After last year I want to see a win when I get home. I'll edit the title when I get home.
Hope that fits.
After last year I want to see a win when I get home. I'll edit the title when I get home.
Don't always get what you want... But you did this time Crash. We didn't look like losing.
Let the celebration begin Bluebaggers ;D
Didn't need the whip...hands and heels win
Fairly average in a lot of respects....But winning average always beats losing well :D
Some nice end to end goals.
Mike Fitzpatrick
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Nice to win and if someone said we'd be 6-5 half with a 38 pt win again Brisbane I'd be beyond excited. But now we are actually decent, and you have to say, with a 6-5 record, now a finals contender even if we're still not favoured, we were very sloppy after half time. That attitude won't help against a side like St.Kilda next week.
Anyway, past the negatives, what we have done to get us to 6-5 and some sort of a finals chance is nothing short of remarkable. Especially when we were crap at 0-4 and I was hoping we could win at least 1 game this season. Our season has taken off. Finals, at our stage, would be terrific but development at this stage is the priority. Finals would be simply a bonus on top of that.
If there was any doubt over taking Weitering with the first pick in the draft it was removed today. He beat Schache all day to finish with 24 disposals and 14 marks. He was also the first player interviewed after the game by the fox sportss team.
Weitering might have been playing on another kid, but he was pretty close to BOG today
Very good win on a six day break.
Cripps mentioned in a post game on ground interview that Kruze copped a knock to the head.
Another good even team effort which is the most pleasing thing about this season.
Hard to pick the best player, which is odd in a 40 point win, but even harder to pick a bad player.
Gorringe is looking much more comfortable, it's amazing what some senior games can do.
Tough game next week, St Kilda have a good sprinkling of young talent and move the ball very quickly.
Comparing our endeavor and skill to our last game v Lions.
Hard to fathom its the same club. While we have plenty of development to go, its no longer an embarrassment being a Bluebagger. Hats off to the genius behind "the new blues". Finals or not, we've got a chance to resurrect the club back to it's former glory.
Go Blues
LLLLWWWWLWW looks a hell of a lot better than than LLLLLLLLLLL which is what many were predicting. I only saw the second half and it looked ugly for the most part. JW was the standout, composure plus that kid. Dare I say it but Gorringe is starting to do a few nice things. What a difference Kreuzer makes to our the structure of our side, it is so noticeable. Interesting fact during the commentary we are the 3 oldest side in the comp! Is that correct? Anyway, a wins a win.
Da dada dada!
Go Blues.
LLLLWWWWLWW looks a hell of a lot better than than LLLLLLLLLLL which is what many were predicting. I only saw the second half and it looked ugly for the most part. JW was the standout, composure plus that kid. Dare I say it but Gorringe is starting to do a few nice things. What a difference Kreuzer makes to our the structure of our side, it is so noticeable. Interesting fact during the commentary we are the 3 oldest side in the comp! Is that correct? Anyway, a wins a win.
Da dada dada!
Go Blues.
100%. Wasn't at the game but felt we cruised at times. Bolton won't be happy, play like that next week and we'll get done.
@GIC
3rd oldest team - have heard that quoted a few times. Not sure if it relates to age (guessing it is) or games played. We do have some older boys with low kms on the clock though.
half the hawks prem team last year were 28 and over.
don't think age matters as much as winning - providing we have a solid underbelly of youngsters coming through
Cripps mentioned in a post game on ground interview that Kruze copped a knock to the head.
The word at the ground was that Kreuzer was throwing up. That could be a response to concussion - or he could have eaten a bad prawn.
LLLLWWWWLWW looks a hell of a lot better than than LLLLLLLLLLL which is what many were predicting. I only saw the second half and it looked ugly for the most part. JW was the standout, composure plus that kid. Dare I say it but Gorringe is starting to do a few nice things. What a difference Kreuzer makes to our the structure of our side, it is so noticeable. Interesting fact during the commentary we are the 3 oldest side in the comp! Is that correct? Anyway, a wins a win.
Da dada dada!
Go Blues.
9th oldest list in the comp.
@GIC
3rd oldest team - have heard that quoted a few times. Not sure if it relates to age (guessing it is) or games played. We do have some older boys with low kms on the clock though.
Important thing is how many you have in the 23-28 range as that's usually where player are in the 60-150 game range.. Average is one thing, standard deviation from the average (statistical measure) is a better guide. We have players like Simmo that skew the average.
Weitering gives Schache a bath ??
Graham can't handle the responsibility ??
TV commentary 3/4 time was Kruez was physically sick. No mention of head knock, but who knows.
Wish the big fella a speedy recovery. Gee we're so much better with him on the ground.
Another good even team effort which is the most pleasing thing about this season.
Hard to pick the best player, which is odd in a 40 point win, but even harder to pick a bad player.
Gorringe is looking much more comfortable, it's amazing what some senior games can do.
Tough game next week, St Kilda have a good sprinkling of young talent and move the ball very quickly.
I'm going to keep bagging Gorringe as it's making him play well...lol!!!
St.Kilda's a tricky game. We were 5% down at times today and St.Kilda, while not great, is just the side to take advantage of a side not fully switched on.
Important thing is how many you have in the 23-28 range as that's usually where player are in the 60-150 game range.. Average is one thing, standard deviation from the average (statistical measure) is a better guide. We have players like Simmo that skew the average.
Agree, as far as I'm concerned it really is an irrelevant bit of media discussion.
Cor blimey this winning business is getting a bit tiresome, eh what? :P
Didn't take long for young Weits to get his groove back. Another excellent tackling performance across the board, putting pressure on their forwards - seems to be a barometer for us. Calm heads + belief in yourself + knowledge that your efforts will be appreciated = accurate kicking. Let me be the first to say ... danger game next week!
@GIC
3rd oldest team - have heard that quoted a few times. Not sure if it relates to age (guessing it is) or games played. We do have some older boys with low kms on the clock though.
Definitely relating to Age.
Showed a stat where we were a year older on average vs the Lions today.
Just on that, we have quite a few players who are in the team, but not really relied upon.
Played today (age) - Could take their spot (age)
Army (30) - Boekhorst (22)
White (28) - Jaksch (21)
Walker (30) - J. Silvagni (18)
Everitt (27) - C. Curnow (19)
You could replace any of them without too much drama
If we did that, we are a year younger than the lions today.
Add to that...
Jamo (30) likely to retire.
Wood (29) a rookie likely to retire
Rowe (28) is currently in top form, but is also in the process of being replaced by Plowman/Weitering combo.
We also have a few more mature rookies in
Sheehan (25)
Korcheck (24)
Galucci (22)
...who could easily be replaced by younger rookies.
Yes we are old, but our talent lies within the younger brigade. ;)
If Casboult gets cited for a late hit I expect the club to send a video of Robbo's even more blatant example from 30 seconds earlier to the MRP.
The umpire that failed to make the correct decision in the first place (pay the late hit) should also be held to account. This is what happens when obvious free kicks aren't paid.
Definitely relating to Age.
Showed a stat where we were a year older on average vs the Lions today.
Just on that, we have quite a few players who are in the team, but not really relied upon.
Played today (age) - Could take their spot (age)
Army (30) - Boekhorst (22)
White (28) - Jaksch (21)
Walker (30) - J. Silvagni (18)
Everitt (27) - C. Curnow (19)
You could replace any of them without too much drama
If we did that, we are a year younger than the lions today.
Add to that...
Jamo (30) likely to retire.
Wood (29) a rookie likely to retire
Rowe (28) is currently in top form, but is also in the process of being replaced by Plowman/Weitering combo.
We also have a few more mature rookies in
Sheehan (25)
Korcheck (24)
Galucci (22)
...who could easily be replaced by younger rookies.
Yes we are old, but our talent lies within the younger brigade. ;)
Yes, changes alot without much change in output.
9th oldest list in the comp.
Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age
NM 26.9
FR 25.9
HW 25.8
ES 25.7
WC 25.7
GE 25.4
CA 25.2
AD 25
PA 25
SY 24.9
RI 24.8
SK 24.6
CW 24.5
WB 24.4
GW 24.3
GC 24
ME 23.8
BL 23.7
Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age
NM 26.9
FR 25.9
HW 25.8
ES 25.7
WC 25.7
GE 25.4
CA 25.2
AD 25
PA 25
SY 24.9
RI 24.8
SK 24.6
CW 24.5
WB 24.4
GW 24.3
GC 24
ME 23.8
BL 23.7
Average age is meaningless, it's the number you have in the right age bracket with the right number of games behinds. Having a number late 20's, 30 and older as well as a number of good ones very young, teens/early 20s to make an average of 25, is not the same as having most of your list in the 24-28 range making the same average. The latter you have the majority in your prime, the former you have many youngsters ready to come though, with the average skewed by a few older ones.
