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Title: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on April 29, 2022, 08:40:54 pm
Interesting to see if we can we can win the injuries we have. With a full list we'd murder this mob. But when do we have a full list? Hasn't happen this century yet.

This weekend Channel 7 is showing only 2 games, and we're not it. Remarkable. Even Essendon gets 3 Friday nights on TV in a row when they can't win a game.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on April 30, 2022, 11:26:55 am
Interesting to see if we can we can win the injuries we have. With a full list we'd murder this mob. But when do we have a full list? Hasn't happen this century yet.

This weekend Channel 7 is showing only 2 games, and we're not it. Remarkable. Even Essendon gets 3 Friday nights on TV in a row when they can't win a game.
But they are 1 of the big 4!
The Filth, Tiggers, Dawks and the Cheats.  :P
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on April 30, 2022, 02:35:19 pm
But they are 1 of the big 4!
The Filth, Tiggers, Dawks and the Cheats.  :P
Yes, lucky for us we only come 2nd in the TV ratings behind the Filth, we might not feature at all if we were unfortunate enough to come 1st!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 02, 2022, 09:10:21 pm
I reckon if Young misses, I reckon Kemp might have to come in and he and SOS can share filling the void down back.
So for me
Outs are Young* Stocker Newnes
Ins are Kemp Dow Hewett
Med Sub Willo or Cottrell
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on May 02, 2022, 10:15:19 pm
Tend to agree GTC....if Young goes out, one of Williamson or Kemp, will have to play down back.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Blue Moon on May 03, 2022, 12:28:20 pm
I wrote a couple of weeks ago about how Carlton hadn't won by ten goals or a hundred points in years. A 50 point win against North was solid. This season we have probably left 100 points out on the park with our second half fade outs against Port and Hawthorn which has adversely affected our percentage. Often with teams like Carlton when they make a charge up the ladder they often win a number of close games that over inflates their performance. With Carlton, the two close games should never have been close which actually undermines our apparent performance. This week is another opportunity to put in a solid performance and achieve a solid winning margin. It is also an opportunity to go six and two which means we only need to win six of the last 14 games to make the finals. It will be interesting to see which Carlton turns up, the one that will work hard and achieve a good victory or the self indulgent team that has achieved nothing but think and play like millionaires. This is the challenge, to turn up and play each week and play out the whole game.
I didn't get to see a lot of last week's game due to family commitments however it did seem that Fisher was kicking the ball a lot sooner and more deeply than what he has been previously doing this season. My criticism of Fisher is that he does to much thinking and not enough doing. Hopefully he has turned that around.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 03, 2022, 01:56:21 pm
It will be interesting to see which Carlton turns up, the one that will work hard and achieve a good victory or the self indulgent team that has achieved nothing but think and play like millionaires. This is the challenge, to turn up and play each week and play out the whole game.
As a player, I know which one Vossy turned up as each and every week. Therefore, I know with 100% certainty which type he demands turns up each and every week. When they dont, there will be hell to pay.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on May 03, 2022, 03:37:18 pm
I reckon if Young misses, I reckon Kemp might have to come in and he and SOS can share filling the void down back.
So for me
Outs are Young* Stocker Newnes
Ins are Kemp Dow Hewett
Med Sub Willo or Cottrell

  I'd make Zac Williams the Medical Sub and send him a message.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Mav on May 03, 2022, 05:49:50 pm
Tonight is the night ... fingers crossed.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ianh on May 03, 2022, 07:58:15 pm
Young cleared and available to play
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on May 03, 2022, 07:59:19 pm
Sanity prevails.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on May 03, 2022, 08:52:37 pm
Fingers crossed Hewett gets up....probably him in for Stocker and that'd probably be it. I think Newnes and O'Brien did enough to hold their spots, along with Jack Carroll. Maybe Dow is medical sub again unless he replaced one of Fisher, Durdin or Owies....but I like with the Owies/Durdin combination brings up forward and Fisher has that speed that we don't have a whole lot of.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pinot on May 04, 2022, 04:21:02 pm
Williams and Hewett ins I reckon.
Stocker and Cottrell as outs.
Someone as emergency.
Too many injuries and a joke again we will field a stronger team this week.

