A bit of a roller coaster game, but a game we won comfortably to put us into the top 4.
A good three quarter effort.
Yep that final quarter was disappointing for so many reasons.
Very happy with that win but we looked really spent by the end. From what Crippa said at the end of game interview I think we will be looking to improve our fitness in order to finish games off more strongly.
Top four after eight rounds which is over 1/3 of the season is a fantastic effort and playing some great football
Just seeing Charlie and Doc ripping it apart warms the heart more than one knows. Hopefully Marchy returns in this team next month.
The upside in this team is immense.
I'm more than happy with our last quarter. Adelaide were gifted a couple of goals and our forwards were robbed of several scoring opportunities. More importantly, we maintained our structure and stuck to the gameplan. Adelaide may have won the quarter on the scoreboard but it was a hollow victory; we played better footy but didn't get the rewards.
While not in our best players by a long shot, I think I can see why Vossy has persevered with Boyd. He worked hard, defended well and made every possession count.
That’s the first time I’ve felt confident we’d win. Although q4 is bit of a worry in terms of limited possessions.
4th place feels weird. Not complaining. I’ll work on getting used to it😵💫
I think that's our best effort this season by some margin.
I think it's bizarre that SoJ probably played one of his best games, yet might not even feature in the votes. Early Durdin was also at his best, but probably won't get a vote either.
I'm sure most who were yet to be convinced are now coming around to Voss as coach, I think the balance he has found between run versus size is about right at the moment.
While not in our best players by a long shot, I think I can see why Vossy has persevered with Boyd. He worked hard, defended well and made every possession count.
Easily his best game for the club but can he sustain it?
Cripps, Curnow and McKay must occupy many coaches' minds.
We have a few tough games before the bye .... and we need to win at least one of them.
.. and one other comment ... percentage is harder to improve the further the season goes on.
We just have to keep winning.
I think that's our best effort this season by some margin.
I think it's bizarre that SoJ probably played one of his best games, yet might not even feature in the votes. Early Durdin was also at his best, but probably won't get a vote either.
I'm sure most who were yet to be convinced are now coming around to Voss as coach, I think the balance he has found between run versus size is about right at the moment.
Adelaide are garbage and sure its a good win but you would be tempered into forming any real judgements good or bad on players or coaches based on that game. If Ben Keays is their fill in captain and their best senior mid apart from the injured and ageing Sloane then they have real problems. Butts and Frampton are about the worst KP defensive backs in the comp and Scott Burns hasnt ever got a senior job for a reason..
We should have won by 100 points with one leg in the air......
Agree with EB1. it was 5 goals lower margin than it could and arguably should have been, and quite a few whipping boys had a decent game but the opposition weren't much to write home about.
Geez, if we won by 95 some wouldn’t be happy unless we won by 96…
Regulation win over a crap side.
Next week is a bigger test, haven't won interstate yet.
You must be a treat at parties man…
It was a comfortable win.
I guess the disappointment mainly stems from the fact that our percentage is the lowest of any side inside the eight.
There was a real opportunity there to add a few points to that.
While it may not be a huge issue now, it could be at the end of the year.
It may determine if we make finals.
It may also determine our position inside the eight and double chances and home finals etc.
So when that opportunity presents itself and we don't take advantage of it, even if we do have a good win, there will be some level of disappointment.
Obligatory calf injury to Martin again
Absolutely Lods, but it’s still better than a 20 pt win.
Maybe people want to hark back to our glory days under Mick, Brendon and David…? 🤷🏼♂️
Geez, if we won by 95 some wouldn’t be happy unless we won by 96…
NB...Its a good win for sure but I wouldnt as I said I wouldnt be judging players on good or bad games today given the quality of the opposition. Some were suggesting I think in the ingame thread that Boyd had now surpassed Stocker as a small defender based on this game, thats the type of thinking we dont want to get sucked into.
Works both ways,I didnt think Zac Williams had a great game but I wouldnt be rushing to replace him next week vs his old team either as the ball didnt travel down back too much after half time and he copped a kick on his achillies.
TDK had the half the tapouts that Riley Obrien did but I thought our man was the more effective player.
Nic Newman had 9 marks and a lot of footy but I wouldnt be sucked into sticking him on Toby Greene next game either...
Absolutely Lods, but it’s still better than a 20 pt win.
Maybe people want to hark back to our glory days under Mick, Brendon and David…? 🤷🏼♂️
It certainly is better...
I guess with improvement though, the bar gets raised.
It's always going to be the case.
Expectations increase.
So now the 'expectation' is that if we have a team by the throat we finish them off.
That needs to be the aim, because there is still a feeling amongst some that we are susceptible to a lull where sides can quickly put goals on the board.
I still get the feeling it's a belief amongst opposition sides, which means if we don't maintain the scoreboard pressure they think they're a chance...no matter how far behind.
Regulation win over a crap side.
Next week is a bigger test, haven't won interstate yet.
Reckon the top 3 sides are ahead of the others, especially Melbourne, reckon we are as good as the rest.
Top 4. Bottom 4.
I know what I prefer after 8rounds.
Without doubt there’s plenty to develop, refine, and sustain. Our position atm suggests we’re on the right path. Particularly given the coaches have had 8 games to implement their plan.
Happy Bluebagger 😃
Had a chance to really put a team to the sword and didn't follow through in the last quarter, albeit that the scoreboard didn't reflect our continued superiority in general play. Percentage could be crucial at the end of the year and ours is pretty disappointing. Still I'd rather be rueing a lost opportunity to build percentage than a lost opportunity to bag 4 points so all in all pretty happy to comfortably win a game we should have comfortably won.
