swapped pick 7 for Jaksch and pick 19? :o :o :o
Glad that wasn't the club's opinion....
I think the club wanted Brokebeers at pick #7, knew he would drop all the way to pick #19 so decided to cash on on that. At least we don't have to listen to development excuses for him next season as he idea is he's ready made to go. Obviously he doesn't have to kill it, but needs to cement a spot in the side.
I think the pressure will be on Boakhurst. The club targeted him as a more mature player who could make an immediate impact. Pressure will definitely be on.
There will be some obvious expectations from Boekhorst to be a player that can be a ready starter and contribute. Far more than a regular young rookie, but it sounds like he might have the talent to surprise a few from his early games. No he can't be expected to be a match winning player, but a definite contributor.
You would have swapped pick 7 for Jaksch and pick 19? :o :o :o
Glad that wasn't the club's opinion....
I think the club wanted Brokebeers at pick #7, knew he would drop all the way to pick #19 so decided to cash on on that. At least we don't have to listen to development excuses for him next season as he idea is he's ready made to go. Obviously he doesn't have to kill it, but needs to cement a spot in the side.
Carrots, I have seen this kid play league in the WAFL against very good opposition and believe me he can play, he is so fast and excitting I recon the Blues got a ripper here ;)
Best team 2015
Docherty Jamison Jaksch
Touhey Rowe Simpson
Yarran Gibbs Everritt
Kreuzer Murphy Judd
Thomas Henderson Walker
Jones Casboult Menzel
Bell, Buckley, Curnow, Whiley
Really excited about the list, got some really good height about it, some good in and under players, outside run and good depth. Drafted some very good people into the Club and have a real focus on Team Spirit. Can’t wait to see the development of Cripps, Boekhorst, Buckley, Menzel and others, go the Blues :)
The light at the end of the tunnel is approaching very rapidly, it's looking good is 2015.
Just hope it's not a freight train coming the other way ;)
:) We are on the right track mate....excitting times ahead..go you mighty Blues
Our best 22 on paper looks pretty good, and hopefully we've got a little bit more depth now.
I also think we've got a little quicker. You take out Broke and replace him with Buckley (i'm really hoping he gets a full preseason in and plays the whole year), and then have Boekhorst replace a bit of a plodder like Curnow or Ellard, and suddenly we've got a bit more zip.
It's hard not to be optimistic this time of year, even though it has a history of being fruitless... But hye, it's gotta change one day doesn't it ???
You would have swapped pick 7 for Jaksch and pick 19? :o :o :o
Glad that wasn't the club's opinion....
I think the club wanted Brokebeers at pick #7, knew he would drop all the way to pick #19 so decided to cash on on that. At least we don't have to listen to development excuses for him next season as he idea is he's ready made to go. Obviously he doesn't have to kill it, but needs to cement a spot in the side.
Carrots, I have seen this kid play league in the WAFL against very good opposition and believe me he can play, he is so fast and excitting I recon the Blues got a ripper here ;)
Fingers crossed. If he does turn out to be a gun it's a huge win for the club. Problem is they all look like world beaters in the lesser grade.
Touhy, Rowe, Jamison
Docherty, Jaksch, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
Boekhorst, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Cripps, Tutt, Whiley
Touhy, Rowe, Jamison
Docherty, Jaksch, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
Boekhorst, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Cripps, Tutt, Whiley
That's a nice team Pratty, I see you've thrown Jaksch in the deep end at CHB, I'll be delighted if he is up to that challenge !!
Personally I would probably bring in Cripps for either Carrazzo or Curnow, just to improve our clearance capabilities a bit. But that is probably a bit of 6 and 2 threes.
I think Carrazzo still to this day is our best clearance player.
Curnow is our best run with player and defensive midfielder. I don't think he is at risk of losing his spot in the 22.
Touhy, Rowe, Jamison
Docherty, Jaksch, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
Boekhorst, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Cripps, Tutt, Whiley
Nice effort Pratty, which 3 go out?
Touhy, Rowe, Jamison
Docherty, Jaksch, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
Boekhorst, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Cripps, Tutt, Whiley
Nice effort Pratty, which 3 go out?
I think Cripps, Tutt and Whiley are the emergencies.
Touhy, Rowe, Jamison
Docherty, Jaksch, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Jones, Casboult
Kreuzer, Murphy, Carrazzo
Boekhorst, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Cripps, Tutt, Whiley
Nice effort Pratty, which 3 go out?
I think Cripps, Tutt and Whiley are the emergencies.
I would think Whiley and Cripps will compete for the same spot/role. Once must play, gonna be interesting. As I said earlier, do not be surprised with a few surprises. That is, Rainbow and Foster are real dark horses IMO.
Cripps was 2nd in the NB B&F playing about 10 games. He is well ahead of Whiley and BB if all remain fit and firing
My round 1 team.
Sheahan, Jamison, White
Docherty, Rowe, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Casboult, Kreuzer
Wood, Murphy, Cripps
Carrazzo, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Boekhorst, Graham, Touhy
My round 1 team.
Sheahan, Jamison, White
Docherty, Rowe, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Casboult, Kreuzer
Wood, Murphy, Cripps
Carrazzo, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Boekhorst, Graham, Touhy
Nice Roy, no newbies in the side though. Also, for Wood to play Rnd 1, we need an LTI and the only one I can think of right at this moment is Giles but that will depend on his recovery progress.
Cripps was 2nd in the NB B&F playing about 10 games. He is well ahead of Whiley and BB if all remain fit and firing
Cripps, Whiley and Boekhorst are three different players....the latter has the pace and outside game that the coach wanted and with respect the NB's were a
rabble most of last season and I wouldnt be too swayed by B&F results ...
Cripps is a player the club want to succeed and I agree he will be given plenty of opportunities...
Whiley will have to work harder than the other two given he has more players competing for the onball tagging roles....
My round 1 team.
Sheahan, Jamison, White
Docherty, Rowe, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Casboult, Kreuzer
Wood, Murphy, Cripps
Carrazzo, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Boekhorst, Graham, Touhy
Nice Roy, no newbies in the side though. Also, for Wood to play Rnd 1, we need an LTI and the only one I can think of right at this moment is Giles but that will depend on his recovery progress.
Wood will be a nominated rookie won't he?
My round 1 team.
Sheahan, Jamison, White
Docherty, Rowe, Simpson
Yarran, Gibbs, Thomas
Walker, Henderson, Judd
Menzel, Casboult, Kreuzer
Wood, Murphy, Cripps
Carrazzo, Buckley, Curnow, Everitt
Boekhorst, Graham, Touhy
Nice Roy, no newbies in the side though. Also, for Wood to play Rnd 1, we need an LTI and the only one I can think of right at this moment is Giles but that will depend on his recovery progress.
Wood will be a nominated rookie won't he?
He wasn't nominated last season and our MC seems to keep its options open when it comes to rookies. Given that he is to be elevated in 2016, you would expect him to be nominated . . . but you never know.
Well we had Scotland and Cachia as nominated rookies last yea.
With both of them gone, I reckon we'll nominate Wood and Sheahan.