Our last practice game is not next weekend, but the weekend after, on Friday night. Our only Friday game for 2016. :)
I hope we play a side that might be a bit closer to the team for Round 1. I don't like getting pumped by the Drug Cheats.
Anything better than 4 goals will be an improvement.
We definitely need to field our best possible team for this one IMO.
We definitely need to field our best possible team for this one IMO.
That was the comment that resonated most among the people I was with yesterday, "why play such a weak side today?".
We definitely need to field our best possible team for this one IMO.
I'd say the team will be more like what will rock up for Rnd1 vs the Tigers with our A grade midfield back in...think our main problem remains the forward line..
There will be a massive change before the next game:
IN: Cripps, Murphy, Kreuzer, Gibbs, Kerridge, Walker, Wright.
OUT: Jones, Tutt, Dick, Cuningham, Silvagni, Phillips/Gorringe, Byrne.
I'd say the team will be more like what will rock up for Rnd1 vs the Tigers with our A grade midfield back in...think our main problem remains the forward line..
Watching yesterday we don't seem to have any clue in the F50, with guys like our mate Jones running around like headless chooks, no real leads and the ball being bombed in long to a pack contesting for the ball - 9/10 times resulting in a turnover. Just not ever going to work, as the scoreboard reflected. The Bummers, on the other hand, had leading players and on occasions some nice entries and delivery. All of that, coupled with skill errors and turnovers all around the ground were what I took home from the afternoon.
Hopefully the inclusion of our senior players will fix the skill errors to an extent but where the hell are the answers to the F50 predicament?? ???
That was the comment that resonated most among the people I was with yesterday, "why play such a weak side today?".
People need to look at the big picture. Does losing to Essenscum suck? Yes. Does Rd 2 of the NAB Challenge mean anything? No. Did our kids get a good run and do a few nice things? Certainly.
It was worth giving an extended run to our most inexperienced players, and this was a perfect opportunity to do it. We were playing a team of kids and rejects. It wasn't worth rushing back Murphy and Cripps. It's better to ease Kreuzer into Rd 1 after his injury issues. Kerridge is one who probably could have/should have played, but you'd think he's locked in his spot for Rd 1, so it was a good opportunity to see who else could step up to the plate. As a result of more experienced players being unabailable, Graham and Tuohy really stepped up. Graham would have to be a certainty now to be in the best 22 come Rd 1.
People need to look at the big picture. Does losing to Essenscum suck? Yes. Does Rd 2 of the NAB Challenge mean anything? No. Did our kids get a good run and do a few nice things? Certainly.
It was worth giving an extended run to our most inexperienced players, and this was a perfect opportunity to do it. We were playing a team of kids and rejects. It wasn't worth rushing back Murphy and Cripps. It's better to ease Kreuzer into Rd 1 after his injury issues. Kerridge is one who probably could have/should have played, but you'd think he's locked in his spot for Rd 1, so it was a good opportunity to see who else could step up to the plate. As a result of more experienced players being unabailable, Graham and Tuohy really stepped up. Graham would have to be a certainty now to be in the best 22 come Rd 1.
No argument from me Navy, I was merely stating what all the whingers were carrying on with yesterday, I felt like dead set punching them in the head! Some people just never learn.
Full strength CFC midfield - Cripps, Murph, Gibbs, Kerridge, Graham, Thomas, Wright, Whiley, Boekhurst (Simmo, Docherty)
That's a pretty decent list.
Full strength CFC midfield - Cripps, Murph, Gibbs, Kerridge, Graham, Thomas, Wright, Whiley, Boekhurst (Simmo, Docherty)
That's a pretty decent list.
Once that midfield hums along together in sync, it will be pretty good I reckon. Still not sure about Whiley but I will hold off judgement until he gets a decent crack at it.
That was the comment that resonated most among the people I was with yesterday, "why play such a weak side today?".
Because 4 points wasn't at stake. Winning is irrelevant so it was a week to expose the kids.
sos - wrong thread
Once that midfield hums along together in sync, it will be pretty good I reckon. Still not sure about Whiley but I will hold off judgement until he gets a decent crack at it.
Forgot Ed Curnow. Oops, sorry Ed, much better player than many give him credit for......
Delivery into the forward 50 must improve if we are to kick more than 6 goals a game. Deplorable.
I still have a huge concern.
We look at the forward performance last week and say...."yep, it was poor but wait until we get our full midfield back and it will be a different story."
But really, even fully fit, that's not a significantly better mid-field than we played for most of last year and that did little for our forward performance.
Our top goalkickers last year were
1 Andrejs Everitt 31
2 Levi Casboult 24
3 Tom Bell 17
4 Lachlan Henderson 16
5 Dennis Armfield 13
5 Troy Menzel 13
7 Andrew Walker 12
8 Zach Tuohy 9
8 Matthew Kreuzer 9
10 Marc Murphy 7
10 Liam Jones 7
Bell, Henderson and Menzel are gone....There's going to have to be a massive step up by more than one forward to make a significant difference to our scoring power.
Bell, Henderson and Menzel are gone....There's going to have to be a massive step up by more than one forward to make a significant difference to our scoring power.
Clarkson would say "3 soldiers fall over, 3 others stand up". Thats what BB will tell them I reckon.
Is the problem of poor performance in the F50 one of our mids being incapable of good delivery or one of our forwards not creating anything to deliver it to, or being incapable of doing much if it is delivered to them, or a combination of all these things (plus more!)? I'll be very interested to see if we try anything different v. the Swans.
Clarkson would say "3 soldiers fall over, 3 others stand up". Thats what BB will tell them I reckon.
Yep
But that just brings us back to square...
Our "points for" last year were our worst since 1967 when we only played 18 regular season games.
Players don't just have to stand up they have to go a bit better than that.
How we structure and the game plan we employ will have an impact but that's an unknown at present.
A forward or two may emerge and surprise....but again, it's not obvious.
I still have a huge concern.
We look at the forward performance last week and say...."yep, it was poor but wait until we get our full midfield back and it will be a different story."
But really, even fully fit, that's not a significantly better mid-field than we played for most of last year and that did little for our forward performance.
Our top goalkickers last year were
1 Andrejs Everitt 31
2 Levi Casboult 24
3 Tom Bell 17
4 Lachlan Henderson 16
5 Dennis Armfield 13
5 Troy Menzel 13
7 Andrew Walker 12
8 Zach Tuohy 9
8 Matthew Kreuzer 9
10 Marc Murphy 7
10 Liam Jones 7
Bell, Henderson and Menzel are gone....There's going to have to be a massive step up by more than one forward to make a significant difference to our scoring power.
Pretty difficult to judge our forward line when we don't get the ball past the centre for most of the game.
Yep
But that just brings us back to square...
Our "points for" last year were our worst since 1967 when we only played 18 regular season games.
Players don't just have to stand up they have to go a bit better than that.
How we structure and the game plan we employ will have an impact but that's an unknown at present.
A forward or two may emerge and surprise....but again, it's not obvious.
Have faith in BB and his men, they will play them to their strengths. Might take a bit to figure out who can do what but he will figure it out.
Pretty difficult to judge our forward line when we don't get the ball past the centre for most of the game.
Amen Jeza....gotta win the ball (first use ideally) and get it in their quickly otherwise any forward structure is up against it.
From that list
1 Andrejs Everitt 31 35
2 Levi Casboult 24 30
3
Tom Bell 17
4 Lachlan Henderson 165 Dennis Armfield 13 15
5 Troy Menzel 137 Andrew Walker 12 35 (in 2011 as a permanent forward kicked 56)
8 Zach Tuohy 9 10
8 Matthew Kreuzer 9 15
10 Marc Murphy 7 15
10 Liam Jones 7 0
Gibbs 15-20
Cripps 10-15
Thomas 10 - 15
Kerridge 20 - 25 (career average 1 a game)
Wright 10-15
Lamb/Smith (SF) 15
If Plowman stands up down back (and/or Jacksh), I'd be tempted to swing Weitering forward as a third tall.....has some pedigree.
If Army can nail 13 (from 12 games) thosae other blokes just as likely, some moreso eg Gibbs, Thomas, Kerridge
Pretty difficult to judge our forward line when we don't get the ball past the centre for most of the game.
It's actually silly to do so based on last weeks game where we were smashed in the middle
But I was judging it on last season (Our worst forward performance for the last 50 years) and looking for areas and signs of where we can improve this aspect.
What players have we added to take up the slack.
Our problem wasn't getting the ball forward last year...although delivery was to some extent.
But it was more what happened when it got there.
Players like Jack and Harry will improve the situation down the track ...but for season 2016 a lot has to go right.
We can whack a couple of goals onto the tallies of players from last year and say "there we are, problem solved" but it's a guess at best.
Getting the ball into our F50 and kicking straight once it's in there are of course two separate issues.
One obvious way of minimizing turnovers is simply to pass less and run and carry more. Have speedsters off the HB line and around the stoppages, and bounce/run/carry the ball into the F50, linking with other players via short ball movements like hand passing. Run the opposition off their feet and don't give them a chance to get the pill. Essentially what Ratts was doing.
Of course, like any strategy, it has pluses and minuses, and whether we have the list to do this is open to question. But given our turnovers are major coach, player and fan killers, it's worth a look.
Is the problem of poor performance in the F50 one of our mids being incapable of good delivery or one of our forwards not creating anything to deliver it to, or being incapable of doing much if it is delivered to them, or a combination of all these things (plus more!)? I'll be very interested to see if we try anything different v. the Swans.
It's a team sport, so it's definitely both. Also I believe another big issue is between the ears - Walks last year said that he couldn't really account for the match day performances, because at training, everything falls into place and works beautifully. But clearly not in matches.
We have no idea what reduced interchanges will do to scoring ability this year.
It could do a variety of things.
1. Open the game up after half time. Tired legs run better forward than they do backwards.
2. It could end up in bigger blowouts, where mature teams have an advantage of being battle heartened and fitter, meaning they are really able to steam roll teams from start to finish and will score frequently.
3. It could be a tightly contested match where scoring is not easy and we see a reduction in goals.
4. It could result in more momentum swings where teams score heavily quickly.
Realistically we have no way of knowing how coaches are going to combat it, but I would say that they are going to be drilled to play zonal defense, along with open attack and will pick and choose when to swing between them. This will result in different matches being played differently depending on the coaches, but the actual results are going to be difficult to predict from now.
Goals & the forward line are the key , some players are natural goal kickers & some aren't. We dont have a small forward who has a quiet day and can bob up with 2-3 goals eg Garlett. The players who missed last week are seasoned players , they have there goal averages per game based upon how they have played for many seasons, just because we dont have Bell as an example doesnt mean that some one will step up & double there goal averages .
Extra goals wont come from the seasoned players , we need to look at the new players & there within lies the problem. Little history of their out put , and our expectation for them to lead the way re goals is going to be wishful at best.
Looking at the last 5 years Betts, Waite, Garlett, Bell , Hendo, one of them you could count on to pick up 3/4/5 in a game and be the nucleus of our goal scoring for the game. I doubt we will average 10 goals a game this season , not because of the quality of the players , as there were some great signs even from last weeks game. But doesn't transfer to score board pressure. its the player mix we need to change & I am sure thats part of the grand plan . Unfortunately not scoring is a negative effect on the side after awhile , all their efforts not only not achieving a win , but showing a lack of ability to create scoreboard pressure leaves a feeling of under achievement. It also will impact on the memberships and general feeling around the club. If you are loosing but still kicking goals you feel like you're in with a shot, it not ....
Love Levi, but he is not our answer , never will be the key forward eg Waite, Lance etc , not in his make up, but he is the best option we have right now . I understand we are all for the new 3-4 year plan, but I think we missed somewhere in remembering we need to be serviceable as part of the plan going forward.
Our midfielders don't kick goals.
Dangerfield 21
Swan 21
Pendlebury 15
S Hill 17
Fyfe 17
Barlow 16
Motlop 26
I Smith 23
Hodge 21
B Hill 16
B Harvey 24
R Gray 25
Deledio 27
Martin 24
Grigg lol 16
L Parker 18
Heeney 16
Kennedy (Syd) 15
Hannebery 15
Shuey 24
Bontempelli 17
Dahlhaus 17
Wallis 15
M Murphy 7
P. Cripps 6
Gibbs 4 (10 games)
Carrazzo 1
Curnow 0
That was under the previous regime, not sure if you noticed but not many goals were scored with our prehistoric gameplan. I would venture to say that pound for pound our midfielders still kicked their share of goals.