Sorry I didn't have the threads ready to go. I was at the game.
To be honest, I forgot. I didn't get on the computer this morning because my neck has been stiff.
I won't forget next time!
Sorry I didn't have the threads ready to go. I was at the game.
To be honest, I forgot. I didn't get on the computer this morning because my neck has been stiff.
I won't forget next time!
All good Crash, we all appreciate the stuff you do on the forum and hope that neck is feeling better.
All good Crash, we all appreciate the stuff you do on the forum and hope that neck is feeling better.
The problem comes from sitting in front of a computer screen so much, but, as a budding author, I don't have a lot of choice. I just have to manage things a bit better.
It is amazing how much less pain there is tonight, after an 8 goal win. I'm sure I'd be crippled if we lost. :) :)
NB...Its a good win for sure but I wouldnt as I said I wouldnt be judging players on good or bad games today given the quality of the opposition. Some were suggesting I think in the ingame thread that Boyd had now surpassed Stocker as a small defender based on this game, thats the type of thinking we dont want to get sucked into.
Works both ways,I didnt think Zac Williams had a great game but I wouldnt be rushing to replace him next week vs his old team either as the ball didnt travel down back too much after half time and he copped a kick on his achillies.
TDK had the half the tapouts that Riley Obrien did but I thought our man was the more effective player.
Nic Newman had 9 marks and a lot of footy but I wouldnt be sucked into sticking him on Toby Greene next game either...
It’s just a matter of banking the 4 points, sure an extra 3 goals would help our % but I’m happy at this point to get the 4 points, build on the guys doing the coaches job and try to lift the guys who are below par, it’s a long game.
Sorry I didn't have the threads ready to go. I was at the game.
To be honest, I forgot. I didn't get on the computer this morning because my neck has been stiff.
I won't forget next time!
No problem crash. We’re very grateful for your amazing commitment to CSC
No problem crash. We’re very grateful for your amazing commitment to CSC
I appreciate the thanks, but I've stuffed up twice this season. Can't let it become a habit.
Gotta beat teams above us sure, at the minute there are only 3 of them (for a change).
Love the fact many of us are complaining about playing only 3 qtrs yet we are 6-2 and in the top 4.
There is much to like.
Charlie, Crippa, TDK, SOS and Bam Bam tore the game a new one.
Fish has definitely lifted his work rate which is pleasing.
Even Cottrell provided run when he came on which is his strength.
Sorry I didn't have the threads ready to go. I was at the game.
To be honest, I forgot. I didn't get on the computer this morning because my neck has been stiff.
I won't forget next time!
Relax Crash, you do more than enough on this site.
Remember that these were the wins obtained by team that filled the 8th spot in the finals after 22 games (leaving aside 2020 which had a reduced number of games):
- 2021: 11 wins
- 2019: 12 wins
- 2018: 13 wins
- 2017: 12 wins & percentage, 105.7%
- 2016: 12 wins & percentage, 105.2%
The 13 win threshold was a bit of an anomaly as the bottom 4 were really bad (from Brisbane with 5 wins to Carlton with a measly 2 wins). So we really need 11 or 12 wins to make the 8. That means we only have to win 5 or 6 out of the remaining 14 games.
It's still possible, of course, to crap out. IIRC, Richmond failed to make the 8 after winning 6 of the 1st 8 games, just like us. But that's pretty unlikely.
CARLTON 3.3 9.6 15.12 17.14 (116)
ADELAIDE 2.2 5.4 5.6 10.8 (68)
GOALS
Carlton: Curnow 6, McKay 3, Cripps 2, Fisher 2, Silvagni 2, Newnes, Kennedy
Adelaide: Walker 2, McAdam 2, Rachele, Dawson, Frampton, Schoenberg, Himmelberg, Cook
BEST
Carlton: Cripps, Docherty, Curnow, Cerra, Kennedy, McKay
Adelaide: Laird, Dawson, Keays, Berry, Jones
INJURIES
Carlton: Martin (calf)
Adelaide: Murphy (neck)
SUBSTITUTES
Carlton: Matt Cottrell (replaced Martin in the third quarter)
Adelaide: James Rowe (replaced Murphy in the fourth quarter)
I appreciate the thanks, but I've stuffed up twice this season. Can't let it become a habit.
I think you should be dropped to TC…
🤣
A few points:
[1] Jack Carroll didn't have a touch in the first quarter, but he had 18 for the game, 3 clearances and a goal assist. Not bad for his 2nd game. he certainly doesn't mind the heat in the kitchen.
[2] Tackles: there were some impressive numbers today: 4 to Durdin, 5 to Owies (that keeps the ball in the front 50!), 7 to Cripps(!!!) and 7 to Cerra. Considering how teams walked through our midfield in recent years, and ran the ball out of defence so easily, things look a little different now.
[3] Today we manufactured goals on the rebound, something we have struggled to do. We got very few of our goals from centre breaks, normally our strength. I like this.
[4] We were pounded in the ruck, except for a period in the third quarter. However, Cripps had 10 clearances and Cerra had 6! We ended up with 9 more clearances than Adelaide had, even with an armchair ride in the middle. If we'd had the same sort of ruck dominance, we'd have won by 150 points!
[5] Docherty got 30 possessions again, from half back, and gobs of interceptions. His form this year has been outstanding. To be honest, I would have been happy if he'd played 3 or 4 games after going through cancer like he did.
[6] Does Crippa want a Brownlow? His form is stunning. What it is for him to be fit!
[7] Charlie had 21 possessions and 10 marks as a key forward. Those are numbers mids would be proud of!
[8] Tom de Koning got killed in the ruck, but when he gets a clearance, something happens. His little period of dominance didn't last long, but we had the ball stuck in our forward line for the whole time.