Like i said, the standard deviation from the average gives a much better picture. That tells you stable your average is as it tells you how much variation you have from the average.
If Casboult gets cited for a late hit I expect the club to send a video of Robbo's even more blatant example from 30 seconds earlier to the MRP.
The umpire that failed to make the correct decision in the first place (pay the late hit) should also be held to account. This is what happens when obvious free kicks aren't paid.
Hope you're right Prof. Common sense says he should be fine - it was late but just a bump mostly side-on. My concern is the AFL highlights of the game show the Levi bump on Robbo 3 or 4 times... and nothing is shown of the Robbo bump on Levi a minute earlier >:(
On recent history (and seeing as it's us) I wouldn't be surprised if the bastards give Levi a week though. He should've just punched Robbo in the nuts instead as that's apparently not an offence any more ::)
I don't think he made contact to the head? Should be fine.
Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age
NM 26.9
FR 25.9
HW 25.8
ES 25.7
WC 25.7
GE 25.4
CA 25.2
AD 25
PA 25
SY 24.9
RI 24.8
SK 24.6
CW 24.5
WB 24.4
GW 24.3
GC 24
ME 23.8
BL 23.7
According to Champion Data (pre CAS suspension figures), we're equal 9th.
Average Age
1. Fremantle – 25 years and 157 days
2. North Melbourne – 25 years and 55 days
3. Hawthorn – 24 years and 307 days
4. Essendon – 24 years and 259 days*
5. Geelong – 24 years and 201 days
6. West Coast – 24 years and 175 days
7. Sydney Swans – 24 years and 124 days
8. Richmond – 24 years and 95 days
9. Port Adelaide – 24 years and 40 days*
=. Carlton – 24 years and 40 days
11. Adelaide – 24 years and 29 days
12. Collingwood – 23 years and 310 days
13. St Kilda – 23 years and 303 days
14. Western Bulldogs – 23 years and 270 days
15. Melbourne – 23 years and 241 days
16. Gold Coast – 23 years and 197 days
17. Greater Western Sydney – 23 years and 99 days
18. Brisbane Lions – 22 years and 343 days
And 12th in terms of games played.
Average Games Played
1. North Melbourne – 93.9
2. Hawthorn – 86.6
3. Fremantle – 86.3
4. West Coast – 77.9
5. Geelong – 77.3
6. Essendon – 75.5*
7. Port Adelaide – 72.9*
8. Richmond – 71
9. Collingwood – 69.5
10. Sydney Swans – 68.4
11. Adelaide – 62.5
12. Carlton – 60.4
13. St Kilda – 60.2
14. Gold Coast – 59.1
15. Western Bulldogs – 57.7
16. Melbourne – 57.5
17. Greater Western Sydney – 56.9
18. Brisbane Lions – 49
If you look at our age demographics, you will see that we are under represented in players aged 20, 21, 24, 25 and 26. The fact that we only have five 20 and 21 year olds skews our average age. It's not a critical issue.
I didn't shed any tears when Christensen got nailed either.
Weitering gives Schache a bath ??
Graham can't handle the responsibility ??
Weitering gave him a bath, took him to the cleaners and pulled his pants down.
Hopefully Graham is better for the run.
Did I miss something or was that "winning in a canter"? Seems like we cruised in compared to the game last week - almost routine. It'll be a lot tougher next week though.
I didn't shed any tears when Christensen got nailed either.
That was a good bump; no contact to the head and it was in the contest. Walks judged it perfectly and Christensen certainly had the stuffing knocked out of him.
2e returned to a bit of form and Gorringe proved he isn't a total spud. Army continues to amaze as a small forward. Fantastic goal from Ed. The boys adjusted fairly quickly to the huge change in Brisbane's gameplan after the long break, so there's a fair bit of leadership out there.
That was a good bump; no contact to the head and it was in the contest. Walks judged it to perfectly and Christensen certainly had the stuffing knocked out of him.
Think the bump dislocated his shoulder as he went straight to hospital. I've known the family for over 40+ years so looked at it with a bit of concern. It was a magnificent bump the, Absolutely perfect.
I'm going to keep bagging Gorringe as it's making him play well...lol!!!
:D
He's a bit deceptive...just watching him you don't realise he's actually as involved as he is...
Today he spent less time on the ground than any other player except Kreuzer but still managed
18 possessions and 7 marks.
Casboult (return) bump on Robbo. On replay, looked late but low - Bobby bump. No head contact.
Robbo fell to the deck clutching his shin... Not sure what that was about.
Think the bump dislocated his shoulder as he went straight to hospital. .................... It was a magnificent bump the, Absolutely perfect.
Yes, no malice in it at all. But i don't like seeing players get injured.
:D
He's a bit deceptive...just watching him you don't realise he's actually as involved as he is...
Today he spent less time on the ground than any other player except Kreuzer but still managed
18 possessions and 7 marks.
Has very good hands in close for a big bloke.
A few more games like that and Phillips will have to play himself back into the side, which is great news for the CFC.
Casboult (return) bump on Robbo. On replay, looked late but low - Bobby bump. No head contact.
Robbo fell to the deck clutching his shin... Not sure what that was about.
As much as we probably liked to see it...and agree that the lack of a free kick to Casboult just prior was a poor decision......
It was an undisciplined act by Casboult and was a response made in anger and frustration.
Bolton will probably have a quiet word to him about it.
:D
He's a bit deceptive...just watching him you don't realise he's actually as involved as he is...
Today he spent less time on the ground than any other player except Kreuzer but still managed
18 possessions and 7 marks.
So far I've liked Gorringe marking and around the goals. What I noticed today was he's clean below the knees, especially for a guy his size. He repeatedly scooped the pill off the deck and passed off effectively. Perhaps our coaching staff have a plan building up his box of tricks with a position in mind. Not sure what, but his athleticism and height may be difficult to match in the right possie.
Earned his spot for mine.
Yes, no malice in it at all. But i don't like seeing players get injured.
It's not good if Christensen's shoulder was dislocated.
Did I miss something or was that "winning in a canter"? Seems like we cruised in compared to the game last week - almost routine. It'll be a lot tougher next week though.
The win was set up in the first half (which I didnt see). We lost the second half by a point.
It's not good if Christensen's shoulder was dislocated.
It might be a collarbone rather than a shoulder. I don't know enough about sports injuries or human anatomy, but I imagine a broken collarbone is less serious than a broken shoulder.
:D
He's a bit deceptive...just watching him you don't realise he's actually as involved as he is...
Today he spent less time on the ground than any other player except Kreuzer but still managed
18 possessions and 7 marks.
It's a bit deceptive that the commentators keep referring to him as Everitt.
They do look rather similar and have a number starting with '3' on their back.
Would also explain a lot of the man-love for everitt of late.
It's a bit deceptive that the commentators keep referring to him as Everitt.
They do look rather similar and have a number starting with '3' on their back.
Would also explain a lot of the man-love for everitt of late.
Talking about man love, Gerard Healy has a seriously chubby for Byrne. Two games I have watched on Fox where Byrne as played, Healy has pumped up his tyres in a big way.
Sorry. wrong thread. ;)
So far I've liked Gorringe marking and around the goals. What I noticed today was he's clean below the knees, especially for a guy his size. He repeatedly scooped the pill off the deck and passed off effectively. Perhaps our coaching staff have a plan building up his box of tricks with a position in mind. Not sure what, but his athleticism and height may be difficult to match in the right possie.
Earned his spot for mine.
Gorringe's goal of playing as a midfielder doesn't seem that far-fetched. The club's idea of using him as a tall half forward
I still think he lacks the physical attributes to be a genuine ruckman but he is agile, covers the ground well, has good hands and uses the ball well. He is definitely worth persevering with and I reckon he could have value as a half forward who takes a turn in the midfield and pinch hits in the ruck.
On the subject of pinch hitting in the ruck, Rowe showed some hops today :o He didn't get his hands on the ball that often but he was jumping all over Marten and West at centre bounces.
Some observations.
Walker been playing for 13 years, still won't do a drop punt when running into an open goal. has to do the stupid curl it around his shoulder, through his legs, up his clacker kick, and then cracks it when he misses. Has never learnt, and will never learn.
Nick Graham, just not up to AFL level. He's the type of player that I describe as being too good for VFL, but not good enough for AFL.
Gibbs did his usual, I have played one great game, think I'll have a rest, thing.
Kerridge was unimpressive early, but got better and better as the game progressed to be one of our best.