Our midfielders don't kick goals.
Dangerfield 21
Swan 21
Pendlebury 15
S Hill 17
Fyfe 17
Barlow 16
Motlop 26
I Smith 23
Hodge 21
B Hill 16
B Harvey 24
R Gray 25
Deledio 27
Martin 24
Grigg lol 16
L Parker 18
Heeney 16
Kennedy (Syd) 15
Hannebery 15
Shuey 24
Bontempelli 17
Dahlhaus 17
Wallis 15
M Murphy 7
P. Cripps 6
Gibbs 4 (10 games)
Carrazzo 1
Curnow 0
I'm safely assuming those are 2015 stats ?
Just as an example, Murph kicked 22 in 2011.
That was under the previous regime, not sure if you noticed but not many goals were scored with our prehistoric gameplan. I would venture to say that pound for pound our midfielders still kicked their share of goals.
I don't know if you have noticed but in the first 2 NAB games under an all new regime nothing has changed. Hence why we're discussing it.
I'm safely assuming those are 2015 stats ?
Just as an example, Murph kicked 22 in 2011.
and 11 in 2012, yes it happened.
I don't know if you have noticed but in the first 2 NAB games under an all new regime nothing has changed. Hence why we're discussing it.
I don't know if you've noticed, but none of those midfielders you've mentioned have played in the NAB Cup as yet other than Curnow who has never been an offensive midfielder.
and 11 in 2012, yes it happened.
Not sure if you noticed, but Murphy missed a large chunk of games in 2012.
I don't know if you've noticed, but none of those midfielders you've mentioned have played in the NAB Cup as yet other than Curnow who has never been an offensive midfielder.
You're just highlighting what I'm saying, our midfielders don't kick goals.
Not sure if you noticed, but Murphy missed a large chunk of games in 2012.
Murphy
2015: 19 games, 7 goals
2014: 20 games, 10 goals
2013: 23 games, 18 goals
2012: 16 games 11 goals
2011: 24 games, 22 goals
Gibbs
2015: 10 games, 4 goals
2014: 22 games, 18 goals
2013: 21 games, 11 goals
2012: 22 games, 8 goals
2011: 23 games, 21 goals
Carrazzo
2015: 16 games, 1 goal
2014: 14 games, 0 goals
2013: 10 games, 1 goal
2012: 14 games, 5 goals
2011: 18 games, 5 goals
Curnow
2015: 22 games, 0 goals
2014: 15 games, 2 goals
2013: 21 games, 6 goals
2012: 18 games, 0 goals
2011: 12 games, 3 goals
Judd
2015: 8 games, 4 goals
2014: 12 games, 7 goals
2013: 20 games, 11 goals
2012: 17 games, 13 goals
2011: 24 games, 14 goals
(Interesting Judd's highest tally for Carlton (15 in 2008) was equal with his worst tally at the Eagles (15 in 2005). He kicked 20+ in every other year at West Coast.)
You're just highlighting what I'm saying, our midfielders don't kick goals.
I'd play Gibbs as a forward who runs on the ball every now and then rather than the other way round, kicked goals for Glenelg but we have never used him forward enough...even played FF there.
Kerridge is a goal kicking mid as is Graham......
I think Murphy is another player who needs to spend some more time forward as a forward pocket goalsneak to get away from taggers and we need to get away from the Gibbs/Murphy midfield setup and re-design our onball division...
When Plowman is fit I would use him in the middle..big bodied hard working type who can carry the ball Josh Kennedy style, GWS were trying to develop him in that role but when you have Treloar and Sheil there wasnt any room for him on a regular basis...
Murphy has shown (and the goal kicking stats back it up) that he plays better and kicks more goals in a better team. He's just not a guy you can depend on when the chips are down like a Judd or a Fevola.
Having a quick look , I believe we have only a couple of players who's career average is 1 goal or more , and one of them is Jones !!!!!
Cant see how they will change the kicking boots now?
Murphy has shown (and the goal kicking stats back it up) that he plays better and kicks more goals in a better team. He's just not a guy you can depend on when the chips are down like a Judd or a Fevola.
And thats another sad part unfortunately , as much as I am a fan Murphy fan , he does go missing at times when we need it
Murphy's too small to be played as inside mid / 1st receiver.
Needs to be played as more outside / 2nd receiver, as he was in 2011.
Murphy has shown (and the goal kicking stats back it up) that he plays better and kicks more goals in a better team. He's just not a guy you can depend on when the chips are down like a Judd or a Fevola.
Wrong. He kicks more goals with an attacking gameplan, hence his figures under Ratts were far better (other than 2012 when he missed a large chunk of games).
Agree Murphy is a potential all australian wingman. Mediocre midfielder.
Agree Murphy is a potential all australian wingman. Mediocre midfielder.
Isnt a wingman considered a midfielder?
Isnt a wingman considered a midfielder?
I think the terminology and nomenclature for field positions in AFL isn't as precise as it could be.
If you use the diagram from Wikipedia :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football_positions
I would say the real inside mids are only the centre, rover and ruck rover. Basically the first receivers, which is not suited to Murph IMO.
Isnt a wingman considered a midfielder?
Winger is more a flanker type, not sure wing is really a position now.
Not even sure if flank is a position either TBH.
Wrong. He kicks more goals with an attacking gameplan, hence his figures under Ratts were far better (other than 2012 when he missed a large chunk of games).
Yes, he wasn't suited to MMs body wrestling the ball around the boundary for 120 mins game plan.
Wrong. He kicks more goals with an attacking gameplan, hence his figures under Ratts were far better (other than 2012 when he missed a large chunk of games).
2012 happened.
2012 happened.
Ah yes - 2012, the annus horribilis that really wasn't.
I'd play Gibbs as a forward who runs on the ball every now and then rather than the other way round, kicked goals for Glenelg but we have never used him forward enough...even played FF there.
Kerridge is a goal kicking mid as is Graham......
I think Murphy is another player who needs to spend some more time forward as a forward pocket goalsneak to get away from taggers and we need to get away from the Gibbs/Murphy midfield setup and re-design our onball division...
When Plowman is fit I would use him in the middle..big bodied hard working type who can carry the ball Josh Kennedy style, GWS were trying to develop him in that role but when you have Treloar and Sheil there wasnt any room for him on a regular basis...
One of the better posts I've read.
Would love to see how Kreuzer would go at FF for a full game. Won't ever get my wish, but always been curious to see him perform if given 4 quarters in the arc.
Would love to see how Kreuzer would go at FF for a full game. Won't ever get my wish, but always been curious to see him perform if given 4 quarters in the arc.
Wish granted!
Yep, we need a more powerful midfield unit:
1. Murphy
2. Cripps
3. Gibbs
4. E.Curnow
5. Kerridge
6. Thomas
7. Docherty
8. Graham
9. Whiley
10. Wright
10. Boekhorst
11. Buckley
12. Tuohy
13. Kreuzer - ruckman
Simpson might play some more wing this year, I'd even consider him to play as a craft HFF'er. Not sure he'll be able to always keep up down back but his level head is great all over the park.
Simpson, Boekhorst, Buckley, Docherty, Tuohy - they'll rotate between the flanks/wings/onball brigade though I'd like to see more time in the guts for Doch and Zackary 2E. Get Bucks to the outside on a wing all day and he'll grow in that role IMHO.
Think Kerridge will be massive for us. Wright will be better than many think - I've always been a fan of his. He'll play a nice blend of small forward/onball.
Best I've seen Thomas look and move a couple of weeks back. Whiley will win clearances to help Cripps so long as he uses the ball well. Add some more bulk and he'll be even better - just stronger shoulders, back, arms, core.
Graham - I hope he continues to improve, get heaps of the ball and use it well, snag a couple of goals. He'll be very handy then. Add a Cuningham for some games along with Boekhorst and Bucks and there is some really break-neck speed there.
Doesn't look all that bad when you put it like that Pratty.
I think you can add C Curnow to that list.
No mucking around....Go in with essentially our first round team and take it right up to them.
I want to see what our 2016 side looks like and plays like.
I think you can add C Curnow to that list.
x 2.
Isn't it pretty much traditional the Swans lose all their NAB games?
We'll fix that ;D
Doc, touhey, wright, Buckley aren't mids. Whiley.... jury is still out but only just. He has been way off the pace in preseason.
We need a Sumner, Plowman, etc. To really come good. Like cripps did last year. Without a few of our younger guys becoming stars we're stuffed i think.
whiley could be my 2016 whipping boy but we will judge him after 2 games
Doc, touhey, wright, Buckley aren't mids. Whiley.... jury is still out but only just. He has been way off the pace in preseason.
We need a Sumner, Plowman, etc. To really come good. Like cripps did last year. Without a few of our younger guys becoming stars we're stuffed i think.
Wright not a mid...do some basic research son.....ffs.
The others are as much mids as anyone other player with a roaming commission in any team.....
Wright not a mid...do some basic research son.....ffs.
.......................
Listed as such on the official cfc website :
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/player-profile/matthew-wright
The title classifies him as a midfielder, and the description says inside midfielder / forward.
Silvagni thinks Wright is a midfielder :)
Carlton has added experience to its list after signing delisted free agent Matthew Wright.
The 25-year-old former Crow played 94 games for Adelaide after being recruited through the 2009 Rookie Draft.
Carlton’s General Manager of List Management and Strategy Stephen Silvagni says Wright will add to Carlton’s depth.
“Matthew is an inside midfielder-forward with clean hands who’s a good set shot and quick around the packs,” Silvagni said.
“Importantly, he’s also a quality person who will bring experience and leadership to our team.
“With Matthew, our new draftees and the players we secured through the trade period, our list is taking shape.
“We believe we’ve got some terrific talent through the door and now we’re looking forward to seeing our list grow and develop under coach Brendon Bolton.”
An inside mid who is handy around the goals is just what we need. It would be nice to see him do well against the Swans next week.
http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111624/Matthew-WRIGHT (http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111624/Matthew-WRIGHT)
This guy will be regular starting 22 for us, alongside Kerridge.
Anyone who thinks our 2016 midfield will lack grunt, think again.....
Good player is Matt Wright, kicks goals and can find the footy..only reason he like Kerridgee didnt get more game time is the Crows strong onball division..Thompson, Dangerman and Sloane didnt leave much room for anyone else and Wright was fighting for game time...
I think he will start forward and get some time on the ball...
I'd play Gibbs as a forward who runs on the ball every now and then rather than the other way round, kicked goals for Glenelg but we have never used him forward enough...even played FF there.
Kerridge is a goal kicking mid as is Graham......
I think Murphy is another player who needs to spend some more time forward as a forward pocket goalsneak to get away from taggers and we need to get away from the Gibbs/Murphy midfield setup and re-design our onball division...
When Plowman is fit I would use him in the middle..big bodied hard working type who can carry the ball Josh Kennedy style, GWS were trying to develop him in that role but when you have Treloar and Sheil there wasnt any room for him on a regular basis...
Yeah, love this setup and think it is the way to go.
I tend to agree with the Murphy/Gibbs be all end all type of setup.
We have to become more creative, develop more blokes and put the acid on other guys to take our great football club to the next level.
Wright not a mid...do some basic research son.....ffs.
The others are as much mids as anyone other player with a roaming commission in any team.....
Eddie Betts goes into the centre square occasionally but you wouldn't classify him as a mid.
Wright does a stint here or there in the middle but he's a flanker / forward pocket predominantly. He also played forward flank in the Tassy game.
You've listed Touhey and Docherty as mids but I need to do some basic research?
And why ffffffs are you so angry?
This guy will be regular starting 22 for us, alongside Kerridge.
Anyone who thinks our 2016 midfield will lack grunt, think again.....
Agree...Kerridge and Wright are ready to go players...Wright is a capable goalkicker and has some grunt to his game which I think will see him in the team ahead of Lamb, Smith, Sumner etc..
Can we please not select Liam Jones for this game?
Can we please not select Liam Jones for this game?
Wood and Jax in. :)
I get the feeling Wood will be in front of Phillips by round 5 as the preferred 2nd ruck.
I get the feeling Wood will be in front of Phillips by round 5 as the preferred 2nd ruck.
I think that Wood's in front of Phillips now. Capuano wasn't impressed with the performances of Phillips and Gorringe against Essendon and they are running out of time to make an impression.