For that matter, Cripps and Silvagni did some nice things in the ruck, especially at important times. Even Weitering did his bit in the ruck and did it well.
But we are really missing Marc Pittonet. His ability to take on the other ruck bulls has been one of the reasons we've been good this year.
[9] Jordan Boyd had his best game by some margin. Don't know if he'll get the chance to repeat it if Plowman is fit next week, but he deserved his spot.
Keep banking those 4 points. Worry about next round and move on. We still are not at full strength. Injuries allowing opportunities to learn what we can do without our best 22. I was never too concerned about percentage. Sure it can make or break you. Not getting in with enough wins is far worse.
Boyd did what he had to do today.
Doesn’t make him a lock, but it probably gets him another game next week and another brownie point for curlys boy.
I think you should be dropped to TC…
🤣
Nah. Crash is sitting 6 - 2.
He gets let off for now😜
Nah. Crash is sitting 6 - 2.
He gets let off for now😜
He does sit pretty well in the B&F each year, so I guess he’s got points on the board, but this is a new era and everyone starts from ground zero…
🤣🤣
Sorry I didn't have the threads ready to go. I was at the game.
To be honest, I forgot. I didn't get on the computer this morning because my neck has been stiff.
I won't forget next time!
I got your back crash.
Gotta beat teams above us sure, at the minute there are only 3 of them (for a change).
Why? Everyone says Melbourne are the best but they can't beat anyone above them...lol.
I'll see myself out.
Does Crippa want a Brownlow? His form is stunning. What it is for him to be fit!
One day we might know the full extent of his injuries over the past two years plus the personal strain hub life put on his domestic situations. There were calls to send him back west while he still had 'currency'! I'm glad those calls were ignored!!
Why? Everyone says Melbourne are the best but they can't beat anyone above them...lol.
I'll see myself out.
We're the only team to have beat Melbourne this year! ;D
We have a lot to be excited about and enjoying. We were presented with the challenge of winning to go top 4 (among other challenges), and we grabbed it. Although boring to reflect on the past, that opportunity/pressure would have seen us fall short in past years.
When we factor in the perspective of being a WIP, and understanding that this group of players and coaches are still getting to know each other, and the group is still learning a new game plan and what they're capable of, then finding ourselves 6 & 2, banking 2 x 8 goal wins in a row, sitting in the top 4... just, wow. So much to celebrate and enjoy.
The players would be developing real confidence in the game plan, themselves and their coaches/leadership.
Now to win on the road. Another challenge to embrace. Look out GWS.
To address a couple of perceived personnel issues.
I think Boyd showed why he was persisted with. Did his job yesterday. The courage early in the game to put himself under the ball and in front of running forwards and effect the mark and accept the heat was indicative of his attitude (which I've mentioned previously) and endeavour.
From round peg, square hole to round peg round hole - Zachery up the ground, more involved in the play... not solely a small forward. As someone who was critical of him, glad to be proven wrong.
As much as you need generals, it's the growth in the troops that's encouraging. 2022 is a good platform on which to build.
Feels a damn sight better than being consigned to wondering about the next year rather than the one we're living in right now.
Interesting comment by Cripps in the post match pointing out the efforts of the small forwards.
"even our small forwards today, they didn't kick the goals, but you know the blocks they did, the pressure. That's the stuff a lot of people on TV don't see, but that's the stuff we highlight behind the scenes"
So, we beat Adelaide by 48 points but, apparently, they're rubbish and we should have beaten them by more ::)
Yes, Adelaide have only beaten Port Adelaide, Richmond and Footscray; teams that have had our measure until this season. Adelaide only lost to Fremantle by one point and Freo gave us a bit of a touch up. They may have had a few players out but, as someone pointed out, we began the week with one quarter of our list out with injury. The thing is, you can only play against the opposition that runs out on the park and we did that convincingly. Adelaide may have outscored us in the last quarter but they didn't outplay us.
In our other games this season the gulf between our better players and those who struggle to have an an impact has been obvious. That wasn't the case yesterday with solid contributions from everyone apart from the injured Martin. As LP pointed out, players like Silvagni, Newman, Weitering, Young, Fisher, Carroll and Walsh played very well but won't appear in the votes. It was the most even, four quarter performance we've produced for quite a while, and I'm happy with that :)
Apart from all the good stuff mentioned by other posters, I think we have a real 'flying under the radar' award winner in Lewis Young. We may have found a 200-game replacement for Liam Jones - goes about his stuff with a minimum of fuss, great set of hands, clean with his foot skills, and executes his spoils extremely well. Bet the Bulldogs wish they still had him.....
Apart from all the good stuff mentioned by other posters, I think we have a real 'flying under the radar' award winner in Lewis Young. We may have found a 200-game replacement for Liam Jones - goes about his stuff with a minimum of fuss, great set of hands, clean with his foot skills, and executes his spoils extremely well. Bet the Bulldogs wish they still had him.....
Nice post, was thinking same. Been good, defenders that size are not easy to get. Bevo has lost a few brain cells in recent times.I gave Young votes vs Adelaide because he was safe and secure with his marking and ball in hand plus he is showing some leadership down back and is helping Weitering who had his hands full with the unpopular but in form Walker.
Cerra's 50m stab passes reminds me of Nathan Buckley.
I understand the odd bit of negativity and dread. We've been conditioned over a couple of decades. Imagine how the players must feel. I'm hoping our change in fortunes gives them some real motivation to not go back to the dark old days. You can see how much it means to Crippa. That bloke is hungry as hell. And rightly so. What a gun.
