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Title: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: crashlander on May 13, 2022, 05:14:43 pm
We get a five day break with so many of our better players unavailable. If conditions ever favoured Sydney, this game would be it.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: pinot on May 15, 2022, 09:38:55 pm
Young and Stocker should be available
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 15, 2022, 09:42:19 pm
Young and Stocker should be available
Maybe for Williams(inj) and Kemp....
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Professer E on May 15, 2022, 10:30:30 pm
Kemp is not in great touch ATM,  if somebody needs time in the twos to find it,  it's him.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 15, 2022, 10:36:30 pm
I'd be surprised if Stocker gets back by Friday night.

Also, I think Cottrell has done enough today to warrant a starting position, it's not like he hasn't got the tank. I think Newman is carrying an injury, he's struggling to cover the ground.

Plowman was OK today.

TIme might be just right for Dow to come in, not so much because we need him in the midfield but because we need to make use of Cripps and Hewett more around the ground.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: BluePhantom on May 16, 2022, 07:11:11 am
Looks like we finally have that thing called... depth!   ^-^
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Lods on May 16, 2022, 07:16:49 am
I watched a bit of the Swans the other night.
Gee they were impressive the way they moved and controlled the ball,
I thought to myself at the time that they were a level above us.
After yesterday I'm not so pessimistic, but make no mistake this will be a really tough game to win especially given the short break and our injury situation.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 16, 2022, 07:57:47 am
I watched a bit of the Swans the other night.
Gee they were impressive the way they moved and controlled the ball,
Yep, this will be our biggest test by far, but even so all is not lost and I'm 50/50 on the result.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: capcom on May 16, 2022, 08:08:00 am
Personally, I don't think we have a snowflake's.  Not with the injuries. 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Wet Willie on May 16, 2022, 08:47:40 am
I hope we get to wear our clash jumper against the Swans...said nobody ever
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Thryleon on May 16, 2022, 08:57:55 am
I hope we get to wear our clash jumper against the Swans...said nobody ever

We'll be wearing our indigenous jersey on Friday.  im pretty confident i heard them say that on the broadcast.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: tonyo on May 16, 2022, 09:46:17 am
I hope we get to wear our clash jumper against the Swans...said nobody ever

Interestingly enough, I have heard more than one player from other clubs say it is much easier to spot team-mates when they are wearing mainly white uniforms.

Have a look at down-the-ground footage - when our team is in white, all 18 are clear and obvious, whereas the Navy Blue tends to blend in with the crowd.  Not suggesting we become the Navy Whites, but it may not be all negative.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 16, 2022, 10:50:07 am
Personally, I don't think we have a snowflake's.  Not with the injuries.
Possibly, but we seem to be generating plenty of opportunities.

A lot of the media and fans are obsessed with McKay and Curnow, but are they the driver or the beneficiaries of our scoring opportunities?

I think our players are starting to see the benefit of sacrifice and it's a bit of a lightbulb moment. In the past we seemed to be a team waiting for someone else to drag us across the line, now we appear to be creating the solution.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: tonyo on May 16, 2022, 11:06:36 am
Possibly, but we seem to be generating plenty of opportunities.

A lot of the media and fans are obsessed with McKay and Curnow, but are they the driver or the beneficiaries of our scoring opportunities?

I think our players are starting to see the benefit of sacrifice and it's a bit of a lightbulb moment. In the past we seemed to be a team waiting for someone else to drag us across the line, now we appear to be creating the solution.

I really like the Voss mantra of 'next man in' - we have 22 on the park every week, each with a job to do.  No use crying over players that are not available, make it work another way.   And play your part, don't wait for others to do it for you. 

I think this is where our newly-found depth has come from.  We had it all along, but now the spare parts players have been empowered to do their job, and are by and large doing it as best as they can.  Up until now, most of our bottom 6 on the park have been confused spectators.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 16, 2022, 12:18:13 pm
Swans are a good contested team and  are better up forward now with Buddy and Papley both back.
Going to be fierce in the midfield, be interesting to see Hewett vs Parker and crew. Parker copping a bit from the press for letting Shiel know what he thinks of his
attack on the ball.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: cookie2 on May 16, 2022, 12:44:48 pm
Swans are a good contested team and  are better up forward now with Buddy and Papley both back.
Going to be fierce in the midfield, be interesting to see Hewett vs Parker and crew. Parker copping a bit from the press for letting Shiel know what he thinks of his
attack on the ball.

