In theory we can make the finals. The reality, we've done well with so many guys effectively unavailable for so much of the year.
Remote chance but Melbourne and now GWS losing helps a bit.
Didn't deserve to be anywhere near it after that first half. Nice to win though....
These are the games that good teams win.
You play bad, you work hard and you overrun your opponent.
Its an ugly win.....but its a win.
McKay should be dropped for kicking around the corner directly in front.
McKay should be dropped for kicking around the corner directly in front.
Go back and look at his shots on goal over the past 5 games.
I reckon 75% of them are snaps.....if not more.
Didn't deserve to be anywhere near it after that first half. Nice to win though....
Need to work out the difference between our best footy, and worst footy. Happy for the 4 points.
Saved by the wingers.. Newnes and Cottrell..loved the celebration from the latter.
Great game from De Koning in those conditions.
Walsh, Walsh, and Walsh. Wow. Unbelievable.
I'm very happy to take that one but double dose of heart meds tonight! Great fight back after a dismal one and a half qrtrs.
Very excited by Walsh and TDK!
Walsh, Walsh, and Walsh. Wow. Unbelievable.
yep. Was everywhere. TDK and sps and plow and Cripps also good.
For anyone who missed it....
https://www.afl.com.au/video/498012/crazy-eyed-cottrell-completes-blues-remarkable-comeback?videoId=498012&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1599568464001
You know what I've liked this year? The lads really want to win. Not quite there yet as a team, but I feel like they really want to be. I reckon that will count for something in the coming years.
Walsh, Walsh, and Walsh. Wow. Unbelievable.
So dependable. One bad kick out of our backline but forgiven.
So good to grind that win back and not just fall apart after being so far down.
Cmon baggers
Fair mark and goal by Cottrell, could have been hammered in that contest going back with the flight. Gotta love a bloke who really wants to win for the jumper bad... Seriously bad.
SPS had a good game tonight.
Walsh was just a machine.
Wrapped for Cottrel
Newnes got a boost from his matchwinner so hopefully Cottrel gets the same.
The forward setup, and delivery to it, is still a shambles.
Fair mark and goal by Cottrell, could have been hammered in that contest going back with the flight. Gotta love a bloke who really wants to win for the jumper bad... Seriously bad.
Bit of Robbo about Cottrell.. never looked like a player at U18 level but really belongs at senior footy.
Tick SOS...
Tick for Cottrell and another for TdK. A massive cross for MacGovern.
I think we now accept that the TDK/Levi combination should be used whenever possible. Pitt has been a great backup but TDK is really something special. He isn't going to be something special HE IS something special. Levi plays much better when he's changing ruck so unfortunately that means Pitt is out, unless we decide he replaces McGovern. What a terrible, terrible pick-up he has bean. He was actually worse than Darcy Lang tonight. That is saying something.
Walsh, magnificent. Ed takes another scalp. Did not even notice Parker tonight and I rate him. Back-line was magnificent. Even SPS was fantastic tonight. How does he play so badly last week and put in like that tonight? Back-line SAVED us the game. Won the game, somehow, with a heap of contested possession and repeat entries. Far out. Any chance we can just win a game comfortably?
Plowman was terrific tonight imo. Took Papely and again was asked to mind the most dangerous forward.
Walsh is very close to an A grade mid. Work ethic and overall desire to push himself is staggering for a bloke in his second year. Blokes like Dow, Obrien, Cunningham and even SPS would be completely different footballers if they had this young mans heart. Future captain.
TDK will be our Nic Nac. Not only is he mobile and agile he is a thinker and good user in congestion. Massive future.
Ugly win but getting the points against a well coached defensive team after being 39 points down is a big positive and wouldn’t be an easy task but we stick at it and ran over them. Kicking into 50 is still very much below par.
Walsh would be worth a LOT on the open market. Stunning young kid
Sps played his best game for the year. Lots of critical contests.
Plowman was terrific tonight imo. Took Papely and again was asked to mind the most dangerous forward.
I said earlier today that if Plowman played for Richmond he'd be in AA contention.
Games like tonight prove it.
I think we now accept that the TDK/Levi combination should be used whenever possible. Pitt has been a great backup but TDK is really something special. He isn't going to be something special HE IS something special. Levi plays much better when he's changing ruck so unfortunately that means Pitt is out, unless we decide he replaces McGovern. What a terrible, terrible pick-up he has bean. He was actually worse than Darcy Lang tonight. That is saying something.
Walsh, magnificent. Ed takes another scalp. Did not even notice Parker tonight and I rate him. Back-line was magnificent. Even SPS was fantastic tonight. How does he play so badly last week and put in like that tonight? Back-line SAVED us the game. Won the game, somehow, with a heap of contested possession and repeat entries. Far out. Any chance we can just win a game comfortably?
If we are to win one big it HAS to be next week, to make up percentage, if we are to be some finals chance. That ship probably sailed last week but one has to give themselves whatever chance there is.
It's ironic that a game that was shaping to be our worst for the year could turn out to be our best?
Yep credit to Plowman and SPS who had two of the best games I have seen them play.
Some other bloke called Weitering was very decent too.. must be AA.
re:McGovern.. unsighted, did he have a kick? was he injured, saw Martin on the bench injured..
Plowman was terrific tonight imo. Took Papely and again was asked to mind the most dangerous forward.
Walsh is very close to an A grade mid. Work ethic and overall desire to push himself is staggering for a bloke in his second year. Blokes like Dow, Obrien, Cunningham and even SPS would be completely different footballers if they had this young mans heart. Future captain.
TDK will be our Nic Nac. Not only is he mobile and agile he is a thinker and good user in congestion. Massive future.
Ugly win but getting the points against a well coached defensive team after being 39 points down is a big positive and wouldn’t be an easy task but we stick at it and ran over them. Kicking into 50 is still very much below par.
Some of those decisions inside 50 going towards goal later in the last qtr. Either wrong option or kicking too low and amounted to nothing. At that point I was happy to take a point and be in front. Worked out in the end but made it hard for ourselves.
I don’t know what to make of that. Normally a glass half full guy. Terrible kicking in general and horrible with the last kick inside 50. Made McCartin and Melican look like Alex Rance and Jeremy McGovern. 50 inside 50’s.
There would be one guy sitting at home in Melbourne feeling very vindicated tonight. I think he would've loved that celebration of Cottrel but more so the mark and kick. Well done SOS.
Yep credit to Plowman and SPS who had two of the best games I have seen them play.
Some other bloke called Weitering was very decent too.. must be AA.
re:McGovern.. unsighted, did he have a kick? was he injured, saw Martin on the bench injured..
Gov can't play next week. He best be working on that fitness over summer.
I don’t know what to make of that. Normally a glass half full guy. Terrible kicking in general and horrible with the last kick inside 50. Made McCartin and Melican look like Alex Rance and Jeremy McGovern. 50 inside 50’s.
Reckon McCartin is a beauty. He'll be a real star. Making Melican though look like a gun then you know your entries are poor.
Time In Front
GWS - 66:19
Carlton - 06:26
Gov can't play next week. He best be working on that fitness over summer.
Don't see the coach dropping his boy vs the old mob he played for, reckon Eddie will be back too. Crows will be tougher than we thought..
Don't see the coach dropping his boy vs the old mob he played for, reckon Eddie will be back too. Crows will be tougher than we thought..
Gov hasn't played against his old mob yet.
Teague should drop him. But i think its all about the team balance. Who do we bring in to play 3rd tall role? SOS is injured.
