Hard for me to comment on the Fremantle game as I didn't see any of it. However good or bad it was, we now to face North Melbourne at Etihad next Sunday evening and they appear to be finding some form.
Hopefully we can learn from our mistakes and move forward.
According to the latest information, Rowe has done an Anterior Cruciate. He could miss 4 week up to 10 weeks. That may give Jones an opportunity in defence.
Out Rowe and in Liam Jones to a key defensive post.
Jones in down back..... the Northern Blues forward line in up front ;D
Could be that with Rowe out we could see Jones swapping back/forward with Weitering and doing some rucking. Think I will go along even though I don't like Sunday evening footy.
According to the latest information, Rowe has done an Anterior Cruciate. He could miss 4 week up to 10 weeks. That may give Jones an opportunity in defence.
Excuse my ignorance but isn't that an ACL?
How's that a 4-10 week injury?
Yes, it is an ACL. However, it was reported that Rowe would not need surgery, hence the small time period. If further scans suggest that there is more than a small tear, then he will need surgery and that becomes a season long injury.
The club has not made their knowledge clear, but a 4 - 10 week result would be the best possible outcome. We don't often get the 'best possible outcome'. But until it is clear as to whether he has torn the thing the whole way through, people will have their fingers crossed. I, on the other hand, would be getting ready to see Rowe again in 2018. :(
Really worried about this game, norf full of Neanderthals that love beating us up. Id be resting SOJ, weeters and impressing upon the crew to take zero crap from Higgans, Waite, Ziebell, Cunningham, Thompson et al. Any jumper punches should get the Yaz response... Bang!
Ziebell "I'm just playing the ball when I smash a bloke high and late" needs to be dealt with, as all snipers should.
please stop kicking the long ball into our fwd 50 ,jake carlisle played his best game for saints cause of this type of entry and we saw how many times freo marked our long kicks also ,Stop the long bomb into fwd line try something different this week .
please stop kicking the long ball into our fwd 50 ,jake carlisle played his best game for saints cause of this type of entry and we saw how many times freo marked our long kicks also ,Stop the long bomb into fwd line try something different this week .
Freo seemed to have numbers back and we fell into the trap of bombing the footy...need to move the ball quicker, they were on top in the middle which didnt help.
They rebounded the footy better than us, Simpson was quiet IMO and we lacked run from half back...
Really worried about this game, norf full of Neanderthals that love beating us up. Id be resting SOJ, weeters and impressing upon the crew to take zero crap from Higgans, Waite, Ziebell, Cunningham, Thompson et al. Any jumper punches should get the Yaz response... Bang!
Ziebell "I'm just playing the ball when I smash a bloke high and late" needs to be dealt with, as all snipers should.
North are not that good but they do have a different look with Waite back in the team..Ben Brown has been marking everything and with Rowe out I reckon he is the bloke we need to watch.
They are good up forward but less impressive on the ball and down back IMO....Goldstein usually does well against us but I think Kruezer is in decent form and be competitive....
I'd like to see two bigger players in this week...maybe Jones and Jaksch or Jones and Philips.......
Tarrant took a lot of uncontested marks last time we played North and I'd want some more competition in the air down forward other than just Casboult....
Freo seemed to have numbers back and we fell into the trap of bombing the footy...need to move the ball quicker, they were on top in the middle which didnt help.
They rebounded the footy better than us, Simpson was quiet IMO and we lacked run from half back...
I get the feeling EB that BB has implemented the short kicking game as another step in the journey.
Teach the boys how to kick accurately under pressure. Can't create that pressure at training.
It is a major change in the way our team plays so I feel it is an educational philosophy.
Just need to bring in McKay or Kerr for a lead up forward for the next phase of kick the ball accurately and fast coming out of defence and bring it in the forward line quickly to honour the leads.
At the moment we just need to hold our nerve when we have the ball looking at entering the F50.
Took a few years for Daniher to work out for the Scum >:(
Norp could be MRP whacked and whacked severely!
If the MRP have any balls and take any notice of the media or AFL executive then Scott's whining will be for nought.
The knives are out condemning the Norp tactics, all Scott has succeeded in doing is putting them into focus.
Cunnington hurt his knee and although he came back he may not pull up this week. He is their major ball winner.
North are not that good but they do have a different look with Waite back in the team..Ben Brown has been marking everything and with Rowe out I reckon he is the bloke we need to watch.
They are good up forward but less impressive on the ball and down back IMO....Goldstein usually does well against us but I think Kruezer is in decent form and be competitive....
I'd like to see two bigger players in this week...maybe Jones and Jaksch or Jones and Philips.......
Tarrant took a lot of uncontested marks last time we played North and I'd want some more competition in the air down forward other than just Casboult....
With Rowe out probably for the year we could use Jones in two ways. One as a back up ruckman, and move Weitering back, or as a key defender. Both roles he's been outstanding in in the VFL. Wouldn't mind Jaskch or McKay in as well to go forward with Casboult. That will give us better competition in the air. Phillips doesn't give us anything other win a few taps and take Kreuzer, who's having a ripping year, unnecessarily off the ball for much longer periods.
Excuse my ignorance but isn't that an ACL?
How's that a 4-10 week injury?
Confirmed Season Over for Rowey.