Time for the club to put a line through injury riddled players that can't get on the park and replace them with draftees.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 04, 2022, 05:52:27 pm
Williams and Hewett ins I reckon.
Stocker and Cottrell as outs.
Someone as emergency.
Too many injuries and a joke again we will field a stronger team this week.

Time for the club to put a line through injury riddled players that can't get on the park and replace them with draftees.
On SEN this morning they were saying George is no certainty to come back this week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on May 04, 2022, 05:57:12 pm
On SEN this morning they were saying George is no certainty to come back this week.
Wouldn't be surprised. He looked very very sore last week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 04, 2022, 06:24:09 pm
Does anybody know where Stocker is at,  I really like the cut of his jib.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 04, 2022, 06:32:56 pm
Does anybody know where Stocker is at,  I really like the cut of his jib.
Said he will miss maybe 2 weeks.....which is a good result.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 04, 2022, 09:33:25 pm
Thanks Krud
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: pew2 on May 05, 2022, 03:04:35 pm
carlton  2 weeks for stocker means3/4and Hewett not 100% dont play him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on May 05, 2022, 04:53:32 pm
SEN hot rumour is that Kreuzer is back in full training!!  (Could be doing a Mummy!!)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: BluePhantom on May 05, 2022, 06:06:02 pm
SEN hot rumour is that Kreuzer is back in full training!!  (Could be doing a Mummy!!)
He probably still beats all of our ruckmen at training  :o
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on May 05, 2022, 06:07:34 pm
With the greatest respect to Kreuzer, injuries cruelled him for most of his career, especially towards the end. Not sure it would be a wise move if that rumour is even remotely true.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 05, 2022, 06:13:54 pm
SEN hot rumour is that Kreuzer is back in full training!!  (Could be doing a Mummy!!)

Certainly not the worst idea you could have.

However, how many weeks would we get out of him before he injures himself too?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 05, 2022, 06:23:13 pm
Certainly not the worst idea you could have.

However, how many weeks would we get out of him before he injures himself too?

A couple....maybe. ::)
Smacks a bit of desperation.
But I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 05, 2022, 06:40:41 pm
Be a No to Kreuzer returning from me.....another bandaid fix and he would probably breakdown as was suggested.
Didnt work for GWS with Mummy and I'd rather recruit a player thats playing some footy somewhere or the best kid ruck I could get and look longer term.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on May 05, 2022, 06:56:54 pm
I just don't believe the rumour ... period
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 05, 2022, 07:19:04 pm
The squad for the game has been released and Hewett isn't in it.
On the other hand, Williams, Dow, Motlop and Boyd are.
Carroll is a certain starter, being named in the 18. Others are less certain: Jack Silvagni has been named on the extended bench.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 05, 2022, 07:38:58 pm
The squad for the game has been released and Hewett isn't in it.
On the other hand, Williams, Dow, Motlop and Boyd are.
Carroll is a certain starter, being named in the 18. Others are less certain: Jack Silvagni has been named on the extended bench.
INTERCHANGE FROM:
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[3] Jesse Motlop,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[24] Nic Newman,
[7] Matthew Kennedy,
[44] Matthew Owies,
[1] Jack Silvagni

Williams is also in the 18 and will be playing.

From the bench you'd pick Silvagni, Owies or Motlop, Kennedy or Dow and the last spot is completely up for grabs IMO, Newman probably the favourite at this stage.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 05, 2022, 07:43:16 pm
If you had to go into a final with Jack Silvagni, Pittonet with a freshly recovered PCL injury and no exposed form, Tom De Koning, or Matthew Kreuzer, who would you pick?

I know I would pick Matty K.