Apart from all the good stuff mentioned by other posters, I think we have a real 'flying under the radar' award winner in Lewis Young. We may have found a 200-game replacement for Liam Jones - goes about his stuff with a minimum of fuss, great set of hands, clean with his foot skills, and executes his spoils extremely well. Bet the Bulldogs wish they still had him.....
How the hell did the Dogs let him go? They're crying out for tall defenders right now. I guess it was a bit of the Paul Salmon scenario (or the inverse of it): they wanted to make him into a ruckman and he felt he needed to leave to have a chance at carving out a career as a tall defender. In any event, assuming Young or his manager didn't make the decision independently, whoever got in Young's ear deserves a bonus.
By the way, some credit should also be given to Voss and the match committee: when Pitt went down, shifting Young into the ruck to help out TdK would have been tempting (and some of us suggested it). They've stuck to their guns and allowed Young to settle into a vital role.
Has the 'natural order of things been' restored.
Some people are getting upset with other folks who are upset we didn't win by more. ;D
I reckon that's a pretty good position for us to be in :)
I think Young still needs to put on a couple of kg’s, but I think he’s edging ahead of O’mac.
O’mac getting fit again will be good for us.
Apart from all the good stuff mentioned by other posters, I think we have a real 'flying under the radar' award winner in Lewis Young. We may have found a 200-game replacement for Liam Jones - goes about his stuff with a minimum of fuss, great set of hands, clean with his foot skills, and executes his spoils extremely well. Bet the Bulldogs wish they still had him.....
Absolutely!
And despite his fresh-faced appearance and quick smile, there's a bit of hardness about young Lewis.
I think that he and Weiters will be the cornerstones of our defence for many seasons to come.
Interesting comment by Cripps in the post match pointing out the efforts of the small forwards.
"even our small forwards today, they didn't kick the goals, but you know the blocks they did, the pressure. That's the stuff a lot of people on TV don't see, but that's the stuff we highlight behind the scenes"
My ears pricked up when I heard that as I made the comment in the in game thread that Owies and Durdin owed us a bit given their last few weeks. Bu there you go, they are doing stuff that is highly rated internally but not seen as "sexy" by people like me.
Apart from all the good stuff mentioned by other posters, I think we have a real 'flying under the radar' award winner in Lewis Young. We may have found a 200-game replacement for Liam Jones - goes about his stuff with a minimum of fuss, great set of hands, clean with his foot skills, and executes his spoils extremely well. Bet the Bulldogs wish they still had him.....
I said the same thing to my mate at work this morning. IMO he has been a more than an adequate replacement for Jones, he has more polish and better decision making.
This same workmate, who coaches local footy, posed the question "Who do you think your most important player is right now?"
I had thought about this yesterday during the game so I quickly replied Jack Silvagni expecting an uppercut. He said "spot on" given the role(s) he is asked to play week in week out (especially in the absense of Pitto).
Cerra's 50m stab passes reminds me of Nathan Buckley.
LOB's kicking was what impressed me again yesterday but yes Cerra was elite yesterday.
I understand the odd bit of negativity and dread. We've been conditioned over a couple of decades.
Guilty your honor.
LOB's kicking was what impressed me again yesterday but yes Cerra was elite yesterday.
I can't recall Lochie missing a target yesterday but Footywire has his disposal efficiency at 47% :o
Cerra's pinpoint kicks inside 50 were outstanding but our field kicking generally was very good.
Cerra’s also a lot harder than I expected
My ears pricked up when I heard that as I made the comment in the in game thread that Owies and Durdin owed us a bit given their last few weeks. Bu there you go, they are doing stuff that is highly rated internally but not seen as "sexy" by people like me.
I wouldn't punish yourself, it's not seen at all by many especially those watch TV because 95% of that stuff happens before the camera pans to the players.
Worse still a lot of the media special comments people like King only show the negatives when they want to justify their existence by sledging someone like Owies or Durdin as "not good enough!"
I don't go the Docklands, but at "The G" this season the deep running of Durdin, Owies, LoB and Setterfield has been a feature most won't even notice! It's having a massive positive impact and a major reason why the midfield and KPP's are in a better place than in previous years. Plus guys like Doc and Saad know players have their back if it gets turned over, more than once I've seen Owies or LoB get back and cover Doc or Saad's opponent when they are caught out up the field.
I wouldn't punish yourself, it's not seen at all by many especially those watch TV because 95% of that stuff happens before the camera pans to the players.
Worse still a lot of the media special comments people like King only show the negatives when they want to justify their existence by sledging someone like Owies or Durdin as "not good enough!"
I don't go the Docklands, but at "The G" this season the deep running of Durdin, Owies, LoB and Setterfield has been a feature most won't even notice! It's having a massive positive impact and a major reason why the midfield and KPP's are in a better place than in previous years. Plus guys like Doc and Saad know players have their back if it gets turned over, more than once I've seen Owies or LoB get back and cover Doc or Saad's opponent when they are caught out up the field.
I have noted Durds popping up regularly in defence to help out (Owies to a lesser extent), that is workrate for sure which I am not questioning. As small fwd, I (the layman) typically measure their output in goals and these two have been "quiet" on that front. The point is, what they do in fact produce is highly rated within (ie its not just about goals)
The point is, what they do in fact produce is highly rated within (ie its not just about goals)
It's never about goals outside of the public commentary, it's always about the other stuff.
Nthmond have a team full of blokes like this surrounding a few select KPFs, in fact less KPF's than us, yet it is what has delivered them multiple flags. Fans concentrate on Dusty, Cotchin, Lynch and Riewoldt, but it's the stuff that happens around them that lets them go to work! It's very analogous to fans being obsessed with hit outs, when in fact the hit out matters very little if the other 2nd or 3rd effort stuff is in place, stuff nobody attributes, nobody notices(except coaches) or ever records!