With Rowe out probably for the year we could use Jones in two ways. One as a back up ruckman, and move Weitering back, or as a key defender. Both roles he's been outstanding in in the VFL. Wouldn't mind Jaskch or McKay in as well to go forward with Casboult. That will give us better competition in the air. Phillips doesn't give us anything other win a few taps and take Kreuzer, who's having a ripping year, unnecessaril off the ball for much longer periods.
Jaksch, Harry or Jones it doesnt matter, they just have to stop Tarrant , Thompson and the like taking easy uncontested marks especially when we blindly bomb the footy and Casboult is out of the contest...
re: Jones, dont want to see him on the last line of defence, prefer him at CHB where if he does something silly it wont cost as much....I know he has been in good form but senior AFL footy is different and you get less time to think....thinking being Jones major problem...
A. Silvagni and Plowman are more your last line defenders IMO...
Fingers crossed that whatever leg injury Jones left the field with late on Sunday wasn't too bad as he's a monty to replace Rowe.
I'm heading down for this game, I'm really hoping there won't be a repeat of last years thrashing. A win would be a pleasant surprise !!
We will miss Rowe. He has been very solid in the last 2 seasons.
However, his injury does give us the opportunity to try a few things:
[1] Weitering back into defence and another of our talls to go forward.
[2] Liam Jones to go back into defence.
[3] Kristian Jaksch to come in, where he can go forward or back.
[4] Harry Macreadie to come in and take a role in defence.
[5] Simon White to return.
[6] We could bring in a smaller defender, like Sheahan or Buckley, where the opposition does not have many taller forwards. For that matter, Ciaran Byrne will be back soon and won't take all of the 2nd half of the season to reclaim a spot.
We haven't had options like these for a long time, and although we are still taking baby steps, the mere fact that don't have an unfillable hole in our defence is great news.
North will probably take us on physically: they have done that the last few weeks and have yet to be seriously penalized by the tribunal.
But the things that I want to be able to do is to smother their ruckman: I rate Goldstein. Beat him and North are in trouble.
So let me start by saying I cant stand Terry Wallet. I was listening to SEN tonight and he does a segment where by he goes into a club and sits on match committee meetings. When it came to Carlton, he talked about Rowe going down. He suggested to try something left field by putting Weitering on a wing and Jones down back. His theory is that:
- JW is a great reader of the play
- JW is a big body and is fairly athletic
- JW intercepts the footy extremely well
Wallet reckons he would become an asset btw HB and HF along the wings and would compliment our other big bodies in Cripps, Curnow etc.
I dont know if this is crazy or genius, its certainly left field alright and it may just make things very intersting. Thoughts?
So let me start by saying I cant stand Terry Wallet. I was listening to SEN tonight and he does a segment where by he goes into a club and sits on match committee meetings. When it came to Carlton, he talked about Rowe going down. He suggested to try something left field by putting Weitering on a wing and Jones down back. His theory is that:
- JW is a great reader of the play
- JW is a big body and is fairly athletic
- JW intercepts the footy extremely well
Wallet reckons he would become an asset btw HB and HF along the wings and would compliment our other big bodies in Cripps, Curnow etc.
I dont know if this is crazy or genius, its certainly left field alright and it may just make things very intersting. Thoughts?
Perhaps I shouldn't admit this but I actually find myself very interested in TWs insights. He was one of the few commentators last year after we'd won four on the trot to predict that the Aints would take us apart. And the reasons he gave were spot on.
Weits to a wing? My only knock on that would be that he aint the fastest bloke over the grass... however, I wonder if TW was isolating the fact that we have very poor penetration and delivery into our F50 and Weits might be an excellent link to setting up and delivering meaningful forward thrusts, and would be difficult to stop.
So let me start by saying I cant stand Terry Wallet. I was listening to SEN tonight and he does a segment where by he goes into a club and sits on match committee meetings. When it came to Carlton, he talked about Rowe going down. He suggested to try something left field by putting Weitering on a wing and Jones down back. His theory is that:
- JW is a great reader of the play
- JW is a big body and is fairly athletic
- JW intercepts the footy extremely well
Wallet reckons he would become an asset btw HB and HF along the wings and would compliment our other big bodies in Cripps, Curnow etc.
I dont know if this is crazy or genius, its certainly left field alright and it may just make things very intersting. Thoughts?
How is that any different to Kreuzer on a wing, which we tried a couple of times last week. It backfired on us at center bounces as his opponent basically ran off him and got an I50. In terms of pros/cons, too many cons.
So let me start by saying I cant stand Terry Wallet. I was listening to SEN tonight and he does a segment where by he goes into a club and sits on match committee meetings. When it came to Carlton, he talked about Rowe going down. He suggested to try something left field by putting Weitering on a wing and Jones down back. His theory is that:
- JW is a great reader of the play
- JW is a big body and is fairly athletic
- JW intercepts the footy extremely well
Wallet reckons he would become an asset btw HB and HF along the wings and would compliment our other big bodies in Cripps, Curnow etc.
I dont know if this is crazy or genius, its certainly left field alright and it may just make things very intersting. Thoughts?
Isn't that mainly where Nick Riewoldt plays these days?
Isn't that mainly where Nick Riewoldt plays these days?
Yup, and he provides one really good avenue into f50.
