All ready for the big game. Car'n the Blues!
Another week, another pathetic loss.
We lost the clearances 19-44 including the centre clearances 3-15
We had a good dip early in the game and had chances to win but a disappointing fade-out in the end. TDK did a few nice things.
When is the end of the season??? ::)
I've just about had enough this year - well if I'm honest that happened weeks ago. Just glad I didn't go along.
Fairly low standard by all concerned. The Doggies wouldn't be rapt with much of what they did, and the same applies for us.
Oh well. One game left, and then I can cut the dosage of my meds in half, at least for 6 months.
There is a real stiffness and lack of suppleness with our switch from zone to man on man. Bartel on Access All Areas stated that whether you call them zones, clusters, webs etc., they're all fine to begin with, but once another team / player starts dominating, it's time to switch and be accountable. I'm not sure whether coaches or players are at fault, but there's plenty of learning and work to be done in the off season. Game sense and fitness must improve dramatically.
Another week, another pathetic loss.
MBB, who do you reckon were the chief offenders re losing?
(For me, Murphy & Lang)
Who do you reckon kept us in the game, even looking like we could win, and will be our hope for the 2019 and beyond?
(For me, Charlie, H, Bunsen, Crippa, Dow, O'Brien)
MBB, who do you reckon were the chief offenders re losing?
(For me, Murphy & Lang)
Who do you reckon kept us in the game, even looking like we could win, and will be our hope for the 2019 and beyond?
(For me, Charlie, H, Bunsen, Crippa, Dow, O'Brien)
Murph had a shocker and I hardly noticed Lang after qtr time.
We lost the clearances 19-44 including the centre clearances 3-15
Game won right there IMO. Put us well behind i50 count. You're relying on the breeze and lady luck thereafter ;)
Some good signs there though. A couple of poor umpiring decisions q4 helped Dogs momentum, making the hill too big to climb.
That was a game that showed how bad our coaching is. After 3 years our system of moving the ball going forward is the worst I've seen anywhere. Our players have ability for sure but are being let down by that. Other sides go forward with a structure that can often open other sides up, we have no idea. That cost a quite a decent win. Instead another loss to an ordinary side. One of the most frustrating defeats I've come across. Loved the competitiveness but we want more than that after 3 years.
Bet a decent coach could sort alot of that in a preseason. They love the ability at their disposal.
Party on at SOSs tonight... we, officially, cannot avoid finishing bottom. He slipped the players a valium Gatorade at 3/4 time this week. :D
That was a very winnable game. We were the better team for much of the match. The system that is the AFL draft meant it wasn't in our club's best interest to win. We can go all out next week now having secured the optimum trading-drafting position as well as adding weight to our Priority Pick argument. It's not how any of us really want it but it is the reality.
That was a very winnable game. We were the better team for much of the match. The system that is the AFL draft meant it wasn't in our club's best interest to win. We can go all out next week now having secured the optimum trading-drafting position as well as adding weight to our Priority Pick argument. It's not how any of us really want it but it is the reality.
Agree...Bulldogs are woeful, our problem was our lack of method getting it forward where we had the talent in front of goals to win the game but just broke down
bringing the ball in and players like Charlie, Harry were left in the cold waiting...Harry showed a bit today IMO as did the flying dutchman TDK..
The other problem we had was the usual one where the opposition better players just roamed around on their own...JJ and Hunter burned us all day but we seemed powerless to stop them.
Lucky the Bont was injured and less effective even though he 37 possies, Cripps was his usual busy self but Murphy, SPS and Dow did SFA for most for most of the day.....
Lucky also that Marchbank, Daisy and Simpson were good down back and the Dogs were as inept as us down delivering the ball.....Weitering had a shocker error wise and looked like he was on valium he was that slow and out to it...zero awareness at times...
After 3 years our system of moving the ball going forward is the worst I've seen anywhere.
Within those 3 years we have had the biggest turn over of players know to man, a shocking run with injuries that has meant that ‘fillers’ have had to be more permanent and structurally we have had
no continuity all year. More composure in the middle (l.e a couple of decent ballusers to help Cripps), more understanding between McKay and Curnow and throw in De Koning (they have played 1 game together!!) and some solidification in the back line will hopefully make a power of difference.