Time In Front
GWS SYD - 66:19
Carlton - 06:26
EFA
EFA
lol.....its late on a school night. :-[
What a bizarre Win.
Wonderful fight back - Again.
Terrible 1 - 2q's - Again.
Almost had a heart attack- Again.
Staggered that we can look like 2 completely different teams in one game. Happy to take the win, and heartened to see quite a few step up when we were 7😖 goals down. Really thought we were going to lie down, so proud to see the resilience shown.
Samo's best for a while. The backline are so solid, and still Marchy, Newy to come in. H goal kicking and marking was better on the whole. McG baffles me😣
After HT our mids stepped up and took the game on, (aside i50 delivery). Walshy and Setters becoming a dynamic duo, and so young. Crippa lifted and Ed did Ed.
Highlight of course, Cotterell's goal and passionate celebration. Loved Setters talking him through the moment.
Gov hasn't played against his old mob yet.
Teague should drop him. But i think its all about the team balance. Who do we bring in to play 3rd tall role? SOS is injured.
No options really, Crows are not overly tall down back either so I reckon McGovern stays in, hopefully he wants to prove a point and lifts..
I’ve had enough of MCG. I thought he was a great pick up for us but was incredibly wrong.
He is half arsed in all he does. He seems like a whinger too. Those complaining about poor old Murphy’s tackling when the poor guy has been broken over the years including a broken shoulder, are obviously not watching mcg’s efforts. Yes he stepped up at the very end but he should be chomping at the bit to get amongst it.
Over him and he should be traded. Something very wrong with him.
Who was Casboult kicking it to anyways? It was just dumped into the hot-spot, none of the tall forwards were near it. Maybe that's why we got it.
Golden rule: if you can't mark DON'T BE OUTMARKED by defenders.
And stuff playing him against his old team. Think he should be dropped for the rest of the season. Would prefer to have Gibbs back, at least he has footy smarts and skills, this guy is just taking the piss.
I thought Martin into the middle in the 2nd was instrumental in getting us back into the game.
Recovery led by Cripps, Martin, TDK, Walsh, Newnes, SPS, Fisher and Plowman... Weiters a rock and Doc improved as the game went on.
Owies showed glimpses. Cause for optimism.
Meat a vast improvement... as others noted, he's much better when he gets ruck duty.
TDK is a gun.
Why bother with Cuningham, the bloke just cannot exploit his own talent. Such a waste... and should not play seniors footy again.
Disappointed in Murphy... again, some nice things but same old, same old... tackles that don't stick, hangs back and can put the aggott right on the chest of an opponent. Has not only lost a yard, but also a second or two in the reflex dept.
Cottrell... YFB. Coming along nicely. That goal celebration is the stuff of billboards. Love it.
H has conquered the yips... just play on!
Fisher, always dangerous.
Simmo and Ed, every reliable.
McGovern... 23 metres gained. Just plain lazy. Must be dropped, along with Cuningham.
Again with the shizen qtr... 7 goal head start, FFS. Brilliant, character filled come back.
Will probably lose Martin to a calf (season), should drop Cuningham and McGovern if we're fair-dinkum. Gibbons, Kennedy and Edwardo back in. Ed for Cuningham, Gibbons for Martin and Kennedy for McGovern.
Walsh BOG by a country mile... 600 metres gained.
Been on the predictor. If the Dogs, Giants and Dees lose one then we have to beat Adelaide well, a close win won't likely do, and Brisbane (ouch...good luck) and we get in. We need to get the percentage to around 102%. Then we get a trip to Perth.....oh yay.
Tough ask but it's good that we are somehow still playing for a finals spot 2nd last match. Somehow keep hanging in. We should be near entrenched but hope we learn from that.
The gov stunk it up again and is badly out of form. He should be dropped for Kennedy.
Even so. He's a good player when in form. I haven't given up on him yet.
Been on the predictor. If the Dogs, Giants and Dees lose one then we have to beat Adelaide well, a close win won't likely do, and Brisbane (ouch...good luck) and we get in. We need to get the percentage to around 102%. Then we get a trip to Perth.....oh yay.
Tough ask but it's good that we are somehow still playing for a finals spot 2nd last match. Somehow keep hanging in. We should be near entrenched but hope we learn from that.
Mathematically yes, probability, zilch.
We just can't seem to get all 22 humming along and contributing. Last night showed why I have been saying McGovern needs to GTFO of our club. Ditto Cunningham. People going on about SPS's game, pfft, he can go also.
Cameron Bruce also needs to go, we need a fwd line coach that has some semblance of a clue and that can introduce a system that our "football mental" lightweights can cope with. This year is shot but for FFS, get a specialist goal kicking coach back at the club. Sav, Fev, Dunstall, someone that again has some idea of how to teach all our guys how to kick a football from a set shot.
I turned it off after they kicked the 6th as it was just too hard to watch. Taken was on, at least I know Liam Neeson shoots straight. I found out Carlton won via text so I watched the game from that point on. Showed some ticker to get back from 6.5 goals down, never should have got in that predicament in the first place. Can't help but be negative after that, sorry.
Been on the predictor. If the Dogs, Giants and Dees lose one then we have to beat Adelaide well, a close win won't likely do, and Brisbane (ouch...good luck) and we get in. We need to get the percentage to around 102%. Then we get a trip to Perth.....oh yay.
Tough ask but it's good that we are somehow still playing for a finals spot 2nd last match. Somehow keep hanging in. We should be near entrenched but hope we learn from that.
We need to win both and do it by about 40ish points (combined) to get the percentage required to make it.
We also need at least any 2 of these....
1. Pies to lose both (GC and Port)
2. Dogs to lose one (Freo and Haw)
3. Gws to lose one game (Mel+Stk)*
4. Dees to lose one game (GWS+Ess)*
...and no big blowout wins for dogs or gws as their % will be about the same as ours.
* Note, GWS and Dees play eachother. Whoever wins that, needs to lose the last week. Whoever loses that can win the following week.
Mathematically yes, probability, zilch.
Odds aren't in our favor that's for sure. Suppose where's there's life there's hope.
We need to win both and do it by about 40ish points (combined) to get the percentage required to make it.
We also need at least any 2 of these....
1. Pies to lose both (GC and Port)
2. Dogs to lose one (Freo and Haw)
3. Gws to lose one game (Mel+Stk)*
4. Dees to lose one game (GWS+Ess)*
...and no big blowout wins for dogs or gws as their % will be about the same as ours.
* Note, GWS and Dees play eachother. Whoever wins that, needs to lose the last week. Whoever loses that can win the following week.
You got this weeks Tatts numbers? ;D ;D
Good win, but as others have said Sydney’s 7 goal start was unacceptable and really exposed our coaching preparation especially with respect to going inside 50 against the swans.
Very pleased to say that I was wrong on Plowman vs Papley. Seemed to me that we were going to get a repeat of the Jaidyn Stephenson running around Plowman but he proved me wrong. Still think we’re missing a fast small/medium defender in the Jed Bews, Rory Laird mould.
SPS to the midfield must happen.
The Moth will get his 15 minutes of fame, courtesy of a nice mark and set shot, and yet again we get the miracle victory in the dying moments, but the real take away for me was the genuine physicality on display. I can't remember the last time I saw a Carlton team play such a physical brand.
Playing blokes like Casboult, SPS in their proper roles helps.
The first quarter and a half was absolutely unequivocally unacceptable.