So let me start by saying I cant stand Terry Wallet. I was listening to SEN tonight and he does a segment where by he goes into a club and sits on match committee meetings. When it came to Carlton, he talked about Rowe going down. He suggested to try something left field by putting Weitering on a wing and Jones down back. His theory is that:
- JW is a great reader of the play
- JW is a big body and is fairly athletic
- JW intercepts the footy extremely well
Wallet reckons he would become an asset btw HB and HF along the wings and would compliment our other big bodies in Cripps, Curnow etc.
I dont know if this is crazy or genius, its certainly left field alright and it may just make things very intersting. Thoughts?
Might work depending on opponents, I wouldnt want Brad Hill for example playing on JW and running off him..our man is athletic for a tall but he wont be winning any foot races vs genuine wingman.
IMO Weitering is a CHB and its time we played him there. Cant wait for Mckay and Kerr to be introduced so we can setup the spine properly and have a decent structure to build around instead of trying to cheat with players in their non specialist positions....I know JW played games forward in his youth but he looks a CHB to me and not a CHF.
Weitering and Marchbank down back will give you the best intercept marking duo in the comp..
Yep, the Weitering forward experiment needs to be put back on the shelf once and for all IMO.
Time for a different option at CHF... Jones, Jaksch, Kerr, JGM, McKay, I don't care who, just give the side some bloody structure that gives us some hope.
McKay not really putting it together and if form dictates who plays then Jones and Jaksch need the run. Not sure what will be done with White as he deserves to come in too. Jaksch at 22 is younger though and Jones at 26 is hitting his peak.
Jones will surely play this week? If he doesn't then what future can he have with us? Personally I think he and Weitering will share rotations fwd and back. Looking forward to seeing them.
Jones will surely play this week? If he doesn't then what future can he have with us? Personally I think he and Weitering will share rotations fwd and back. Looking forward to seeing them.
Could make for a puzzling match up...
By all accounts Jones has successfully implemented coaching instruction. At least in the 2's. Perhaps some of his current success also relates to maturity.
How fantastic would it be if he jumps up a level or two this year. For years we've heard about his 'potential'. How he 'trains the house down'. Heck he could be the slow burn recruit of the year. All the best to him if he gets a gig.
Jones to replace Rowe.
Casboult needs a good game. Kicked a couple of goals again last week but he couldn't halve enough contests in the last few weeks.
Impossible to drop the only bloke kicking goals in your forward line though.
Yep, the Weitering forward experiment needs to be put back on the shelf once and for all IMO.
Time for a different option at CHF... Jones, Jaksch, Kerr, JGM, McKay, I don't care who, just give the side some bloody structure that gives us some hope.
Might not have done a great job so far but FFS he is 19.
Yep, the Weitering forward experiment needs to be put back on the shelf once and for all IMO.
Time for a different option at CHF... Jones, Jaksch, Kerr, JGM, McKay, I don't care who, just give the side some bloody structure that gives us some hope.
This is lending to the idea where we set up our spine with the young guys, Weiters, Marchbank, McKay & Kerr, then build the team around them. Let them grow together.
We haven't had a decent spine since..... 95' IMO :o
Build it and they will come :)
Jones to replace Rowe.
Casboult needs a good game. Kicked a couple of goals again last week but he couldn't halve enough contests in the last few weeks.
Impossible to drop the only bloke kicking goals in your forward line though.
That's the big conundrum we have now - the forward line is still putrid, we can't kick enough goals and we can't lock the ball in. Cas has had a couple of ok games and is our best contested mark, but over the last 2 weeks has been poor and has given away stupid free kicks as well.
My problem is we need to try something different and see what the other guys can bring if we are to create a forward line that can kick a winning score. Cas has been given a lot of chances and has shown some glimpses, but he has severe limitations that we can all see. My hope for the 2nd half of the year is that we experiment and try different combinations up forward [with and without Cas] as this is a huge problem for us going forward that we don't seem to be any closer to solving. But this week against their strong and mature defence I think we are going to need Cas to provide a physical presence.
Yep, the Weitering forward experiment needs to be put back on the shelf once and for all IMO.
Time for a different option at CHF... Jones, Jaksch, Kerr, JGM, McKay, I don't care who, just give the side some bloody structure that gives us some hope.
I agree to a level as I think Weitering will always be a swing type player, but just as Geelong's Harry Taylor has his moments as a forward, it is clear he is the best intercept mark and defender.
Further Weitering has the potential to be a first class user of the ball delivering it into F50, which we lose when he's playing in F50.
As yet we haven't seen Weitering have a crack at goal from outside F50, which he is more than capable of doing but seems to lack the confidence at AFL level. As a 17 year old junior he was Fevola like from outside F50.
Having seen SPS, my ideal situation would be to have Weitering in the defensive zone hitting up SPS with a long low pass to deliver it into F50.
(PS: Is the Harry Taylor situation at Geelong forced because they made the decision to take Henderson?)
Weitering may or may not be suited to the forwardline but to suggest it could never work is a stretch.
The game is littered with terrific forwards who started off slow, even slower than Weits.
I'm happy for the club to trial anything they like and if they think Weits can be a legit swing man they should go for it.
Weitering may or may not be suited to the forwardline but to suggest it could never work is a stretch.
The game is littered with terrific forwards who started off slow, even slower than Weits.