Hopefully
But 8 times this season we've scored 7 goals or less. (sorry make it 9 times....I didn't count today ::) )
Since the 22 round fixture came into being we have never failed to score 200 goals in a season...we're about to achieve that dubious feat
We lost the clearances 19-44 including the centre clearances 3-15
Indeed. That was where we lost the game. We were flogged at the clearances.
Indeed. That was where we lost the game. We were flogged at the clearances.
Given we pretty much broke even on the hitouts, it was all on the midfield for today's loss.
Even though we have few options down back due to injuries, sometimes I wonder if we need to move daisy into the midfield to have another experienced head in there. Especially when Murphy has a day off like today.
Murph had a shocker and I hardly noticed Lang after qtr time.
I don't think that Charlie had a good game - tried, but nowhere near his best.
Not enough of a contribution from too many again. Simmo was brilliant today. Our defence stood up well. But our midfield were thrashed.
Lobbe tried hard and got his hand on the ball more than a bit, but we don't get many taps to advantage and we don't get centre breaks. On thing for the new pre-season: work on our centre square work. If we get a few centre breaks, the forwards would have a reasonable chance. We HAVE the tall forwards: now we need a system to get it to them (leading sometimes would help). We need fast small forwards who can crumb a goal.
I don't think that Charlie had a good game - tried, but nowhere near his best.
Didn't have a lot to work with and still kicked 2 goals.
Hmmm auto correct on my iPhone changes Polson to poison...
Hmmm auto correct on my iPhone changes Polson to poison...
Thought the work experience kid used the ball more by hand today and his disposal was better but not too sure on how his tagging job went...saw him on JJ and Hunter at different times
and they were two of the Bulldogs better players ..
Didn't record a tackle in the stats, which given he is OK at that facet of the game is surprising.
Jack S. Needs to find a role and some athleticism rapidly. Being a one paced, plodding utility.... Which translates as slow player of average ability who can't lock down a place in the 22.
Didn't record a tackle in the stats, which given he is OK at that facet of the game is surprising.
Jack S. Needs to find a role and some athleticism rapidly. Being a one paced, plodding utility.... Which translates as slow player of average ability who can't lock down a place in the 22.
Jack took a nice mark and kicked a goal but didnt do much else, is very slow and the Dogs run a very mobile midfield which probably
didnt suit him. His future may depend on the quality of players we can bring in, he is handy at times and gives a contest but his lack of pace
hurts him and will struggle to get senior games IMO unless he can get quicker...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-19/bevo-disappointed-if-priority-picks-impact-draft
Terrible presser.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-19/bevo-disappointed-if-priority-picks-impact-draft
Terrible presser.
Agree...short memory Bevo, they were the GF winners a couple of years ago.....
Agree...short memory Bevo, they were the GF winners a couple of years ago.....
Yes, the AFL should really clamp down hard on players coaches etc. trying to sway opinion so blatantly and shamelessly. Very poor form trying to say that we're not that bad because we're nearly beat your crap truck team, therefore we should only get a PP at the end of the 1st round. No honour among thieves.
Compare to Bolton's response on this question, who is probably too honourable for his own good.
Agree...short memory Bevo, they were the GF winners a couple of years ago.....
Diversion on his part from the reality of how far they've slipped.
Flags are great but....
Hopefully our rebuild isn't a "one hit" wonder
I'd much prefer a Swans like result with a decade+ of finals games
Weight of midfield numbers beat us in the end, with the benefit of hindsight Kerridge might have given us that extra strong body which we lacked.
Our back six was good considering the pressure they were under, Simpson in particular was superb and Byrne is very impressive for so few games, with Docherty, Plowman and Jones available next year our defence is looking very solid.
Kennedy and Fisher, and maybe Cunningham eventually, will bolster our midfield but we'll need to draft another one, and beg, buy or borrow a small forward or two.
Diversion on his part from the reality of how far they've slipped.
Flags are great but....
Hopefully our rebuild isn't a "one hit" wonder
I'd much prefer a Swans like result with a decade+ of finals games
If worst comes to the worst I'll happily take that "one hit wonder" though.
The Dogs did come from 7th so they weren't that good. Just played a great September.
