Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

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Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #30 – July 30, 2016, 09:52:56 pm

Two things stood out for me today. The first was that when Hawthorn threatened or we lost our way, we re-grouped, changed things up and got back into the game. The coach clearly knows what he's doing and the players are responding well to his coaching.

The second was our disposal efficiency. Hawthorn have been among the best in the business for a while but we matched them today, even with a couple of absolute shockers. That is a monumental shift from where we were with our disposal last year and for many years before that.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #31 – July 31, 2016, 07:25:44 am

Another good performance from the lads and unlucky to have lost, again. Just need players with better foot skills.

We smashed them in the disposals, clearances, tackles, stoppages, contested possessions, marks inside 50... just lacking that polish and foot skills

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #32 – July 31, 2016, 08:31:47 am

Watching the game live confirmed what I've been thinking for several weeks now. We need quality midfielders and many of them. We have good structures, we have a solid backline and team first attitude (talk about that shortly) but when we get the ball forward of centre we don't have the polish. Buckley, Graham, Wright, Kerridge, Sumner all spent time in the midfield and all have serious holes in their game. I'm sure that people will say but he did this good and he did that but in total you replace them with 4 serious ball users who are genuine mids and we win that game, plus the 2 before hand.

It's wrong to say we need better forward structure, we need better entries into the forward half, Hawthorn made Ceglar and McEvoy look like dangerous forwards, put them in our side and they would be shown for what they are, ruckman. Don't try and develop McKay, C.Curnow and Silvagni with this lot kicking the ball to them, all that will happen is the old kick to kick high marking comps where they grab one once in ten tries. Get some good ball users in, Prestia is a restricted free agent is this correct? If so go get him, draft for a high quality ball user with our first or second picks and if there will be none there then trade it for a 20-22 year old with these traits.

Team ethos. My favourite image of Mitch Robinson was after a crude tackle by Gibbs on an Essendon player just after the siren sounded. There where 3 scums going to go after Gibbs and Robbo was bouncing on his toes between them, not letting them get past him to get Gibbs. I thought at the time that's the sort of team mate everyone wants in their corner.

I saw it again yesterday with Simon White. After the Docherty kick in disaster, White and Rowe when over and patted Sam on the head giving him encouragement etc, White looked up and saw Hill, and a couple of Hawks coming for Docherty he took three strides toward him and Rowe was right behind, and they didn't let the Hawthorn pricks anywhere near him. That's the team ethos that has been missing, I would hope that this is a regular theme throughout the year but sadly TV cameras like to replay the muck up 10 times so you don't see what happens in live play.

Backline - Rowe, Docherty and Simpson are keeping us in game with their tireless work and willingness to run. If Simmo doesn't get a contract next season it would be the biggest travesty since Jezza left.

Touhy - Sure he may get some disposals but they are bombs in the unknown, he is clueless when the ball is high and has no idea how to find his opponent, look at your player look at the ball in the air and look at your player again. Touhy looks at his player then runs at him, that's all, if you're a defender then defend.

Plowman - I really want him to be good, but at the moment he's average at best. Looks like Lachie is strong but gets brushed off to easily, looks like he reads the play but is too often late to spoil by a couple of seconds and was lucky again this week not to give away 50 for a late spoil. Hopefully a pre season with the team will fix this up but I have my concerns.

Wietering - Looks scared, at the start of the season he spotted the ball and went after it, yesterday on several occasions when the ball was coing his way he looked around then meekly tried to spoil in a contest. If I can see it then I'm sure the coaches can and it will be fixed but he surprised me with how he went about the game.

Mids - Our biggest weakness, how much more effective would Cripps be with 3-5 good ball users around him? Quick good ball users, who can run to Cripps vision and then go. Gibbs I've been critical of but again his rushed kicks forward would be lessened by a strong group and capable mids around him, rather than wait for Docherty of Simmo to stream by. Ed Curnow is a tireless worker, tackles, blocks for his teammates and will lock down anyone or die trying but when as he is our third best midfielder then we can see why we are where we are.

Buckley, Graham, Kerridge, Sumner and Wright are all pockets or flanks doing a poor imitation of midfielders, they are all small and when you compare them to Hawthorn I would say we had 7 of the lightest players on the park.

Forwards - Levi hasn't been the same since his leg break /fracture. Everitt floats in and out of the game, Silvagni looks tired and needs freshen up. White is used as a stop gap around the ground and really we have noboady breaking the door down in the twos to give them a spell yet.

All in all the coaching group should be congratulated in getting this group anywhere near the reigning premiers. Imagine what they could do with an injection of quality players.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #33 – July 31, 2016, 08:43:49 am

Goods thoughts Raydan, happy to hear of Rowes continued value to the team, very much under valued by many supporters I believe. You are right, need mids, some specialist players for roles.
The back structure has been good but we are also light on if Rowe or Plowman went down for an extended period. Much shuffling to be done on the draft & trade tables

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #34 – July 31, 2016, 08:49:18 am

Yes agree with Rob.