I'm happy for the club to trial anything they like and if they think Weits can be a legit swing man they should go for it.
Yep a guy called Josh Kennedy struggled to get a senior game for a few years at CFC
I actually think weitering has been ok as a forward allowing Casboult to play second banana.
He's a better defender, an even better intercept mark,but he's got the ability to play as a forward and we can all see it.
He actually looks like he's been playing under duress but not significant duress which indicates he has better in him and it's possible that he was squeezed forward for that reason being we have fit alternatives in defence but none up forward.
Weitering is performing better as a key forward than Shcache and Weidemann. The boy is all class.
Weitering is performing better as a key forward than Shcache and Weidemann. The boy is all class.
Schache is out of Brisbane and probably headed to Collingwood or Richmond and isnt even trying to get a kick in the QAFL....overated IMO, hope he joins another dud in Aish at Collingwood...
Backs 20. Lachie Plowman 44. Alex Silvagni 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs 6. Kade Simpson 22. Caleb Marchbank 35. Ed Curnow
Centreline 31. Tom Williamson 9. Patrick Cripps 4. Bryce Gibbs
Half-forwards 30. Charlie Curnow 23. Jacob Weitering 46. Matthew Wright
Forwards 25. Zac Fisher 41. Levi Casboult 1. Jack Silvagni
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 5. Samo Petrevski-Seton 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange from: 28. David Cuningham 32. Nick Graham 19. Liam Sumner
43. Simon White 26. Harrison Macreadie 16. Billie Smedts
34. Andrew Phillips
In: White, Smedts, Sumner, Phillips, Macreadie
Out: Thomas (injured), Rowe (knee)
Backs 20. Lachie Plowman 44. Alex Silvagni 15. Sam Docherty
Half-backs 6. Kade Simpson 22. Caleb Marchbank 35. Ed Curnow
Centreline 31. Tom Williamson 9. Patrick Cripps 4. Bryce Gibbs
Half-forwards 30. Charlie Curnow 23. Jacob Weitering 46. Matthew Wright
Forwards 25. Zac Fisher 41. Levi Casboult 1. Jack Silvagni
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 5. Samo Petrevski-Seton 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange from: 28. David Cuningham 32. Nick Graham 19. Liam Sumner
43. Simon White 26. Harrison Macreadie 16. Billie Smedts
34. Andrew Phillips
In: White, Smedts, Sumner, Phillips, Macreadie
Out: Thomas (injured), Rowe (knee)
C ya Jonesy, thanks for the fish.
C ya Jonesy, thanks for the fish.
I think you'll find he's injured.
Pity Liam Jones didn't come up (injured).
I'll go White and Smedts in from that interchange group....like to see a bit more of Sumner but probably needs another couple of good games in the NB's.
Not sure what is going on with Palmer...?
I think you'll find he's injured.
My bad, didnt know. Not listed on the injury list though.
To call those ins "conventional" is an understatement.
My bad, didnt know. Not listed on the injury list though.
Apparently an ankle.
Macreadie will make our backline too inexperienced. Probably White will be one of the ins.
Wow if there was a slap across a face Liam Jones just received one of the life time.
Looking to the future - 18 months into re build - staying the course is the correct move.
Apologies - just read Liam Jones is injured.
Not the best timing big fella get back out there
Apologies - just read Liam Jones is injured.
Not the best timing big fella get back out there
Ah! Wondered if they'd printed the wrong "Liam".
How is Sumner even in contention?? Polson should be considered ahead of him.
How is Sumner even in contention?? Polson should be considered ahead of him.
Agree - he seems to have come right out of left field.
Carlton
B: Lachie Plowman, Alex Silvagni, Sam Docherty.
HB: Kade Simpson, Caleb Marchbank, Ed Curnow.
C: Tom Williamson, Patrick Cripps, Bryce Gibbs.
HF: Charlie Curnow, Jacob Weitering, Matthew Wright.
F: Zac Fisher, Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni.
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Marc Murphy.
Int: David Cuningham, Nick Graham, Liam Sumner, Simon White, Harrison Macreadie, Billie Smedts, Andrew Phillips (Three to be omitted).
In: Liam Sumner, Simon White, Harrison Macreadie, Billie Smedts, Andrew Phillips.
Out: Dale Thomas (Injured), Sam Rowe (Knee)
Liam Jones' timing was bad, getting hurt last week. Hopefully he will be ready after the Bye.
I was a bit surprised that Sumner got a mention. The rest of the 'Ins' deserved a shot.
Phillips is an interesting inclusion, but I do like that he is there. I don't like having Kreuzer one out against top quality ruckmen.
North Melbourne
B: Marley Williams, Robbie Tarrant, Ed Vickers-Willis.
HB: Lachlan Hansen, Scott D. Thompson, Jamie Macmillan.
C: Sam Gibson, Ben Cunnington, Aaron Mullett.
HF: Kayne Turner, Jarrad Waite, Taylor Garner.
F: Nathan Hrovat, Ben Brown, Mason Wood.
R: Todd Goldstein, Jack Ziebell, Shaun Higgins.
Int: Jed Anderson, Andrew Swallow, Luke McDonald, Ryan Clarke, Trent Dumont, Shaun Atley, Braydon Preuss (Three to be omitted)
My bad, didnt know. Not listed on the injury list though.