Cripps can't do what he does this season if he hasn't got guys like Kennedy, Walsh and Hewett sacrificing around him, because one contest and he's done and that contest in isolation means nothing. I was worried when we lost Pitto we'd lose the 2nd or 3rd efforts in and around the ruck, but TDK and especially SoJ have picked up right where Pitto left off. It's A-Grade stoppage coaching by SpecialK and whoever else is involved, given the way it seems to be happening I suspect Voss has a massive say and needs some genuine credit.
btw., Did you like the way Cripps gave Saad some direction in live play about where to run to receive the handball? It shows Cripps is in a supreme space at the moment, his level of awareness is 2nd to none, he had eyes on two approaching opponents and still could direct Saad into the space he was about to create! Further, I suspect if the opponents took Cripps direction and went to Saad, Cripps would have ducked inboard and went on his merry way, it was magnificent football.
Like most, was hoping for something akin to an 80 point+ win, especially after that third quarter. The lead at 3/4 time should've been even more with a few missed shots and a couple of posters.
But they looked genuinely out of puff in that last quarter so maybe that style of game is something that is very hard to maintain over 4 quarters?
So many highlights:
1. The usual stuff from the usual suspects...Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy, Walsh, Docherty. And to think we have to squeeze Hewett back in there.
2. Another good game IMO from Fisher. His last 3 weeks have been much better and his disposal is a real weapon.
3. Charlie Curnow was magnificent and opposition coaches would be scratching their heads now about how best to match up on him. The fact that him and Harry are so much different in their games is probably what sets them apart from other key forward combinations.
4. Some solid defensive stuff again from Young this week, albeit not really A-Grade opposition.
5. Silvagni just keeps on going and is such a key player for us. Glad to see him hit the scoreboard.
Not so good?:
1. He salvaged his game late but thought Newman was pretty untidy again early.
2. O'Brien did some good things but was pretty weak in the contest on more than one occasion.
3. I was surprised that Carroll appeared to spend the whole first 1/4 on the bench? I had to check the teams to make sure he wasn't a late withdrawal. Followed it up with 13 possessions in the 2nd/3rd quarters and looks comfortable at this level.
4. Martin injured again. His soft tissue injuries over a long period of time are a worry and we just might never really get to see what he can produce consistently.
Forgot to mention Cottrell....thought he did some really good stuff when he came on after half time.
Forgot to mention Cottrell....thought he did some really good stuff when he came on after half time.
Agreed. He works hard and knows his limitations. If there's a short pass on in the clear he takes it and usually hits it. If it's risky he goes long.
Got to my second game yesterday. I was a lot happier this week than I was with the Port Adelaide game. As I said, I would like us to get a ten goal win, but being up eleven goals at three quarter time meant I could relax throughout the last quarter. I caught up with some friends and it felt a lot like the good old days where Carlton won by ten goals and we were disappointed we didn't win by fifteen. I am not sure I trust us yet but I am getting there.
It is clear to me that our first gear is as good if not better than everyone else's however our next gears aren't as good. On the other hand I think we play better and stay in games better this year when we are struggling. So what I think I am saying is that our best and worst is better this season than previous season, but we need to improve our performance and take our chances better when the game is in that middling period.
I am not sure our forwards are in full sync yet. There are a lot of opportunities that go begging in our forward line. I thought Martin, Owies, O'Brien and Fisher all missed shots early, the last kick often missed the target and we don't have enough players at the feet of Charlie and Harry to cause real damage.
I thought that O'Brien did a lot of good defensive running this week, Cottrell did well playing the Martin role when he came on, De Konning was good in the ruck, Lewis was very good down back, Saad, Williams and Docherty all gave us run, it will good to get Marchbank and Stocker into the team. It is amazing the impact having a fit Cripps and Curnow has on the side. Our tackling is better, stronger and hurting. I actual heard the whack when Cripps bumped the Adelaide guy before dishing it off to Silvagni. It is also good not having the administration undermining the Coach this season
It is also good not having the administration undermining the Coach this season
Admins only undermine when the coach is clueless.
Admins only undermine when the coach is clueless.
Alistair Clarkson, David Parkin, Brett Ratten, Alex Jesaulenko and a support cast of thousands say hello!
Admins only undermine when the coach is clueless.
And when the admins are clueless
MRO- Cripps tackle assessed-.no action taken.
Pretty hard to ping him for a football action. Id like to know if the bloke that punched Newman in the face is in the gun.
Like most, was hoping for something akin to an 80 point+ win, especially after that third quarter. The lead at 3/4 time should've been even more with a few missed shots and a couple of posters.
But they looked genuinely out of puff in that last quarter so maybe that style of game is something that is very hard to maintain over 4 quarters?
So many highlights:
1. The usual stuff from the usual suspects...Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy, Walsh, Docherty. And to think we have to squeeze Hewett back in there.
2. Another good game IMO from Fisher. His last 3 weeks have been much better and his disposal is a real weapon.
3. Charlie Curnow was magnificent and opposition coaches would be scratching their heads now about how best to match up on him. The fact that him and Harry are so much different in their games is probably what sets them apart from other key forward combinations.
4. Some solid defensive stuff again from Young this week, albeit not really A-Grade opposition.
5. Silvagni just keeps on going and is such a key player for us. Glad to see him hit the scoreboard.
Not so good?:
1. He salvaged his game late but thought Newman was pretty untidy again early.
2. O'Brien did some good things but was pretty weak in the contest on more than one occasion.
3. I was surprised that Carroll appeared to spend the whole first 1/4 on the bench? I had to check the teams to make sure he wasn't a late withdrawal. Followed it up with 13 possessions in the 2nd/3rd quarters and looks comfortable at this level.