He is a match winner, and with our midfield doing what it does, he would be possibly the best mid season draftee we could go for.  I would LTI another player and take another tall for the defense, and then we have the additional depth we need IMHO.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 05, 2022, 08:25:33 pm
If you had to go into a final with Jack Silvagni, Pittonet with a freshly recovered PCL injury and no exposed form, Tom De Koning, or Matthew Kreuzer, who would you pick?

I know I would pick Matty K.

He is a match winner, and with our midfield doing what it does, he would be possibly the best mid season draftee we could go for.  I would LTI another player and take another tall for the defense, and then we have the additional depth we need IMHO.
Say we did draft him for a year and we made finals, what a way to repay him and send him off properly.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on May 05, 2022, 08:30:40 pm
I think we all have a soft spot for Humphrey. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 05, 2022, 08:34:14 pm
INTERCHANGE FROM:
[46] Matthew Cottrell,
[3] Jesse Motlop
[2] Paddy Dow,
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[24] Nic Newman,
[7] Matthew Kennedy (MED SUB)
[44] Matthew Owies,
[1] Jack Silvagni

FOR MINE
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: capcom on May 05, 2022, 08:43:56 pm
FOR MINE

Yep, same here GTC.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: rocky on May 05, 2022, 08:49:31 pm
INTERCHANGE FROM:
[46] Matthew Cottrell - Not a chance
[3] Jesse Motlop - Don't think so
[2] Paddy Dow - On form should get a go but probably the med sub, again.
[37] Jordan Boyd - Not a chance
[24] Nic Newman - Played too well to be dropped
[7] Matthew Kennedy  - Cannot possibly be dropped
[44] Matthew Owies - based on Dow not getting picked will probably play
[1] Jack Silvagni - Cannot possibly be dropped
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: northernblue on May 05, 2022, 09:35:15 pm
Be a No to Kreuzer returning from me.....another bandaid fix and he would probably breakdown as was suggested.
Didnt work for GWS with Mummy and I'd rather recruit a player thats playing some footy somewhere or the best kid ruck I could get and look longer term.

How far do you want to look ?
The big fella has had 18 months to get over his niggles and IF refreshed could ruck 50/50 with DeKonning and allow DeKonning to return to the dangerous (looking…) forward role from early in the year.
If Pitto was fit and Mirkov was more advanced we wouldn’t consider the move, but for a 6 month contract is there really a downside ?
Is there a state league ruck who you’re confident would deliver more ?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 05, 2022, 10:25:35 pm
If you had to go into a final with Jack Silvagni, Pittonet with a freshly recovered PCL injury and no exposed form, Tom De Koning, or Matthew Kreuzer, who would you pick?

I know I would pick Matty K.

He is a match winner, and with our midfield doing what it does, he would be possibly the best mid season draftee we could go for.  I would LTI another player and take another tall for the defense, and then we have the additional depth we need IMHO.
I'd pick pittonet, tdk and Jack.
Don't need kreuzer then.

He might’ve been a match winner, but times have changed.

Tdk would obliterate kreuzer now.
He is quicker, more agile, can jump higher and has the same hunger for the contest. Sure he is still a little bit raw, bit kreuzer is a little bit overcooked.

Picking kreuzer over pittonet or tdk is sacrificing the hitout, which has been a strength of ours, giving our mids first use.