Wasn't the plan to try Gorringe elsewhere to the ruck? This may be more pressing now that MacKay is injured.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-03-09/squad-named-for-swans-clash (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-03-09/squad-named-for-swans-clash)
No Smurf.
Wasn't the plan to try Gorringe elsewhere to the ruck? This may be more pressing now that MacKay is injured.
Yes, he was training with the forwards with the intention of making him a half forward. That was his role against Hawthorn and he played forward when not rucking against the drug cheats. It hasn't been entirely successful but he could do OK with a stronger midfield.
I'd like to know how Foster is going ???
Where is Jaksch, Plowman, Wood?
Seem to be missing a few :o
Edit, Plowman injured.
Wasn't the plan to try Gorringe elsewhere to the ruck? This may be more pressing now that MacKay is injured.
Yep I reckon Gorringe will probably play KP Forward and have the odd run in the ruck..he was a free agent so we have nothing to lose by trying him forward but history
shows ruckman dont make it as KP Forwards...Paul Salmon and Peter Moore being exceptions...
I saw a bit in Gorringe in the last game to suggest he has some ability but he needs some angry pills to maintain the rage as he seems to play in bursts....if he can make a contest and give Casboult a chop out he might be of some value...the alternative is Liam Jones or Foster...the latter seems to be in hiding as we have not seen him this NAB cup and Jones might as well have been in hiding given his effectiveness...
Sam Rowe is another who could play CHF but is better down back IMO..
I'm not worried about seeing Wood. I know what he can offer.
Gorringe and Phillips need exposure and senior games on end as much as we can offer them IMHO. Same could be said for a number of other blokes.
Foster....who knows whats happening there.
Jones to the magoos to learn/play FB.
My preseason side had Rowe at CHF with Casboult at FF but unless they decide to throw Gorringe to CHB (not a bad idea!) then Rowe will stay in defence and we'll rotate the newbies through the ruck and forwardline with MK and Levi.
I'm not worried about seeing Wood. I know what he can offer.
Gorringe and Phillips need exposure and senior games on end as much as we can offer them IMHO. Same could be said for a number of other blokes.
Foster....who knows whats happening there.
Jones to the magoos to learn/play FB.
My preseason side had Rowe at CHF with Casboult at FF but unless they decide to throw Gorringe to CHB (not a bad idea!) then Rowe will stay in defence and we'll rotate the newbies through the ruck and forwardline with MK and Levi.
I get the idea that we have been assessing who is ready to step up to regular senior footy in varying roles rather than anything else. If you haven't seen a player yet they are either injured or earmarked to play a certain role IMHO.
Think I'll go along and have a look at what is now close to our best team. Pity about Murph.
Rainbow? Sheehan?
Young Charlie Curnow must be making a pretty good impression, named in all 3 games, and you would have to think now would be a good chance to play early games in season proper.
It'll be interesting to see what role he settles into, probably more as a forward, in his 1st season at least.
Someone has to kick our goals !!
Weitering also looking good, which is probably less surprising....
Given that it's a pre-season game and a time of experimentation and 'mixing it up a bit' I wouldn't mind seeing Weitering have a game up forward.
Given that it's a pre-season game and a time of experimentation and 'mixing it up a bit' I wouldn't mind seeing Weitering have a game up forward.
Agree. Like to see him trialled for at least a quarter up forward.
Weitering is a natural backman. Curnow a natural forward.
I'd love it if we just left that alone and let them settle into the team. Going to be hard enough to be first year players.
Young Charlie Curnow must be making a pretty good impression, named in all 3 games, and you would have to think now would be a good chance to play early games in season proper.
It'll be interesting to see what role he settles into, probably more as a forward, in his 1st season at least.
Someone has to kick our goals !!
Weitering also looking good, which is probably less surprising....
I had a chat to Ed after the Essendon game and he reckons Charlie will be a star as a marking forward. He could be a tad biased but I'd like to think that he's on the money :)
I get the idea that we have been assessing who is ready to step up to regular senior footy in varying roles rather than anything else. If you haven't seen a player yet they are either injured or earmarked to play a certain role IMHO.
I'm not sure Dillon Viojo-Rainbow falls into either of those categories.
I'm not sure Dillon Viojo-Rainbow falls into either of those categories.
Some may have already been written off altogether.
This one has had the kiss of death on him since Andy maher called him the next ken Hunter this time last year.
Some may have already been written off altogether.
This one has had the kiss of death on him since Andy maher called him the next ken Hunter this time last year.
Seriously ? Andy Maher said that ?
Pretty much full strength, no Murphy but most teams will be missing one of their best a lot of the time.
Friday will give us the best indication so far of where we are, I'm confident of a good showing as I reckon that's a fair side.
Seriously ? Andy Maher said that ?
Yep heard it one morning on the way to work last year and instantly wrote off skittles.
Could never live up to that expectation.
No Cameron Wood either. Maybe he can't be upgraded at this stage.
In a long list of dumb things, that is the dumbest thing Maher has said.
In a long list of dumb things, that is the dumbest thing Maher has said.
I'm guilty of pumping up DVR's tyres early on. I remember going to his first training session and he stood out for me that day. It was the way he moved (and kicked the footy) that caught my eye. Sadly though, since that day? He hasn't struck a blow. There's time, but its fast running out for him.
No Cameron Wood either. Maybe he can't be upgraded at this stage.
No restrictions on rookies playing in the NAB Challenge. Perhaps, as Pratty suggested, they know what Wood can do and still aren't sure about Phillips and Gorringe.
Sure it wasn't a "plays like" or "similar type to" rather than a "the next" comment? Andy isn't stupid.
And if DVR is struggling, how is Jaksch going? Crikey.
No restrictions on rookies playing in the NAB Challenge. Perhaps, as Pratty suggested, they know what Wood can do and still aren't sure about Phillips and Gorringe.
Yes Wood is a season player, like Murphy and others on the list he doesn't need testing. SpecialK does need testing in terms of durability, the Philips and Gorringe need lots more game time.
In a long list of dumb things, that is the dumbest thing Maher has said.
Maher is the kiss of death, always has been and always will be. You do realise he was standing on the bar singing We Are The Navy Blues 5 minutes into the last quarter of that fateful Elim Final vs The Lions back in 2009. Really hate the fact that this douche is the unofficial spokesman for the club in the media.
Sure it wasn't a "plays like" or "similar type to" rather than a "the next" comment? Andy isn't stupid.
And if DVR is struggling, how is Jaksch going? Crikey.
If I had to nominate one main concern about our list atm Jaksch would be it. OK he's had his setbacks due to injury sure, but he has shown virtually nothing so far and he (together with Whiley) cost us. Not the end of the world yet BUT it is a concern, at least for me.
Sure it wasn't a "plays like" or "similar type to" rather than a "the next" comment? Andy isn't stupid.
He's pronounced the name of jockey Dom Torneur (pronounced Torner) as Dom Torney-Air for years. Maybe ignorant is a better description?
Yes Wood is a season player, like Murphy and others on the list he doesn't need testing. SpecialK does need testing in terms of durability, the Philips and Gorringe need lots more game time.
I think the fact that we recruited two young ruckmen indicates that the club is well aware of Wood's strengths and weaknesses.
He'd struggle for a game anywhere but Carlton, or Essendon this season.
Looks like Bolton doesn't rate Jaksch much / at all........ very very big worry.
He's not injured - just playing in the VFL and form will dictate if he comes up for senior selection.
If Bolton rates KJ below Liam "1 posy match" Jones then he must be going fairly ordinary.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-03-10/bolton-talks-inclusions-and-swans
Looks like Bolton doesn't rate Jaksch much / at all........ very very big worry.
He's not injured - just playing in the VFL and form will dictate if he comes up for senior selection.
If Bolton rates KJ below Liam "1 posy match" Jones then he must be going fairly ordinary.
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-03-10/bolton-talks-inclusions-and-swans
Can't agree with that assessment sorry. Bolton didn't go anywhere near there......there may well be other issues with KJ?
Can't agree with that assessment sorry. Bolton didn't go anywhere near there......there may well be other issues with KJ?
Bolton simply said that Jaksch had to play well to earn a spot. He also said that Jaksch was able to play forward and back and that's got to be a positive.
Robbo on SEN tried to grill SOS about whether Jaksch had the right attitude to play AFL. SOS played a straight bat, as you'd expect. However, it wouldn't surprise me if there's something amiss, particularly if Jones can get a couple of games.
The Whiley + Jaksch + Boekhorst for pick (?) 7 deal is starting to look like it is covered in balls. Chuck in DVR showing 9/10ths of bugger all and it is starting to look like another stinker of a draft for us.
The Whiley + Jaksch + Boekhorst for pick (?) 7 deal is starting to look like it is covered in balls. Chuck in DVR showing 9/10ths of bugger all and it is starting to look like another stinker of a draft for us.
As someone famously said, "Malthouse's fingerprints are all over our 2014 recruiting!" ::)
Jaksch has to play ahead of Jones.....ok the former might not be going at his hardest and Jones might be training the house down but at the end of the day one can play football and the other doesnt have a clue and it will be the team and supporters who suffer...
Bolton should be playing Jaksch this week if he isnt injured IMO and getting him fired up for Rnd1 ..Jones had one possie last game didnt he?....cant justify playing that banana this week IMO...
How is Jones earning his spot?
Jaksch has to play ahead of Jones.....ok the former might not be going at his hardest and Jones might be training the house down but at the end of the day one can play football and the other doesnt have a clue and it will be the team and supporters who suffer...
Bolton should be playing Jaksch this week if he isnt injured IMO and getting him fired up for Rnd1 ..Jones had one possie last game didnt he?....cant justify playing that banana this week IMO...
How is Jones earning his spot?
EB, I can't see the "Banana" in the squad, so neither is playing tomorrow night ???
Bolton simply said that Jaksch had to play well to earn a spot. He also said that Jaksch was able to play forward and back and that's got to be a positive.
Robbo on SEN tried to grill SOS about whether Jaksch had the right attitude to play AFL. SOS played a straight bat, as you'd expect. However, it wouldn't surprise me if there's something amiss, particularly if Jones can get a couple of games.
I'm very fearful that we indeed do have an issue as far as Jaksch is concerned. If he was going OK he would be getting a game by now, not being talked of as playing VFL. SOS of course would know him pretty well - maybe a bit too well?
Jaksch has to play ahead of Jones.....ok the former might not be going at his hardest and Jones might be training the house down but at the end of the day one can play football and the other doesnt have a clue and it will be the team and supporters who suffer...
Bolton should be playing Jaksch this week if he isnt injured IMO and getting him fired up for Rnd1 ..Jones had one possie last game didnt he?....cant justify playing that banana this week IMO...
How is Jones earning his spot?
Need to set standards.
We won't win much with either of them so you make a statement with these two now surrounding what it takes to get a game at our footy club.
It's a free hit and it's important to make these statements now whilst we are a bit crap than it is to fix it later.
Bolton commented on how much Weitering would learn if he spent a bit of time on Big Buddy....... eeeeeeekkkk, no pressure young fella.
Bolton commented on how much Weitering would learn if he spent a bit of time on Big Buddy....... eeeeeeekkkk, no pressure young fella.
I liked hearing that. I wouldn't want Weitering thrown to the wolves but standing Buddy for a while, particularly in a practice match, would be a great learning experience.
If Weitering v Buddy, he'll not only learn about what he does right/not, but will learn about how steely his constitution is. I have no doubt that our players will benefit most from the greatest of challenges. I did however, squirm a little with this match up. Bring it and let's see what can be gained.
If Weitering v Buddy, he'll not only learn about what he does right/not, but will learn about how steely his constitution is. I have no doubt that our players will benefit most from the greatest of challenges. I did however, squirm a little with this match up. Bring it and let's see what can be gained.
Not sure Weiters has the leg speed to keep up with Buddy, but it's worth a go.
The bets chance for these kids is NOW under B.Bolton and his framework for success.
Jaksch, DVR, Whiley, Boekhorst, Foster, etc - their best chance to succeed is under Bolts IMHO. Some will make it and some won't. Not everyone does. But, I more confident with Bolts in charge that sk
Bolton commented on how much Weitering would learn if he spent a bit of time on Big Buddy....... eeeeeeekkkk, no pressure young fella.
I think this NAB game would be a great opportunity for Weitering to play, in a practice game effectively, on one of the best forwards around and get a taste of what is required at the top level. At worst it will tell him what he needs to achieve and I think he is mentally tough enough to learn from it rather than be crushed.