Within those 3 years we have had the biggest turn over of players know to man, a shocking run with injuries that has meant that ‘fillers’ have had to be more permanent and structurally we have had no continuity all year. More composure in the middle (l.e a couple of decent ballusers to help Cripps), more understanding between McKay and Curnow and throw in De Koning (they have played 1 game together!!) and some solidification in the back line will hopefully make a power of difference.
If worst comes to the worst I'll happily take that "one hit wonder" though.
The Dogs did come from 7th so they weren't that good. Just played a great September.
Nah!
I expect more than just one or two good years for all this pain. ;)
Nah!
I expect more than just one or two good years for all this pain. ;)
Yes there is no guarantee, so you need to be up there in the mix for a extended period to justify all this pain!
If they feck this up scorched earth list tactic up, SOS won't be welcome back ever, because it will be the biggest fail in the history of the AFL!
Nah!
I expect more than just one or two good years for all this pain. ;)
I did say if worst comes to the worst...lol.
Within those 3 years we have had the biggest turn over of players know to man, a shocking run with injuries that has meant that ‘fillers’ have had to be more permanent and structurally we have had no continuity all year. More composure in the middle (l.e a couple of decent ballusers to help Cripps), more understanding between McKay and Curnow and throw in De Koning (they have played 1 game together!!) and some solidification in the back line will hopefully make a power of difference.
There should be at least some system and structure after 3 years. That side today wasn't exactly rubbish, which his a good sign, but we want someone to get the best out of their ability as a unit.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-08-19/bevo-disappointed-if-priority-picks-impact-draft
Terrible presser.
Dirty dog. That's what he is ;D
At the game, it seemed that the ball was down their end for most of it, and it came out of our forward 50 pretty easily and quickly. It was great to see how we celebrated TDK's goal.
There is no way that Bont should have got a free kick. The umpire guessed and gave Jong a 50. That killed the slim chance that we had.
Also excellent to see the peanut that threw the bottle onto the ground escorted out quickly - well done to everyone around him to point him out.
Endeavour was good. We continue to make skill errors when transferring across the ground that bite us. Cleaner there and we would improve straight away (players up the ground have a chance to get the ball, we don't waste time and energy trying to fix mistakes and have to fight to get the ball again).
We have a Kerridge Kunundrum. He is a good size and can get the ball for us (needed attibutes), but unfortunately, it doesn't stay with us for long (don't need these attributes). If he was able to improve his efficiency by a lot, he would be good.
At the game, it seemed that the ball was down their end for most of it, and it came out of our forward 50 pretty easily and quickly.
Our mids got smashed today, one of our worst performances for the season, and fans want to point the finger at our defence!
At the game, it seemed that the ball was down their end for most of it, and it came out of our forward 50 pretty easily and quickly. It was great to see how we celebrated TDK's goal.
There is no way that Bont should have got a free kick. The umpire guessed and gave Jong a 50. That killed the slim chance that we had.
Also excellent to see the peanut that threw the bottle onto the ground escorted out quickly - well done to everyone around him to point him out.
Endeavour was good. We continue to make skill errors when transferring across the ground that bite us. Cleaner there and we would improve straight away (players up the ground have a chance to get the ball, we don't waste time and energy trying to fix mistakes and have to fight to get the ball again).
We have a Kerridge Kunundrum. He is a good size and can get the ball for us (needed attibutes), but unfortunately, it doesn't stay with us for long (don't need these attributes). If he was able to improve his efficiency by a lot, he would be good.
Disposal efficiency is great and all, but we don't necessarily need them all to hit targets.
Kerridge's issue is that he selects the wrong ones and then he misses it to boot.
I'll take a bloke that runs at 75+ de and selects excellent options ahead of a bloke that can hit lasers and kicks it to the wrong players in the wrong positions killing momentum.
Kerridge is poor at both and is out come end of year.
Yes, the AFL should really clamp down hard on players coaches etc. trying to sway opinion so blatantly and shamelessly. Very poor form trying to say that we're not that bad because we're nearly beat your crap truck team, therefore we should only get a PP at the end of the 1st round. No honour among thieves.
Compare to Bolton's response on this question, who is probably too honourable for his own good.
Way out of line I agree
Beveridges comments are very interesting re PP’S.
First he says they should be end of first round, then he says, or there should be a caveat on how they are used, suggesting they maybe should have to be traded for an experienced player.