4. Martin injured again. His soft tissue injuries over a long period of time are a worry and we just might never really get to see what he can produce consistently.
Agree on Newman, gets a bit of ball but is a loose defender but as I keep saying he has a few mates down back who dont like picking up a man. Obrien had a moment where he dropped an easy mark because he thought there was contact coming but he was on his own, saw a Crows player do same not long after. Thought he used the ball ok even thought his DE% was very ordinary.
Carroll is a good footballer, nice skills and good attack on the football, fairly unobtrusive and I was surprised he started on the bench. Didnt mind Newnes game either, solid but unspectacular and kicked a nice Newnes type goal.
Martin like McGovern could get injured tripping over a butterfly, like the latter he usually misses a third of the season and you just have to hope he is up and running at the business end of the season as he does give us a bit of class all be it in short bursts.
@ Surfie
Couldn't agree more about the boys being absolutely spent by the 4Q. We have not yet reached the fitness levels necessary to play our game style for 4 qtrs imo.
"The incident involving Carlton’s Patrick Cripps and the Adelaide Crows’ Lachlan Murphy from the third quarter of Sunday’s match between Carlton and the Adelaide Crows was assessed. Murphy gains possession of the ball in the centre square where he is met by Cripps who lays a tackle. It was the view of the Match Review Officer that Cripps’ actions did not constitute a reportable offence. No further action was taken."
I cannot believe these peanuts are getting paid to do this job. Do we need to bring out an alternate strip jumper with a massive target on the chest instead of the CFC?
agree, why the need to comment on it at all
agree, why the need to comment on it at all
Because the media was reporting that it might get looked. They looked at it, nothing to report, they said as much publicly, case closed and now the vultures can all STFU.
Alistair Clarkson, David Parkin, Brett Ratten, Alex Jesaulenko and a support cast of thousands say hello!
Clarkson, like Sheedy, was passed his use by date at Hawthorn and was moved on after changing his mind to a succession plan he initially agreed with. Jezza backed the wrong horse in Harris signing his own "death" warrant. Ratten was seen as not up to it, he hasn't proven otherwise to date. Parko not sure if he was undermined or was moved on once the club got a whiff that he was chasing $$ at Fitzroy?? In any case, he came back and won a flag.
Teague and his band of merry men had absolutely no effin idea, but they were clever enough to knife Bolts along the way.
When we're on, it's great to watch! I was doing the right thing and cooking dinner, so was glancing over. Once we started the game, which seemed to be a bit after Adelaide (didn't know the AFL was handicapping these days!), we were good. Some of our issues of the last few years when we don't have the ball are disappearing - we're not getting blown away, opposition are being chased and we seem better at putting on pressure and scrambling.
It is great to be in a position where players who may deserve a look don't get one, because their position isn't available and we're not making them do something they aren't at the club for. Also great that there is more genuine debate about who should replace who - there seem to be a couple of options - except for KPD and ruck!
We are a bit 'Vo Rogue', in playing all out, getting as big a lead as we can before getting tired and falling down - no danger this week, but as we have seen, can produce some nervous moments. All the fans need to do now, is try to learn to be confident about the team!
Apart from all the good stuff mentioned by other posters, I think we have a real 'flying under the radar' award winner in Lewis Young. We may have found a 200-game replacement for Liam Jones - goes about his stuff with a minimum of fuss, great set of hands, clean with his foot skills, and executes his spoils extremely well. Bet the Bulldogs wish they still had him.....
Leading the pack for the most ‘liked’ post. Good one tonyo.
I think Young is a beauty. As is Saad, Cez, Hewett, and to a lesser degree Williams. Seems we might have turned the corner in recruiting in recent years
Leading the pack for the most ‘liked’ post. Good one tonyo.
I think Young is a beauty. As is Saad, Cez, Hewett, and to a lesser degree Williams. Seems we might have turned the corner in recruiting in recent years
That and winning is infectious, the confidence and belief them stems from it. Interesting listening to Vossy and Kenny on 360 last night, game plan is vital sure but man management is the other key piece in the jig saw. I reckon rumours of the paint pealing off the walls post Freo game are BS. He was asked if he has lost it yet and delivered a spray and he said no.
That and winning is infectious, the confidence and belief them stems from it. Interesting listening to Vossy and Kenny on 360 last night, game plan is vital sure but man management is the other key piece in the jig saw. I reckon rumours of the paint pealing off the walls post Freo game are BS. He was asked if he has lost it yet and delivered a spray and he said no.
I don’t think that a spray is Vossy’s style. A cold, hard stare is more likely to be his weapon of choice.
It’s pretty clear that he and his assistants have established a strong rapport with the playing group and have nailed delivering a consistent message.
Then there’s the focus on building/improving the culture, something that previous coaches neglected or couldn’t achieve. While driving a greatly improved club culture seems to come more naturally to Vossy’s coaching group, he does have one assistant with that as his primary focus. Finally, I think the role of Crippa in helping to implement cultural change has been pivotal.
The power of belief built on the right approach! Amazing how everyone buys in, truly infectious and starts to become self-sustaining. Vossy's challenge is to stop any complacency creeping in and I'm sure he's the right man to do that.
Clarkson, like Sheedy, was passed his use by date at Hawthorn and was moved on after changing his mind to a succession plan he initially agreed with. Jezza backed the wrong horse in Harris signing his own "death" warrant. Ratten was seen as not up to it, he hasn't proven otherwise to date. Parko not sure if he was undermined or was moved on once the club got a whiff that he was chasing $$ at Fitzroy?? In any case, he came back and won a flag.