Can't agree with that assessment sorry. Bolton didn't go anywhere near there......there may well be other issues with KJ?
How many games has Kj played this preseason?
BB isn't going to openly slag him off but he's not injured and can't get a game in front of the inanimate object that is Liam Jones.
There is an issue there - even Robbo could join the dots.
It looks like his attitude is a problem.
Bolton simply said that Jaksch had to play well to earn a spot. He also said that Jaksch was able to play forward and back and that's got to be a positive.
Robbo on SEN tried to grill SOS about whether Jaksch had the right attitude to play AFL. SOS played a straight bat, as you'd expect. However, it wouldn't surprise me if there's something amiss, particularly if Jones can get a couple of games.
Bat wasn't quite straight... He said that he had been working really hard for the past two months, but had received a kick up the backside. Made comment that he still had to develop an AFL ready body.
I'd say his physical condition has been found wanting by the new regime, he is getting some tough love and is going to have to earn a spot. If you can't earn a spot in our team at the moment you are struggling.
Bat wasn't quite straight... He said that he had been working really hard for the past two months, but had received a kick up the backside. Made comment that he still had to develop an AFL ready body.
I'd say his physical condition has been found wanting by the new regime, he is getting some tough love and is going to have to earn a spot. If you can't earn a spot in our team at the moment you are struggling.
That's a concern with Jaksch going into his fourth season ::)
That's a concern with Jaksch going into his fourth season ::)
There is a tell, it tells us why he is no longer at GWS! ;)
That's a concern with Jaksch going into his fourth season ::)
While he may add some kgs over the journey, he's probably always going to have a lighter frame. He needs to show something that displays he can overcome it.
Be interesting to know SOS's honest opinion of him.........
While he may add some kgs over the journey, he's probably always going to have a lighter frame. He needs to show something that displays he can overcome it.
It was wishful thinking when Malthouse suggested that Jaksch could build up to address the fact that he is “10 kilograms lighter than what he needs to be for the position he plays”. Jaksch could be a useful marking option forward or back but I suspect that he won't be the KPP we were after. However, he needs to show that he can perform at AFL level and that seems to be a challenge. I thought he showed a bit in patches last season ???
While he may add some kgs over the journey, he's probably always going to have a lighter frame. He needs to show something that displays he can overcome it.
Fletcher always had a light frame......
Loving that the NAB Challenge games can be streamed via apple TV from the iPhone AFL Live App in ok quality. Wont work in the season proper I bet.
In the immortal words of Bullwinkle the Moose.....
"This time for sure"
Blues by 24 :D
JW looks like he has been playing AFL for 5 years.
Gibbs has no left foot or hand whatsoever. Just realised after all these years. Cant remember him ever using his left side.
Technically correct....but that's a friggin disgraceful rule against Thomas
Sam Kerridge is my new favourite player :D
We must must must must stop giving frees away and turning the footy over on our HBB. We do it too bloody much.
Just clicked on this thread and forgot there was a game on! :-[
Changed the channel over and watched Casboult walk in and kick it out on the full. Another year and nothing has changed.
Seriously....If we had forwards this wouldn't even be a contest. >:(
We have to fix this.
Goal kicking practice for Jammo this week!
Spud of the qtr goes to Callum Sinclair, he must have dropped 3 marks min, & a goal from 20m out!
OK first qtr, some nice ball movement at times. The "cants" in our side are beginning to be exposed by the "cans" with respect to disposal. The newbies, Sammy K, Matty W, JW can all use the footy well. White, Rowe and Curnow cant (although Ed kicked a nice goal with a sand wedge shot for goal). Ed makes it up with work rate I guess. Gibbs is disappointing at times.
If he can stay injury free Thomas will be a real asset for us this year.
At the game and I know it's obviously part of the new game plan but defenders are looser then ever.
Jamo leaving buddy way too much space.
Runs up the field way too often for my liking and costing us on the rebound.
Oh and Daisy is not half the player he was.
Tries hard but Rowe is not up to it.
If he's one of our key defenders were struggling.
@ Shawny It may be different than being at the ground but I think Daisy is going OK.
Tries hard but Rowe is not up to it.
If he's one of our key defenders were struggling.
We have to get him out of our side. He is killing us.
And replace Rowe with who?
If Casboult's our key forward it's going to be a long year ::)
And replace Rowe with who?
Jones would just about be a better option and that's saying something ::)
Kerridge.....we've got a player :D
And replace Rowe with who?
Me, you, anyone.
Sorry Lods rather play a goal post than Jones , think what it's like in outr defence hottest spot in town these days , Jamo is looking very suspect as well, no real support around
BB said look for sprouts. Ill give you 3
Sammy K
Boeky
JW
Very impressive
Hugh Goddard is one I would have looked at two years ago.
Certainly some bright spots about , Kerridge looks at home, liking Graham more & more, Boek as well
Sorry Lods rather play a goal post than Jones , think what it's like in outr defence hottest spot in town these days , Jamo is looking very suspect as well, no real support around
If Jones has a future with us (which is doubtful) it will be as a defender not as a forward.
Rowe has reached his potential and it falls short.
(BTW are you still in the polo shirt business Rob? My hadley /Yarran shirt is obsolete) :D
BB said look for sprouts. Ill give you 3
Sammy K
Boeky
JW
Very impressive
Yep like all those 3 but geez out tall defenders look lost. Seems to be playing a game style of guarding space rather then playing tight againsy there forward. Any turnover or fast break and means easy no contest goals. Early days maybe it's will work. Maybe.
Gibbs and daisy just going thru the motions.
Cripps could be better then Judd. Yep only practice match but this kid is on a different level.
5 goals in a half is better than the previous 2 weeks.
Still not tight enough with our team defense. Still not sticking a lot of tackles and we're losing a lot of 1 on 1 battles.
Weitering, Kerridge, Graham & Boekhurst are the 1's we can get excited about going forward.
However scrappy it is, it's still 13 scoring shots apiece at half time. It's not as if we've had no chances.
Cripps has a lazy 17 touches which you would hardly notice.
The kid is quality ;)
Yep like all those 3 but geez out tall defenders look lost. Seems to be playing a game style of guarding space rather then playing tight againsy there forward. Any turnover or fast break and means easy no contest goals. Early days maybe it's will work. Maybe.
Requires the defenders to work as a unit 100% in sync and trusting one another, will take time although Rowe is just all at sea.
Gibbs and daisy just going thru the motions.
Daisy not to bad, Gibbs is a real worry.
Cripps could be better then Judd. Yep only practice match but this kid is on a different level.
This boy and JW will be the envy of the competition make no mistake.
If Jones has a future with us (which is doubtful) it will be as a defender not as a forward.
Rowe has reached his potential and it falls short.
(BTW are you still in the polo shirt business Rob? My hadley /Yarran shirt is obsolete) :D
It's sad days alright , but still not a Jones fan. Yes in the merchandise business, started my own company Blue Shark Merchandising, ;)
We're two quality forwards from being a final eight side. ;)
And a special mention to that bloke who wears no. 8, whats his name?
We're two quality forwards from being a final eight side. ;)
One big smart one who can kick straight, one small smart one who can kick.
Well we will have to trade/draft them because they are not at our club now unfortunately
It's sad days alright , but still not a Jones fan. Yes in the merchandise business, started my own company Blue Shark Merchandising, ;)
Let's talk about a polo run soon.
What we need to do is not tie it to just one or two seasons but a shirt that will last the test of time.
We wont tie it to individual players but rather the club or the site.
The ones we got last time were quality and are still going strong. ;)
Sure no probs can organise , I was wearing mine only recently , remember looking at the names on them and think " what ever happened here"?
Nice goal, but hard work to create the chances. Is Everitt even playing? Can't remember seeing him yet?
Boekhurst has put on some muscle... looks more AFL ready.
Sure no probs can organise , I was wearing mine only recently , remember looking at the names on them and think " what ever happened here"?
I'd be interested in at least two....I'll talk to you by PM this week. ;)
No probs there are some nice items about these days.
Took wrong membership card to the ground, not payin $20 bucks...night spoilt...DOOOHHH >:( >:( >:(
Oh for a forward who can be a focal point
And a special mention to that bloke who wears no. 8, whats his name?
Trevor Keogh
Pls tell me cripps is not injured. Went off after his goal and hasn't returned. Is in the huddle but without shoes. I'm worried!! ????
By the looks of thing Walker and Cripps played the first half and Whiley and Everitt the second
Big Lance?
Love the big Lance could use a leader up forward these days
How frustrating is it when we continually find a way through half forward , and there is no one in the forward 50? Seriously, the idea is to kick goals , hard when there is no one there
Oh for a forward who can be a focal point
Casboult goes best when he's both forward and 2nd ruck. Running around the ground clunking marks increases his confidence. It's then he often kicks goals when he's forward. Always plays his best footy in that role. Often when he's just simply stuck forward he's no-where near as good or even $hit like tonight. Not a star as a forward alone, nor as a ruck alone, but in the dual role he's valuable in the combined roles. We leave him simply forward all year and we won't see the best of him. Plus he's going to get the no.1 defender this year for the first time if he plays just as forward all year so he needs the dual roles.
Such is life
Nice goal, but hard work to create the chances. Is Everitt even playing? Can't remember seeing him yet?
Unfortunately, yes. His dropped sitter in their goal square took the wind out of our sails.
Might be the year for honourable losses.
I hope the team develops enough "true grit" to push through things like the Everitt dropped mark.
Going to be a long year with no forward line and going to get very frustrating watching the ball rebound out after our mids have worked so hard...thought Graham took another step forward tonight to becoming a very good player.
Boekhorst played his best game so far for the club and Weitering looks like a 300 game player.....
Kerridge looks like a steal and could be our leading goalkicker the way things are looking....its a pity Foster hasnt shown anything as we need a leading FF who can give us
some structure down forward....
Not a bad effort though tonight and at least we were not blown away and hung on when it looked like we were going to get hammered...
Can't stand the way we still rush kicks when there's absolutely no need and they end up going straight to opposition players.
For god's sake show a bit of composure. Not sure how BB is gonna slap that habit out of the usual suspects.
Not a bad effort tonight and probably a fairly true reflection of where we'll be this season.
Key forwards are gold, Sydney and most of the other good sides have a couple and we have none.
Docherty was very good, Boekhurst seems to be finding his feet, Lamb looked OK in patches, Thomas went hard and never gave up, Graham was busy and Cripps looks to be at or above last season's level.
Still too many scrubbers though.
Cripps - He's a monster. Ability to get the handball out under pressure is awesome.
JW - has he been playing AFL for the last five years, because it looks like he has
Boekhorst - Best game I've seen him play. Put in four quarters
Nicky G - MM was going to get rid of him. Has gone to the next level.
Kerridge - At the moment we got the better of the Menzel / Kerridge deal.
Thomas - tried hard all night. Can't kick.
Buckley - Looks great. A key player for us.
White - Remains a tried and true Northern Blue.
Rowe - he was OK in the second half but if we had anyone else...
Gorringe - no, doesn't have it.
Phillips - needs to get more of the ball around the ground but he will be 2nd ruck
Krooz - I hope and pray he is injury free
Bolt - needs to do more when he's not clunking them. His body worked dropped off as well
Wright - smart footballer, good pick up
Simo - nothing special. Did his thing.
Gibbs - did the bare minimum.
Curnow - one of the best taggers in the league.
Jamison - happy with his effort
2E - apart from a couple of errors was good
Whiley - takes too long to make decisions.
Everitt - awful
Walker - very rusty.
Lamb - tried hard, had his moments. Would play him Round 1.
From where I was sitting Thomas looked cooked - and no wonder with the bake he got from a bloke sitting in front of me. He did show glimpses but he's a shadow of the player he was. Jamison is not far behind him.
Phillips showed a bit more but Gorringe did very little. I don't think we can persevere with him.
It was a reasonably entertaining game and we certainly matched it with the Swans for long periods. I thought that their poise and execution more than compensated for our harder tackling and ability to retain possession.
Weitering is going to be a star. Boekhorst and Graham are really coming on and Kerridge is a great pick up.
I reckon we'll give Richmond a real contest.
Cripps - He's a monster. Ability to get the handball out under pressure is awesome.
JW - has he been playing AFL for the last five years, because it looks like he has
Boekhorst - Best game I've seen him play. Put in four quarters
Nicky G - MM was going to get rid of him. Has gone to the next level.
Kerridge - At the moment we got the better of the Menzel / Kerridge deal.