All that being said, I'd take kreuzer in the msd simply to cover for injuries to all of the above.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on May 05, 2022, 11:06:37 pm
Hard to believe Kreuzer still only 32! 33 next week but two years out not keeping playing fitness or weight program is a long way back . Mumford always knew he was coming back and played a different physical game to Kreuzer who was more athlete.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 05, 2022, 11:35:27 pm
How far do you want to look ?
The big fella has had 18 months to get over his niggles and IF refreshed could ruck 50/50 with DeKonning and allow DeKonning to return to the dangerous (looking…) forward role from early in the year.
If Pitto was fit and Mirkov was more advanced we wouldn’t consider the move, but for a 6 month contract is there really a downside ?
Is there a state league ruck who you’re confident would deliver more ?
I'd pick Max Ramsden 19 in the mid season rookie draft, nominated for the draft last season but has been outstanding for Sandy Dragons this season. 202cm, very athletic and looks and plays like Max King.
If I was taking a second pick I would take Blake Schlensog aged 21 from Sth Fremantle can play KP back and forward@199cm and 100kg.
I'd prefer to play Mirkov with TDK and run Ramsden in the twos with the future in mind and I am looking much further ahead as I dont see us just yet as GF material but I'd like to build my ruck division with what I see as quality while I can get it. ie Ramsden
I look at Darcy, Draper, Reeves etc and see how they have developed with opportunity and I see Mirkov improving each week and would prefer to see him get game time than bring Kreuzer back. His job is coaching now and if he wants to play he can run around in the VFL and train my young group of ruckman.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2022, 07:17:31 am
I'd pick Max Ramsden 19 in the mid season rookie draft, nominated for the draft last season but has been outstanding for Sandy Dragons this season. 202cm, very athletic and looks and plays like Max King.
If I was taking a second pick I would take Blake Schlensog aged 21 from Sth Fremantle can play KP back and forward@199cm and 100kg.
I'd prefer to play Mirkov with TDK and run Ramsden in the twos with the future in mind and I am looking much further ahead as I dont see us just yet as GF material but I'd like to build my ruck division with what I see as quality while I can get it. ie Ramsden
I look at Darcy, Draper, Reeves etc and see how they have developed with opportunity and I see Mirkov improving each week and would prefer to see him get game time than bring Kreuzer back. His job is coaching now and if he wants to play he can run around in the VFL and train my young group of ruckman.

No one is serious about Kreuzer surely. He was cooked 2 years ago, you can't uncook something.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2022, 07:33:37 am
Nicks out due to covid and to be replaced by Scott Burns, no stand in coach has lost this year. Just saying.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 06, 2022, 08:13:10 am
Nicks out due to covid and to be replaced by Scott Burns, no stand in coach has lost this year. Just saying.
Yes, it's the devil we do not know!

Voss is just the man to break the trend!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2022, 10:41:24 am
I’d love to know what the MC see in Boyd. Loses his feet, ordinary disposal, gives away too many frees and cant defend.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 06, 2022, 10:48:33 am
I’d love to know what the MC see in Boyd. Loses his feet, ordinary disposal, gives away too many frees and cant defend.
Not sure they see that, I suspect you have based your assessment on one quarter of Perth based football, and that's no justification for judging any non-Perth based player! :o

Perth crowd baying, local umpires compliant, Freo on a roll, shizen happens! We already know about the statistics of playing in Perth and what that means for visiting teams, it's hard to beat just ask Judd.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2022, 11:29:41 am
Not sure they see that, I suspect you have based your assessment on one quarter of Perth based football, and that's no justification for judging any non-Perth based player! :o

Perth crowd baying, local umpires compliant, Freo on a roll, shizen happens! We already know about the statistics of playing in Perth and what that means for visiting teams, it's hard to beat just ask Judd.
I'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 06, 2022, 11:45:51 am
I tend to agree with GI2C.

Cant understand why he gets a game.  Freo was an improvement on his previous match, but not by a lot.  I would argue, we gain more by playing others in his role. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 06, 2022, 01:15:33 pm
I'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.
Almost 70% of the negative stats you seem to identify came in a handful of minutes in one game out of the only three AFL games he has ever played, and you've written him off!

I'm sorry GTC, but I'm glad you aren't in charge of our list, if you were player development would be non-existent!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 06, 2022, 01:48:52 pm
I'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.
Agree, I'd question why we went another small poor man's Caleb Daniel defender when we have that position covered.
The fact he isn't very good just mystifies the decision even more. Turnover merchant by foot, average decision maker and a loose defender.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 06, 2022, 04:23:32 pm
I tend to agree with GI2C.

Cant understand why he gets a game.  Freo was an improvement on his previous match, but not by a lot.  I would argue, we gain more by playing others in his role. 
Agree, he should be a last resort in defence and whilst I understand they play difference positions, not ahead of the likes of Dow, Motlop, Carroll et al.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 06, 2022, 06:14:07 pm
Only one change. ZW in for the injured Stocks.