Teague and his band of merry men had absolutely no effin idea, but they were clever enough to knife Bolts along the way.
Regardless of the reasons or excuses, they are all examples of coaches being undermined by Administrations, none of those coaches are/were clueless, and I'd say they are just the tip of the iceberg for such examples.
There were a lot of people on here who wanted Voss ousted in favour of the Past-Used-By Clarkson, there probably still is! :o
Cripps' start to the season had been unbelievable. I thought he was cooked but he's in career best form, that's saying something because in 2019 he won the AFL MVP.
I don't like kicking our coaches once they have departed but Teague's comments on him last year were shameful.
Cripps' start to the season had been unbelievable. I thought he was cooked but he's in career best form, that's saying something because in 2019 he won the AFL MVP.
I don't like kicking our coaches once they have departed but Teague's comments on him last year were shameful.
There was a lot of shameful commentary last season, but as Winston stated;
"History is always written by the victors!"!
I remember people on here using the distasteful Bradbury comparison when Voss got the job well Bradbury has an Olympic gold medal from the pinnacle of his sport. Be nice to see Voss get some reward for his hard work and patience as an assistant eventually maybe not this year but soon.
We have started to play 3 quarters of football not the two we were playing 3or4 weeks ago slowly starting to fit into our game plan changes learning as we go
I don’t think we played three quarters on Sunday.
Adelaide got on a roll and had a bit of luck. We defended dourly, continued with our high-pressure attacking game and kicked two goals to their four, including Charlie’s sixth in the dying seconds of the game.
In seasons past, we would have gone in to our shells, played defensively, and been run over.
I don’t think we played three quarters on Sunday.
Yes I agree, just because a team fails to win every quarter doesn't mean it isn't putting in.
Sometimes the opposition run on comes down to umpiring moments, and luck as you mentioned, and those things happen regardless of team effort.
Fans should probably respect the growing maturity of our list, in that the team doesn't drop their heads when the odd bad thing happens. In the past that wasn't the case, you could feel the dread, not so much anymore as there is actually an air of stability!
Unlike the 2's that dropped their bundle last Saturday night!
I don’t think we played three quarters on Sunday.
Adelaide got on a roll and had a bit of luck. We defended dourly, continued with our high-pressure attacking game and kicked two goals to their four, including Charlie’s sixth in the dying seconds of the game.
In seasons past, we would have gone in to our shells, played defensively, and been run over.
Melbourne are undefeated but I don't think they would have won all 4 quarters in many games.
Probably should have checked the data on that before posting but I'll stick my neck out.
Melbourne are undefeated but I don't think they would have won all 4 quarters in many games.
Probably should have checked the data on that before posting but I'll stick my neck out.
I think
@DJC has a valid point, in that the inference is playing four quarters and winning four quarters are not necessarily the same thing.
Regardless of the reasons or excuses, they are all examples of coaches being undermined by Administrations, none of those coaches are/were clueless, and I'd say they are just the tip of the iceberg for such examples.
There were a lot of people on here who wanted Voss ousted in favour of the Past-Used-By Clarkson, there probably still is! :o
I think we should be wary of seeing the administrators as undermining the coaches. Football clubs are political places. They are generally a bit factional regardless of what happens, but the one thing I do know is that what you hear publically is only a fragment of what is seen privately.
It is entirely possible that the issues existed a long way before any public "undermining" was seen as a blocker.
The wheels fell off for our coaches months before they were removed from the role in almost every circumstance and once it was clear to us on the outside what was happening it was likely a forgone conclusion internally.
I think we are "playing" 4 qrtrs but struggling to play at our preferred intensity for the whole game atm. We need to both improve our endurance and our ability to play some tempo footy imo. Cripps actually referred to this in his post game interview.
Agree re Lewis Young....looking more comfortable every week and shaping as an excellent long term prospect. Made sweeter by the fact it was the draft pick from West Coast for SPS that got him and SPS not exactly setting the world on fire with a dozen or so cheap possessions each week and barely kicks the ball more than 20m every time he gets it.
Pity to lose Martin again and again. He rarely plays 4 quarters but offers something to us in terms of X-Factor that not many of our other mid-sized players can do. His ideal replacement is Silvagni so it's just a pity that JSOS has to ruck at the moment....not that it seems to be hindering his game as he just keeps on going.
But we're getting goals out of blokes like Cripps and Kennedy and Fisher on a regular basis, and Silvagni....so Martin out this week won't be a massive hole to fill IMO.
Agree re Lewis Young....looking more comfortable every week and shaping as an excellent long term prospect. Made sweeter by the fact it was the draft pick from West Coast for SPS that got him and SPS not exactly setting the world on fire with a dozen or so cheap possessions each week and barely kicks the ball more than 20m every time he gets it.
Pity to lose Martin again and again. He rarely plays 4 quarters but offers something to us in terms of X-Factor that not many of our other mid-sized players can do. His ideal replacement is Silvagni so it's just a pity that JSOS has to ruck at the moment....not that it seems to be hindering his game as he just keeps on going.
But we're getting goals out of blokes like Cripps and Kennedy and Fisher on a regular basis, and Silvagni....so Martin out this week won't be a massive hole to fill IMO.
Reckon Josh Honey would be a good chance to replace Martin if he can get some fitness.
Same X factor type and has a bit of spark to his game.
I think we are "playing" 4 qrtrs but struggling to play at our preferred intensity for the whole game atm. We need to both improve our endurance and our ability to play some tempo footy imo. Cripps actually referred to this in his post game interview.