The upside? We are getting it into our F50 more than the opposition which means, fix that and that’s another step up. And we can do that but we need smart ball movers going into F50. Yes SPS stuffed that kick in but our forwards just do not battle hard enough in the F50. For such a huge man, Casboult would have to be the easiest person to push out of the way I’ve seen. They also don’t play for each other in the F50, lots of flying for it rather than creating something for one of them.
Thought we missed Gibbo last night, Fish was fantastic and happy Owies got a go but Gibbo is now seasoned Around the packs and would’ve impacted more.
MCG can leave now As far as I’m concerned. Constantly Looking at the umpire for a free rather than working hard to get it himself. Lazy.
McGovern's night:
23 metres gained
(crickets)
1 kick
(crickets)
4 handballs
(crickets)
2 tackles
(crickets)
The Moth will get his 15 minutes of fame, courtesy of a nice mark and set shot, and yet again we get the miracle victory in the dying moments, but the real take away for me was the genuine physicality on display. I can't remember the last time I saw a Carlton team play such a physical brand.
Certainly our physicality seemed especially intense last night.
McGovern's night:
23 metres gained
(crickets)
1 kick
(crickets)
4 handballs
(crickets)
2 tackles
(crickets)
Some real lacklustre attempts at tackling too. Granted in the last he did do some important tackles but still not enough.
Does anyone think, with the shortened quarters, it may be harder to work yourself into the quarter if you’re struggling?
The gov stunk it up again and is badly out of form. He should be dropped for Kennedy.
Even so. He's a good player when in form. I haven't given up on him yet.
Sad but true... can't keep playing blokes in bad form regardless of who they are. Even when Crippa was struggling he was still doing his job for the side. Brackets is just wasting space and keeping out someone who deserves a chance.
We need to win both and do it by about 40ish points (combined) to get the percentage required to make it.
We also need at least any 2 of these....
1. Pies to lose both (GC and Port)
2. Dogs to lose one (Freo and Haw)
3. Gws to lose one game (Mel+Stk)*
4. Dees to lose one game (GWS+Ess)*
...and no big blowout wins for dogs or gws as their % will be about the same as ours.
* Note, GWS and Dees play eachother. Whoever wins that, needs to lose the last week. Whoever loses that can win the following week.
Love your optimism, but you know you're r00ted when you begin to say, "If they... then those... and we... followed by... and that happens twice... then we'll..." I reckon we'll finish 10th, which is a strong step in the right direction. These blokes know they're a flea's franger from playing finals, and doing well in finals. Just a coupla quality ins, on-field and in the assistant coaching ranks, and look out, the swagger might be back.
Does anyone think, with the shortened quarters, it may be harder to work yourself into the quarter if you’re struggling?
Not me
The Moth will get his 15 minutes of fame, courtesy of a nice mark and set shot, and yet again we get the miracle victory in the dying moments, but the real take away for me was the genuine physicality on display. I can't remember the last time I saw a Carlton team play such a physical brand.
Who's The Moth?
Finals would be fabulous but would you rather make it and get smashed or sit just outside and build some hunger for next year.
Watched the final quarter just now and have to say the last 3.30 Minutes Were the best and most composed I’ve seen all year. Smart direct kicks, using their brains rather than try and mail it forward in a wild panic. Huge step.
And the kicks in those last minutes, superb. Can’t recall who to Plow, who then hit up long to Casbolt and tHen Casbolts front of the square. Excellent.
Not me
Just watching the game, Cottrell did not much for three quarters then finally he was amongst it in the last.
Funny commentary they talk about him going for a mark and how he needed to take the opportunity as he was 30m our from goal - that was about 10min mark of last quarter. Interesting how it worked out, he worked very hard to still be involved even tho and as he agreed, it wasn’t really his night until the end.
Finals would be fabulous but would you rather make it and get smashed or sit just outside and build some hunger for next year.
Watched the final quarter just now and have to say the last 3.30 Minutes Were the best and most composed I’ve seen all year. Smart direct kicks, using their brains rather than try and mail it forward in a wild panic. Huge step.
And the kicks in those last minutes, superb. Can’t recall who to Plow, who then hit up long to Casbolt and tHen Casbolts front of the square. Excellent.
SPS?
Love your optimism, but you know you're r00ted when you begin to say, "If they... then those... and we... followed by... and that happens twice... then we'll..." I reckon we'll finish 10th, which is a strong step in the right direction. These blokes know they're a flea's franger from playing finals, and doing well in finals. Just a coupla quality ins, on-field and in the assistant coaching ranks, and look out, the swagger might be back.
Not optimisim, just facts.
Who's The Moth?
According to Daisy Thomas, Cottrell calls himself the Moth because he likes the bright lights. He had a nothing game up to that point.
According to Daisy Thomas, Cottrell calls himself the Moth because he likes the bright lights. He had a nothing game up to that point.
Got it, thanks.
Got it, thanks.
Anytime my friend.
And the kicks in those last minutes, superb. Can’t recall who to Plow, who then hit up long to Casbolt and tHen Casbolts front of the square. Excellent.
If you're talking about Levi's front and centre that Cottrell marked. Wonder kid Walsh was the hit up kick to Casboult.
We just can't seem to get all 22 humming along and contributing. Last night showed why I have been saying McGovern needs to GTFO of our club. Ditto Cunningham. People going on about SPS's game, pfft, he can go also.
Cameron Bruce also needs to go, we need a fwd line coach that has some semblance of a clue and that can introduce a system that our "football mental" lightweights can cope with. This year is shot but for FFS, get a specialist goal kicking coach back at the club. Sav, Fev, Dunstall, someone that again has some idea of how to teach all our guys how to kick a football from a set shot.
I turned it off after they kicked the 6th as it was just too hard to watch. Taken was on, at least I know Liam Neeson shoots straight. I found out Carlton won via text so I watched the game from that point on. Showed some ticker to get back from 6.5 goals down, never should have got in that predicament in the first place. Can't help but be negative after that, sorry.
We got the 4 points and it was nice to win a close one but I get your drift.
Truth is most of us wouldn't know half the Swans team that was on the park and it was the weakest team I have seen them field for a long while and I was expecting a decent size win rather than falling over the line.
You can only beat what's on the park but I'm not getting carried away either and saying we have arrived and we don't have any problems.
I was mentally exhausted after that game. Six and a half goals down, should have won by five, then the umpires used the Carlton rule where they have to give an absolute shocker to the opposition in front of goal or miss a blindingly obvious one to us, fortunately the guy missed. Looked like his back foot slipped as he was kicking.
Other than Newnes, no one can kick the ball more than 35 meters in our forward line. Murphy, Fisher, SPS & Owies all couldn't make the distance running into the goals. I am really concerned by McGovern. Going forward if I was to chose our forward line I would have McKay, C.Curnow, J.Silvagni, Martin, Fisher, Cuningham and Gibbons, he wouldn't be there. I was willing to give him a pass last year after breaking a bone in his back but there has been a real lack of intent this season.
While Walsh was really good last night, a couple of his decisions were very poor. He should have hand balled the ball to SPS in the third quarter who would have either drawn the Swans player or SPS would have run the ball out of defence. His decsion to kick the ball to Cottrell who was out of position to take it cost us a goal. Walsh also should given the ball to Owies who would have been able to drive it into the F50, instead he held onto the ball and he got run down. It was like against Melbourne, his poor decisions in the last quarter cost us a chance to win that match. The kid is only 19 and obviously has confidence in his own ability, but he has got to learn to temper his ego and do the simple things well.