Love Weitering, no more comment necessary.
Gorringe getting better around the ground, but still got no idea at the centre bounces.
Ploughman improving. Sam Doc, should get All Australian.
Now, I take into account the fact that they played out of their skins last week and there was a six day turnaround. I also take into account that playing at Etihad on what is a harder surface than the MCG, takes it out of players legs.
Notwithstanding all of that, they played like Millionaires in the last half, particularly in the last quarter. It should have been a 10 goal win which is about Brisbanes average losing margin this year. But it was a 38 point win, because they stuffed around with thoughtless play and stupid handball.
Frankly, it was sickening to watch.
Judging by Bolts understated comments at the Press conference, he is fully aware that what they produced particularly in the last quarter against a very ordinary team was not acceptable.
Let's just imagine for a moment that we are equal on points with another team after the last round. How are we going to feel if we finish 9th, but would have made the 8 had we kicked another 4 goals, or prevented Brisbane from scoring 4 goals in the last quarter as they did.
It was lazy, unacceptable football, reminiscent of the, dare I say it, Malthouse era.
As Bolts says, we are on a journey, and it is a continual learning process.
Lets hope that Bolton and the coaching staff can rid the players of this lazy type of play just because they think that they have a team on toast.
They have no better example than the way North dismantled Richmond on Friday night. Yes, Richmond had 3 down, but North put the screws in, and never let up, gaining a 70 point win.
That's what we should have done today.
Lets hope that the 7 day break and playing at 4.00 p.m. sees them coming out hard and tough and relentless against St. Kilda next week.
Almost forgot. LOVE BYRNE!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this age crap that you are all going about matter ???????
North supposedly have the oldest average side in the league, and are sitting comfortably on top of the ladder.
What should we do??? Dump everyone over 28 and get a whole lot of whatevers under 20????. Will that make us a final 4 side?
talk about things that matter!!!
There is a strong correlation between average age and ladder position and North is living proof of that. However, you're right about average age not being all that important to our finals chances.
It does matter that we only have five players aged 20 and 21 and it will matter more in years to come. I imagine that SOS will be looking to address that over the next few trade periods.
I went along today and Brisbane were woeful, they lack leadership and their skill level is pitiful, we managed to live off their turnovers and the goals we created were mainly due to their poor manning up where we ran the ball and got the overlap and players like Lamb ended up with uncontested marks in the forward 50.
Brisbane had their chances but were poor in front of goal and if we were playing anyone with a reasonable forward line we could have been in trouble....
Smashed in the middle IMO and losing Kruezer didnt help...how Rockcliff got 48 possies is beyond me, he didnt seem to get that much ball...I thought Robbo was ordinary too but then read he had 25 possies......not that he did any damage..
We over used the ball by hand and refused to kick the ball when that was the best option...the one area where we dominated was tackling..we hunted Brisbane down and many times went unrewarded by the umpires who were terrible most of the day.....
We get a lot of kicks smothered, or up in the air kicks by getting too close to the man on the mark....Weitering excepted..his ball use by hand and foot is always good and
when the ball is in his hands you feel safe and he was my BOG...14 marks as well..
Kerridge is a good footballer but turns the ball over too much and chooses poor options, great work rate but needs to think about his disposal more....
Everitt was the bad Everitt today.....
Walker seemed to attack the ball ok but had little impact..
The Boult couldnt get his hands on too many marks and in fact Gorringe was probably our best contested marking tall today....MK while he was on did a Hampson and had his hands in the wrong position most times...
Gibbs ...not many possies but did lay some good tackles...
Cripps ...good but Rockcliffs numbers made our mans efforts less impressive...
Simpson...cheated off his man most of the game but the Lions could never move the ball quick enough to catch him out and he rebounded the ball with ease...
Rowe..ok down back, no good in the ruck and kicked a handy goal down forward....pass
Armfield...very good again..
Lamb....good, converted well and played smart today....
Wright....always handy and safe with the ball....got caught once only from memory.
Daisy..didnt see much of him
Graham...disappointing on the offensive side, slow to move the ball on and his disposals dont hurt....but on the defensive side he did tackle well.
Byrne ..ran the ball well, couple of good marks.
Plowman..Good defender but lacks a yard and needs to get rid of the ball quicker...takes too long to wind up for handpasses and wouldnt be using him to run the ball out much unless he was well in the clear as he gets himself into trouble too easily...
White..didnt see much of him but didnt notice too many errors either...
Curnow...played on Rich and did the job, Rich can hurt you when he gets the ball but Ed had him covered including a nice kick for goal
Docherty and Touhy..both good and the latter has improved as the season has gone on..
Tom Bell....very ordinary..
Schache.....missed some easy goals and will take time...Weitering is light years ahead of him as a footballer and it was a no brainer choice....
Early on, I thought that the Gorringe selection might have been a mistake by SOS.
Not anymore. I reckon he may become a real asset. Not a B&F bloke or anything like it, but a bloody good honest foot soldier that every team needs.
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Frankly, it was sickening to watch.
. . .
It was lazy, unacceptable football, reminiscent of the, dare I say it, Malthouse era.
I must have been at a different game ???
I thought that the effort, pressure, tackling, team defence and polished ball movement was as good as I have seen from a Carlton side in many years. Yes the opposition wasn't all that flash but they beat us by 64 points last time; that's a 102 point turnaround.
What gave me a great deal of satisfaction was watching our defence set up and effectively create a wall that Brisbane struggled to penetrate. The transition from zone to man on man was seamless. We did get touched up in the clearances but that's understandable with Kreuzer off and Gibbs blanketed by Robbo. Our pressure was so effective that Brisbane's clearance advantage was negated.
It might be a collarbone rather than a shoulder. I don't know enough about sports injuries or human anatomy, but I imagine a broken collarbone is less serious than a broken shoulder.
Yes, it was a broken collarbone.
What gave me a great deal of satisfaction was watching our defence set up and effectively create a wall that Brisbane struggled to penetrate. The transition from zone to man on man was seamless.
Thats what I thought at last weeks game. The back 6 are working in sync and for each other. It is where it all happens for us, Simmo is the on field general who sets it all up and tells his teams mates where they need to be and go. Teams will soon wake up to this and he will be targeted. It will be interesting to see how we cope and react to that when it occurs. I suspect though that the little man in the box has a plan for that too.
Some of the criticism is a little harsh I reckon. Lets face it, we aren't a contender just yet so no point judging us as one. Plenty of positive signs but we have a way to go yet. I think at the moment a win is a win and thats whats important from 1. a confidence point of view and 2. Belief in the system and the hard work required. I take today as a good win given where we are at and that we have played with 20 and 22 blokes respectively the last 2 weeks. Key blokes also I might add, especially Kreuzer today and blokes have stepped up and help carried the load. The days of relying on one man (ie C Judd) are over, everyone rolls up the sleeves and gets dirty and busy.
Rest up now and load up with a new plan for the Aints on Sunday.
Go Blues.
Club site says kruez will be monitored having been ill from half time, showing signs of concussion. So may be unavailable for saints.
Tommy Bell - would have been disappointing if he'd have hit targets and made smart decisions today. Luckily I wasn't disappointed.
Gibbs was clearly still suffering from last week. Hopefully he's back to his best next week but to win with a leg in the air effectively without Kruzer, Murphy or Gibbs would be more pleasing than anything else.
Lamb gets better. Dennis had another good one. Kerridge was down last week but good this week and Weitering was awesome. Wright has been an awesome freebie and Gorringe showing improvement.
Have we ever kicked straighter at Etihad?
A lot to like!
Yes, it was a broken collarbone.
yes, thanks Jim - out for 4 weeks apparently.
Yes, no malice in it at all. But i don't like seeing players get injured.
He's a grub and so is his old man.
Karma
Just looked at AFL Tables, we are 7th oldest in average age
NM 26.9
FR 25.9
HW 25.8
ES 25.7
WC 25.7
GE 25.4
CA 25.2
AD 25
PA 25
SY 24.9
RI 24.8
SK 24.6
CW 24.5
WB 24.4
GW 24.3
GC 24
ME 23.8
BL 23.7
This table annoys me. Average age is 23-27, hardly massive differences the numbers. It means absolutely nothing.
You can have old spuds and young spuds, older guns, young guns
Age means nothing in this game, yet we are obsessed by it.
We could have Kane Lucas or Mathew Wright?
Dennis Armfield or Mathew Watson?
He's a grub and so is his old man.
Karma
I know nothing of his old man, and I don't claim to follow the boy's career in great detail - but what I saw when he was at the Cats, I didn't see too much grubbiness - not on field, anyway...........