Cottrell, Boyd, Dow and Motlop the emergencies.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 06, 2022, 06:59:39 pm
I'm basing it on what my eyes see and have seen for 45 odd years watching football. Couldnt give a flying F#$% where they play, green grass, white lines on the ground with four sticks at either end, hostile supporters, same as every ground. IMO he isn't AFL standard or at least the AFL standard we require.

I only needed 1 match, and a practice match at that to come to the same conclusion. People thought i was being too harsh off the back of a praccy match, but when you've got it, you've got it...and when you don't its even more obvious.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 06, 2022, 07:41:51 pm
Boyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.

Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.

sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?

Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.

LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.

Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.

I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 06, 2022, 08:15:38 pm
Backs:  Zac Williams  Jacob Weitering  Nic Newman
Half-backs:  Adam Saad  Lewis Young  Sam Docherty
Centreline:  Jack Carroll  Patrick Cripps  Lochie O'Brien
Half-forwards:  Zac Fisher  Charlie Curnow  Jack Martin
Forwards:  Matthew Owies  Harry McKay  Corey Durdin
Followers:  Tom De Koning  Sam Walsh  Adam Cerra
Interchange:  Matthew Kennedy  Jack Newnes  Lachie Plowman  Jack Silvagni
Emergencies:  Jordan Boyd  Matthew Cottrell  Paddy Dow  Jesse Motlop
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: madbluboy on May 06, 2022, 09:10:40 pm
Boyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.

Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.

sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?

Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.

LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.

Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.

I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!

Multiple premierships there hey?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 06, 2022, 10:29:33 pm
Boyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.

Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.

sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?

Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.

LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.

Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.

I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!
Boyd was a mid season rookie pick from the Dogs VFL list...Weitering was a highly touted No 1 pick with different expectations.
Murphy see Weitering, LOB, and Plowman were all top ten picks so again different expectations and bars to set and reach.
Eddie was a good get but I think the messiah label was probably more appropriate at the Crows, when we got him back he was half cooked, winding down and was more valuable as a consul for players like Martin.
Why would we recruit Boyd when we had just taken on Saad and Williams and already had Docherty and Stocker as smaller rebounders/ defenders especially when the first three are that rebounding kick winning distributor type in the main like Boyd?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Thryleon on May 06, 2022, 10:47:42 pm
Boyd was a mid season rookie pick from the Dogs VFL list...Weitering was a highly touted No 1 pick with different expectations.
Murphy see Weitering, LOB, and Plowman were all top ten picks so again different expectations and bars to set and reach.
Eddie was a good get but I think the messiah label was probably more appropriate at the Crows, when we got him back he was half cooked, winding down and was more valuable as a consul for players like Martin.
Why would we recruit Boyd when we had just taken on Saad and Williams and already had Docherty and Stocker as smaller rebounders/ defenders especially when the first three are that rebounding kick winning distributor type in the main like Boyd?

My guess is boyd was a docherty cover.  Only thing that makes sense is we weren't anticipating docs return.

Aside from that I don't see a lot, but im willing to be patient. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Swan43 on May 06, 2022, 11:15:43 pm
Agree but ... attitude.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2022, 09:16:31 am
Boyd is a newbie, there were many on here saying as much about Weitering in his first season, and some even in the 2nd.

Jones was written of by most fans as a deadset waste of time and money, for how many seasons, and now he's dearly missed.

sMurph never stopped being sledged by many Carlton fans as soft and each week was going to be his last, how many games?

Betts was rubbished early, much the same as Boyd, left as a traitor and returned as a messiah.

LoB rubbish, always was always will be apparently, now it seems things seem to have changed.

Plowman has been a spud from day one onwards to eternity.

I'll reserve judgement of players beyond the 3 game limit!

Rewriting a bit of history there mate.