Agree, the Swans will be a much harder nut to crack. Much tougher than GWS imho.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Blue Moon on May 19, 2022, 12:24:30 pm
Sydney's only injury at present is Naismith while we have our usual ten to twelve unavailable. Delaney is important to them and it is interesting when he doesn't play how much they struggle. However he is not the sort of ruckman that De Konning has problems dealing with. The key to Sydney is Franklin, Papley and Heeney and Heeney has really killed us over the past few years though we have had problems with Toby Green in the past and we were able to manage him fairly well last week. Sydney is a very disciplined structured term which comes from having a stable game play for the past 15 to 20 years. My big tick for Voss so far is that he hasn't changed the game plan all that much, the greater use of the forward handpass is one innovation, but the real performance improvement has come from the playing personnel we have had available and the selection of a team rather than players. Dow isn't being selected because  because the position he would play is not available, not because he isn't in good form. We are also playing quicker players in the forward line like Durdin and Owies rather than Murphy and Betts so therefore we are able to slow the ball movement down that is coming out of our forward line which helps midfield to defend and makes our backline more effective. I see no reason why we cannot win this week, particularly if we win the midfield battle. Paddy McCartin has been a good get for them as he has given their defence better structure but if our forwards can apply pressure we could disrupt their system and actually exploit their structure. So I think victory by up to five goals.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 19, 2022, 12:37:29 pm
Heeney has really killed us over the past few years though we have had problems with Toby Green in the past and we were able to manage him fairly well last week. 
While I'd love to give our club, coaches and players all the credit, I suspect Greene is carrying an injury, he didn't look 100% last weekend.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: WASurfer on May 19, 2022, 12:39:16 pm
Heeney is an out and out star and hard to see who we match up on him as he's so strong in the air....I wonder if they've given even the remotest thought to pulling the trigger on Marchbank for this week?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 19, 2022, 12:45:14 pm
...I wonder if they've given even the remotest thought to pulling the trigger on Marchbank for this week?
The way Marchbank cruised through 3/4s of the VFL game against Frankston I had the very same thought.

Nobody doubts Marchbank's ability, he was a cut above everybody else in the VFL, but he has to get on the park and stay there to win over fans!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: madbluboy on May 19, 2022, 01:01:57 pm
Sydney's best match up for Cripps plays with him now.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: WASurfer on May 19, 2022, 01:06:12 pm
Parker is another dangerous player when he goes forward....like Heeney, strong in the air and knows where the goals are. Like any other week, our midfield can match it with anyone but it's having the defenders to defend. Stocker might come back in this week?
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: tonyo on May 19, 2022, 01:06:47 pm
Heeney is an out and out star and hard to see who we match up on him as he's so strong in the air....I wonder if they've given even the remotest thought to pulling the trigger on Marchbank for this week?


Plowman.... 
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 19, 2022, 01:16:54 pm

Plowman.... 
In the air but not on the ground, more about preventing the ball going down forward and allowing  Heeney to go one on one.
Hoping they need him in the midfield...Papley will be another nuisance.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 19, 2022, 01:31:46 pm

Plowman.... 
Oh good lord no!
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: DJC on May 19, 2022, 03:26:35 pm
Young and Stocker are definite inclusions this Friday. 

Whoever makes way will be stiff.