If we don't make the finals, which is likely, it will be because of the Hawthorn game and the Melbourne game. We were unlucky against Port but we were lucky against Freo. If we are able to kick one more goal a match and restrict our opponents by one goal, we will be well in the top eight. If we are able to improve by net one goal a quarter, we will be in the top four.
McGovern's night:
23 metres gained
(crickets)
1 kick
(crickets)
4 handballs
(crickets)
2 tackles
(crickets)
"Huge" improvement on the first half of zero, zero, zero and zero....lol.
He had it much easier at Adelaide as the ball flew into the forward 50. Often could be a match winner. Here he has to work alot harder for the ball, and he better bloody well start doing it. Work damn hard over the summer. We cannot possibly play him Sunday.
I was mentally exhausted after that game. Six and a half goals down, should have won by five, then the umpires used the Carlton rule where they have to give an absolute shocker to the opposition in front of goal or miss a blindingly obvious one to us, fortunately the guy missed. Looked like his back foot slipped as he was kicking.
Other than Newnes, no one can kick the ball more than 35 meters in our forward line. Murphy, Fisher, SPS & Owies all couldn't make the distance running into the goals. I am really concerned by McGovern. Going forward if I was to chose our forward line I would have McKay, C.Curnow, J.Silvagni, Martin, Fisher, Cuningham and Gibbons, he wouldn't be there. I was willing to give him a pass last year after breaking a bone in his back but there has been a real lack of intent this season.
While Walsh was really good last night, a couple of his decisions were very poor. He should have hand balled the ball to SPS in the third quarter who would have either drawn the Swans player or SPS would have run the ball out of defence. His decsion to kick the ball to Cottrell who was out of position to take it cost us a goal. Walsh also should given the ball to Owies who would have been able to drive it into the F50, instead he held onto the ball and he got run down. It was like against Melbourne, his poor decisions in the last quarter cost us a chance to win that match. The kid is only 19 and obviously has confidence in his own ability, but he has got to learn to temper his ego and do the simple things well.
If we don't make the finals, which is likely, it will be because of the Hawthorn game and the Melbourne game. We were unlucky against Port but we were lucky against Freo. If we are able to kick one more goal a match and restrict our opponents by one goal, we will be well in the top eight. If we are able to improve by net one goal a quarter, we will be in the top four.
Not so worried about the Hawthorn game. Every side has put in a shocker. Something to be expected in a year. The Melbourne loss is now costly but if we didn't $hit the bed when leading the last 2 weeks at 3/4 time we'd be entrenched in the 8. Those, together with a win against Melbourne too seeing us just outside top 4. Been a close year.
I just hope the Bulldogs don't touch us out of the 8 after that goal review decision last weekend. Half that ball was on the goal line and should've been called a behind.
Finals would be fabulous but would you rather make it and get smashed or sit just outside and build some hunger for next year.
Watched the final quarter just now and have to say the last 3.30 Minutes Were the best and most composed I’ve seen all year. Smart direct kicks, using their brains rather than try and mail it forward in a wild panic. Huge step.
And the kicks in those last minutes, superb. Can’t recall who to Plow, who then hit up long to Casbolt and tHen Casbolts front of the square. Excellent.
Happy to make it even if we get smashed. Just help development us being there. We'd have to go to the Perth if we made it. We'd likely be competitive as we are most weeks but doubt we'd win.
Happy to make it even if we get smashed. Just help development us being there. We'd have to go to the Perth if we made it. We'd likely be competitive as we are most weeks but doubt we'd win.
Agree, would love to sneak into the finals, whether we get smashed or not matters not for now. Reality is its now highly unlikely, we blew our chances against Coll and GWS.
I was mentally exhausted after that game. Six and a half goals down, should have won by five, then the umpires used the Carlton rule where they have to give an absolute shocker to the opposition in front of goal or miss a blindingly obvious one to us, fortunately the guy missed. Looked like his back foot slipped as he was kicking.
Other than Newnes, no one can kick the ball more than 35 meters in our forward line. Murphy, Fisher, SPS & Owies all couldn't make the distance running into the goals. I am really concerned by McGovern. Going forward if I was to chose our forward line I would have McKay, C.Curnow, J.Silvagni, Martin, Fisher, Cuningham and Gibbons, he wouldn't be there. I was willing to give him a pass last year after breaking a bone in his back but there has been a real lack of intent this season.
While Walsh was really good last night, a couple of his decisions were very poor. He should have hand balled the ball to SPS in the third quarter who would have either drawn the Swans player or SPS would have run the ball out of defence. His decsion to kick the ball to Cottrell who was out of position to take it cost us a goal. Walsh also should given the ball to Owies who would have been able to drive it into the F50, instead he held onto the ball and he got run down. It was like against Melbourne, his poor decisions in the last quarter cost us a chance to win that match. The kid is only 19 and obviously has confidence in his own ability, but he has got to learn to temper his ego and do the simple things well.
If we don't make the finals, which is likely, it will be because of the Hawthorn game and the Melbourne game. We were unlucky against Port but we were lucky against Freo. If we are able to kick one more goal a match and restrict our opponents by one goal, we will be well in the top eight. If we are able to improve by net one goal a quarter, we will be in the top four.
Gibbo for Cuners.
kennedy for that #11.
We just can't seem to get all 22 humming along and contributing. Last night showed why I have been saying McGovern needs to GTFO of our club. Ditto Cunningham. People going on about SPS's game, pfft, he can go also.
Cameron Bruce also needs to go, we need a fwd line coach that has some semblance of a clue and that can introduce a system that our "football mental" lightweights can cope with. This year is shot but for FFS, get a specialist goal kicking coach back at the club. Sav, Fev, Dunstall, someone that again has some idea of how to teach all our guys how to kick a football from a set shot.
I turned it off after they kicked the 6th as it was just too hard to watch. Taken was on, at least I know Liam Neeson shoots straight. I found out Carlton won via text so I watched the game from that point on. Showed some ticker to get back from 6.5 goals down, never should have got in that predicament in the first place. Can't help but be negative after that, sorry.
Blame COVID for the forward line structure. Forward line needs to connect with the midfield to function properly otherwise it's difficult for any Forwards Coach. Hard to structure unless you're connecting with your mids. Issue is there's not alot of training sessions and mostly you can only train with 8 at a time so that connect becomes alot more difficult. For that reason the season has favoured established sides with highly, well-versed, entrenched game styles where you are predictable to your teammates. We've done ok considering.
McGovern won't be going so be best be getting himself in shape and not waste our time. No-one is taking up that contract. Much easier work for him as forward at Adelaide.
EDIT: Just noticed McGovern's contract runs out this year. We took up the rest of his Adelaide contract. Probably we won't delist him but her certainly won't be on the same dollars.
On SEN this morning Sam McClure (?) indicated that McG initially signed for two years, I almost drive off the road when I heard that, surely that can't be right.
If so, it's so long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Sps played his best game for the year. Lots of critical contests.
Indeed. An excellent game and really provided some run from defence.
On SEN this morning Sam McClure (?) indicated that McG initially signed for two years, I almost drive off the road when I heard that, surely that can't be right.
If so, it's so long, don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Just fark him off, he's embarrasing.