He's a grub and so is his old man.
Karma
And what would you know about Brendan, his old man. He never played AFL although he was a gun local league player. Allen's 2 uncles, Damo and Marty did.
Some observations.
Walker been playing for 13 years, still won't do a drop punt when running into an open goal. has to do the stupid curl it around his shoulder, through his legs, up his clacker kick, and then cracks it when he misses. Has never learnt, and will never learn.
Nick Graham, just not up to AFL level. He's the type of player that I describe as being too good for VFL, but not good enough for AFL.
Gibbs did his usual, I have played one great game, think I'll have a rest, thing.
Kerridge was unimpressive early, but got better and better as the game progressed to be one of our best.
Love Weitering, no more comment necessary.
Gorringe getting better around the ground, but still got no idea at the centre bounces.
Ploughman improving. Sam Doc, should get All Australian.
Now, I take into account the fact that they played out of their skins last week and there was a six day turnaround. I also take into account that playing at Etihad on what is a harder surface than the MCG, takes it out of players legs.
Notwithstanding all of that, they played like Millionaires in the last half, particularly in the last quarter. It should have been a 10 goal win which is about Brisbanes average losing margin this year. But it was a 38 point win, because they stuffed around with thoughtless play and stupid handball.
Frankly, it was sickening to watch.
Judging by Bolts understated comments at the Press conference, he is fully aware that what they produced particularly in the last quarter against a very ordinary team was not acceptable.
Let's just imagine for a moment that we are equal on points with another team after the last round. How are we going to feel if we finish 9th, but would have made the 8 had we kicked another 4 goals, or prevented Brisbane from scoring 4 goals in the last quarter as they did.
It was lazy, unacceptable football, reminiscent of the, dare I say it, Malthouse era.
As Bolts says, we are on a journey, and it is a continual learning process.
Lets hope that Bolton and the coaching staff can rid the players of this lazy type of play just because they think that they have a team on toast.
They have no better example than the way North dismantled Richmond on Friday night. Yes, Richmond had 3 down, but North put the screws in, and never let up, gaining a 70 point win.
That's what we should have done today.
Lets hope that the 7 day break and playing at 4.00 p.m. sees them coming out hard and tough and relentless against St. Kilda next week.
Almost forgot. LOVE BYRNE!!!!!!!!!!!
Smh
Some observations.
Gibbs did his usual, I have played one great game, think I'll have a rest, thing.
One good game??? Seriously pull your head in. He was well held today by Robbo, but his "one good game" has been a purple patch of a number of weeks. Amazing some people just can't wait to give him a clip. What a joke
Don't be too critical, it was obvious at last weeks game that playing the last 3 quarters 2 men down against a quality side we put in a massive effort, and i'm sure many guys did more game time and ran more km's than was planned, then we had the six day break, and a few guys looked like it really hurt them today, Gibbs the best example. But we fought together and won, yes the last quarter was a bit ugly, but i still enjoyed it. Winning is fun, and the guys are working so hard and getting reward, it will carry us well going forward
If Casboult gets cited for a late hit I expect the club to send a video of Robbo's even more blatant example from 30 seconds earlier to the MRP.
The umpire that failed to make the correct decision in the first place (pay the late hit) should also be held to account. This is what happens when obvious free kicks aren't paid.
That was pretty poor in any regards. Had the umpire, ANY of them umpires, paid the correct decision, then that would have been it. Unfortunately things were not done properly and things came directly from that.
Very interesting to see how this plays out.
Don't be too critical, it was obvious at last weeks game that playing the last 3 quarters 2 men down against a quality side we put in a massive effort, and i'm sure many guys did more game time and ran more km's than was planned, then we had the six day break, and a few guys looked like it really hurt them today, Gibbs the best example. But we fought together and won, yes the last quarter was a bit ugly, but i still enjoyed it. Winning is fun, and the guys are working so hard and getting reward, it will carry us well going forward
I agree.
One good game??? Seriously pull your head in. He was well held today by Robbo, but his "one good game" has been a purple patch of a number of weeks. Amazing some people just can't wait to give him a clip. What a joke
Agree 100% Shakin.....shook my head in disappointment when I read that comment.....
Hope you're right Prof. Common sense says he should be fine - it was late but just a bump mostly side-on. My concern is the AFL highlights of the game show the Levi bump on Robbo 3 or 4 times... and nothing is shown of the Robbo bump on Levi a minute earlier >:(
On recent history (and seeing as it's us) I wouldn't be surprised if the bastards give Levi a week though. He should've just punched Robbo in the nuts instead as that's apparently not an offence any more ::)
I find that very difficult to understand. How can hitting someone in the goolies NOT be reportable? And yet it was. I truly do not understand how this system is supposed to work. It has more holes in it than a Swiss Cheese.
I must have been at a different game ???
I thought that the effort, pressure, tackling, team defence and polished ball movement was as good as I have seen from a Carlton side in many years. Yes the opposition wasn't all that flash but they beat us by 64 points last time; that's a 102 point turnaround.
What gave me a great deal of satisfaction was watching our defence set up and effectively create a wall that Brisbane struggled to penetrate. The transition from zone to man on man was seamless. We did get touched up in the clearances but that's understandable with Kreuzer off and Gibbs blanketed by Robbo. Our pressure was so effective that Brisbane's clearance advantage was negated.
Thank you DJC.......I was beginning to think we must've lost (even though I was at the game 8))........some of our ball movement from coast-to-coast was as good as I've seen from any team this year, with forwards at times not finishing the good work done by others prior.
Umpiring was deadset rubbish in the 2nd half & gifted the Lions many scoring opportunities/denied us of just as many......absolutely horrible display from those 3 blokes.....bordering on cheating.
Whilst some players were a bit down, others ably stepped-up.....I love that aspect of our game today.
One good game??? Seriously pull your head in. He was well held today by Robbo, but his "one good game" has been a purple patch of a number of weeks. Amazing some people just can't wait to give him a clip. What a joke
Firstly, Shakin, I am entitled to my opinion.
You certainly have the right to disagree. The fact that you aren't able to do so without being abusive, is a character trait that you need to work on.
Secondly, overall, Gibbs has been an incredible disappointment for years. If he lacked ability, I could understand. If he was a number 110 draft pick, I could understand. If he was getting 150 grand a year I could understand.
But he doesn't lack ability, is a number 1 draft pick, and is on at least 500 grand a year.
He has been a pack skirter and receiver since day one. His lazy,careless shot at goal from 40 metres out on a slight angle when clear in the first quarter, was symptomatic of his whole career. And unlike Walker who swore like a trooper when he stupidly missed running into an open goal, Gibbs showed no emotion and shrugged off the miss as just one of those things.
This year, he has, in a few games, actually put his body on the line, and last week was probably the best, and most intense game he has played for us since he arrived at the club.
Now, I don't expect the intensity of last weeks level of performance from him every week, but it showed us what he has been capable of, but failed to deliver since he came to the club.
Just compare him to Kade Simpson.
Kade lacks the natural ability with which Gibbs is blessed, however, and once again in my opinion, I reckon he is probably the most courageous player for his size and weight who has played for Carlton since the great Ken Hunter.
And, unlike Gibbs, he has done it every week for 252 games.
I'm pleased that Gibbs has performed better this year than in previous years, but today, was a another performance of the Gibbsy of old.
Even you agree that "he was well held by Robbo", who doesn't have 10% of the ability in his whole body, that Gibbs has in his little finger. Perhaps 25% more effort by Gibbs, might have seen him have some effect on the game.
All that does is re-afirm my original comment about him.
First chance I've had to sit down in front of the machine and I find I do have a few cents worth to deliver.
[1] This was the largest winning margin we have had for years. It was not a great winning margin, but it wasn't a few points either. In the circumstances it was good enough.
[2] I was very pleased we won when we got so convincingly thrashed in the ruck. Kreuzer did a good job in the first half in keeping Martin and West under control, but we won few taps and even fewer to advantage. The centre square was a disaster, but we did better around the ground.
Brisbane had more than double our tap outs.
After half time, without Kreuzer, we struggled and they got centre clearances.
Even though we managed so few centre clearances we still managed to win.
I hope Phillips comes through tomorrow OK, we do need to be more competitive in this regard.
[3] Our defence can really stand tall tonight. Top effort from all of them, although Weitering's 14 marks does stand out. Our defence really won the game for us with the drive they managed to provide.
[4] Tom Rockliff: never have I seen 40+ possessions be so ineffective and so non-damaging. I can count the number of really effective possessions he had on one hand. Cripps managed less than 30, but more lethal. Each kick and handball HURT.