1 - either he is really stupid and hasn’t realised once the draft pick is traded, that the other club still uses that pick before the WB.
Or
2 - we are in serious discussions with a player or two and he sees a potential trade option in his favour
Beveridge ran off at the mouth a bit if you asked me. If that wasn't a dive it was a very good imitation of one.
Total midfield dominance to win by three goals.... Explain that one Luke.
And JJ's haircut should be banned, it's just awful.
Who would have thunk it, an AFL coach makes comments based on his vested interests! ::)
Next thing you know they'll be putting them on a rules sub-committee! :o
This is clearly where the AFL, which wants to be so professional on world sport in effect becoming one of the big boys, remains decidedly suburban!
When BB eventually gets sick of his team being bent over, you'll see a change in the way he responds to this sort of rubbish, because it has a very real effect. Bont is a good boy, Bont doesn't do nuffin, Bont got picked on, Bont is being dissed!, etc., etc., etc..
Bont will get a golden run from the umpires for the next half dozen outings, if there were so many left, and fans will complain that the stars get a free lunch! Commentators will call for an end to Lamb, Thomas or Mullett style tactics and Carlton will get crucified!
There is no way that Bont should have got a free kick. The umpire guessed and gave Jong a 50. That killed the slim chance that we had.
Bontompelli should be fined for staging and for the contact to Lamb’s face that initiated the incident. It won’t happen though and, even if it did, the score will stand >:(
It was extremely frustrating to see that Bont overreaction and that goal that came from it and then it was all over.
I love the Bont tho but felt for Lamb then.
Bontompelli should be fined for staging and for the contact to Lamb’s face that initiated the incident. It won’t happen though and, even if it did, the score will stand >:(
As so often happens, the perp gets away scot-free and the retaliator cops it, especially if the perp is a deity.
As so often happens, the perp gets away scot-free and the retaliator cops it, especially if the perp is a deity.
This is Jed Lamb we're talking about. ;) :D
He was probably up to some shenanigans well before the incident. ;D
I think if Kerridge was to come in he should be played at half forward. He tackles and gets the football and by god we need anyone who can hold the ball in the forward line.
Besides getting murdered out of the middle, the Dogs got it out of our forward 50 far too easily. Hes also a decent shot for goal.
And don't let anyone tell you umpiring doesn't influence results. Aside from the the Bontempelli fiasco, it would be nice if there was some consistency with the holding the ball or incorrect disposal decisions. At critical times when we had momentum we got dudded on a few obvious ones and the Bulldogs got goals at the other end.
Dow's free when he put us in front was the only crucial one that went our way all day.
I think if Kerridge was to come in he should be played at half forward. He tackles and gets the football and by god we need anyone who can hold the ball in the forward line.
Besides getting murdered out of the middle, the Dogs got it out of our forward 50 far too easily. Hes also a decent shot for goal.
And don't let anyone tell you umpiring doesn't influence results. Aside from the the Bontempelli fiasco, it would be nice if there was some consistency with the holding the ball or incorrect disposal decisions. At critical times when we had momentum we got dudded on a few obvious ones and the Bulldogs got goals at the other end.
Dow's free when he put us in front was the only crucial one that went our way all day.
For me it was the defensive "handovers" that we screwed up on the weekend. They kicked a few goals from blokes on their own in the F50 due to sloppy defence and communication.
For me it was the defensive "handovers" that we screwed up on the weekend. They kicked a few goals from blokes on their own in the F50 due to sloppy defence and communication.
Yes, I get the strong impression that we still haven't got ourselves properly organised down back. Doesn't help that our midfield is so poor resulting in the defence too often being under seige.
Yes, I get the strong impression that we still haven't got ourselves properly organised down back. Doesn't help that our midfield is so poor resulting in the defence too often being under seige.
Their mids tore us a new one it was obvious on the day, after that it became more about what they do with the ball than what we do! We are just lucky despite all the ball they won they looked disorganized and disheveled.
I think Beveridge is a coach who had a formulaic approach that worked almost by surprise in the first season and a bit. Now that it's been picked apart at the highest level by the better teams it's only likely to work erratically against weaker opponents. if our mids had provided more run and pressure we might well have won, because our defence did well forcing the Bulldogs to become indecisive for almost 3-1/2 quarters.