Carlton Players Out of Contract in 2020 Carlton Player Contracts Name Years Service Status
Ben Silvagni 2 Non-Free Agent
Callum Moore 1 Non-Free Agent
Cameron Polson 4 Non-Free Agent
Darcy Lang 3 Non-Free Agent
Eddie Betts 1 Non-Free Agent
Edward Curnow 10 Unrestricted Free Agent
Finbar O'Dwyer 2 Non-Free Agent
Fraser Phillips 1 Non-Free Agent
Harrison Macreadie 4 Non-Free Agent
Hugh Goddard 2 Non-Free Agent
Jack Newnes 1 Non-Free Agent
Josh Honey 1 Non-Free Agent
Kade Simpson 18 Unrestricted Free Agent
Lachlan Plowman 5 Non-Free Agent
Levi Casboult 11 Unrestricted Free Agent
Marc Murphy 15 Unrestricted Free Agent
Matt Cottrell 2 Non-Free Agent
Matt Owies 2 Non-Free Agent
Matthew Kennedy 3 Non-Free Agent
Matthew Kreuzer 13 Unrestricted Free Agent
Michael Gibbons 2 Non-Free Agent
Mitch McGovern 2 Non-Free AgentNic Newman 2 Non-Free Agent
Tom Williamson 4 Non-Free Agent
Will Setterfield 2 Non-Free Agent
Gov may possibly get another contract but on much reduced pay with heavy emphasis on performance targets. I don't think he is what we need atm but that is what is more l likely to happen than him being shown the door.
Gov may possibly get another contract but on much reduced pay with heavy emphasis on performance targets. I don't think he is what we need atm but that is what is more l likely to happen than him being shown the door.
Im tipping Gov will take up much of this forum in the coming months, there will be some firey debates I reckon.
Do we really think Teague will cut his boy McGovern loose or give him a thin contract...doubt it, unless Liddle/Lloyd
pull rank . If he gets a performance based contract he will starve to death and have to go on Jobseeker....
I want to highlight a piece of play that some would classify as a “fail” inasmuch as we lost the initiative and turned the ball over, but I saw something else.
... slick chain of handballs along the wing to half forward flank with Walsh the link man ... Owie was next in line for the receive and you could almost see Walsh’s body language willing his teammate to run to the right space, but Owie didn’t quite ‘get it’ (fair enough) and in holding on to the ball for a micro second too long Walsh was tackled and penalised.
Demonstrated, for me, Walsh’s:
a) awareness and footy smarts. Probably the best reader of the play in our team, and;
b) leadership and selflessness. He could have chosen to throw the ball onto his boot but was willing to trust the first gamer.
Bravo Sam Walsh.
While there's any sort of doubt on Curnow getting back fully fit next year, McGovern is probably saved....but apart from that, he's a complete waste of space. If Kennedy is fit, get him in this week....he was in good form prior to the injury and was going forward, taking marks and kicking goals.
That draft with Dow/O'Brien was a disaster until you scroll down and see the pick used to get TDK.....the kid is going to be a jet for us and agree...him with Casboult as back up ruck/forward is probably the best set up.
Walsh destined for AA at some point in the future.
And don't tell me Crippa wouldn't have enjoyed that big banana goal.....would've been keen to show the digits to that flog Cornes.
But that said, giving up 7 straight goals off the mark to a team well below us on the ladder is unacceptable and it's become a disturbing trend under Teague....the inability to play 4 quarters of footy....or play okay footy and just not convert.
Do we really think Teague will cut his boy McGovern loose or give him a thin contract...doubt it, unless Liddle/Lloyd
pull rank . If he gets a performance based contract he will starve to death and have to go on Jobseeker....
😆 It'll help to keep his weight in check.
The gov stunk it up again and is badly out of form. He should be dropped for Kennedy.
Even so. He's a good player when in form. I haven't given up on him yet.
He needs some time in the Two's to get his form and match fitness back. See him lead up and get some easy marks would be the best thing that could happen for him.
Interesting Question: do the twos play again this year?
I hope so.
Do we really think Teague will cut his boy McGovern loose or give him a thin contract...doubt it, unless Liddle/Lloyd
pull rank . If he gets a performance based contract he will starve to death and have to go on Jobseeker....
Well at least that will help his skin folds.
In all seriousness, he has alot of work to do to convince us fans he is worthy of a contract. I would guess Teague's patience is wearing thin, mates or no mates.
Blame COVID for the forward line structure. Forward line needs to connect with the midfield to function properly otherwise it's difficult for any Forwards Coach. Hard to structure unless you're connecting with your mids. Issue is there's not alot of training sessions and mostly you can only train with 8 at a time so that connect becomes alot more difficult. For that reason the season has favoured established sides with highly, well-versed, entrenched game styles where you are predictable to your teammates. We've done ok considering.
McGovern won't be going so be best be getting himself in shape and not waste our time. No-one is taking up that contract. Much easier work for him as forward at Adelaide.
EDIT: Just noticed McGovern's contract runs out this year. We took up the rest of his Adelaide contract. Probably we won't delist him but her certainly won't be on the same dollars.
Don't mind that Iaj. I was looking for someone to blame last night. Barker (Stoppages), Bruce (Forwards) or Stanton (Midfield and Transition) or a combination of all.
We need to get the ball in the hands of better users. Need O'Brien to come on.
Martin is going to be a massive lose. He is so important to our structure. For his size he has a great set of hands. 8 marks from 49% game time. He links up so well between defense and attack. We really have no one else who can do what he can do.
McGovern's night:
23 metres gained
(crickets)
1 kick
(crickets)
4 handballs
(crickets)
2 tackles
(crickets)
He had a shocker, no two ways about it.
I wouldn't be giving him away for nothing: we spent to much money getting him. But he needs time to get his game right, to start holding his marks, especially.
He had a shocker, no two ways about it.
I wouldn't be giving him away for nothing: we spent to much money getting him. But he needs time to get his game right, to start holding his marks, especially.
See if West Coast or Fremantle are interested - one of them may be. Swap of picks involved with a trade for Adam Cerra who may want to come home.
This is obviously a post game thread, but just to add my thoughts on McGovern - his best is definitely good enough. The club needs to figure out whether and when they can get him playing best or near best on a consistent basis. I'm not fussed if he plays forward, back etc. Just get him playing good footy. If not, then he should be traded. His form is lousy, and I hope it's just a short term situation.
He could certainly get some good tips abut defensive play from his brother.
He'll get a contract extension.
Unless he wants out and we trade him.
I think we paid him a lot to come over, and now we can sign him ALA Daisy for a lot less, and keep our war chest.
This is where we would be if we won games against Melbourne, Collingwood and GWS as we should've.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ladder?year=2020&pt=PD&st=AQ&sb=p
My comments in colour.
Just fark him off, he's embarrasing.
Carlton Players Out of Contract in 2020 Carlton Player Contracts
Name Years Service Status
Ben Silvagni 2 Non-Free Agent Will remain.
Callum Moore 1 Non-Free Agent I wouldn't retain him. Doesn't fit into our structure, for all his enthusiasm.
Cameron Polson 4 Non-Free Agent Polson might get another contract, as a defender. No certainty.
Darcy Lang 3 Non-Free Agent He's so gone it isn't funny. I honestly don't understand why we were interested in him.
Eddie Betts 1 Non-Free Agent Apparently Eddie is in talks. Depends on what happens to list sizes and salary caps. Will be at the club in some capacity.
Edward Curnow 10 Unrestricted Free Agent He won't be going anywhere.
Finbar O'Dwyer 2 Non-Free Agent I don't think he has done enough to be retained.
Fraser Phillips 1 Non-Free Agent had one year. Will probably get another.
Harrison Macreadie 4 Non-Free Agent Depends on list size and salary cap.
Hugh Goddard 2 Non-Free Agent Great at VFL level, just not fast enough at AFL level. Offer him a spot in our VFL side next year?
Jack Newnes 1 Non-Free Agent Done enough. Will be retained.