You know the ducks and drakes we play with our injuries. We all saw Liam J limp off with what appeared to be an ankle but no mention in our injury updates... pfft.
I'll go White and Smedts in from that interchange group....like to see a bit more of Sumner but probably needs another couple of good games in the NB's.
Not sure what is going on with Palmer...?
Here's a curly one for ya.
Keep your Smedts, but....
Phillips instead of White (nothing against White)
Why?
In a word - Goldstein.
In a sentence. Weitering to defence, (covering for Rowe) allowing Phillips and Kreuzer to tagteam Goldstein in the ruck, while resting forward and filling Weiterings role.
How is Sumner even in contention?? Polson should be considered ahead of him.
Don't worry about Polson, he'll be getting the accolades soon enough. Got tank issues just now and we need people who can run out games.
The other reason is Sumner and Polson play different roles.
Here's a curly one for ya.
Keep your Smedts, but....
Phillips instead of White (nothing against White)
Why?
In a word - Goldstein.
In a sentence. Weitering to defence, (covering for Rowe) allowing Phillips and Kreuzer to tagteam Goldstein in the ruck, while resting forward and filling Weiterings role.
We did that most of last year and it was an abject failure. Kreuzer's great on his own, very ordinary when he shares, as is Phillips. Both were terrible as forwards. Then Casboult struggles as a lone key forward as every defender goes to him. Surprised you never picked that up.
You can still win the clearances to a losing ruck. Clubs do that all the time. Focus on that.
Taps don't worry me, as about 15-20% at best may go to advantage. I prefer performance around the ground.
Taps are almost worthless, for all the stoppages that happen in an AFL game maybe one or two taps in a whole match have a clear impact.
The far more important aspect of ruckwork are the 2nd and 3rd efforts, Sandilands is a prime example. For all the bitching and moaning about his dominance clearances came out about even, and Kreuzer had far more beneficial influence for Carlton than Sandilands had for Freo. Most of Freo's scoring came off the back of Carlton turnovers that left Hill and Co running freely off the HBF without a tackling Carlton player in sight! Even those apparent Sandilands clearance taps came off the back of a Freo player running freely uncheck and unhindered past the stoppage. That is junior football type behaviour from the Carlton players, why they had that mindset on the night I have no idea. You just can't allow HBFs and Wingmen to run freely past the contest as it will make any ruckmen look like Godzilla, and Sandilands is already a handful for most to deal with in the absence of his crumbers getting a free ride!
It's not that we let Hill go, they can't keep up with. He runs harder than anyone in the AFL.
Don't worry about Polson, he'll be getting the accolades soon enough. Got tank issues just now and we need people who can run out games.
The other reason is Sumner and Polson play different roles.
Our Forward pressure and locking the ball i is abysmal.
I reckon Sumner is in to play that role and if he succeeds, he will stay.
We did that most of last year and it was an abject failure. Kreuzer's great on his own, very ordinary when he shares, as is Phillips. Both were terrible as forwards.
Jee, my memory must be horrible these days....I could have sworn i saw Phillips take a few good strong marks forward last year & kick the goals.....same as he did in the Northern game last weekend.
but I must have been mistaken.
1. Agree with Jim...Kruezer players better when he is the main man and has Casboult as the casual relief ruckman.
I thought Kruezer went as well as anyone could vs Sandilands and dont agree he was murdered in the ruck, worked well around the ground and what people forget is effectively another mid as he plays like the old fashioned follower and involves himself at ground level and around the ground.
Dont get me wrong I like Philips and he is an honest contributor as a ruckman and very handy as backup but playing them both makes us inflexible IMO.
2: Sumner...talented player IMO, has pace, kicks goals and can take a decent mark for a smaller type, got some courage too and can lay a tackle....
Injuries and lack of possessions are his main problem, when he plays he does some good things but doesnt get enough footy...
I'd like to see him stay in the team and be given some roles to play, had thought about trying him down back as a small defender as he tackles well and would rebound the footy...that way it wouldnt be about total possies per game and more about his role playing on a man.
Jee, my memory must be horrible these days....I could have sworn i saw Phillips take a few good strong marks forward last year & kick the goals.....same as he did in the Northern game last weekend.
but I must have been mistaken.
You probably were as it wasn't many. Averaged just 7 touches and two marks a game. Not only that but it affected Kreuzer's games alot as well. We were forever going on after games about our rucks doing SFA alot of the year.
Give me the choice of an extra ruck or an extra key forward, give me the forward any day.
Sandilands turned the game in Freo's favour. Kreuzer might have a good individual game when he rucks solo but it's not good for the team.
Two rucks was the formula last year and Phillips has been back playing after an extended lay-off.
Each game hes got better and Frasers post match report was glowing. Strong chance to play, particularly if Norf pick Preuss.
It will be dry and I don't mind the selection.
Jee, my memory must be horrible these days....I could have sworn i saw Phillips take a few good strong marks forward last year & kick the goals.....same as he did in the Northern game last weekend.
but I must have been mistaken.
Yes, my idea of an "abject" failure differs a lot to Jims.
If Phillips is rucking Kreuzer should rotate with Cripps, they are equally good at ground level.
Two rucks was the formula last year and Phillips has been back playing after an extended lay-off.