I think that young Liam might have put the bump away but I wouldn’t mind seeing him matched up against Parker when the latter goes forward.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2022, 06:40:12 pm
IN - Liam Stocker, Lewis Young
OUT - Zac Williams (calf), Jack Newnes (managed), Brodie Kemp (omitted)
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: kruddler on May 19, 2022, 06:44:29 pm
IN - Liam Stocker, Lewis Young
OUT - Zac Williams (calf), Jack Newnes (managed), Brodie Kemp (omitted)
Sub from...
[17] Brodie Kemp,
[2] Paddy Dow,
[37] Jordan Boyd,
[43] Will Setterfield

Kemp should be the sub.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Lods on May 19, 2022, 06:47:47 pm
Cottrell into the 22
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: DJC on May 19, 2022, 07:02:12 pm
I’m a little disappointed that Kemp didn’t keep his spot in the 22.  Hopefully, he’ll be the sub and I think that his versatility makes him ideally suited to that role.  Someone has to miss out though and, while his second half was good, he was a bit off the pace early in the game.

It’s good to see Cottrell named in the 22.  He has performed well when subbed on.

Dow can’t crack it for a game but he is clearly coming under serious consideration each week, as is Setterfield and Boyd.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 19, 2022, 07:29:40 pm
Hard to see Kemp getting a run as a defender again if Marchbank has another good week of VFL, hopefully that kills the experiment and Kemp goes back to playing in the position that saw him rising up the draft ratings.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: WASurfer on May 19, 2022, 07:36:27 pm
Agree on Kemp....ideal sub, if there is such a thing...he's got a bit of flexibility. And Cottrell's last few weeks have been pretty good and definitely deserves a spot. If Dow misses out again and goes back to the VFL and plays another good one he'll be hard to keep out of the side for any longer.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 19, 2022, 08:34:38 pm
Agree on Kemp....ideal sub, if there is such a thing...he's got a bit of flexibility. And Cottrell's last few weeks have been pretty good and definitely deserves a spot. If Dow misses out again and goes back to the VFL and plays another good one he'll be hard to keep out of the side for any longer.
Agree....our mids have been injury free and touch wood it remains that way but the odds are we will get a hammy or a calf sooner or later and Dow will get his chance. Cottrell has been busy as the sub and has earned his spot...
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Professer E on May 19, 2022, 09:34:30 pm
I really rate Stocker but I didn't expect him to walk straight back in.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Thryleon on May 19, 2022, 10:38:38 pm
^^ given Williams out, its not too surprising.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: DJC on May 19, 2022, 11:38:38 pm
Hard to see Kemp getting a run as a defender again if Marchbank has another good week of VFL, hopefully that kills the experiment and Kemp goes back to playing in the position that saw him rising up the draft ratings.

Kemp's rating was largely based on his versatility. He was an intercept defender who was occasionally sent forward and spent some time in the midfield.  He seems most comfortable and effective playing in defence but, if necessary, could pinch hit as a lead up forward - not that he has done well in that role in the VFL.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 19, 2022, 11:53:24 pm
I really rate Stocker but I didn't expect him to walk straight back in.
Know what you mean Prof, but I reckon his teammates and the coach rate him for his tough approach and if fit he is close to be an automatic these days especially vs opposition who play a hard brand like the Swans.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: DJC on May 20, 2022, 12:21:14 am
I really rate Stocker but I didn't expect him to walk straight back in.

He may not have done so if Williams hadn't done a fetlock.  With injuries and Williamson seemingly set for the wing, our medium/small defender stocks are not as flushed as they were.

Stocker's form in his first game back was patchy, and he created an opposition goal with a spoil when he should have stayed down, but his upside is significant and we need to get more games into him.  However, I think the same is true for Kemp and he misses out after finishing the game well last week.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: pinot on May 20, 2022, 06:41:39 am
I like Stock back into the team adds abit of steel.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: LP on May 20, 2022, 10:21:40 am
I like Stock back into the team adds abit of steel.
As long as he finds some form, or else we risk that he'll just get frustrated and make mistakes.
Title: Re: AFL Rd 10 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Post by: Gointocarlton on May 20, 2022, 06:48:53 pm
Ahhhh, Carlton on a Friday night. The bane of my existence for many recent years and against a side who have troubled us more often than not (last 20 = LWLLWWLLLLLLLWLLLWWL). Lets see if things have REALLY changed.
Go Blues (please).