Josh Honey 1 Non-Free Agent Looks promising.
Kade Simpson 18 Unrestricted Free Agent Not sure what will happen to Simmo. He might retire. he hasn't been as good this year, although he hasn't been bad.
Lachlan Plowman 5 Non-Free Agent Will be retained.
Levi Casboult 11 Unrestricted Free Agent Will be retained.
Marc Murphy 15 Unrestricted Free Agent Signed on for one more year. Will probably see him out.
Matt Cottrell 2 Non-Free Agent Done enough. Will be retained.
Matt Owies 2 Non-Free Agent Probably will be retained. Is still improving.
Matthew Kennedy 3 Non-Free Agent Done enough. Will be retained. Much improved this year.
Matthew Kreuzer 13 Unrestricted Free Agent Not sure what is going to happen with the Tractor. His injuries may make him retire.
Michael Gibbons 2 Non-Free Agent Done enough. Will be retained.
Mitch McGovern 2 Non-Free Agent Having spent so much on Mitch I think we'll give him another year. But he is definitely on shaky ground and needs to start showing a lot more.
Nic Newman 2 Non-Free Agent Can't see him going anywhere.
Tom Williamson 4 Non-Free Agent Done enough to get another contract.
Will Setterfield 2 Non-Free Agent Done enough to get another contract.
Gov may possibly get another contract but on much reduced pay with heavy emphasis on performance targets. I don't think he is what we need atm but that is what is more l likely to happen than him being shown the door.
I think he's very capable of being a very good/elite 3rd tall.
But for whatever reason his time at CFC has been close to embarrassing.
I think he's very capable of being a very good/elite 3rd tall.
But for whatever reason his time at CFC has been close to embarrassing.
A F50 overcrowded with talls and pretty poor ball use would seem to be the major contributing problems.
Watch last night, Simmo nearly kicks over the head of a player just 15m or 20m away, it's plain as day on the broadcast as the whole event happens within shot! It's not good enough from beginners let alone veterans.
A F50 overcrowded with talls and pretty poor ball use would seem to be the major contributing problems.
Watch last night, Simmo nearly kicks over the head of a player just 15m or 20m away, it's plain as day on the broadcast as the whole event happens within shot! It's not good enough from beginners let alone veterans.
Yes, indeed. No argument on that score at all....
But I think the guy had 1 touch up to 3-4 time.
Yes, indeed. No argument on that score at all....
But I think the guy had 1 touch up to 3-4 time.
Someone watching mentioned here on the forum somewhere that McGovern seemed to be playing the decoy role for McKay and Casboult, not sure if it's true I think it's too hard to tell from a TV broadcast.
It would be interesting to hear from anyone on the forum who was there live and can comment.
Obviously the kicking into Fw50 was horrible all match (and has been for a while, probably except for the Bulldogs game)
It was much worse in the first Q and a bit.
I reckon one thing that stood out in that first Q and a bit was the 15m kick - mark - go back - 15m kick - mark - go back style we were playing. We look our best when we take the game on, play on, look for the little kick into the corridor, but then play on from it. Why were we slowing down so much in the first stanza?? Makes the kick into fw50 that much harder, as gives the Swans a chance to set up.
We were a bit more free-flowing in the remainder of the match - and suddenly the forward entries became (slightly!!) easier.
First q and a bit was ridiculous, i think at one stage they had 10 fwd50 entires for 7 goals and we had 20 entries for zilch!!
The only pleasing thing out of the early going, is that we didnt drop our workrate - kept up the tackling and kept winning the contested ball
Someone watching mentioned here on the forum somewhere that McGovern seemed to be playing the decoy role for McKay and Casboult, not sure if it's true I think it's too hard to tell from a TV broadcast.
It would be interesting to hear from anyone on the forum who was there live and can comment.
That decoy tactic has been mentioned as a role for him before.
If that has been the case (and it is speculation) it's arguably a waste....I'd like to see how Gov would go as the main target.
Seems like a lot to pay for a decoy? 🤔
One thing McGovern is good at is blocking for his teammates. Its one reason why him being a decoy is brought up, and i've brought it up before personally.
I don't think its a permanent role, but he has played it in parts for sure.
We paid money to get him, we'll pay a lot less to keep him. We paid less for free agent Jack Martin, and even he is heavily front loaded. It all spells war chest to me.
teague and coaches should be really concerned / 7 goals start to a young side missing 4 stars . If he kicks straight from that free we lose .
A few things.
We seem to fall over a lot.
Setters was annoying to watch - no hard attack - but turned it up in the last.
Weiters is so solid, I just love this bloke. He is a a true leader.
Very happy for Cripps when he got that goal, great kick.
When Charlie and Jack are back where does McGovern the decoy fit in..?
Kennedy deserves a game ahead of McGovern, his forward work is under rated. The Gov is surplus and when you look at McAdam who we gave up from the Crows in terms of talent I know who I would rather have.
When Charlie and Jack are back where does McGovern the decoy fit in..?
Kennedy deserves a game ahead of McGovern, his forward work is under rated. The Gov is surplus and when you look at McAdam who we gave up from the Crows in terms of talent I know who I would rather have.
Before we think about giving Gov the flick, we gotta try him in defence.
I just got an email from Crippa and Doc. Among other things, they wrote;
“We’ve been in every game, we now expect to win every game and know our best is good enough to mix it with anyone in the competition.”
I think they are right, provided we don’t give opposition teams a start, sort out our kicks inside 50 and improve our goal kicking accuracy.
It was a good win but it would have been a travesty if we had lost. It goes a little way towards making up for the last two losses.
Plowman was outstanding but it was our defensive pressure all over the ground that enabled him to play as he did. Good signs indeed :)
A few interesting things about McGovern
His stats aren't dramatically different from his Adelaide time...he's down a bit on averages (especially this year)
At 191cm he's a player that 'plays tall' for that height. He has a good leap.
The surprising thing for me was that he's only played the 74 games.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-carlton-blues--mitch-mcgovern
Before we think about giving Gov the flick, we gotta try him in defence.
Yep.
We have to remember the age of the likes of Casboult and Jones, McGovern is only 25, just 3 years older than McKay!
Fans talk about McGovern like he is a 28 year old, he is 3 years away from being prime age for a KPP!
Yep.
We have to remember the age of the likes of Casboult and Jones, McGovern is only 25, just 3 years older than McKay!
Fans talk about McGovern like he is a 28 year old, he is 3 years away from being prime age for a KPP!
He seems to be older doesn’t he
A few interesting things about McGovern
His stats aren't dramatically different from his Adelaide time...he's down a bit on averages (especially this year)
At 191cm he's a player that 'plays tall' for that height. He has a good leap.
The surprising thing for me was that he's only played the 74 games.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-carlton-blues--mitch-mcgovern
didn't someone says he had very long arms? (seriously)
Play McG in defence killed Charlie in R23 2018 can ply tall or small.
We seem to fall over a lot.
Yes!!! Been happenning for the last couple of weeks - last match was terrible!!
A few interesting things about McGovern
His stats aren't dramatically different from his Adelaide time...he's down a bit on averages (especially this year)
At 191cm he's a player that 'plays tall' for that height. He has a good leap.
The surprising thing for me was that he's only played the 74 games.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-carlton-blues--mitch-mcgovern
His Adelaide time included playing in the best forward setup in the comp with Walker, Jenkins , Lynch and Eddie....IMo he didnt have to work too hard and was given Rolls Royce delivery with a very decent midfield....kicking straight was his only job.