A lot of the time our defence looks OK but it's those occasional lapses into confusion that show we don't quite have it 100% yet. BB seems determined to persevere with it though. A better midfield would no doubt be a big help.
A lot of the time our defence looks OK but it's those occasional lapses into confusion that show we don't quite have it 100% yet. BB seems determined to persevere with it though. A better midfield would no doubt be a big help.
Docherty and Williamson will make a huge difference.
One is AA and the other is a very tough competitor with speed, size and a good kick.
Docherty and Williamson will make a huge difference.
One is AA and the other is a very tough competitor with speed, size and a good kick.
How is Williamson?.....is he back doing light training, heard conflicting reports about how serious his back injuries are?
Really want him back in the team as he is a class player in the making....
How is Williamson?.....is he back doing light training, heard conflicting reports about how serious his back injuries are?
Really want him back in the team as he is a class player in the making....
He was always going to be out for the season, he is no worse than McKay was a year or so ago!
Watching football at 5am was interesting. Amazing how much more grumpy you get watching footy at that time when things aren't going as they should. Wonder what people in the other room thought hearing some idiot swear at the phone in a foreign language. Lol.
Beauty about the Telstra roaming, I can watch on the app with no data charging.
Watching football at 5am was interesting. Amazing how much more grumpy you get watching footy at that time when things aren't going as they should. Wonder what people in the other room thought hearing some idiot swear at the phone in a foreign language. Lol.
Beauty about the Telstra roaming, I can watch on the app with no data charging.
Any streaming/buffering issues Jim?
Any streaming/buffering issues Jim?
Occasional but short periods and not that often.
With Charlie, Harry, TDK & Weitering it is clear we have our big man stocks sorted out for the future, especially with Kerr, Macreadie and hopefuly Ben Silvagni to come through. I think with Docherty, Byrne, Plowman, Marchbank, SoJ, Williamson, & Schumacher means I believe we have our future defence and utilities sorted. What we need sorted is our midfield mosquito fleet supporting Cripps. Dow, O'Brien, SPS, Fisher, Pickett, Garlett, Lang, Kennedy, Cunningham, Polson and those we bring in through the next draft need to improve and build up our mid-field and small forward pressure and goal kicking ability. That is what I got out of Sunday's game.
Occasional but short periods and not that often.
Good to know for future reference. Thanks Jim.
Is it just me or does others notice that Obrien is tracking along nicely and considering the midfield he has found himself in, he has delivered a very decent first year. Dow gets the credit but this kid is tracking very well in Dows shadow.
I know he has a long way to go but he hits a target by foot as good as any of our kids, in fact Im more comfortable with the ball in this kids hand then many of our senior guys.
Plus his fitness is amazing for a first year player. The kid runs and runs and is one of the few that finds space late in games.
He doesn't have the tricks of Dow but im confident this kid will make it.
Is it just me or does others notice that Obrien is tracking along nicely and considering the midfield he has found himself in, he has delivered a very decent first year. Dow gets the credit but this kid is tracking very well in Dows shadow.
I know he has a long way to go but he hits a target by foot as good as any of our kids, in fact Im more comfortable with the ball in this kids hand then many of our senior guys.
Plus his fitness is amazing for a first year player. The kid runs and runs and is one of the few that finds space late in games.
He doesn't have the tricks of Dow but im confident this kid will make it.
I'm a LoB fan. In respect of both Dow and LoB, when you consider :
a. their age
b. first season in AFL and number of games played
c. our win / loss and ladder position
d. the calibre of their team mates (except Cripps) isn't great
e. their opposition, which as far as mids go, are frequently better/ older / stronger / surrounded by better players...
the fact that both of them have shown even occasional good form is nothing short of amazing.
Is it just me or does others notice that Obrien is tracking along nicely and considering the midfield he has found himself in, he has delivered a very decent first year. Dow gets the credit but this kid is tracking very well in Dows shadow.
I know he has a long way to go but he does the critical skill of hitting a target as good as any of our kids.
Plus his fitness is amazing for a first year player. The kid runs and runs and is one of the few that finds space late in games.
He doesn't have the tricks of Dow but im confident this kid will make it.