[4]
Firstly, Shakin, I am entitled to my opinion.
You certainly have the right to disagree. The fact that you aren't able to do so without being abusive, is a character trait that you need to work on.
Secondly, overall, Gibbs has been an incredible disappointment for years. If he lacked ability, I could understand. If he was a number 110 draft pick, I could understand. If he was getting 150 grand a year I could understand.
But he doesn't lack ability, is a number 1 draft pick, and is on at least 500 grand a year.
He has been a pack skirter and receiver since day one. His lazy,careless shot at goal from 40 metres out on a slight angle when clear in the first quarter, was symptomatic of his whole career. And unlike Walker who swore like a trooper when he stupidly missed running into an open goal, Gibbs showed no emotion and shrugged off the miss as just one of those things.
This year, he has, in a few games, actually put his body on the line, and last week was probably the best, and most intense game he has played for us since he arrived at the club.
Now, I don't expect the intensity of last weeks level of performance from him every week, but it showed us what he has been capable of, but failed to deliver since he came to the club.
Just compare him to Kade Simpson.
Kade lacks the natural ability with which Gibbs is blessed, however, and once again in my opinion, I reckon he is probably the most courageous player for his size and weight who has played for Carlton since the great Ken Hunter.
And, unlike Gibbs, he has done it every week for 252 games.
I'm pleased that Gibbs has performed better this year than in previous years, but today, was a another performance of the Gibbsy of old.
Even you agree that "he was well held by Robbo", who doesn't have 10% of the ability in his whole body, that Gibbs has in his little finger. Perhaps 25% more effort by Gibbs, might have seen him have some effect on the game.
All that does is re-afirm my original comment about him.
You clearly have no idea of what modern football is about, and what it takes to play it
[4] Tom Rockliff: never have I seen 40+ possessions be so ineffective and so non-damaging. I can count the number of really effective possessions he had on one hand. Cripps managed less than 30, but more lethal. Each kick and handball HURT.
I couldn't believe that he had so much of the ball. He did a couple of good things but I would have guessed that he had 15-20 disposals. I guess it shows how footy stats can be deceiving, particularly when so many possessions are uncontested and are simply switching the play. In his defence, his team-mates probably didn't capitalise on his work.
Cripps, on the other hand, took the game on and was creative and effective with his use of the ball.
For a long time we've relied on too few and if they didn't play well we would either get thumped or simply lose games that we possibly should have won.
I couldn't care less that Gibbs wasn't as good today, because it didn't matter. Others picked up the slack and we won easily, although packed up and went home a bit early - would have been nice to have a 10 goal win.
After Robbo's effort on Cas, followed by Cas' retaliation, I thought the last 5 minutes could get quite messy. While the retaliation was undisciplined, I thought it was great to see a big unit put physical pressure on.
Firstly, Shakin, I am entitled to my opinion.
You are entitled to your opinion, as are the coaches.
Before this round he was top 5 in the coaches votes for the year i believe, on something like 39 points (max 10 per game).
Reckon he's played more than 1 good game this year.
The rest of your post may well be true, but has nothing to do with your original comments.
Great team effort, albeit sloppy at times. What was even better was we did it without Gibbs and Kreuze having an impact, and no Murphy.
The lions pressure in the first quarter was top notch, but they couldn't sustain it nor convert on the scoreboard.
Rockliff amazes me with how ineffectual he was, Bell and Robbo didn't do much, which pleased me.
Weitering, take a bow son.
Kerridge, Cripps and Curnow really worked hard today
Den Den is playing some great footy
The luck of the irish in 2E and Byrne really impress me.
Gorringe getting better each week, bit early to call but i'd like to think he could be that Blicavs type midfielder for us.
Our back six is the best I've seen in a long while
Nicky G laid 7 tackles and went at 81% eff, will be better for the run
Walkers 3 behinds from i50 is not good enough
Thomas was quiet
bad Everitt showed up this week, hope good Everitt shows up next week
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM Lamb. 3 goals 0 behinds, getting better every week
Rowe is being thrown around a bit, and adapts. Is best on the gorillas or resting ruck
Cas wasnt sighted much.
Like i said really pleasing we won without MK, Gibbs and Murph and little output from Cas and Everitt
We are in Richmond's spot :P
Go Baggers
I expected to see much more joy in this thread. It was our biggest win of the year, the win put us to more wins than losses for the first time in over 3 years and we did it with out Murph and missing Kruezer for half the game. For me this was a very good win.
Weitering - He been very good all year long, but when he's in a forward line with kids his own age and experience JW looked a few levels above. I cannot wait until he's got 50 games under his belt, just imagining what he can do with experience.
Gorringe - Second game in a row he's done some very good things. Apart from being an athlete he has great hands, give a nice little handball to advantage and set up 3-4 running plays by doing so. He's no star in the ruck, but he seems to have strength in his wrist (keep it clean) and is able to tap to all areas of the clock, just a few kilos light. Kicks well, snap around the corner aside and his mark over the top of Casboult looked fantastic. He's is only 23/24 from memory so he's got a big upside. While I don't expect him to be a starting ruck, as a forward/ruck he could be just what we're looking for.
Docherty - Always liked Sam, has good wheels, good skills and now it seems like a switched has been flicked and he owns the game as well. Future captain.
Byrne - This man could be the best Irish player ever. I'd like to see him lose a kilo or two just to make him even faster. Again looking ahead with a half back line of Docherty, Weitering and Byrne for the next 10 years, with Plowman (who had a stinker) and getting those "shared games" into this group, it could almost be a Geelong type backline.
Lamb - Best game in Navy Blue, pressure, goals, and some attitude to go along with it. Kicks nicely to a forwards advantage too, although he seems to be fixated on getting the ball to Walker.
Armfield - I just love watching an uninjured Dennis go about it, pace, hardness and pressure. Sure he's not the most skilled guy in the world, but ask Menzel how his skills are working out for him, without the drive and determination.
Cripps - You can tell he's not right and he's still delivering that type of a game, again crystal ball to 2018 and look out AFL.
Have to agree with Brettie the umpiring was woeful and it might end up costing Casboult a week for his hit on Robbo. If the previous hit from Robbo had been paid as it should of then that never would have happened.
While talking hits, how good was Walkers hip and shoulder on Christiansen?
I think the relative restraint being shown on here is down to the fact that we scarcely can believe what's been happening and we don't want to break the magic spell!
From what I've been seeing, and you can pick holes if you want, I'm cautiously optimistic and can't wait for the next installment of this fascinating story. BB certainly looks to be ushering in a new era at our club but shshsh!
Gorringe - Second game in a row he's done some very good things. Apart from being an athlete he has great hands, give a nice little handball to advantage and set up 3-4 running plays by doing so. He's no star in the ruck, but he seems to have strength in his wrist (keep it clean) and is able to tap to all areas of the clock, just a few kilos light. Kicks well, snap around the corner aside and his mark over the top of Casboult looked fantastic. He's is only 23/24 from memory so he's got a big upside. While I don't expect him to be a starting ruck, as a forward/ruck he could be just what we're looking for.
Can Gorringe play the type of role Blicavs does at Geelong?
I expected to see much more joy in this thread. It was our biggest win of the year, the win put us to more wins than losses for the first time in over 3 years and we did it with out Murph and missing Kruezer for half the game. For me this was a very good win.
The lions outscored us in the second half. When our percentage is as low as it is, we need to put these terrible sides away. We had the final margin on them in the 1st quarter and couldn't go on with in.
We were sloppy.
Had we played like that last week, we would've lost.
Happy to get the win, but hardly a win to b ecstatic about.
The lions outscored us in the second half. When our percentage is as low as it is, we need to put these terrible sides away. We had the final margin on them in the 1st quarter and couldn't go on with in.
We were sloppy.
Had we played like that last week, we would've lost.
Happy to get the win, but hardly a win to b ecstatic about.
We were a bit sloppy at times I agree, and I hate to say it but one of the offenders here was one of last week's heroes in Sammy Docherty, among a number of others, who made plenty of mistakes from what I saw. But I will cut some slack since the Lions were always under control and last week's efforts were mighty and obviously took a fair bit out of us. The test will be to see if we can bounce back next week and give the Saints a seeing-to.
Tough crowd to please on here, I'm ecstatic about every win these days, I love this winning caper, don't care how we get em ATM.
Tough crowd to please on here, I'm ecstatic about every win these days, I love this winning caper, don't care how we get em ATM.
Yes, given where we started from in the pre season, given all the changes, predictions etc., any win is a good win. This particular win wasn't pretty, it wasn't convincing, but it was good.