Every single player throughout history has had their detractors and naysayers.....but its usually pretty clear why they were picked up and if they can handle it.

The players you mentioned above all showed signs at various stages. Some needed a position change, some confidence, some people to put their own bias aside.

Boyd is not a kid, he should be further ahead than he is.....and there has been limited improvement in close to a year now.....and in reality he has gone backwards despite being given plenty of 'airtime' to show his wares.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 07, 2022, 10:51:31 am
Boyd is not a kid, he should be further ahead than he is.....and there has been limited improvement in close to a year now.....and in reality he has gone backwards despite being given plenty of 'airtime' to show his wares.
And yet someone like Marchbank plays VFL today!

I'm not pro or anti Boyd, but if we pick players up they should be given a reasonable run free of injury to make their mark. Now if I recall Boyd was flying in his first couple of VFL games and got a major injury and was out for a chunk of last season, the game he got injured those of us who watch VFL regularly stated he should have been an AFL in after just a handful of VFL games. I'm not even sure a COVID season counts as a normal opportunity to develop players.

Players need a trick to feature in AFL, and Boyd has a boot on him that is significant given good form and a run of uninterrupted development. Whether he turns into a durable AFL option might come down to luck, just like Marchbank.

Voss says he likes what he sees about Boyd, he says the same about Marchbank, I've no reason as yet to distrust Voss in fact I back him in because Voss is filling me full of confidence win or lose as each week passes!

If Voss has a spot for Boyd then Boyd has a spot, plain and simple.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Baggers on May 07, 2022, 12:06:58 pm
And yet someone like Marchbank plays VFL today!

I'm not pro or anti Boyd, but if we pick players up they should be given a reasonable run free of injury to make their mark. Now if I recall Boyd was flying in his first couple of VFL games and got a major injury and was out for a chunk of last season, the game he got injured those of us who watch VFL regularly stated he should have been an AFL in after just a handful of VFL games. I'm not even sure a COVID season counts as a normal opportunity to develop players.

Players need a trick to feature in AFL, and Boyd has a boot on him that is significant given good form and a run of uninterrupted development. Whether he turns into a durable AFL option might come down to luck, just like Marchbank.

Voss says he likes what he sees about Boyd, he says the same about Marchbank, I've no reason as yet to distrust Voss in fact I back him in because Voss is filling me full of confidence win or lose as each week passes!

If Voss has a spot for Boyd then Boyd has a spot, plain and simple.

Well said, Spotted One. The Vossmeister said on arrival that every player, with him, had a blank slate. You cannot ask for any more than that. Same goes for Boyd. Like everyone, he's got 2022 to prove himself.

Like many, I've been disappointed with what Boyd has shown, until very recently. His last game in the VFL was a ripper. He has something going for him that is trumps in anyone's book, a terrific attitude and work ethic. Although he's delivered some howlers on field, he's also shown some encouraging glimpses. Owing to so many injuries, in some respects, he's been thrown in the deep end and not had the opportunity to develop confidence in the Magoos. Let's give the kid a chance.

Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: WASurfer on May 07, 2022, 01:27:25 pm
Boyd a late in for Plowman.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Lods on May 07, 2022, 01:29:29 pm
Boyd a late in for Plowman.

He's.....back ;D
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Professer E on May 07, 2022, 01:56:53 pm
Tanking
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LoveNavy on May 07, 2022, 03:20:46 pm
I haven’t seen enough from Boyd to convince me he’s an asset. Hope he shows us that he is tomorrow.