Each game hes got better and Frasers post match report was glowing. Strong chance to play, particularly if Norf pick Preuss.
It will be dry and I don't mind the selection.
Phillips was better, but last weekend was the first he's actually held some marks. Prior to that he was very ordinary, I think he is dead lucky that Jones got injured! Jones has been losing the taps but winning the clearances.
It's not the 50 taps a ruckmen gets that matters, it's what the midfielders do with them that counts!
I can't believe we keep having this debate, especially given we finally cleared our list of Warnock are we saying we were better off with him than Kreuzer, no way!
I think our big problem remains Casboult, a lot of attention on Kreuzer relative to Sandilands just lets 200cm Casboult's awful game last weekend slip through the cracks. It takes a special talent to kick 2 goals and still have a negative impact! Casboult is like an illicit drug, addictive for all the wrong reasons. At 27 I'm well and truly over the "Gee, if only he could.....!", yet I just know if he leaves he'll come good!
If Phillips is rucking Kreuzer should rotate with Cripps, they are equally good at ground level.
Phillips was better, but last weekend was the first he's actually held some marks. Prior to that he was very ordinary, I think he is dead lucky that Jones got injured! Jones has been losing the taps but winning the clearances.
It's not the 50 taps a ruckmen gets that matters, it's what the midfielders do with them that counts!
I can't believe we keep having this debate, especially given we finally cleared our list of Warnock are we saying we were better off with him than Kreuzer, no way!
I think our big problem remains Casboult, a lot of attention on Kreuzer relative to Sandilands just lets 200cm Casboult's awful game last weekend slip through the cracks. It takes a special talent to kick 2 goals and still have a negative impact! Casboult is like an illicit drug, addictive for all the wrong reasons. At 27 I'm well and truly over the "Gee, if only he could.....!", yet I just know if he leaves he'll come good!
Jones hasn't played ruck for a few weeks.
How is Sumner even in contention?? Polson should be considered ahead of him.
Sumner's improvement from game to game has been really strong... in his last game his improvement from qtr to qtr was obvious. Polson is still searching for consistency and is not far off. They're both quick which is a bonus.
I like Sumner, always have. I hope he can get a decent crack, stay injury free and get some continuity by playing week in week out. The kid can seriously play and has some tricks.
Jones hasn't played ruck for a few weeks.
He's had ruck rotations at stoppages in every game I watched in the last few weeks, only limited center bounce stuff in the last two weeks. But enough stoppage ruck to see the benefits he brings.
If he brings that level of effort, he is more than useful whether it be ten times a game or fifty!
Interchange =
Cunningham
Graham
Sumner
Macreadie.
Interchange =
Cunningham
Graham
Sumner
Macreadie.
Cool - good luck to Sumner and Macreadie
I like Sumner, always have. I hope he can get a decent crack, stay injury free and get some continuity by playing week in week out. The kid can seriously play and has some tricks.
Agree. Had a late/slow start to the season, with another early set back during a pre season game. But his last two weeks showed glimpses of what he is capable of.
Surprised Macreadie got the nod ahead of White. Even in the summaries of each VFL players game last week according to Josh, White got wraps whereas Macreadie not so much and that's what I also saw. So now we know that blokes aren't selected on form alone... if they're young and their form is not bad they get a gig, if they're older they'll need a few BOGs to get a gig.
Agree. Had a late/slow start to the season, with another early set back during a pre season game. But his last two weeks showed glimpses of what he is capable of.
Surprised Macreadie got the nod ahead of White. Even in the summaries of each VFL players game last week according to Josh, White got wraps whereas Macreadie not so much and that's what I also saw. So now we know that blokes aren't selected on form alone... if they're young and their form is not bad they get a gig, if they're older they'll need a few BOGs to get a gig.
I just love what they are doing with the side on a week to week basis. Blooding kids, settling players in their best positions, going with youth as opposed to age/experience. There is a plan and they are sticking to it. White is a terrific bloke who loves the club, plays for his team mates and gives you 100% week in week out. Is he part of the future? No. He will no longer be selected ahead of kids with talent. Macreadie has talent to burn and is part of the future so I have no problem with selections like that and I am prepared to experience the "growing pains" that go with selections like that. Pretty soon, more blokes like White will miss out to make way for the future. Its a good thing, its a very good thing.
Sandilands turned the game in Freo's favour. Kreuzer might have a good individual game when he rucks solo but it's not good for the team.
Kreuzer got it 22 times, plus 5 marks, 6 tackles, double that of Sandilands, who didn't take a mark, and between he (26 hitouts) and Levi (10) got only 6 taps less for what it's worth. I'm not sure Sandilands changed the game, his midfield did.
With those stats I'm happy for Kreuzer to do the bulk of the ruck work with relief from Casboult. It works best for us. Give me the performance around the ground any day.
If Phillips is rucking Kreuzer should rotate with Cripps, they are equally good at ground level.
Phillips was better, but last weekend was the first he's actually held some marks. Prior to that he was very ordinary, I think he is dead lucky that Jones got injured! Jones has been losing the taps but winning the clearances.
It's not the 50 taps a ruckmen gets that matters, it's what the midfielders do with them that counts!
I can't believe we keep having this debate, especially given we finally cleared our list of Warnock are we saying we were better off with him than Kreuzer, no way!