I think many fans see tempo football as a fail, the fans want 100% game time berserker.
Those moments that the fans revel in when we are "on a roll" are the AFL equivalent of a sprint, but a full game is a marathon!
Reckon Josh Honey would be a good chance to replace Martin if he can get some fitness vs and form.
Same X factor type and has a bit of spark to his game.
I think Honey, Fisher and Owies probably compete for the same spot, I see Martin as much better and bigger overhead marking threat than any of the other options.
Honey will have to get much better at covering the ground to threaten Owies or Fisher.
And when the admins are clueless
We know the result of that.....the last 2 decades!
Admins only undermine when the coach is clueless.
The point I was making wasn't one where I was rehashing the arguments for or against Teague, the point I was making was that teams suffer when Administrations undermine the existing coach, whoever that is. Supporting the Coach provides a stable base that enables the football team to at least have the opportunity to maximise their potential. Destabilising the Coach prevents any opportunity for this to happen.
Made sweeter by the fact it was the draft pick from West Coast for SPS that got him and SPS not exactly setting the world on fire with a dozen or so cheap possessions each week and barely kicks the ball more than 20m every time he gets it.
Have to feel for SPS - talk about jumping from a frypan into a fire! WCE are a rabble.
There is a bit of what came first the chicken or the egg when we talk about the coach failing and the admins undermining him.
We find out once the admins already have it in their head that the coach is a dead man walking, and although it comes across as the administration undermining the coach, I think its the opposite, and that we just find out that the writing is on the wall.
Have to feel for SPS - talk about jumping from a frypan into a fire! WCE are a rabble.
arkim
Melbourne are undefeated but I don't think they would have won all 4 quarters in many games.
Probably should have checked the data on that before posting but I'll stick my neck out.
Melbourne has won all four quarters once this season. They have lost the second quarter three times, the third quarter once and the last quarter three times for eight wins and seven lost quarters in total. We have lost sixteen quarters for six wins.
Tonyo....I saw a WAFL game about 4 weeks ago with SPS playing for the WCE side against Perth. He ran around at half pace, didn't see him lay a tackle or chase once and every kick he got was a 25m chip pass. On WAFL form he shouldn't be playing at the top level at the moment and probably only is because of their injuries and Covid outs. I think at the time a few of us were unhappy at the draft pick (42?) that we got but on form, I think we did extremely well out of that trade.
I think Honey, Fisher and Owies probably compete for the same spot, I see Martin as much better and bigger overhead marking threat than any of the other options.
Honey will have to get much better at covering the ground to threaten Owies or Fisher.
Honey is stronger in the body and a much better more reliable kick and I liken him more to Gary Rohan...IMO he would kick more goals than the others but Owies, Durdin and to a lesser extent Martin will create more for their teammates being more frenzied tacklers and switched on for more quarters. Like Martin and Rohan I think Honey goes missing for parts of games too much which was the case when I watched him in the U18s. I agree Martin is a good overhead mark but his conversion isnt great for a player who has good field kicking skills.
Tonyo....I saw a WAFL game about 4 weeks ago with SPS playing for the WCE side against Perth. He ran around at half pace, didn't see him lay a tackle or chase once and every kick he got was a 25m chip pass. On WAFL form he shouldn't be playing at the top level at the moment and probably only is because of their injuries and Covid outs. I think at the time a few of us were unhappy at the draft pick (42?) that we got but on form, I think we did extremely well out of that trade.
It really doesn't matter what 'pick' we got for SPS, we had pre-planned to get Lewis Young from it.
So we just need to look at it from the point of view that we swapped SPS for Young.
HUGE win.
Honey is stronger in the body and a much better more reliable kick and I liken him more to Gary Rohan...IMO he would kick more goals than the others but Owies, Durdin and to a lesser extent Martin will create more for their teammates being more frenzied tacklers and switched on for more quarters. Like Martin and Rohan I think Honey goes missing for parts of games too much which was the case when I watched him in the U18s. I agree Martin is a good overhead mark but his conversion isnt great for a player who has good field kicking skills.
If their bodies can hold up, Honey and Cunningham will give us the zip and line breaking speed to take the side to a whole new level. Honey is a much better proposition than all of Owies, Durdin and Martin and Cunningham has OBrien and Newnes covered. Fingers crossed they’re playing 2H of the year.
If their bodies can hold up, Honey and Cunningham will give us the zip and line breaking speed to take the side to a whole new level. Honey is a much better proposition than all of Owies, Durdin and Martin and Cunningham has OBrien and Newnes covered. Fingers crossed they’re playing 2H of the year.
I think people are massively under rating Owies and Durdin. They play selfless football. Both took important BACKLINE marks last week. Huge workrates and they are tough. Will take some extraordinary form to dislodge either of them.
I think people are massively under rating Owies and Durdin. They play selfless football. Both took important BACKLINE marks last week. Huge workrates and they are tough. Will take some extraordinary form to dislodge either of them.
Their pressure and strategic positioning are solid. How fantastic to think we still have Honey, Hewett, Cunners, McG, Pitto, and Stocker (+ others, 11 in the sick bay) to come back from injury. Then there’s Dow, Williamson etc in the 2’s
Amazing we’ve performed this well given the circumstances. It’s exciting to think what we’re capable of. If only for injuries.
I think people are massively under rating Owies and Durdin. They play selfless football. Both took important BACKLINE marks last week. Huge workrates and they are tough. Will take some extraordinary form to dislodge either of them.
I like both, but prefer Honey who has X factor and teased us with signs that he may have the ability to turn a game in a quarter - his explosiveness is rare and something that our side could do with