Tough crowd to please on here, I'm ecstatic about every win these days, I love this winning caper, don't care how we get em ATM.
Don't get me wrong GTC, I was
VERY happy with the win! :)
What was wrong with Plowmans game?
He has not missed a beat since he came in the side, makes good decisions, plays above his size and another calm head back there.
Was a good win, and since we were expected to win we usually fall over.
The back line looks great with Doullherty, Plowby (Southby) and Weiters plus the others looks soooo settled.
Love the way we transition the ball, run in waves AND spot up a leading forward instead of bombing it. A leading forward? who would've thought it would've worked?
On the Cas bump (and that is all it was) on Robbo (Robbo was Robbo-ed LOL) I think Bolton would've given Cas a big pat on the back.
The days of pushing around and cheap shotting a Carlton player are over. >:D
The lions outscored us in the second half. When our percentage is as low as it is, we need to put these terrible sides away. We had the final margin on them in the 1st quarter and couldn't go on with in.
We were sloppy.
Had we played like that last week, we would've lost.
Happy to get the win, but hardly a win to b ecstatic about.
After last year, I get ecstatic about any win :)
Yes, we were outscored in the second half . . . by one point! And some very dubious umpiring decisions cost us goals and gifted goals to Brisbane.
I didn't see much of the Brisbane-Hawthorn game but they matched the Hawks for three quarters on the scoreboard. We blew them away in the first quarter. Did Brisbane play that inexplicable "retain possession at all costs" game against Hawthorn?
I thought we were sloppy in the first quarter (how many times did we have kicks smothered?) but improved as the game went on.
Robbo did well as a tagger and can add Gibbs' scalp to that of Mitchell's from last week. It was interesting that Bolton had Gibbs in defence for a while, presumably to get Robbo out of the game.
We missed a few shots, a couple of players were down, Kreuzer's second half absence hurt, but the positives far outweighed the negatives.
Another pleasing win despite not being as sharp but that will happen. Have to remember that the Lions only really constructed a couple of their goals and the rest were hacks off the ground and 50 metre penalties.
As long as we are showing signs every week I am happy. Some of the end to end stuff we engineered was great, Gorringe taking some grabs and doing some nice things. Kerridge stepping up when needed etc.
First half was awesome, second half we struggled a bit without Kreuzer.
What was wrong with Plowmans game?
He has not missed a beat since he came in the side, makes good decisions, plays above his size and another calm head back there.
... and didn't have a pre-season.
He has picked up Bolton's game plan really well... along with Simpson and Docherty, does a lot of "troop marshalling" out there.
All of SOS's GWS boys have made a contribution this year.
Perhaps the one who has surprised me the most is Lamb.
Maybe that's the thing to remember about the gws boys. Early 20s but played bugger all games due to injuries and so many other talented players to compete with . High draft picks though and now getting some game time. Their bodies and minds have had a chance to develop so they should develop quite quickly now. Give them a bunch of games together this year and then hopefully a good preseason and who knows what they'll be next year. Might be a genius move by SOS. Add to that what looks like some very nice talent from last draft and who knows... it might be the super draft and trade period every successful club needs.
I feel remiss about not commenting on Nick Graham's game in my voting summary. It is because I didn't think he stood out. However, as he was a mid roving to a ruck combo that was well beaten, he wasn't going to get the clearances he can get. He had a very solid 7 tackles and worked well.
There are areas of his game I'd like to see him improve on, but he wasn't a spud.
Bottom line is that we really did not play all that well yesterday but what was really pleasing is that for the first time in yonks, we were inconsistent yet still won and won well.
This table annoys me. Average age is 23-27, hardly massive differences the numbers. It means absolutely nothing.
You can have old spuds and young spuds, older guns, young guns
Age means nothing in this game, yet we are obsessed by it.
We could have Kane Lucas or Mathew Wright?
Dennis Armfield or Mathew Watson?
Thank the gods someone has said this and said it well. I was scanning through the posts and was, when reading all the comments about age, about to say exactly the same thing. This age thing is just such a small issue. Premierships have been won by old teams, young teams and teams with a mix. Wooden spoons have been collected by old teams, young team and teams with a mix. To put such emphasis on age and try to explain significant results due to it is simply bullshizen.
Don't agree with posts focusing on the negatives about yesterday's game.
We are in year one of a major rebuild and most experts predicated us to be easy beats and lucky to win more then a few games.
Coming off a 6 day break after knocking off the flag favorite last week all while playing most of the game with half a bench i thought yesterday was another step forward.
Wasn't a faultless performance but considering how taxing last week would have been and again losing a crucial player for half the game I was pleased to take a comfortable win, lick our wounds and move to next week.
I couldn't be happier where we are at the moment. Taking the points when 3 of your best in Kruezer, Gibbs and Murphy have no influence at all on the result is yet another sign of how far we have come in such a short time.
Go blues.
Cant agree with these sorts of posts.
We are in year one of a major rebuild and most experts predicated us to be easy beats and lucky to win more then a few games.
Coming off a 6 day break after knocking off the flag favorite last week all while playing most of the game with half a bench i thought yesterday was another step forward.
Wasn't a faultless performance but considering how taxing last week would have been and again losing a crucial player for half the game I was pleased to take a comfortable win, lick our wounds and move to next week.
I couldn't be happier where we are at the moment. Taking the points when 3 of your best in Kruezer, Gibbs and Murphy have no influence at all on the result is yet another sign of how far we have come in such a short time.
Go blues.
Not sure what this post had to do with mine which you quoted. ???
Sorry Kruddler picked the wrong post - Wasn't even one of yours I was replying to. ;D
Will try and edit now
Don't get me wrong GTC, I was VERY happy with the win! :)
No probs Cookie, I get it, just saying IMO, we shouldn't judge/scrutinise us as you would if we were a contender (ie finals, top 4, GF etc). Right now, if after the siren sounds to end the game, we have more points that the opo, I'll be as happy as a pig in cacca! Its that simple for me.
I have been banging on about the back six and how settled they are and how for me, thats a big part of the way we are playing and where we are right now. But can I add how ruthless we are when the other nob turn it over. We are feral at making them pay ATM. The speed at which we get the ball, move it fwd and more often than not get it to a bloke that has escaped out the back is exciting to watch. Lamb, Wright and Sumner have been great additions with their ability to sneak out the back.
It seemed to me that Casboult's run up to take marks was being jeopardized. By the time he flew he was invariably out of balance. I wonder if this is s strategy opponents have worked out!
Of course he scares the to death and because of this focus on Levi there are opportunities for Walker and Gorringe.
If there is a strategy employed against the 'foremost contested Marker' as he is called, the brain thrust wiwll need to offer a counter strategy.
I liked that bit of mongrel when he tit for tat against Robinson - though it be too crude.
I love the way Levi hits the packs. It helps if the brave carry buises!
I would like to put a word in for Gibbs.
Gibbs was in the thick of it - alwyas one of the two or three Blues who laid a tackle. Great commitment.
When the Ball was loose and scrambled for, Gibbs was in there and his flicks and hits made opportunties for others.
Gibbs made a great contribution and it went on all day. Just that some days even for an immensely talented guy like Gibbs, it does not turn out to be pretty.
I would like to put a word in for Gibbs.
Gibbs was in the thick of it - alwyas one of the two or three Blues who laid a tackle. Great commitment.
When the Ball was loose and scrambled for, Gibbs was in there and his flicks and hits made opportunties for others.
Gibbs made a great contribution and it went on all day. Just that some days even for an immensely talented guy like Gibbs, it does not turn out to be pretty.
I think also the extreme effort he put in the week before probably was still affecting him.
I was at the game and you could tell the boys were flat - so I'm thrilled with the win.
They played a blinder last week and I wouldn't have been surprised if they were overrun yesterday but they weren't and we still won by over 6 goals.
Very happy blue here O0
Special mention to Mitch Robinson today.
His blind hack kicks to a position that no one is in worked in our favour this time.
He is a very frustrating player to have on your team and I noticed on more than one occasion that we let him have the ball but applied pressure to him resulting in an errant turnover.
Tough crowd to please on here, I'm ecstatic about every win these days, I love this winning caper, don't care how we get em ATM.
X 2. A win's a win's a win. Winners are grinners in my world.
We've had more of the pearls already than all of last year. Couldn't be happier ;D ;D ;D
Go Blues
What was wrong with Plowmans game?
He has not missed a beat since he came in the side, makes good decisions, plays above his size and another calm head back there.
Defends well, lacks a yard of pace and shouldnt fiddle with the ball as he doesnt have the smarts to sell candy...sometimes takes too long to wind up for handpasses.