He has come here and its a whole new ball game having to work harder with young kids as company down forward and a worn out Eddie and he cant handle it. One kick vs a no name Swans defense...lucky his name is McGovern and he can milk his brother Jeremy's reputation because if it was Callum Moore he would be in front of a firing squad of angry Blues supporters. Sadly Moore would give you more effort.
Excuse..he is a decoy,....Solution lets hide him down in the backline...maybe he can play down back this week on Shane McAdam who we gave away for this overpaid decoy, not only has McGovern failed to deliver but McAdam looks a real talent just to rub salt into the whole deal.
I'd try and include McGovern in a deal to get Papley, Cerra or something that resembles a footballer rather than a decoy.
We had two shots for a goal in the first quarter that we essentially touched on the line - Fish and Murph - bad kicking in that they needed to be kicked higher, but not as bad as Cas' miss. If one of those is a goal, the whole game is different.
The worst bit was when Syd went from 3 goals to 7 very quickly.
TDK - does amazing things to our system!
McGovern is in horrible form as we all know. One thing he can do is stop whinging. Two missed tackles - whinges to umpire for free kicks that would have been there had he held the tackle. In a scrum, whinges because he thinks he got an arm to the throat - there were several others. Stop it and concentrate on getting the footy and then using it well.
The commentators' focus on Blakely's shoulder was interesting. He did the first one himself when he ran into Setters - it was good to see some solid tackles on Blakely after that. Also good to see that last free to Syd be called out, particularly by Dunstall as one that shouldn't have been paid. Loved Cripps' 'Fckn bsht' comment to the umps.
If Plowman is such a dud and smashed Papley, why would we want Papley? ;D Did Owies show enough?
teague and coaches should be really concerned / 7 goals start to a young side missing 4 stars . If he kicks straight from that free we lose .
True enough. There was plenty of reason to be concerned, but do not we have multiple top end players out and have effectively for the year?
Matthew Kreuzer - our #1 ruckman
Nick Newman - last year's best small defender
Charlie Curnow - the man touted as our next superstar.
Brodie Kemp - our top draft choice
Caleb Marchbank - also highly rated
and that doesn't include a number who have missed a lot of the season.
We were expected to be ordinary this year when Kreuzer went down in the 1st quarter of the first game. Yet, somehow, we've managed to be competitive. There isn't a side in the competition who can claim to have been more effected by injury than we have, although some get close.
And look at Crippa and you see a guy who hasn't been 100% at any time this year and has still played.
Truly, we have much to learn from that first quarter and a half, especially when it comes to hitting targets. Last week we kept kicking the ball to GWs defenders instead of our forwards. We did it again for much of this round. But Sydney have no more injury concerns than we have.
Don't mind that Iaj. I was looking for someone to blame last night. Barker (Stoppages), Bruce (Forwards) or Stanton (Midfield and Transition) or a combination of all.
We need to get the ball in the hands of better users. Need O'Brien to come on.
Martin is going to be a massive lose. He is so important to our structure. For his size he has a great set of hands. 8 marks from 49% game time. He links up so well between defense and attack. We really have no one else who can do what he can do.
And can lay a tackle.
I think he's very capable of being a very good/elite 3rd tall.
But for whatever reason his time at CFC has been close to embarrassing.
I think I have mentioned this before but I think at times he tries too hard and comes a guts (no pun intended). And by that I mean things like he may run too hard at a lead or to a contest and run under the ball. Or try too hard to spoil and gives away a free. But yes, his performance is embarrassing (or hard to watch at least). Im sure the talent is in there somewhere, its just not happening.
teague and coaches should be really concerned / 7 goals start to a young side missing 4 stars . If he kicks straight from that free we lose .
Nah we draw.
Before we think about giving Gov the flick, we gotta try him in defence.
Our back line gonna look like Spencer St Station and peak our.
I just got an email from Crippa and Doc. Among other things, they wrote;
“We’ve been in every game, we now expect to win every game and know our best is good enough to mix it with anyone in the competition.”
I think they are right, provided we don’t give opposition teams a start, sort out our kicks inside 50 and improve our goal kicking accuracy.
It was a good win but it would have been a travesty if we had lost. It goes a little way towards making up for the last two losses.
Plowman was outstanding but it was our defensive pressure all over the ground that enabled him to play as he did. Good signs indeed :)
Was Plowman good or Papley terrible? Been following Papley's games and form (he was in my Fantasy Footy Team) and he has been putrid the last 5 or so weeks.
A few interesting things about McGovern
His stats aren't dramatically different from his Adelaide time...he's down a bit on averages (especially this year)
At 191cm he's a player that 'plays tall' for that height. He has a good leap.
The surprising thing for me was that he's only played the 74 games.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-carlton-blues--mitch-mcgovern
Everyones averages should be down this year due to the reduced playing times.
Was Plowman good or Papley terrible? Been following Papley's games and form (he was in my Fantasy Footy Team) and he has been putrid the last 5 or so weeks.
Papley looked threatening but Plowman’s positioning meant that Papley wasn’t able to use his pace. More importantly, Plowman backed himself, took some good marks and provided run out of defence.
If you have a look at the huddle at the end of three quarter time you can see that Gov wants to be somewhere else, like a hole in the ground which is where he kept looking. He's got some mental demons.
Our back line gonna look like Spencer St Station and peak our.
The old saying was " Mugs to the backline"......
The old saying was " Mugs to the backline"......
I thought you had a higher opinion of Weiters, but I do recall you bagging him quite a bit! :o
I thought you had a higher opinion of Weiters, but I do recall you bagging him quite a bit! :o
Weitering is a specialist backman so he doesn't qualify under the mugs criteria.
I did have my doubts on him recovering his mojo after that bad injury and said so but he has been super impressive and any doubts I had are long gone.
McGovern qualifies as a mug given he is a forward, hopeless at the minute and others want to make him a reborn backman.
No idea the $$ terms of his contract, but what a fine player he is.
Can I announce the baptism of a new name for the famous 46 Cotters after that goal/celebration
I baptize him the Rock Lobster....what a great look after the snag...B52's theme music whenever he gets near the pill...love him!!!
He reminded me of buck red kangaroo.
The old saying was " Mugs to the backline"......
Whataya mean Old Saying.
Whataya mean Old Saying.
My late father was a Carlton man, he would use that expression, mainly on forwards who couldnt kick straight.
Reckoned they were mugs who belonged down back....he loved Harry" Soapy" Vallence and Fev.
Papley looked threatening but Plowman’s positioning meant that Papley wasn’t able to use his pace. More importantly, Plowman backed himself, took some good marks and provided run out of defence.
His disposal was spot on at important moments too.
His disposal was spot on at important moments too.
Yep agree. I liked his game and he seemed to back his first instinct and looked confident whether spoiling, defending or when moving the ball.
Think it was the 3rd quarter when he took a nice mark going 3 up and that is something only confident defenders do.
Is a much better player than many give credit for.
My late father was a Carlton man, he would use that expression, mainly on forwards who couldnt kick straight.
Reckoned they were mugs who belonged down back....he loved Harry" Soapy" Vallence and Fev.
Ive heard that saying EB, I was being cheeky suggesting its still applicable now. I should have added a laughing Emoji.
Ive heard that saying EB, I was being cheeky suggesting its still applicable now. I should have added a laughing Emoji.
GTC, I did get the humour suggesting it's a mugs fest today ;D
I just got an email from Crippa and Doc. Among other things, they wrote;
“We’ve been in every game, we now expect to win every game and know our best is good enough to mix it with anyone in the competition.”