I think our big problem remains Casboult, a lot of attention on Kreuzer relative to Sandilands just lets 200cm Casboult's awful game last weekend slip through the cracks. It takes a special talent to kick 2 goals and still have a negative impact! Casboult is like an illicit drug, addictive for all the wrong reasons. At 27 I'm well and truly over the "Gee, if only he could.....!", yet I just know if he leaves he'll come good!
You won't get miracles from a key forward that was pick 44 in a rookie draft. Levi frustrated giving away too many frees last week. I've seen him play better in some respects in this role, not quite taking as many marks, but he's rucking better and hitting the scoreboard more. It's allowing Kreuzer to blossom though and have his best year. We're playing both to their strengths, which is much different to last year. I'd have picked another key forward and let Levi focus on backing up Kreuzer.
Kreuzer got it 22 times, plus 5 marks, 6 tackles, double that of Sandilands, who didn't take a mark, and between he (26 hitouts) and Levi (10) got only 6 taps less for what it's worth. I'm not sure Sandilands changed the game, his midfield did.
With those stats I'm happy for Kreuzer to do the bulk of the ruck work with relief from Casboult. It works best for us. Give me the performance around the ground any day.
I'd rather we win.
He's had ruck rotations at stoppages in every game I watched in the last few weeks, only limited center bounce stuff in the last two weeks. But enough stoppage ruck to see the benefits he brings.
If he brings that level of effort, he is more than useful whether it be ten times a game or fifty!
He may have had one or two, hardly part of the ruck rotation and he didn't take a tap against Sandringham.
Had a local Norf guy tell me Preuss was a lock. Not in the 22 yet.
Will be interesting to see if there's a late change.
We did that most of last year and it was an abject failure. Kreuzer's great on his own, very ordinary when he shares, as is Phillips. Both were terrible as forwards. Then Casboult struggles as a lone key forward as every defender goes to him. Surprised you never picked that up.
You can still win the clearances to a losing ruck. Clubs do that all the time. Focus on that.
Taps don't worry me, as about 15-20% at best may go to advantage. I prefer performance around the ground.
Its not about taps. Its about working Goldstein over.
You let Kreuzer run around as much as possible and get free. When he gets tired, you give Phillips a run and do the same. Eventually Goldstein gets tired. Then you run him around some more. Sooner or later you get more of the ball around the ground (playing 2 rucks) then you would if you go one on one.
As for Phillips. You conveniently forgot him taking a strong mark and kicking the sealer to get us up over the line against the Bombers?
Abject failure? :-[
Macreadie will make our backline too inexperienced. Probably White will be one of the ins.
Bolton thinks different to you and me....MacReadie in......didnt realise Ben Brown was 200cm, 101kg...thats a fair advantage over any of our backman, going to have to play some
team defense to stop him marking the footy...
Bolton thinks different to you and me....MacReadie in......didnt realise Ben Brown was 200cm, 101kg...thats a fair advantage over any of our backman, going to have to play some
team defense to stop him marking the footy...
Brown is pretty much a lead up forward and doesn't really use his size to advantage. Good closing speed and the ability to read the play are the tools required to shut him down; perfect match up for Marchbank.
Its not about taps. Its about working Goldstein over.
You let Kreuzer run around as much as possible and get free. When he gets tired, you give Phillips a run and do the same. Eventually Goldstein gets tired. Then you run him around some more. Sooner or later you get more of the ball around the ground (playing 2 rucks) then you would if you go one on one.
As for Phillips. You conveniently forgot him taking a strong mark and kicking the sealer to get us up over the line against the Bombers?
Abject failure? :-[
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Typical, produce one example, one mark and goal, the rest of the time nothing. But he took a mark and kick a goal so you think you're right...lol! Kruddler, the selective stat man. Not watch football last year? Kreuzer and Phillips were terrible together last year, did nothing around the ground and nothing up forward leaving poor old Levi to survive as the only key forward. That was never working in a fit. What part of that can't you work out. You know it I know it. And you want to go back to that. Faaaark! Duh!
Kreuzer is a way better player doing the bulk of the ruckwork, outstanding actually, but make him share and he struggles. If it not about the taps then Kreuzer and Casboult will do that job. As i've said many times, and proven right again, they are our best ruck combination. Possessions and marks have probably near enough tripled and they're hitting the scoreboard too. Phillips does SFA, he won't be working anyone over.
Some people take a long time to learn about the game.
Who cares if Kreuzer gets a higher supercoach score when he rucks by himself? It's about winning games and in case you haven't noticed we're down the bottom of the ladder.
Who cares if Kreuzer gets a higher supercoach score when he rucks by himself? It's about winning games and in case you haven't noticed we're down the bottom of the ladder.
The main part of our ladder position that can be attributed to Kreuzer are the wins!
Kreuzer has always had his good years when left to ruck on his own. Hampson, Warnock, Phillips, etc. Doesn't matter who the partner is MKs form goes pear shaped when sharing the ruck. It also robs us of an extra running player and scr3ws up the forward line with a resting ruckman there all the time.
It never worked, never will work and I never understood why the coaches kept doing it.
The main part of our ladder position that can be attributed to Kreuzer are the wins!
He's played well but you can't say that's the reason we won.