Thomas - tried hard all night. Can't kick.
Buckley - Looks great. A key player for us.
White - Remains a tried and true Northern Blue.
Rowe - he was OK in the second half but if we had anyone else...
Gorringe - no, doesn't have it.
Phillips - needs to get more of the ball around the ground but he will be 2nd ruck
Krooz - I hope and pray he is injury free
Bolt - needs to do more when he's not clunking them. His body worked dropped off as well
Wright - smart footballer, good pick up
Simo - nothing special. Did his thing.
Gibbs - did the bare minimum.
Curnow - one of the best taggers in the league.
Jamison - happy with his effort
2E - apart from a couple of errors was good
Whiley - takes too long to make decisions.
Everitt - awful
Walker - very rusty.
Lamb - tried hard, had his moments. Would play him Round 1.
Most of it was spot how I saw it but:
Lamb was awful
Gibbs was awful, Im concerned.
2E was ok carrying the footy and kicking, was terrible defending.
Rowe apart from a couple of nice spoils in the second half was terrible.
Levi looked like he was not confident at all.
BB was BOG for us.
As I said during the game, we give away too many frees and turn the ball over too much on our HB line which result in too mangy goals.
We seriously lack fwds who can kick straight.
But overall, the sprouts as BB calls them are there.
Just got back from the game... tiny crowd!
When we finally started playing half way through the second quarter, the pressure we were applying was palpable. We won the game from that point but gee some silly mistakes cost us.
I really thought we only had 3 duds for the night - Casboult, Everitt and Walker. Walks will be better for the hit out. Put 2 'real' tall forwards into our side and a lot would change pretty quickly. Can't see Whiley making it. Best I've seen from Curnow, has added another dimension to his game.
Loved Kerridge and Cripps. Patch there in the 3rd qtr where Weitering and Franklin were pitted against each on three successive occasions, 23 won all three contests. He's beginning to remind me of a bigger Bruce Doull.
Going to be a long year with no forward line and going to get very frustrating watching the ball rebound out after our mids have worked so hard...thought Graham took another step forward tonight to becoming a very good player.
Boekhorst played his best game so far for the club and Weitering looks like a 300 game player.....
Kerridge looks like a steal and could be our leading goalkicker the way things are looking....its a pity Foster hasnt shown anything as we need a leading FF who can give us
some structure down forward....
Not a bad effort though tonight and at least we were not blown away and hung on when it looked like we were going to get hammered...
Good summary EB. We have the basis to build on going forward and we should get better this year as our guys get used to the new game plan and structures. We definitely are showing more of an idea with our approach but skills still let us down at key times.
The forward structure, as we already knew, is the biggest problem and we have just got to find a better approach for this year with those we have on our list. It has got to be a first priority in terms of recruiting going forward. Levi was a bit disappointing tonight IMO and 1AW definitely looked rusty. Very encouraging game from Boekhorst IMO, but Daisy is definitely struggling despite the effort he put in tonight. Weitering looks like becoming an absolute beauty!
We look like we have turned the corner and hopefully we can win a few games this year but definitely have a long road ahead of us. As one of the commentators said though, the club will be ruthless with those that don't demonstrate the required level of progress and adaptation to the required playing style.
We look like we have turned the corner and hopefully we can win a few games this year but definitely have a long road ahead of us. As one of the commentators said though, the club will be ruthless with those that don't demonstrate the required level of progress and adaptation to the required playing style.
I'd be surprised if we don't turn over at least a dozen players at the end of this season.
I'd be surprised if we don't turn over at least a dozen players at the end of this season.
Would not be surprised at a largish number either B4L but some of the names could well surprise. ;)
Matt Wright has earned a round spot IMO...tackles well for a smaller player and like Kerridge seems to know what to do with the football...
Gorringe vs Philips......like watching two heavyweight boxers stagger around a ring and not lay a glove on each other...wasnt impressed with either.
Philips probably has more idea about rucking but neither impressed me when down forward...the AFL website said they were both competitive??..didnt agree..
Jed Lamb...dropped marks and was generally hopeless IMO and I expected more from him vs one of his old teams...
Daisy...give him his due he tried hard and did a lot of work at the coalface and seems to lay a few tackles...still cant kick over a jam jar but he had a go...
Sam Rowe...a few grunt moments where he made some spoils but seems out of touch....if he gets Vickery or Griffths in Rnd 1 he might be leaking some goals...
Everitt...nada..
From where I was sitting Thomas looked cooked - and no wonder with the bake he got from a bloke sitting in front of me. He did show glimpses but he's a shadow of the player he was. Jamison is not far behind him.
Phillips showed a bit more but Gorringe did very little. I don't think we can persevere with him.
It was a reasonably entertaining game and we certainly matched it with the Swans for long periods. I thought that their poise and execution more than compensated for our harder tackling and ability to retain possession.
Weitering is going to be a star. Boekhorst and Graham are really coming on and Kerridge is a great pick up.
I reckon we'll give Richmond a real contest.
lOT OF BIG CALLS BEING MADE AFTER 3 scratch matches.
Murph in, Gibbs and Walker perform.....Plowman in......
Everitt gets a roasting and starts trying - we win that game?
Control the middle you inevitably win.
Tonight showed we can match it (and more) with the Swans in the middle...
I reckon BB is a happy man tonight.
I thought lamb was ok.
Maybe I had lower expectations.
The good thing about tonight's performance was it was the kids/ newbies in Graham, Cripps, Kerridge and Boekhorst who were our better players.
In the past, its been all about Judd, Murphy and Gibbs having to do well to jeep us in the contest.
Kruez looks like he's picked up where he left off at the end of last year.
Weitering looks like a gem of a #1 Pick
I think Levi will never be anything more than an average trier. Now into his 7th season on our list, and still has issues with his kicking.
Rowe and Everitt wont be around by 2018.
The good thing about tonight's performance was it was the kids/ newbies in Graham, Cripps, Kerridge and Boekhorst who were our better players.
In the past, its been all about Judd, Murphy and Gibbs having to do well to jeep us in the contest.
Kruez looks like he's picked up where he left off at the end of last year.
Weitering looks like a gem of a #1 Pick
I think Levi will never be anything more than an average trier. Now into his 7th season on our list, and still has issues with his kicking.
Rowe and Everitt wont be around by 2018.
judge these blokes after 4-6 rounds not after pre season drivel.
if everitt kicks 30 odd for the season, he's earnt his pay?
Kerridge, Boek and Cripps were fantastic. worked their butts off. What a pickup Kerridge is... and Menzel can't get a game for the Crows.
Graham was really good but made a couple of massive mistakes. Curnow had a much better game.
Kreuz had a shocker - fumbled everything, didn't take a mark. Very out of character. Hopefully just blowing out some cobwebs.
We desperately need either C Curnow, Jaksch or eventually McKay to play in the forward line. Gorringe plus a resting ruckman aint filling the opposition with fear.
I don't see anything in Gorringe so far and I'd still rate Wood a better player than Phillips.
Seriously happy about Wright also. What a solid, hard-working, strong-tackling player. Wish we could clone him. Cripps likewise.
The midfield will basically be Murphy and Cripps providing class, Curnow stopping and Graham the in and under, none of which is any improvement on Murphy/Judd, Curnow and Carratts and we're missing Tommy Bell's attack and goal kicking nous.
The back half is OK, Rowe and White are battlers at best but Jamison, Tuohy and Docherty can hold their own with most and Weitering looks to be something special.
The front half is woeful, Casboult is a very limited footballer, Everitt is Sydney or the bush and we don't have even the semblance of a classy small forward.
It's going to be a long road and it will be 5 years at least.
Not a bad result for a club that is being tested and found seriously short of the standards required of modern league football. The skill difference was astounding at times, but there were some good performances from Boekhorst, weitering and kerridge. Good signs.
We are certainly playing a more modern style with much more coordination across half back, dare I say 'structure'. Our forward line is going to be a battle this year mainly because the skills for clean delivery are not up to scratch, and we dont have forwards that can play the modern style of constant coordinated movement. Its going to need our midfield to step up as goal kickers, so the likes of gibbs and thomas will drift forward quite a bit over the season to provide options for overlap 40 metres out or so.
Still, we had no injuries, the key players got a run and we looked coherent, especially in the third quarter.
Patch there in the 3rd qtr where Weitering and Franklin were pitted against each on three successive occasions, 23 won all three contests. He's beginning to remind me of a bigger Bruce Doull.
I see what you did there ;)
So I've compiled a list of comments from this thread alone that I just know are going to be trolled out ad nauseum this year which will drive me bananas.
Maybe not Groundhog Day exactly, but these issues have plagued us for 10 years now:
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- Might be the year for honourable losses.
- I thought that their poise and execution more than compensated for our harder tackling and ability to retain possession.
- We give away too many frees and turn the ball over too much on our HB line which result in too many goals.
- We seriously lack fwds who can kick straight.
- When we finally started playing half way through the second quarter ...
- We won the game from that point but gee some silly mistakes cost us.
- ... skills still let us down at key times.
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And I can predict a few of my own:
- [Opposition] snapped an x game losing streak with an unexpected but hard fought win over a disappointing Carlton
- [Opposition] basically shut the gate when they scored x goals in a row with very little resistance from the Blues {usually in 2nd & 3rd qtrs}
- It was a game Carlton were expecting to win after impressive performances in the previous [2-4] games
- A fundamental error from [experienced player] cost the Blues dearly
- etc
Being a realist I know I can't expect NOT to read this sort of thing from time to time. But if it could just be more limited than it has been in the past. Please god, PLEASE.
Game plan looks really good so far.
Looks a bit like Ken Hinkley. Lots of centering up into the middle. Dangerous and is clearly taking time but promising.
once the team settles and BB works out what our best team is we'll see what we've got.
Matt Wright has earned a round spot IMO...tackles well for a smaller player and like Kerridge seems to know what to do with the football...
Gorringe vs Philips......like watching two heavyweight boxers stagger around a ring and not lay a glove on each other...wasnt impressed with either.
Philips probably has more idea about rucking but neither impressed me when down forward...the AFL website said they were both competitive??..didnt agree..
Jed Lamb...dropped marks and was generally hopeless IMO and I expected more from him vs one of his old teams...
Daisy...give him his due he tried hard and did a lot of work at the coalface and seems to lay a few tackles...still cant kick over a jam jar but he had a go...
Sam Rowe...a few grunt moments where he made some spoils but seems out of touch....if he gets Vickery or Griffths in Rnd 1 he might be leaking some goals...
Everitt...nada..
Wood's better than both those rucks but even then I'd have Levi rucking (also alot better than or other two new blokes on the ball) with Kreuzer so he's not stuck in the forward line all game, especially now that he'll attract all the opposition defenders. Running about taking marks gives him confidence when he goes back forward. Hopefully Jaksch does ok, sure he will eventually, but he must be sick or injured as we haven't seen him all pre-season. Like to see he and McKay as the future of the forward line.
Daisy seems like he'll never get that kicking power back. He'll do pretty well and certainly valuable but nothing like his Pies days.
Hopefully Lamb does better but even if only one or two of the GWS four work out it's a win.
Rowe's just a gap filler until Weitering fills the CHB spot full time
Everitt still has a few brownie points from last year's good work so hoping the real season gets him going.
Pretty fair summary Jim.
Desperately short in the forward line once you factor in the resting ruckman and Gorringe as useless.
Jaksch is potentially the most important player on our list (structurally) which makes it a big concern that he's so out of favour.
FF Lamb / Walker / Jaksch
HF Everitt / Casboult / Wright
I think that's our best forward line for the season but we're replacing Jaksch / Everitt with Phillips / Gorringe. Pretty depressing first 3 weeks ahead while Bolton figures this out.
Wood's better than both those rucks............
They're both young and can improve, we and the rest of the football world know what Wood's capable of and it's not much.
We're setting up a team for five years from now, playing Wood would be a backwards step in my opinion.
Casboult isn't the answer either, he's neither a good forward nor a decent ruckman and his field kicking is terrible, we need to recruit or rookie another young ruckman at the end of this season and keep persevering until we find someone capable of supporting Kreuzer.
lOT OF BIG CALLS BEING MADE AFTER 3 scratch matches.
Yep
Silly stuff is over.
If our senior players didn't just use that as a "track gallop" they'd also be silly.
The intensity will shoot up considerably when the real stuff starts and we'll see whether the "March stars" are up to it.
At the same time the 'veterans' will also lift considerably....then we can make some sound assessments.