I guess I'm the opposite with Obrien...I dont see anything great at all that would tell me he is a lock to make it as a senior player or was worth pick 10, his kicking for the most part has been average and his decision making and attack on the ball are inconsistent IMO. On his day he is a good kick but too many times I have seen him turn it over too. I much prefer Dow who attacks the ball well, has pace and while his kicking too can be indifferent with him its more about being over zealous than picking the wrong target.
IMO OBrien is no better than say a player like Worpel who Hawthorn recruited at pick 45, in fact I'd rather have Worpel at this stage.....
Is it just me or does others notice that Obrien is tracking along nicely and considering the midfield he has found himself in, he has delivered a very decent first year. Dow gets the credit but this kid is tracking very well in Dows shadow.
I know he has a long way to go but he hits a target by foot as good as any of our kids, in fact Im more comfortable with the ball in this kids hand then many of our senior guys.
Plus his fitness is amazing for a first year player. The kid runs and runs and is one of the few that finds space late in games.
He doesn't have the tricks of Dow but im confident this kid will make it.
Spot on Shawny. And whilst its been a long season for the young blokes, you cant question OB's effort and endeavours. I cant remember the game but it was early in the season but OB coughed up the footy and a TO occurred. He got on his bike and ran nearly the length of the field to make the tackle to stop the goal. He certainly is a fit bugger with bloody good endurance that for sure. And he will only get better, I see us ending up with our own version of Tom Scully (endurance beast).
Is it just me or does others notice that Obrien is tracking along nicely and considering the midfield he has found himself in, he has delivered a very decent first year. Dow gets the credit but this kid is tracking very well in Dows shadow.
I know he has a long way to go but he hits a target by foot as good as any of our kids, in fact Im more comfortable with the ball in this kids hand then many of our senior guys.
Plus his fitness is amazing for a first year player. The kid runs and runs and is one of the few that finds space late in games.
He doesn't have the tricks of Dow but im confident this kid will make it.
I agree. He's kicked the odd clanger, but I'm putting that down to being a skinny newbie. He has a very nice pass on him. Importantly it is a nice fluent action and he can kick darts or long. He's already a top class runner, but he'll get even fitter, he's only had 1 preseason! And once he gets more game sense and the players gell with each other, he'll be used more to advantage. He sure ain't a contested beast, but he has good pace, excellent endurance, a nice kick, and knows how to find space, and then deliver upfield to advantage. He ticks a lot of boxes. We need outside runners who can run to space and deliver to our forwards. SOS spent pick 10 on him for a reason. We'll see in about 3-5 years if he was right.
I guess I'm the opposite with Obrien...I dont see anything great at all that would tell me he is a lock to make it as a senior player or was worth pick 10, his kicking for the most part has been average and his decision making and attack on the ball are inconsistent IMO. On his day he is a good kick but too many times I have seen him turn it over too. I much prefer Dow who attacks the ball well, has pace and while his kicking too can be indifferent with him its more about being over zealous than picking the wrong target.
IMO OBrien is no better than say a player like Worpel who Hawthorn recruited at pick 45, in fact I'd rather have Worpel at this stage.....
We will find that out more in the next few years. Showing more each game.
It's interesting to debate our scorched earth list tactic, did / does it accelerate or retard development of the youth!
To me it's not clear but we've no option, we must play them even if we break a few, our club cannot have it's cake and eat it!
I worry though, will they have ever achieved their true peak after this scorched earth tactic is done with them, or will they just become stepping stones(bodies in the trench) for the next generation of players?
Is it just me or does others notice that Obrien is tracking along nicely and considering the midfield he has found himself in, he has delivered a very decent first year. Dow gets the credit but this kid is tracking very well in Dows shadow.
I know he has a long way to go but he hits a target by foot as good as any of our kids, in fact Im more comfortable with the ball in this kids hand then many of our senior guys.
Plus his fitness is amazing for a first year player. The kid runs and runs and is one of the few that finds space late in games.
He doesn't have the tricks of Dow but im confident this kid will make it.
For a kid thrown in at the deep end and not given the opportunity to learn and hone his craft in the Magoos, I reckon he's improved as the year has progressed and no doubt learned a lot from some of the cats he's played on. There have been sufficient glimpses from him to indicate a great attitude, endeavour and attack on the aggot. The kid can run all day and I'm in the optimistic camp with this young fella.