Also, we didn't have a fit back up ruckman for a while . That's why jones was rucking in the magoos. Phillips has just run into fitness.
Typical, produce one example, one mark and goal, the rest of the time nothing. But he took a mark and kick a goal so you think you're right...lol! Kruddler, the selective stat man. Not watch football last year? Kreuzer and Phillips were terrible together last year, did nothing around the ground and nothing up forward leaving poor old Levi to survive as the only key forward. That was never working in a fit. What part of that can't you work out. You know it I know it. And you want to go back to that. Faaaark! Duh!
Kreuzer is a way better player doing the bulk of the ruckwork, outstanding actually, but make him share and he struggles. If it not about the taps then Kreuzer and Casboult will do that job. As i've said many times, and proven right again, they are our best ruck combination. Possessions and marks have probably near enough tripled and they're hitting the scoreboard too. Phillips does SFA, he won't be working anyone over.
Some people take a long time to learn about the game.
Some people take a long time to learn about life. 50+ years now and still jumping to conclusions constantly.
Yes, i provided 1 example. Did i say that was the only one?
You said it was a failure. An example which won us a game, proves it was not a complete failure. Therefor your point is wrong. I can provide more examples to prove it MORE wrong if you want. But i'll just settle for 'regular' wrong for now.
FWIW, i'm not advocating this as a regular thing. I was suggesting it as a matchup/'this week only' thing.
So you watched some games last year (as did I) and based on that you can accurately summise the future? A future that has no place for Phillips in it, especially while Kreuzer is in the team. While you have your crystal ball out, can you tell me who is going to win the flag this year? Throw in the brownlow medalist too while you're at it.
Things change Jimbo, change with them.....well...more than just a name change to save face. ;)
Everyone saying Kreuzers always fared better by himself is being somewhat biased.
Yes he goes better as a first ruck. That's a fact.
This is possibly the first time he's been fully fit since he was drafted. So he may very well do playing off a wing or forward better than ever before too meaning hr might actually play as well or better in a tandem.
Everyone saying Kreuzers always fared better by himself is being somewhat biased.
Yes he goes better as a first ruck. That's a fact.
This is possibly the first time he's been fully fit since he was drafted. So he may very well do playing off a wing or forward better than ever before too meaning hr might actually play as well or better in a tandem.
Our supporters have short memories.
Kreuzer played 43 games in his first two seasons, was fit and has always been our best ruck option since the day he walked through the front door. Tap counts are for chumps, any half-ar5ed midfield coach who knows what he is doing can deal with losing the tap, Kreuzer is a real ruck option.
Sandilands value isn't the 50 taps he gets, his 50 taps are as worthless as Warnock's. Sandilands true value is intimidation, he's a cross-the-white-line monster who won't think twice before burying his size 64 boot studs or mallee burl kneecap into the back of an opponents head or kidneys. Warnock would go into a marking contest and not make contact with anyone like the ghostly twins from The Matrix!
Carlton posters are disgruntled with the dual ruck option because they expect the 2nd ruckmen to be Tony Lockett! They should instead be asking why is it that the opposition clear the ball so easily when the 2nd ruck options are rarely out-marked?
Do you think Cyril Rioli or Poppy would be upset getting reliable and predictable crumbing opportunities?
Carlton was so dumb, it had Betts and Garlett flying against their own ruckmen, or our midfielders were kicking over the heads of our talls to float high balls to Betts who had two defenders standing him!
You let Kreuzer run around as much as possible and get free. When he gets tired, you give Phillips a run and do the same. Eventually Goldstein gets tired. Then you run him around some more. Sooner or later you get more of the ball around the ground (playing 2 rucks) then you would if you go one on one.
Maybe, just maybe North have a guy to relieve Goldy which means he doesn't get tired?? He and Krooze come off together. Hope Scotty doesn't read this, he might get ideas!!
In his press conference today, Bolts was adamant that Jones was in the side before the injury in the last 2 minutes. Said he won't be ready until after the bye.
Sumner is a very ordinary footballer, surely Jaksch should have gotten a game with Jones unavailable.
I'd sooner Buckley than Sumner, and I agree with LP about Casboult.
He plays the odd good one but mostly he's a liability, he's just not up to AFL standard but the sad state of our list means that he plays every week.
Good luck to Macredie, he seems to be a decent young player.
Maybe, just maybe North have a guy to relieve Goldy which means he doesn't get tired?? He and Krooze come off together. Hope Scotty doesn't read this, he might get ideas!!
Goldy is known for traditionally going one-out.
Having said that, he sometimes gets help from Majak Daw (not playing) newcomer Preuss (not playing).
The only other blokes who have spent any time at all rucking this year are Waite and Brown (CHF and FF) and they only have an average of 4 hitouts between them.
In short. No help for Goldy this week. ;)
WTF!
This is a Carlton home game, yet the bulk of the Ch.7 coverage is about Norp!
Sumner is a very ordinary footballer, surely Jaksch should have gotten a game with Jones unavailable.
I'd sooner Buckley than Sumner, and I agree with LP about Casboult.
He plays the odd good one but mostly he's a liability, he's just not up to AFL standard but the sad state of our list means that he plays every week.
Good luck to Macredie, he seems to be a decent young player.
I think being able to play to instruction is a big part of selection.