Desperately short in the forward line once you factor in the resting ruckman and Gorringe as useless.
Jaksch is potentially the most important player on our list (structurally) which makes it a big concern that he's so out of favour.
FF Lamb / Walker / Jaksch
HF Everitt / Casboult / Wright
I think that's our best forward line for the season but we're replacing Jaksch / Everitt with Phillips / Gorringe. Pretty depressing first 3 weeks ahead while Bolton figures this out.
If Bolts doesn't want to play Cas as ruck / forward (as Jim suggests) then he should play as true FF in the goal square. He's not quite CHF material IMO.
They're both young and can improve, we and the rest of the football world know what Wood's capable of and it's not much.
We're setting up a team for five years from now, playing Wood would be a backwards step in my opinion.
Casboult isn't the answer either, he's neither a good forward nor a decent ruckman and his field kicking is terrible, we need to recruit or rookie another young ruckman at the end of this season and keep persevering until we find someone capable of supporting Kreuzer.
Prefer Wood many times over than the other two. Held up our rucks nicely last year.
Casboult showed last year he was decent enough to fill a role. Kicked goals and rucked ok. Not a star at all in either role but decent and as a combined role he is valuable. marking around the ground is certainly a strength even if he's not as good in the tap ruck department as the others. Hence he got quite a bit of interest last year. Just not sure playing him full time forward as it seems to get bogged down and it saps his confidence. A run on the ball tends to change that in both roles.
If Bolts doesn't want to play Cas as ruck / forward (as Jim suggests) then he should play as true FF in the goal square. He's not quite CHF material IMO.
CHF mightn't be too bad actually if it comes to a choice between FF and CHF. Gets a chance to run around more. When he does that he takes marks. Doesn't do that at FF. Prefer the combined ruck and forward role though. Means we don't have to play Phillips or Gorringe.
Desperately short in the forward line once you factor in the resting ruckman and Gorringe as useless.
Jaksch is potentially the most important player on our list (structurally) which makes it a big concern that he's so out of favour.
FF Lamb / Walker / Jaksch
HF Everitt / Casboult / Wright
I think that's our best forward line for the season but we're replacing Jaksch / Everitt with Phillips / Gorringe. Pretty depressing first 3 weeks ahead while Bolton figures this out.
It was mentioned on BF that Jaksch was recently hospitalised as he was ill and lost a bit of weight/conditioning. Might explain his absence from the squad if true. Is playing forward in the VFL today.
CHF mightn't be too bad actually if it comes to a choice between FF and CHF. Gets a chance to run around more. When he does that he takes marks. Doesn't do that at FF. Prefer the combined ruck and forward role though. Means we don't have to play Phillips or Gorringe.
Fair enough. My reasoning has to do with a couple of factors :
1. If he is closer to goal, it increases the chance of him kicking goals, which is a confidence booster for him and a morale booster for the team. He has no trouble clunking marks - it's what happens after that is the problem. Having him at FF would also save some gas, which is no bad thing with the new reduced rotations.
2. I also think it plays into opposition hands to have him further from goal. Clearly the rest of the comp know he is an elite mark, so I reckon they'd be less worried if he was clunking them 50 out rather than 20 out. I know if I was the opposition coach, I wouldn't want Cas playing at FF. If he gets double or triple teamed, it creates problems for the defense and chances for our other forwards.
My 2cents.
Yep
Silly stuff is over.
If our senior players didn't just use that as a "track gallop" they'd also be silly.
The intensity will shoot up considerably when the real stuff starts and we'll see whether the "March stars" are up to it.
At the same time the 'veterans' will also lift considerably....then we can make some sound assessments.
I don't know... as far as preseason games go that was pretty intense. That was Sydney's best available team and they played full minutes to all their good players.
Fair enough. My reasoning has to do with a couple of factors :
1. If he is closer to goal, it increases the chance of him kicking goals, which is a confidence booster for him and a morale booster for the team. He has no trouble clunking marks - it's what happens after that is the problem. Having him at FF would also save some gas, which is no bad thing with the new reduced rotations.
2. I also think it plays into opposition hands to have him further from goal. Clearly the rest of the comp know he is an elite mark, so I reckon they'd be less worried if he was clunking them 50 out rather than 20 out. I know if I was the opposition coach, I wouldn't want Cas playing at FF. If he gets double or triple teamed, it creates problems for the defense and chances for our other forwards.
My 2cents.
No such thing as FF / CHF these days really. They all just roam around the ground.
Nobody seemed to be able to take a contested mark last night. Casboult missed a truckload that he'd normally clunk.
Hopefully he saved all his good play for the tiges.
True enough - if that's the case, then hopefully the end of his roaming will be about 20m from goal, with a set shot to come............
Cripps 24 pos 16 contested. 9 clearances 4 tackles
He only played 53% of the game.
ridiculous how good this guy is.
No such thing as FF / CHF these days really. They all just roam around the ground.
Nobody seemed to be able to take a contested mark last night. Casboult missed a truckload that he'd normally clunk.
Hopefully he saved all his good play for the tiges.
Key forwards have to present as a marking target when the ball is coming out of defence. How often did a key forward stay inside the forward 50 when the ball was at the opposite end of the ground?
Marking was quite ordinary with players from both sides seemed to misjudge the flight of the ball ??? There were some exceptions, Rowe and Weitering for example. Phillips judged the flight perfectly on one occasion but his hands were so hard that there was a resounding clap and the ball flew metres away. It was like he had decided to do a double handed palm out :o
I thought that the Swans did well to stop Casboult getting a run at the ball and he was forced into contests against two opponents. Having another genuine marking target would make his life a lot easier.
Cripps 24 pos 16 contested. 9 clearances 4 tackles
He only played 53% of the game.
ridiculous how good this guy is.
Are those figures correct ? Crikey that's impressive. He played basically 2 quarters, against a hardened, premiership midfield going full tilt, and averaging out his figures, per quarter he had 12 possies (8 contested), 4 clearances and 2 tackles. Golly.
Actually, that tackle count is pretty low. Sack him.
Fair enough. My reasoning has to do with a couple of factors :
1. If he is closer to goal, it increases the chance of him kicking goals, which is a confidence booster for him and a morale booster for the team. He has no trouble clunking marks - it's what happens after that is the problem. Having him at FF would also save some gas, which is no bad thing with the new reduced rotations.
2. I also think it plays into opposition hands to have him further from goal. Clearly the rest of the comp know he is an elite mark, so I reckon they'd be less worried if he was clunking them 50 out rather than 20 out. I know if I was the opposition coach, I wouldn't want Cas playing at FF. If he gets double or triple teamed, it creates problems for the defense and chances for our other forwards.
My 2cents.
Casboult will always get the double team until we get another decent marking target who can drag some heat of the Boult and leave him one out....reckon we need a leading FF who can work up the ground more and suck opposing players up the ground..Jaksch or Foster would be the ones I would try....
Casboult will always get the double team until we get another decent marking target who can drag some heat of the Boult and leave him one out....reckon we need a leading FF who can work up the ground more and suck opposing players up the ground..Jaksch or Foster would be the ones I would try....
Where's the "Bring Back Fev" thread ?
Are those figures correct ?
I think so. ..
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/nab-challenge/2016/1/carl-v-syd
Go to the stats tab then Advanced stats.
I think so. ..
http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/nab-challenge/2016/1/carl-v-syd
Go to the stats tab then Advanced stats.
My question was rhetorical. I knew they were right.
I noticed he had 1 clanger and 4 frees against. Hack.
Prefer Wood many times over than the other two. Held up our rucks nicely last year.
Casboult showed last year he was decent enough to fill a role. Kicked goals and rucked ok. Not a star at all in either role but decent and as a combined role he is valuable. marking around the ground is certainly a strength even if he's not as good in the tap ruck department as the others. Hence he got quite a bit of interest last year. Just not sure playing him full time forward as it seems to get bogged down and it saps his confidence. A run on the ball tends to change that in both roles.
I can't see Casboult as either a key forward or pinch hit ruckman who kicks a few goals in a top class finals team, and that's what we should be aiming at being.
As of today he's as good as anything else we've got, which isn't saying much at all.
We've accepted mediocrity for far too long.
Cas was below his normal standards clunking-wise last night. But still contributed really well and brought the ball down in front of the pack time and again.... didn't have a front and centre crumber all night.
Nicky G and Boeky are CLEARLY the two that look to have come on a little over the break. Boeky has some freakish ability, looks every bit a player.
Cas was below his normal standards clunking-wise last night. But still contributed really well and brought the ball down in front of the pack time and again.... didn't have a front and centre crumber all night.
The Swans did a good job of whacking his arms and stopping his run at the ball but he was still a good contributor. Given that he had an interrupted pre-season, his tank was pretty good and better than I expected. He cleaned up one of the Swans too.
I don't remember Whiley getting caught with the ball last night, that has to be a plus !!
Lamb was trying hard, still hasn't shown a great deal, but worth persisting with atm imo.
Rowe needs to snap out of this streak of poor form, he has shown a lot better in the past, here's hoping he can find similar form again in the future, and quickly.
Gibbs didn't look all that interested last night, I'm hoping he was just in 'pre-season' mode.
Phillips is way ahead of Gorringe as a ruckman, Gorringe did a couple of nice things, but not nearly enough. Hopefully Phillips will start sticking some marks soon.
Our forward structure looked next to non existent, that's a coaching issue, I rarely saw a player on the lead. A stagnant forward line is much easier to defend.
Cripps looks as though he is ready to continue on from last year. Graham is looking good, Boeky has stepped it up from last year, Kerridge is a beast, Wright showed a bit, Walker looked rusty.
Weitering is all class, he just needs a quality partner in crime down back for the next 10 years to support him.
All in all, it's good to see a game plan that when fully implemented will challenge any team. There are definitely sprouts and shoots showing, how quickly they will reach full maturity, we will just have to wait and see !!
Go Blues !!
Weitering is all class, he just needs a quality partner in crime down back for the next 10 years to support him.
I think the Jesse Glass McCasker kid is a better than even chance of becoming a real player.
Big athletic unit too - comparisons to Rance. Biger than Rance!
Don't forget Lachie Plowman - 200 game gun player (AA selection blah blah) for the mighty Blues.
Nicky G and Boeky are CLEARLY the two that look to have come on a little over the break. Boeky has some freakish ability, looks every bit a player.
Agreed along with Kerridge and I was pissed at both those trades.
I'm not sure why there's not more love for Rowe ??? I thought that he was clearly our most important defender last night and his solid work allowed Weitering to play a more attacking role.
I'm more concerned about Jamison's form; he seemed all at sea when trying to stand Buddy.
Agreed, Rowe gets a raw deal.
Can a full replay be found anywhere?
Can a full replay be found anywhere?
just reminded me to watch that on my phone.
Can a full replay be found anywhere?
You should be able to watch it via the Telstra AFL app.
Stunned that a bloke as experienced as Jammo keeps getting caught so badly out of position.
I can't see Casboult as either a key forward or pinch hit ruckman who kicks a few goals in a top class finals team, and that's what we should be aiming at being.
As of today he's as good as anything else we've got, which isn't saying much at all.
We've accepted mediocrity for far too long.
Rucking improved alot last year and took more marks rucking than the others put together. Not so great in the tap department but mark well around the ground. I'm happy to lose`a few tap out for that.
Only played one final at AFL level on that awful wet night in Sydney but at VFL level he used to lift 2-3 levels come finals time and play way better than he did during the home and away season. He did average 1.5 goals a game last year playing only half his season from the goalsquare. The 2nd half of the year he averaged 2. Genuine 2nd ruck first half of the year, FF and pinch hit 2nd ruck the 2nd half. That's valuable, which you can't argue with, especially in a awful side that struggled to kick 10 goal in a game. Other sides saw his value. He's not a great player but decent enough for someone we plucked off a rookie list.
Personally i'd like us to have 2 key forwards with Casboult playing full time 2nd ruck but that's not possible. Better than any of our other 2nd ruckmen, who, maybe with the exception of Wood, aren't very good. Nice to have a resting ruck would can mark around the ground, take a mark forward and hit the scoreboard.
Just think though he'll struggle as a full time FF. Being our no.1 forward now he'll attract the best defender and every other defender as well. He's not that good to cope with that. Hence why I think he needs the dual role for his confidence to get the best out of him.
Nicky G and Boeky are CLEARLY the two that look to have come on a little over the break. Boeky has some freakish ability, looks every bit a player.
