Re: Bryce Gibbs & Marc Murphy
Reply #135 –
We need to be brave with the rebuild and that comes changing leadership group and trading Gibbs and Murphy and letting Thomas go.
Cripps, Docherty, Kreuzer, Curnow and need two leaders for the forward line.
Seems more like cutting off your nose to spite your face to me.
In the meantime lets go watch the likes of Nick Graham, Sam Kerridge, Blaine Boekhorst, Rhys Palmer and Billie Smedts run around in the AFL every week.
Trading 101. If a player is worth more to you than they will return to you in a trade, then you don't trade said player.
Murphy on the open market, is a 30 year old, classy midfielder who hasn't played a full season in the last 5 years. He will not get us a first round draft pick in return, because longevity will be a concern, AND he isn't the missing link between anyone and a flag.
Gibbs is a 28 year old top 50 midfielder in the AFL who is good at what he does, but is a death by a thousand cuts player who can score 20 goals a season if playing on a HFF. He will not put a team on his back and win a game on his own (actually he is good for one or two of these games a season PROVIDED he has others around him contributing) but is an accumulator who is better when playing without an opponent as that way he gets more time to use the ball. He would complement the Tigers Midfield and aside from that, would be an also ran in most other midfields. I estimate he is worth a first rounder, simply because he is the type of player who finds space without having elite pace, and is capable of playing outside the midfield in areas which should see him play for another 7 years, but it would be line ball between him and another draftee. He might get some interest but we actually need to turn him into two players to make the exercise worthwhile.
I estimate this is how these two are viewed by the AFL. If you listen to the critique of everyone in this topic who state "trade him" they state they are fairly useless, and then believe they are worth first round draft picks (multiple in Gibbs case). Sounds slightly like wishful thinking to me.
Now moving on from that thinking, have a think about what we can do with their compensation. Draft maybe another top liner, or maybe another also ran in the teens of the draft (I don't see top 10 draft picks coming to us in return for either of these two) and even if we on trade for a player like Kelly, we end up younger, but no better on game day because we have actually gone backwards cutting loose players that play more good games than bad ones, just not to people's lofty expectations.
Some of these people will also not hesitate to part ways with Levi, who is on track to kick his biggest tally in his career, and looks to really be going from strength to strength and only Harry Mckay in his second year of footy resembles a key forward from the rest on our list.
Basically, the point I am making, is we need to bring in better talent to replace the blokes on our list who are taking us no where, and let guys like Gibbs and Murphy start to become role players, in an effort to IMPROVE us and not just change it. Changing it will not necessarily yield better results, and for those who want to argue with my thought process, getting rid of these two means seeing the following players go around again next year (potentially):
Graham 9
Boekhorst 3
Kerridge 7
Smedts 5
Sumner 4
Lamb 7
White 11
Armfield 2
Gorringe 0
Jacksch 0
Buckley 1
Palmer 1
12 players on our senior list for a total of 50 games, and you can count the amount of times any of them made it into our top players on one hand and none of them will even poll well in the B+F instead of trading out blokes who will make up part of our top 5 in the B+F at the end of the season.
Whilst I understand the thought process of you have to trade something out to get something in, we are better off keeping it simple, and working on trades that will actually see our list in better shape in 2018 rather than just another unknown variable.
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