Ray, I knew that you were probably the only one of our regular posters who was at the game, so I was waiting to read your thoughts. Thanks - good read.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #35 – July 31, 2016, 08:51:30 am

Top stuff Raydan.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #36 – July 31, 2016, 09:02:14 am

Been saying it for years with Zach, struggles when the ball is above his eye line, loses contact with his opponent too readily.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #37 – July 31, 2016, 09:54:42 am

Top post rayden. Was at the game too, making the trip down with my hawk supporting wife. Good day at the footy.

Agree that we need midfield skills and pace. Cripps played an amazing game, but needs support. We want to be in a place where curnow is our 6th or 7th midfielder.

Our forwards are poor, but this is a function of our delivery. That being said, casboult, despite carrying an injury, just doesn't work hard enough.

Will do a longer post when I get home. Time to check out the Tamar valley.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #38 – July 31, 2016, 10:26:39 am

Top post Rayden, pity you don't get to see the game more often. When I read your last sentence about us need an injection it was double take time.

What did you think of Boeky?

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #39 – July 31, 2016, 10:43:57 am

Quote from: Vivian on July 31, 2016, 09:54:42 am

Will do a longer post when I get home. Time to check out the Tamar valley.

Get to as many Vineyards as you can, some top quality wines down this way.

What did you think of Aurora as a ground? It was great to see a 50/50 crowd and know a few Hawks supports who found it unnerving with a very vocal Carlton contingent influencing a few decisions. I was giving Ray some advice in the last quarter from the boundary, saying don't be the reason that there are more memes online say free to Hawthorn, and don't let Hawthorn suck you in Ray, you're better than that, just before he gave some free's against Hawthorn. Now I don't want to take all the credit, I want to share it with the players

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #40 – July 31, 2016, 10:47:05 am

Quote from: bratblue on July 31, 2016, 10:26:39 am

Top post Rayden, pity you don't get to see the game more often. When I read your last sentence about us need an injection it was double take time.
What did you think of Boeky?

Not in the game enough, but when he is then he's good. Will be better with better players around him, put him in Hawthorn and he looks as good as Issac Smith. BB is a high half forward who needs to work on his front and square positioning, but has some tools to work with.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #41 – July 31, 2016, 11:23:03 am

Quote from: Raydan on July 31, 2016, 08:31:47 am

Buckley, Graham, Kerridge, Sumner and Wright are all pockets or flanks doing a poor imitation of midfielders, they are all small and when you compare them to Hawthorn I would say we had 7 of the lightest players on the park.

Not sure you can put Kerridge in with the rest of them.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #42 – July 31, 2016, 11:32:33 am

Out of all my post that's what you pick up on

Agreed he is not that small or light but his skills are very poor and it's no good being strong enough to go get the ball when you're terrible below your knees and fumble it constantly.

That being said he was very good at keeping Mitchell quite yesterday.

Can I just say that Jordan Lewis is the luckiest footballer in the AFL. He is a decent quality player that has never had to deal with a tag in his career. Opposition teams are worrying about Mitchell, Hill, Smith, Burgoyne, Cyril etc that he just goes about his business and gets easy possessions in the open.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #43 – July 31, 2016, 11:33:49 am

Great stuff Tassy Devil.

I've watched the replay twice now and although it aint the same as actually being there, it is painfully obvious that our midfield lacks depth and our forwards the same. When Sumner, Wright, Buckley, Graham, Everitt, Kerridge can't get a game in the seniors then we'll be on the right track. Just the inclusion of Murphy and a fit Daisy into yesterday's side and we come very close to winning... would have beaten Swans and Eagles with those two up and firing. (mind you I do think that Sumner will make it ...just obvious he's struggling now fitness wise - will benefit greatly from a full pre-season and proper fitness and Kerridge is developing into a strong run with/lockdown type... but his disposal!!!).

Agree that Boekhorst really showed glimpses yesterday, you had the feeling that when the ball is in his hands something good will happen.

Great that the NBs are on the teev live this morning. Be really interesting to see how Lamb, Cuningham, McKay, McCasker and Gorringe perform (looks like the club has consigned Jones, Jaksch, Gower, Dick, Wood, Tutt, Foster, Rainbow and probably Whiley to another place next year).

Agree with another poster that Weitering looks timid. Seems to be relying on talent and judgement at the minute with less than required intent. Of recent times the only time I've seen him really seen him seem to enjoy his footy was when he was given the forward line gig.

Kudos has to be given to Gibbs, Simpson, Rowe, Cripps, Curnow E , Docherty and White who are leading well and holding the place together at present.

Re: Rd 19: Post Game Intensive Analysis: Carlton vs Hawthorn

Reply #44 – July 31, 2016, 11:58:20 am

Quote from: Raydan on July 31, 2016, 11:32:33 am

Can I just say that Jordan Lewis is the luckiest footballer in the AFL. He is a decent quality player that has never had to deal with a tag in his career. Opposition teams are worrying about Mitchell, Hill, Smith, Burgoyne, Cyril etc that he just goes about his business and gets easy possessions in the open.

Its called depth Raydan