Everytime i see Boeky get the pill i do a double take because he looks like Menzel, even has the '2' on his back from the right angles. (where you can't see the '1').
Both have that same haircut and both are smooth movers.
Happy with the 1 we've kept.
I'm not sure why there's not more love for Rowe ??? I thought that he was clearly our most important defender last night and his solid work allowed Weitering to play a more attacking role.
I'm more concerned about Jamison's form; he seemed all at sea when trying to stand Buddy.
Rowe was, is, and always will be an absolute no talent hack who would not get a game in any of the other 17 AFL teams. He is slow, cannot take a contested mark, never has a second effort, panicks under pressure, and totally lacks any ability and a football brain. Weitering who hasn't played an official 4 point earning AFL game yet, is 10 classes above him.
I don't care who we put in the back line to replace him, as long as he isn't there.
We have other spuds playing for the club, but he is far and away the worst.
Went through hell and deserves all praise for the courage that he displayed overcoming his illness. None of that qualifies him to get a game with Carlton or any other side, for that matter.
And it's time for the few on here left that support him, to wake up to that fact.
Rowe was, is, and always will be an absolute no talent hack who would not get a game in any of the other 17 AFL teams. He is slow, cannot take a contested mark, never has a second effort, panicks under pressure, and totally lacks any ability and a football brain. Weitering who hasn't played an official 4 point earning AFL game yet, is 10 classes above him.
I don't care who we put in the back line to replace him, as long as he isn't there.
We have other spuds playing for the club, but he is far and away the worst.
Went through hell and deserves all praise for the courage that he displayed overcoming his illness. None of that qualifies him to get a game with Carlton or any other side, for that matter.
And it's time for the few on here left that support him, to wake up to that fact.
Did you watch Friday's game?
Anyway, Rowe is clearly rated by Bolton and that's all that really matters :)
Stunned that a bloke as experienced as Jammo keeps getting caught so badly out of position.
Commentators were saying that we are trying to implement some form of zone defence and that we are pressing forward out of defence a lot more. We obviously haven't got it down pat yet.
Casboult has all the potential and not one ounce of dog, he needs to learn to want to hurt opposition or he will go nowhere. What was that thing Graham stated, "I need to be brutal!"
For the likes of Levi, Rowe, Jamison and Everitt the clock is ticking, there is no place in AFL for nice guys! :o
They all need a bit less David Hille and little more Luke Hodge! ;)
Agreed, Rowe gets a raw deal.
Rowe is arguably the worst player on any AFL list right now, who is getting a regular game. He is beyond terrible....cannot mark to save himself, is a panic merchant, horrible decision maker with the ball in his hands, the list goes on......deadset spud, who should be the 2nd one shown the door come year's end (Liam Jones being the first). The only advantage he brings to the team....as others have said, is that he takes the pressure off Weitering for the time being. Jamo.....FMD, Weitering's already better than those 2 clowns.
Is there any other team in the AFL who plays Buddy as badly as we do??? This guy's eyes must light up when he see us as his next opponent, as we are absolutely (and always have been) totally clueless on how to negate him in any way.
We are so far ahead on the Kerridge/Menzel trade, that it's becoming quite embarrassing for the Crows & with Wright it also looks like we'll benefit from having him in the team.
Our forward line is a complete & utter mess.....high bombs to Casboult isn't gonna cut it.....ever.
Love Matty Kreuzer.....just love him, but on the other end of the scale - wtf is going on with Everitt??? I just hope he & the likes of Gibbs need the fair dinkum stuff to really get going or else we've got two major problems right there.
We can't even compare Boekhorst to the player he was this time last year......would be runner-up to Kerridge in the pre-season B&F (if such an award existed). Hoping it turns into a massive year for him.
Good signs all round, but the usual problems still remain: disposal & shooting for goal *sigh*......
Did you watch Friday's game?
Anyway, Rowe is clearly rated by Bolton and that's all that really matters :)
Yes, I watched it. He's a no talent hack. The only time he takes a mark, and it's hold your breath when he goes for it, is when he's on his own without an opponent being within 20 metres of him.
And you can completely forget about him being able to read the play. Compare him and Weitering, and it's no contest.
Just accept that he's a liability being on the ground, and the next time he stuffs up, which will be against Richmond, you won't want to throw a brick at the TV screen in frustration.
From conversations that I have had with people at the club, they are fully aware that he's a spud.
If you can provide me with evidence where Bolton has publicly even mentioned Rowe once and that he "rates" him, I will defer to your knowledge on this subject.
People read too much into the pre-season.
Defenders have nothing to gain, mids have everything to lose, and forwards should display hunger at all times.
I never known a forward worth half a piece of dog crape to give up the opportunity for a cheap goal, most serious achievers would walk over their dying grandmother for a shot at goal. If you see a forward taking short steps in pre-season trade them on, they will always let you down. Their hunger is always the next shot!
Defenders live on desperation, but there is nothing to be desperate about in the NAB Cup. Watch out for the guys who get there and stop at 90%, they have already done the hard work, they know what needs to come next. Avoid the guys who look lost or who bust a gut and lose!
Mids need to tune up their skills and systems, but they risk the same collision injuries in pre-season that they are likely to get in the big dance. Smart mids manage their way through pre-season, they win or draw contests without putting it all on the line. The guys that lose contest after contest are losers, but don't confuse drawing with losing.
Yes, I watched it. He's a no talent hack. The only time he takes a mark, and it's hold your breath when he goes for it, is when he's on his own without an opponent being within 20 metres of him.
And you can completely forget about him being able to read the play. Compare him and Weitering, and it's no contest.
Just accept that he's a liability being on the ground, and the next time he stuffs up, which will be against Richmond, you won't want to throw a brick at the TV screen in frustration.
From conversations that I have had with people at the club, they are fully aware that he's a spud.
If you can provide me with evidence where Bolton has publicly even mentioned Rowe once and that he "rates" him, I will defer to your knowledge on this subject.
I was at the game and we would have had another ten goal flogging if Rowe wasn't on the ground. He took five marks and had several decisive spoils, a couple against Buddy. Rowe's performance was considerably better than Jamison's and his grunt work allowed Weitering to zone off.
Bolton has made it perfectly clear that he won't talk about individual performances and he's said nothing about Rowe or other players. The fact that Rowe is our first choice CHB probably gives some idea of how Bolton and the other coaches rate him. Just accept that Rowe is getting a game and will continue to do so until we recruit or develop another couple of key defenders; Jamison will probably go before Rowe.
I was at the game and we would have had another ten goal flogging if Rowe wasn't on the ground. He took five marks and had several decisive spoils, a couple against Buddy. Rowe's performance was considerably better than Jamison's and his grunt work allowed Weitering to zone off.
Bolton has made it perfectly clear that he won't talk about individual performances and he's said nothing about Rowe or other players. The fact that Rowe is our first choice CHB probably gives some idea of how Bolton and the other coaches rate him. Just accept that Rowe is getting a game and will continue to do so until we recruit or develop another couple of key defenders; Jamison will probably go before Rowe.
We are an awful football side. When we are getting enthusiastic about Jones etc. we are kidding ourselves. The truth is, we have NO forwards. If you don't have people who can kick goals when that is what the whole game is really all about, then we are a joke at best. How we haven't detected this issue over the past 5 years and tried to groom some people for this job, and I don't mean hacks, is beyond me. In fact we have done the opposite, traded them away. I'm not sold on Bolton either. Stop talking about 'oh we only used 90 rotations' etc. mate I don't care about rotations... teach them to kick the damn ball through the goal first.
We are an awful football side. When we are getting enthusiastic about Jones etc. we are kidding ourselves. The truth is, we have NO forwards. If you don't have people who can kick goals when that is what the whole game is really all about, then we are a joke at best. How we haven't detected this issue over the past 5 years and tried to groom some people for this job, and I don't mean hacks, is beyond me. In fact we have done the opposite, traded them away. I'm not sold on Bolton either. Stop talking about 'oh we only used 90 rotations' etc. mate I don't care about rotations... teach them to kick the damn ball through the goal first.
You may have to change your handle ;)
Is anyone getting enthusiastic about Jones?
I reckon we are better than awful and on our way to becoming an average football side. If we're going to progress to above average, we need to find at least another key defender, a key forward and a goal kicking ruckman.
its going to be long hard and slow.
there will be glimpses, but i guess we're following the progress of the new wave, the next generation rather than the result.
If you can get you head around that we will finish bottom 4 again but continually improve, albeit slowly, but a sustained success
in 5 years, finals, 7-8 years min to challenge, thats the way its going to be, providing the board and the factions stay the fk out of football business.
I like bolton, he's measured, and is the right person for this job. 1-2 more years of malthouse would have destroyed this club and its membership base
I was at the game and we would have had another ten goal flogging if Rowe wasn't on the ground. He took five marks and had several decisive spoils, a couple against Buddy. Rowe's performance was considerably better than Jamison's and his grunt work allowed Weitering to zone off.
Bolton has made it perfectly clear that he won't talk about individual performances and he's said nothing about Rowe or other players. The fact that Rowe is our first choice CHB probably gives some idea of how Bolton and the other coaches rate him. Just accept that Rowe is getting a game and will continue to do so until we recruit or develop another couple of key defenders; Jamison will probably go before Rowe.
Amen. Sadly, Jamo is a liability as far back as I can remember.....
We are an awful football side. When we are getting enthusiastic about Jones etc. we are kidding ourselves. The truth is, we have NO forwards. If you don't have people who can kick goals when that is what the whole game is really all about, then we are a joke at best. How we haven't detected this issue over the past 5 years and tried to groom some people for this job, and I don't mean hacks, is beyond me. In fact we have done the opposite, traded them away. I'm not sold on Bolton either. Stop talking about 'oh we only used 90 rotations' etc. mate I don't care about rotations... teach them to kick the damn ball through the goal first.
That's a troll worthy post at best.
Any true supporter knows we are building from the ground up. We have recruited a quality list of kids that potentially address our current deficiencies with time to make adjustments as required. Bolts comes from a club that has won the last 3 flags and has impressed everyone except you it would seem.
I'm happy with Bolts but I've always seen Rowe as a spudnick. Just too unreliable.
Rowe may have managed a few spoils on Friday, but every time he took possession things went to sh#t. Same deal against Essendon. If only we had drafted Collins.
Why would the club put each of the 4 quarters up on the site for replay and when you go to play them, they are "Out of Bounds"????? ::) ::) ::)
Why would the club put each of the 4 quarters up on the site for replay and when you go to play them, they are "Out of Bounds"????? ::) ::) ::)
Don't you have Foxtel?
Rowe and Jamo are a long way from being the commandig figures we so badly need at the centre of our defence but they are all we have to get us through this year until we develop or bring in alternatives. They are now the interims and fortunately Weitering looks like he'll be positioned to take over one slot by next year. Hopefully Plowman will be ready for the other.
Don't you have Foxtel?
Nup, I reckon I pay enough for my sports as it is Carrots ;)
Plowman isn't big enough to play KP at senior level.
Nup, I reckon I pay enough for my sports as it is Carrots ;)
A cheaper means of watching the footy is the international pass from the AFL and accessed via a VPN. Provided your broadband is fast enough it works pretty well and is free of ads. It also offers replys on demand. I found it pretty good the last 2 years in Europe.
I don't mind Rowe going around again this season. What I hope is that by round 15 he is dropped and Jacksh and weitering are challenging for the role. Rowe is a VFL player, but he is a big body, works hard and is committed. At the moment this is the standard at Carlton, so beggers can't etc.
Our lack of depth will hurt as over the year as injuries mount as they always do. But standards will rise as expectations do. Our ball movement already looked better over the preseason and this in turn will force players to keep finding position and creating options. It takes alot more communication to do this and as we have been so down in the dumps, the static clumsy play is easier to understand.
BTW, the stupid rule against colliding with a player's legs was again demonstrated on Friday. Thomas was lunging for the ball and copped a kick to the head from a Sydney player whilst airborne. He was not sliding and gets penalised. This rule is at odds with the principle of protecting the head and the man going for the ball. I guess the NAB challenge is practice for the umpires too.
Plowman isn't big enough to play KP at senior level.
Agree... and I think we could use him better given we need another bigger body to help Cripps around the middle.
If Plowman was to play back it would be more as your running 3rd tall defender...the footage I saw of him carrying the ball through the midfield and playing on the ball was impressive.
He is very mobile for his size and is a good kick of the ball...might allow us to play Gibbs forward more as well which will help create some goals which we badly need.