On a positive note. I see our match is broadcast on Arabic radio.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2022, 03:36:37 pm
Backs:  Zac Williams  Jacob Weitering  Nic Newman
Half-backs:  Adam Saad  Lewis Young  Sam Docherty
Centreline:  Jack Carroll  Patrick Cripps  Lochie O'Brien
Half-forwards:  Zac Fisher  Charlie Curnow  Jack Martin
Forwards:  Matthew Owies  Harry McKay  Corey Durdin
Followers:  Tom De Koning  Sam Walsh  Adam Cerra
Interchange:  Matthew Kennedy  Jack Newnes  Lachie Plowman  Jack Silvagni
Emergencies:  Jordan Boyd  Matthew Cottrell  Paddy Dow  Jesse Motlop

If Boyd is made the sub Ill spew up
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: crashlander on May 07, 2022, 03:41:02 pm
If Boyd is made the sub Ill spew up
He's in the 21: Plowman is out ill. Setters has been added to the emergencies.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: LP on May 07, 2022, 03:48:42 pm
Like many, I've been disappointed with what Boyd has shown, until very recently. His last game in the VFL was a ripper. He has something going for him that is trumps in anyone's book, a terrific attitude and work ethic. Although he's delivered some howlers on field, he's also shown some encouraging glimpses. Owing to so many injuries, in some respects, he's been thrown in the deep end and not had the opportunity to develop confidence in the Magoos. Let's give the kid a chance.
Fans do not appreciate the step up it takes from VFL to AFL, the fans carry on about how much tougher and harder AFL is, but it isn't really. If you replaced all 750 odd AFL players with the next 750 down you would barely notice a difference in play after a week or two of coaching.

The big difference, and this is the thing fans do not get, is the crowd.

There is no talking to team-mates, directing traffic, calling for the footy, etc., etc., as in 95% of cases nobody can hear shizen out on The G or on Docklands. It takes lots of games for players to get acclimatised to playing footy with what is effectively their head in a bucket. It's weird, all the noise in the world, and not a thing you can hear from any more than an arms length away or so!

Some players just fit right into it, I presume they are types who don't listen to team-mates anyway, others take a while!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2022, 03:50:14 pm
He's in the 21: Plowman is out ill. Setters has been added to the emergencies.
great, I look forward to watching his contribution.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: townsendcalling on May 07, 2022, 06:43:15 pm
Cotrell looks like the medical sub. Dow, Motlop and Setterfield all in the VFL starting lineup.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: dfadams on May 07, 2022, 06:52:04 pm
Chance to go top 4 with a win and the Saints lose.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 07, 2022, 08:04:51 pm
Fans do not appreciate the step up it takes from VFL to AFL, the fans carry on about how much tougher and harder AFL is, but it isn't really. If you replaced all 750 odd AFL players with the next 750 down you would barely notice a difference in play after a week or two of coaching.

The big difference, and this is the thing fans do not get, is the crowd.

There is no talking to team-mates, directing traffic, calling for the footy, etc., etc., as in 95% of cases nobody can hear shizen out on The G or on Docklands. It takes lots of games for players to get acclimatised to playing footy with what is effectively their head in a bucket. It's weird, all the noise in the world, and not a thing you can hear from any more than an arms length away or so!

Some players just fit right into it, I presume they are types who don't listen to team-mates anyway, others take a while!
And you are 'pro-boyd' based on VFL form and then write this?

His weapon IS his kicking....and he has been extremely average by foot in the AFL, thus his '1 thing' is a thing no more. Thus, not worthy of an extended run.

He panics too much under pressure (or perceived pressure) and the step up to AFL level is just too much for him.
We cut blokes like Gibbons for a bloke like Boyd.
limited strings, but steady output
vs
one string that has broken with barely any output at all.

Look at what Dow is producing in the 2's....and he can't get a gig.
Boyd can.
Now slightly different roles, but considering both would be coming in off the bench, its much of a muchness. Play the better player!

Boyd is playing on a wing
Dow would play in the guts.
Move walsh from the guts to the wing, so dow can play in the guts and overall the team is better with Dow in it vs Boyd....even if Boyd plays more of a position of need.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 07, 2022, 08:07:54 pm
Dow tearing it up in the twos...again. He'll do well at Richmond next year.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 8 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide
Post by: kruddler on May 08, 2022, 04:28:03 pm
Win this and we are in the top 4, 1 game up on the rest of the top 8 (albeit with poorer %).

Must win game.
Hopefully with a % boost along the way, but i'll take a 1 point win as long as its a win.