If he keeps defending well like he is but gives the ball off quicker to other running defenders there wont be anything wrong with his game.....
First half was awesome, second half we struggled a bit without Kreuzer.
First half was just average IMO....Brisbane are rubbish and we were let off the hook by sloppy disposal and poor goalkicking..
2nd half we did struggle without Kruezer and they destroyed us out of the middle but they have zero up forward and couldnt convert and we rebounded well
and caught them on the break with the overlap player.
It was a win and happy to get the 4 points ,Brisbane have been a nuisance team in recent seasons but if we rock up and play the same vs Stkilda we will lose as they have more
forward power than Brisbane and we cant let them have so many easy shots on goal...
You clearly have no idea of what modern football is about, and what it takes to play it
Your statement displays that you clearly have no idea how to put forward a contrary argument to mine.
You are entitled to your opinion, as are the coaches.
Before this round he was top 5 in the coaches votes for the year i believe, on something like 39 points (max 10 per game).
Reckon he's played more than 1 good game this year.
The rest of your post may well be true, but has nothing to do with your original comments.
I would have thought that by living in a democracy as I still believe we do Kruddler, everyone is entitled to an opinion, as long as like you have done, it is expressed in a decent manner.
As far as Gibbs being in the "top 5 in the coaches votes for the year", let's take a good look at that.
Aside from the Richmond game, we were beaten easily in all our other losses. Gibbs may well have received a few votes in the 5 losses as I am sure that aside from the Richmond game, the coaches would have struggled to find good contributors.
He would definitely have received votes in our wins, because, once again aside from yesterday, as I said in my post, he played well.
My comment was directed at the fact that yesterdays effort by Gibbs was typical of much of his output since his first day at the club.
Had you comprehended and understood what I wrote, then you would have noted that I said that I wouldn't expect him to put in the same effort yesterday, that he did last week. In fact, in Gibbs' case, once again, based on his past performances, and unless the coaches headed by Bolton can convince Gibbs that he has all the skill and ability in the world to perform at the elite level like he did against Geelong, I believe that we might not see a performance from him like that again this year. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
The rest of my post was completely relevant as I compared Kade Simpson to Gibbs.
Since this site was started, I reckon that you can count on the fingers of one hand how many times Kade has been criticised for his lack of intestinal fortitude or lack of genuine effort in a game.
On the other hand, Gibbs has been knocked from pillar to post on here, many times week after week, for gutless insipid efforts. Hence his nickname among many supporters of "Princess".
If Gibbs displayed 50% of the courage and determination of Simmo, he would be a true champion.
In my opinion, he has never realised his real talent, and our football club has been the poorer for it.
I hope that this and the coming years, will see Gibbs turn into the player that he has all the talent and ability in the world to be.
in the phantom brownlow Bryce scored 1 point in first five rounds
dnt understand the gibbs hatred people are stupid
http://www.phantombrownlowmedal.com.au/phantom-brownlow-standings
If Casboult gets cited for a late hit I expect the club to send a video of Robbo's even more blatant example from 30 seconds earlier to the MRP.
The umpire that failed to make the correct decision in the first place (pay the late hit) should also be held to account. This is what happens when obvious free kicks aren't paid.
Just watched Fox commentary on MRP incidents. No mention of the big Cas - here's hoping commonsense will prevail (undisciplined as it was - very satisfying from where I sat :))
Just watched Fox commentary on MRP incidents. No mention of the big Cas - here's hoping commonsense will prevail (undisciplined as it was - very satisfying from where I sat :))
The umps really hit us over that one though via a series of free kicks ending with one right in front and a resulting goal. >:(
I would have thought that by living in a democracy as I still believe we do Kruddler, everyone is entitled to an opinion, as long as like you have done, it is expressed in a decent manner.
As far as Gibbs being in the "top 5 in the coaches votes for the year", let's take a good look at that.
Aside from the Richmond game, we were beaten easily in all our other losses. Gibbs may well have received a few votes in the 5 losses as I am sure that aside from the Richmond game, the coaches would have struggled to find good contributors.
He would definitely have received votes in our wins, because, once again aside from yesterday, as I said in my post, he played well.
My comment was directed at the fact that yesterdays effort by Gibbs was typical of much of his output since his first day at the club.
Had you comprehended and understood what I wrote, then you would have noted that I said that I wouldn't expect him to put in the same effort yesterday, that he did last week. In fact, in Gibbs' case, once again, based on his past performances, and unless the coaches headed by Bolton can convince Gibbs that he has all the skill and ability in the world to perform at the elite level like he did against Geelong, I believe that we might not see a performance from him like that again this year. I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
R1 - 4 votes
R2 - 0
R3 - 0
R4 - 0
R5 - 2
R6 - 9
R7 - 5
R8 - 10
R9 - 0
R10 - 10
Your contention is that because Bryce had a good game, he wouldn't back it up.
Those votes suggest that that contention is incorrect.
As for efforts prior to this year....you could use that example for everyone on our list, with the exception of Simpson.
Comparing Gibbs to Simpson is also a little unfair as compared to Simpson, you wouldn't be able to find more than maybe a hanful of players in the league who'd put in more effort.
Facts are Bryce is playing better, and more consistent this year than ever. He deserves some credit for it.
FYI...
COaches votes after R10...
49 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
47 Todd Goldstein (NM)
44 Patrick Dangerfield (Geel)
40 Bryce Gibbs (Carl)
39 Joel Selwood (Geel)
38 Luke Shuey (WC)
38 Rory Sloane (Adel)
37 Jack Viney (Melb)
36 Tom Lynch (GC)
36 Dustin Martin (Rich)
36 Jack Ziebell (NM)
Comparing Gibbs to Simpson is also a little unfair as compared to Simpson, you wouldn't be able to find more than maybe a hanful of players in the league who'd put in more effort.
Facts are Bryce is playing better, and more consistent this year than ever. He deserves some credit for it.
Was it this time last year that folk were calling on Simpson to retire because he wasn't up to it anymore?
I was having a chat with some folk in the social club and they just don't get the continual, and in their opinion, unjustified criticism of Gibbs by a small but vocal minority. He got a standing ovation at the members function after the Geelong game. I guess all those folk just don't realise how poor he is.
When Gibbs won the B & F in 2014, the critics claimed that he only played well to get a better contract. What a load of bollocks! Anyone who knows anything about AFL and elite sportspeople knows that they give their all every time they take the field - unless they've been nobbled.
Some supporters are only really happy when they have someone to bag and our performances and Gibbs' form must really be getting up some noses.
As you say Kruddler, Gibbs deserves some credit.
As I've said elsewhere, he's a divisive character that Bryce..........
As I've said elsewhere, he's a divisive character that Bryce..........
And no-one's going to change their mind :)
And no-one's going to change their mind :)
No, opinions on him are pretty entrenched.
in the phantom brownlow Bryce scored 1 point in first five rounds
dnt understand the gibbs hatred people are stupid
http://www.phantombrownlowmedal.com.au/phantom-brownlow-standings
Its not hatred mate. Its just utter frustration.
We've all witnessed over the past "crape house" years, snippets of what he is capable of.
This year he has been fantastic. Wasnt great yesterday but overall he's had a great year.
What us " nay sayers" are fearful of is that he'll fall back into coasting mode which he's shown plenty of times before.
Its not hatred mate. Its just utter frustration.
We've all witnessed over the past "crape house" years, snippets of what he is capable of.
This year he has been fantastic. Wasnt great yesterday but overall he's had a great year.
What us " nay sayers" are fearful of is that he'll fall back into coasting mode which he's shown plenty of times before.
This is what I don't get. Was he coasting in 2014? Have any of his coaches said that he coasts? What roles did his coaches assign him? Has he been played out of position by successive coaches?
A player who coasts would have been shown the door long ago.
The amazing thing about this game is that when the draw came out, I thought it was going to be our first real chance for a win in 2016.
I was wrong, it was our 6th..... :)) :)) :))
Didn't really play all that well and still won by 38 points coasting.....
Please don't wake me up
Defends well, lacks a yard of pace and shouldnt fiddle with the ball as he doesnt have the smarts to sell candy...sometimes takes too long to wind up for handpasses.
This is excrement.
Was it this time last year that folk were calling on Simpson to retire because he wasn't up to it anymore?
I was having a chat with some folk in the social club and they just don't get the continual, and in their opinion, unjustified criticism of Gibbs by a small but vocal minority. He got a standing ovation at the members function after the Geelong game. I guess all those folk just don't realise how poor he is.
When Gibbs won the B & F in 2014, the critics claimed that he only played well to get a better contract. What a load of bollocks! Anyone who knows anything about AFL and elite sportspeople knows that they give their all every time they take the field - unless they've been nobbled.