One thing I noticed on Friday was the use of low, daisy-cutter kicks when trying to hit a player in traffic and also when kicking backwards to an isolated player. Several kicks fell short and a couple were grubbers.
It seemed to be a deliberate tactic and it struck me that it may have been done to keep the target's eyeline elbow the lights.
Agree... and I think we could use him better given we need another bigger body to help Cripps around the middle.
If Plowman was to play back it would be more as your running 3rd tall defender...the footage I saw of him carrying the ball through the midfield and playing on the ball was impressive.
He is very mobile for his size and is a good kick of the ball...might allow us to play Gibbs forward more as well which will help create some goals which we badly need.
horses for courses? At 193cm, Plowman as tall as Riewoldt, 1cm less than Jamo......has he ever played inside F50?
Plowman isn't big enough to play KP at senior level.
A tall defender, Lachie Plowman was selected by the GIANTS with pick three in the 2012 NAB AFL Draft. With a terrific ability to win the contested ball in the air and at ground level, Plowman is a poised player with good decision-making skills. He made his AFL debut in Round 1, 2013 after being drafted from the Calder Cannons. - See more at: http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/player-profile/lachlan-plowman#sthash.uz7IJZxq.dpufFrom his bio on the GWS site. Sounds promising to me and he's shown as 193cm.
If Plowman can play tall like Josh Gibson it would enable us to drop Jamo which is a must at this stage. He's mentally not up to it. Craps his pants at every opportunity. That sort of stuff can spread like cancer. We really need to get him as far away from Weitering as possible.
Rowe is dodgey as well but Jamo has got to go.
horses for courses? At 193cm, Plowman as tall as Riewoldt, 1cm less than Jamo......has he ever played inside F50?
Some players play tall and you also get the reverse...Jack Darling is around 190cm but plays tall, Everiit for us is 194cm but doesnt like too much body contact and tends to play smaller looking
to beat up on shorter players in marking duels.
I'll be happy if Plowman can be a contributor anywhere given our needs....
but Jamo has got to go.
Wow :o
If Plowman can play tall like Josh Gibson it would enable us to drop Jamo which is a must at this stage. He's mentally not up to it. Craps his pants at every opportunity. That sort of stuff can spread like cancer. We really need to get him as far away from Weitering as possible.
Rowe is dodgey as well but Jamo has got to go.
interesting one is Gibson, only 189cm (Walker of Judd) yet often kinda plays KPP (or at least 2nd man up).....
Thought Jamo was pretty ordinary last year, needs to find another cog to be remotely useful....hard to argue with your sentiment here Jeza.
All this ra ra about how good Buddy was (only only seen highlights thus far) but his first 2 goals were when he didn't have a man within 25m of him?! Where was Jamo?
Jamo could be fine. If he would just stop playing scared. He shuts down mentally into the most negative player he can be.
Just go for your marks Jamo. Don't look to run the ball out of bounds when you've got a team mate free 2m away in the clear. Punch when clear for a mark. He's beat by his opponent before he takes the field.
Jamo could be fine. If he would just stop playing scared. He shuts down mentally into the most negative player he can be.
Just go for your marks Jamo. Don't look to run the ball out of bounds when you've got a team mate free 2m away in the clear. Punch when clear for a mark. He's beat by his opponent before he takes the field.
I suspect Jamison's dodgy shoulders are part of the reason for the way he's been playing; tentative when going for a mark or spoil.
As I previously posted, Jammo may be still trying to get used to the new defensive set up? That's why he looks a bit confused at times, and that's presumably why we got caught out a few times, especially by Buddy. We were pressing forward a lot as part of BB's plan. OK until we turn it over in our forward half and the ball is rocketed back over the top of our out of position defence. However, it seems BB wants to ingrain that style of play rather than compromise because of skills defficiencies. We will be focused on that and get the necessary skills or the skilled players as part of our development.
As I previously posted, Jammo may be still trying to get used to the new defensive set up? That's why he looks a bit confused at times, and that's presumably why we got caught out a few times, especially by Buddy. We were pressing forward a lot as part of BB's plan. OK until we turn it over in our forward half and the ball is rocketed back over the top of our out of position defence. However, it seems BB wants to ingrain that style of play rather than compromise because of skills defficiencies. We will be focused on that and get the necessary skills or the skilled players as part of our development.
The reason we got caught out with buddy is because we turned the ball over when we shouldn't have.
Can't blame Jamo for that as he is doing as required and pushing forward. Unfortunate that we are not as skilled as the hawks and that gameplan might not work as well for us.
We all see things a bit differently but I though Jamo was exposed trying to cover Rowe who lost his opponent far too frequently and that Rowe was the reason Jamo looked bad.
Fair play to Rowe who hits each contest like it's his last but he either wins it or loses it, and not much in between.
Jamison has no confidence in his shoulders. None. Saw him go to spoil and it looked like he did all he could to keep his arm locked in place and prevent pain before it came.
Both of them look to be on their last legs.
The reason we got caught out with buddy is because we turned the ball over when we shouldn't have.
Can't blame Jamo for that as he is doing as required and pushing forward. Unfortunate that we are not as skilled as the hawks and that gameplan might not work as well for us.
Yep, I think I said that but that's what I meant if it wasn't stated clearly. Agree re. Jamo too, not really his fault there.
Unfortunate that we are not as skilled as the hawks and that gameplan might not work as well for us.
It took the players at Hawthorn the best part of 10 years to get the skills you see today - that's with selecting players who tended to be more skillful to begin with. It didn't take 10 years to start seeing the benefits but it was ugly, ugly stuff for the first 3 years. We need to invest this time as well rather than just saying it won't work right away.
Our defenders need to take a leaf out of JW's book. Watch the ball, read the play, attack the footy and either kill the contest or mark the thing. Jamo, Rowe, 2E all man watch, get star struck by the likes of Buddy and never really get into contest. Back yourselves fellas and watch the confidence come back.
We all see things a bit differently but I though Jamo was exposed trying to cover Rowe who lost his opponent far too frequently and that Rowe was the reason Jamo looked bad.
Fair play to Rowe who hits each contest like it's his last but he either wins it or loses it, and not much in between.
Jamison has no confidence in his shoulders. None. Saw him go to spoil and it looked like he did all he could to keep his arm locked in place and prevent pain before it came.
Both of them look to be on their last legs.
That's true Thry, and you get a different perspective if you're at the game or watching on TV.
In fact, Rowe stood Buddy for longer than Jamison did and managed to neutralise most contests. Weitering actually won his one on ones with Buddy and that's quite an achievement for the young fellow. Jamison managed to neutralise Buddy on several occasions and really only lost contests when he gave Buddy too much space.
Our zone defence gave Buddy a bit of an advantage but Jamison played into his hands by zoning too far off . Unfortunately, Jamison doesn't have the acceleration to cover the space he gave Buddy. One of Buddy's marks against Jamison came from a rebound after a turnover. That was in the first quarter when Buddy gave Heeney an easy goal.
After watching the replay, I suspect that my criticism of Jamison was probably not entirely justified. We are playing a team defence and one player over committing or giving up too much space makes it harder for everyone else. Jamison and Rowe were put under extra pressure at times by their team-mates. However, I do think that Jamison's shoulders and/or his conscious or subconscious concerns about them have reduced his ability to mark and spoil.
Even with Jamison and Rowe's faults, I think that it is important that they continue to hold down the key defensive posts and allow Weitering the opportunity to use his ability to read the play, take intercept marks and provide run out of defence. I can't see Plowman displacing either of them but he could be an upgrade on White (although White's hardness is admirable).
The reason we got caught out with buddy is because we turned the ball over when we shouldn't have.
Can't blame Jamo for that as he is doing as required and pushing forward. Unfortunate that we are not as skilled as the hawks and that gameplan might not work as well for us.
I wish that were true. The ball transitioned out of our forward line. Wasn't a quick turnover that caught our defenders out. Pathetic stuff. Rowe did exactly the same.
I'm not critical of this so much or Jamo's shoulders. It was when he had an easy opportunity to pick the ball up and handball it to a teammate. Instead he twice tried to get it over the boundary without giving away a free simply because Buddy was around. So intent on not failing that he failed.
He's mentally beaten before he walks onto the park most games.
I wish that were true. The ball transitioned out of our forward line. Wasn't a quick turnover that caught our defenders out. Pathetic stuff. Rowe did exactly the same.
I'm not critical of this so much or Jamo's shoulders. It was when he had an easy opportunity to pick the ball up and handball it to a teammate. Instead he twice tried to get it over the boundary without giving away a free simply because Buddy was around. So intent on not failing that he failed.
He's mentally beaten before he walks onto the park most games.
There's no doubt Jamo was off his game but he looked more confused than anything else. I think he's really struggling to adapt to the new game plan and structures. Anyway, whatever the problems are, he needs to get over them pdq.
horses for courses? At 193cm, Plowman as tall as Riewoldt, 1cm less than Jamo......has he ever played inside F50?
Plowman can play back, midfield, froward.
He is a jet IMHO. Just gotta get his body right!
Midfield/Forward might be his go.
May start down back to get into the swing of things.
We talk about the lack of confidence, re Jamo , Rowe & other senior players etc , I wonder if anything has to do with the lack of success overall at the club in the last few years & the removing /leaving of many of there team mates? I am sure it must have some impact? Thats where I believe we may have cut to the bone a little to much re the player cull , lack of experience , I would think that would impact somehow? Thoughts?
We talk about the lack of confidence, re Jamo , Rowe & other senior players etc , I wonder if anything has to do with the lack of success overall at the club in the last few years & the removing /leaving of many of there team mates? I am sure it must have some impact? Thats where I believe we may have cut to the bone a little to much re the player cull , lack of experience , I would think that would impact somehow? Thoughts?
On the money. Any workplace where standards are low, morale is down and performance is dismal breeds more of the same. Players are not automatons, they respond to each other and the prevailing mood. For our defenders, it is especially hard having been on the receiving end of some frightful scores against over the years.
Getting a new coach is great, like getting a new director or general manager in charge of 100 odd staff. But the time that it takes to weed out the real bad apples (see Yarran, henderson et al) and start to turn others around is more than a few months of an off season. Players have to buy in, to understand the new requirements and to have confidence in the new mantra and then each other. They can rise to this challenge or not. It takes time and is a hard grind. Maintaining this momentum among an otherwise disparate group of people is why the best managers are paid a lot.
Bolton's language is straight out of the modern management playbook of expressing clarity of goals, and seeking commitment from his staff (players) and then judging them by their actions (performance on and off the field). Players should have a sense and understanding about what is expected of them; a pathway of sorts to follow.
Jamo and Rowe will be assessed and will either measure up over time or they wont. But we shouldnt underestimate how deflating the past few years have been. If I went to work each day confident that I was not going to succeed much then i am going to struggle for confidence and the risk taking that success requires.
A big factor is for each individual to build trust with all those around them and thereby build their own confidence to really push the envelope without fear, knowing you will be praised when you succeed and be supported rather than crucified when setbacks occur. Developing this type of culture can be a very powerful magnifier of team performance and I think BB subscribes to that approach but has to overcome years of it not being the case at CFC.
On the money. Any workplace where standards are low, morale is down and performance is dismal breeds more of the same. Players are not automatons, they respond to each other and the prevailing mood. For our defenders, it is especially hard having been on the receiving end of some frightful scores against over the years.
Getting a new coach is great, like getting a new director or general manager in charge of 100 odd staff. But the time that it takes to weed out the real bad apples (see Yarran, henderson et al) and start to turn others around is more than a few months of an off season. Players have to buy in, to understand the new requirements and to have confidence in the new mantra and then each other. They can rise to this challenge or not. It takes time and is a hard grind. Maintaining this momentum among an otherwise disparate group of people is why the best managers are paid a lot.
Bolton's language is straight out of the modern management playbook of expressing clarity of goals, and seeking commitment from his staff (players) and then judging them by their actions (performance on and off the field). Players should have a sense and understanding about what is expected of them; a pathway of sorts to follow.
Jamo and Rowe will be assessed and will either measure up over time or they wont. But we shouldnt underestimate how deflating the past few years have been. If I went to work each day confident that I was not going to succeed much then i am going to struggle for confidence and the risk taking that success requires.
Well put Vivian this will put the blow torch on who is left to work & embrace the new program, or go by the way side. Hope it's the earlier option but worried about Jamo, seems rudderless at the moment .