I think they are right, provided we don’t give opposition teams a start, sort out our kicks inside 50 and improve our goal kicking accuracy.
It was a good win but it would have been a travesty if we had lost. It goes a little way towards making up for the last two losses.
Plowman was outstanding but it was our defensive pressure all over the ground that enabled him to play as he did. Good signs indeed :)
Got the same email. The bold was my favourite line.
Was Plowman good or Papley terrible? Been following Papley's games and form (he was in my Fantasy Footy Team) and he has been putrid the last 5 or so weeks.
Probably a bit of both... maybe Papley has already 'checked out.'
He reminded me of buck red kangaroo.
One of the highlights of my season seeing so much passion expressed by a BlueBagger on the field. That stuff is infectious and uplifting to team mates. Unrestrained celebration, love it.
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;sa=tmpattach;attach=post_tmp_74_09f5a5b5ea42c753d6f70e52711ebaea;topic=5183
McGovern qualifies as a mug given he is a forward, hopeless at the minute and others want to make him a reborn backman.
Agreed, I thought as much about Levi at the moment, he needs to get back to the basics as he seems to be feeling the pressure again and a free floating KPD role could be quite useful. Especially relevant given how De Koning plays.
FWIW, I reckon with each game De Koning looks more and more like a Cripps chop-out option, like SpecialK when he played it seems De Koning is a serious midfield option.
Agreed, I thought as much about Levi at the moment, he needs to get back to the basics as he seems to be feeling the pressure again and a free floating KPD role could be quite useful. Especially relevant given how De Koning plays.
FWIW, I reckon with each game De Koning looks more and more like a Cripps chop-out option, like SpecialK when he played it seems De Koning is a serious midfield option.
DeKoning's ground work is very good and his use by hand is excellent and you are right he does give the midfield another set of hands. Going to be interesting to see when other clubs start to catch on and the tactics they use on him...
Probably a bit of both... maybe Papley has already 'checked out.'
Plowman played a very good game - did everything right. people seem to jump on a brain fart every week or two, but he generally does do everything right, and keeps some very dangerous forwards quite most of the time. I'd hate to play on the likes of Papley, Charlie Cameron, etc...
Onto Papley - i hope he's stinking it up on purpose so he can drive his price down a bit. If we had to pay for him based on first half of season form he'd cost a bomb. On the other side of the coin, possibly a bit worrying???
Hardly saw Papley on the TV screen to be honest. Sydney were doing the Pagan's paddock that GWS did last week in the final quarter. Pretty taxing style which relies on pace and Papley is not quick. Probably why the Swans faded in the second half too.
DeKoning's ground work is very good and his use by hand is excellent and you are right he does give the midfield another set of hands. Going to be interesting to see when other clubs start to catch on and the tactics they use on him...
They'll try and knock him about physically as he hunts the footy at ground level,
to make him timid or hesitant at the footy, it's standard practise.
The Swans actually tried it on after 1/2-time and I thought he returned more than he got, which was very very nice to see from a Carlton big man! ;D
Hardly saw Papley on the TV screen to be honest. Sydney were doing the Pagan's paddock that GWS did last week in the final quarter. Pretty taxing style which relies on pace and Papley is not quick. Probably why the Swans faded in the second half too.
I am having some serious doubts about Papley.
They'll try and knock him about physically as he hunts the footy at ground level, to make him timid or hesitant at the footy, it's standard practise.
The Swans actually tried it on after 1/2-time and I thought he returned more than he got, which was very very nice to see from a Carlton big man! ;D
No doubt you've seen the size of his brothers.
I'd reckon Tom can look after himself.
I am having some serious doubts about Papley.
My doubts are more about the Swans asking price....two first rounders is overs IMHO.
His past month has been poor and he looks like he has switched off, I just dont want to be paying overs both trade and
contract wise and limiting our trade/draft movement.
I'm keen to pick up a couple of good free agents and maybe use one first rounder on a contracted player only..
My doubts are more about the Swans asking price....two first rounders is overs IMHO.
His past month has been poor and he looks like he has switched off, I just dont want to be paying overs both trade and
contract wise and limiting our trade/draft movement.
I'm keen to pick up a couple of good free agents and maybe use one first rounder on a contracted player only..
His past month has been poor.
But his start to the year was AA.
Wasn't he leading the goalkicking for about 6 weeks?
2 first rounders and get a 2nd back, i'd do that deal.
Our first rounder next year will be in the teens i reckon (finals bound) and sydneys second this year will be early 20's.
So if we do 2 firsts for a second it'll be something like...
Our first this year and a 'teen pick next year for Papley and pick 20-ish
We sell our 1st rounder for pick 20. Get Papley for a first rounder this year.
I'm with you Kruddler....we'll have to pay overs to some extent because of his existing contract. But agree, he was AA in the early part of the season. Not having the likes of Franklin and Reid their consistently has forced him to almost be their go to forward in marking contests...that's not what he's there for. Our forward line needs improvement but if he's running around at the feet of McKay, Curnow, Casboult, TDK etc in the next few years, I reckon he'd take that.
We haven't had a goal kicking small forward since Eddie in his prime years....Papley will slot straight into that role...and can have a burst in the midfield from time to time.
Isn't he good mates with Nic Newman?
Zac Williams as a Free Agent and Papley through the trade period.....with the likes of Curnow, Newman, Marchbank to come back next year...along with Kemp from this year's draft....it would mean plenty of dead wood can be cleaned out.
Plowman played a very good game - did everything right. people seem to jump on a brain fart every week or two, but he generally does do everything right, and keeps some very dangerous forwards quite most of the time. I'd hate to play on the likes of Papley, Charlie Cameron, etc...
Onto Papley - i hope he's stinking it up on purpose so he can drive his price down a bit. If we had to pay for him based on first half of season form he'd cost a bomb. On the other side of the coin, possibly a bit worrying???
You won't get an argument out of me re Plowman's value to the side... I don't get how he is a whipping boy for some. Many classy moments this season from him.
You won't get an argument out of me re Plowman's value to the side... I don't get how he is a whipping boy for some. Many classy moments this season from him.
@Baggers, and he is only 25 as well, fans don't get it most of our guys are still 2, 3 or 4 years away from reaching their peak!
I am having some serious doubts about Papley.
Well the top liners usually give Plowman a spanking.
Well the top liners usually give Plowman a spanking.
Have to disagree, MBB Old Son. To a man, I reckon our backline has been strong... with the possible exception of SPS, who's been up and down this year and I think we all agree should be moved up the ground into a more creative position.
Have to disagree, MBB Old Son. To a man, I reckon our backline has been strong... with the possible exception of SPS, who's been up and down this year and I think we all agree should be moved up the ground into a more creative position.
Well Baggers Ol' Boy, Ill agree with MBB on this one. Plowman craps his pants when he is one on one and has to defend. I'm sure if you go back and have a look at replays this year, you will see plenty of examples of this. I even think teams try and get Plow isolated and play through his man. Papley has been shocking of late, Plow beat him for sure but in the end beat a man who is in terrible nick or tanking.
Well Baggers Ol' Boy, Ill agree with MBB on this one. Plowman craps his pants when he is one on one and has to defend. I'm sure if you go back and have a look at replays this year, you will see plenty of examples of this. I even think teams try and get Plow isolated and play through his man. Papley has been shocking of late, Plow beat him for sure but in the end beat a man who is in terrible nick or tanking.
For every example of him crapping his pants, you'll find 2 of him outmarking his opponent.
But...that is expected, and doesn't get noticed.