Some supporters are only really happy when they have someone to bag and our performances and Gibbs' form must really be getting up some noses.
As you say Kruddler, Gibbs deserves some credit.
I've got a problem with Gibbs consistency - especially against top teams. His game against Geelong was pretty much his best ever. Good luck to him - hope he's turned the corner.
But to suggest there's a big conspiracy out there to get Bryce Gibbs - give me a spell. He didn't turn up last year and even in his good years he'd admit himself he's been too inconsistent against the better teams.
I think there's something of a 'short memory syndrome' about the place. I said in the pre-game thread Saturday's was a game the OLD Carlton was a monty to lose.
Between 2009-2014 we would win a couple, face up against a team going nowhere (usually an interstate club) only for our players to spend the game wondering if they've left the oven on at home.
Just goes to show how much of this game is between the ears. Guess it also shows what can happen when the captain of the ship manages to steer it in the right direction.
Agree that we still made mistakes yesterday, but we're not going in to our shell anymore. We were more scared of ourselves than we were of the opposition in years gone by.
I'm loving watching us play compared with the last few years - how could you not be?
Couple of things I'd prefer NOT to see:
- Cripps grabbing the ball out of the ruck. If he grabs the ball from the bounce/throw in, to whom should he dish it off? Cripps? He gets caught a lot doing this.
- Walker needs to realise he's taken his one MoTY. Stay down son and gather the tasty morsels tossed your way by Ogre Caz.
I've got a problem with Gibbs consistency - especially against top teams. His game against Geelong was pretty much his best ever. Good luck to him - hope he's turned the corner.
But to suggest there's a big conspiracy out there to get Bryce Gibbs - give me a spell. He didn't turn up last year and even in his good years he'd admit himself he's been too inconsistent against the better teams.
No, there's no big conspiracy. Just a couple of folk who have a different opinion to most.
But you're right, he didn't turn up for 12 games last season.
This is what I don't get. Was he coasting in 2014? Have any of his coaches said that he coasts? What roles did his coaches assign him? Has he been played out of position by successive coaches?
A player who coasts would have been shown the door long ago.
AFL players don't coast. It's a weak argument for players that look laconic. Do people with any intelligence think that a player (any player) thinks I did enough last week so I can go half paced today? Please.
With Gibbs the haters will find a reason to criticise his performance. Sit there with the remote with the pause button looking for a reason to give him a clip.
And re Simpson people have very short memories. The season he went to half back from the midfield posters saw his drop in disposals as a lack of effort. No surprise who the most vocal poster was
After the Geelong game one of Brisbane's goals for the week would have been to put a fair bit of effort into working out how to curtail Gibbs. ;)
The days of relying on one man (ie C Judd) are over, everyone rolls up the sleeves and gets dirty and busy.
Made me think, imagine if Juddy were playing in this team at the moment! He would be loving it I reckon, and probably be favorite for the Brownlow as well !!
It's a crying shame his last years were wasted under Malthouse.
We had the game under control by half time, which was lucky, coz the 2nd half was pretty scrappy.
Murph out, Gibbs quiet, No Kreuzer in the 2nd half, this was a game won on the efforts of some of our lesser lights and our latest number 1 pick.
Another pretty even team effort overall, which is becoming a bit of a theme for this side, which in itself is a good thing.
2nd week in a row to score over 100 points is also very encouraging !!
It's our small forwards who are doing the most damage.
There are a lot of green shoots sprouting all over the place for the Blues, lots to get excited about, a good chance for another win next week......
Go Blues !!
Made me think, imagine if Juddy were playing in this team at the moment! He would be loving it I reckon, and probably be favorite for the Brownlow as well !!
It's a crying shame his last years were wasted under Malthouse.
There is just no arguing with such indisputable logic!
It was like rolling up to your birthday party to find someone had crap on the cake! :(
After the Geelong game one of Brisbane's goals for the week would have been to put a fair bit of effort into working out how to curtail Gibbs. ;)
Shows how important depth can be! :)
Is it reasonable / fair / relevant to compare Gibbs' output to some of his contemporaries ?
AFL players don't coast. It's a weak argument for players that look laconic.
I can vividly recall screamong to Jezza to tun faste,r as he seemed to just lope along. But he always got there and was never caught. You are right, some players seem to run urgently to get there and others have a different style. Certainly some just cannot run fast but make up for it in other ways - Greg Williams !
No, there's no big conspiracy. Just a couple of folk who have a different opinion to most.
But you're right, he didn't turn up for 12 games last season.
Who did turn up last year?
It was a lost year, i've heard it mentioned that players felt they have wasted the last couple of years... maybe that has something to do with our turn-around this year.
I can vividly recall screamong to Jezza to tun faste,r as he seemed to just lope along. But he always got there and was never caught. You are right, some players seem to run urgently to get there and others have a different style. Certainly some just cannot run fast but make up for it in other ways - Greg Williams !
I used to go to games just to watch Jesaulenko coast. In fact, I used to go to the Celtic Club to watch him coast up to the bar ;)
Great players like Jezza give the impression of coasting because they have the awareness, balance, judgement to get the ball and use it well despite opposition pressure.
This is excrement.
Is that your way of saying you dont agree....its a forum for opinion if you dont like mine so be it...
Is it reasonable / fair / relevant to compare Gibbs' output to some of his contemporaries ?
Nope.
Its not fair to compare anyone to anyone.
They all have different strengths, weaknesses and abilities.
One of Gibbs is being a classy finisher and he didnt cover himself with glory in that regard on the weekend, but thats not necessarily a product of desire which is why he is being lambasted, but rather a product of having put in a herculean effort the week prior only to not be able to back up.
Some blokes are happy doing that week in and week out. Others are not.
The fact that Brisbane came up with a plan to stop him (and it worked to a degree) is not a slight on Gibbs. Sooner or later the best players have an off week. Gibbs is not going to be regarded as one of the games greatest and wears more criticism because he was a number 1 draft pick and was selected ahead of Joel Selwood.
The measure of a player is what they do when they have an off week. We will all agree that this week was potentially one of Gibbs worst 4 quarter performances as a player, but he still found a way to contribute, and thats important in itself. Blokes who are not trying don't get 6 tackles to their name. Graham ended up with 7 and Ed Curnow finished with 12 with Gibbs 3rd. Happy enough to get down and get dirty when he couldnt find the ball himself, and thats enough I think. Play your role, and do what you can.
Nope.
Its not fair to compare anyone to anyone.
They all have different strengths, weaknesses and abilities.
One of Gibbs is being a classy finisher and he didnt cover himself with glory in that regard on the weekend, but thats not necessarily a product of desire which is why he is being lambasted, but rather a product of having put in a herculean effort the week prior only to not be able to back up.
Some blokes are happy doing that week in and week out. Others are not.
The fact that Brisbane came up with a plan to stop him (and it worked to a degree) is not a slight on Gibbs. Sooner or later the best players have an off week. Gibbs is not going to be regarded as one of the games greatest and wears more criticism because he was a number 1 draft pick and was selected ahead of Joel Selwood.
The measure of a player is what they do when they have an off week. We will all agree that this week was potentially one of Gibbs worst 4 quarter performances as a player, but he still found a way to contribute, and thats important in itself. Blokes who are not trying don't get 6 tackles to their name. Graham ended up with 7 and Ed Curnow finished with 12 with Gibbs 3rd. Happy enough to get down and get dirty when he couldnt find the ball himself, and thats enough I think. Play your role, and do what you can.
What he said!
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-2016-geelong-may-go-to-tribunal-to-defend-tom-hawkins-20160606-gpcx4x.html
Of relevance to us is the 2nd last and 3rd last paragraphs. Zorko cops a $1000 fine for striking Daisy. Ditto Casboult for rough conduct against Robbo.
While I think that it would be more appropriate for the umpire who failed to award Levi a free kick to be fined $1000, it's probably money well spent in the long run.
I have paid quite a lot of attention to our forward line hoppo-bumpo that takes place before every centre bounce and it is very clear that the defenders give Levi a wide berth. I suspect that his square up with Robbo might just make opponents a little more circumspect when Levi is around.
As for Hawkins;
The punch caught Davis in the throat and the match review panel ruled it was intentional conduct, with low impact to the head.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-2016-geelong-may-go-to-tribunal-to-defend-tom-hawkins-20160606-gpcx4x.html#ixzz4AnXe8EUt
They showed the video ad nauseum on Talking Footy and it was evident that Hawkins's fist hit the point of Davis's jaw before slamming into his throat. One week is getting off lightly in my opinion.