Here are some stats on Yarran comparing last year to this year. Last year he was a backman. This year he is a forward.
Averages... Disposals 2012 - 14.7 per game 2013 - 10.3
Goals 2012 - 0.5 2013 - 1.4
Tackles 2012 - 1.7 2013 - 3.8
Contested possesions 2012 - 4.1 2013 - 4.7
...and finally the % of his possessions that are contested 2012 - 28% 2013 - 44%
So although his overall possessions are down a touch from last year, he is kicking more goals (as you'd expect being forward now) but also laying double the amount of tackles he was laying last year.
Overall he is getting more hard ball per game, but overall he is getting a lot more hard ball and less easy ball compared to last year.
So the stats say that he is laying more tackles, getting more hard ball and obviously hitting the scoreboard more.
So tell me how it is exactly he is going backwards again?
Can't remember Mick calling him selfish. He criticised him for showing signs of injury. Of course Mick in the commentary box was in a great position to tell just how Yazz was feeling. Let's face it, the guy hasn't got the best record when it comes to Chris Yarran
Mick called him selfish.
Essentially he said the way he carried on while injured was not good. It shows a weakness to the opposition. He didn't need to carry on the way he did.
Its the same reason why Mick said what he said recently in regards to Murphy and injuries etc.
All players who take the field are 100% fit. Implying anything other than that is showing weakness. Mick is all about the psychology of battle. Show a strong, united front at all times.
This is his issue with Yarran and his injury. It went against his mantra and in his opinion was selfish for not sucking it up and putting the team first.
You are not going to change your mind, i know that and you know that.
By for the sake of completeness, i feel the need to put the record straight for others who may have forgotten and simply take your word for it.
Yarran has played many a disinterested game in the 2's and the 1's. I already pointed out when Mick called him out for being selfish when he got injured. That is our current coach making an observation about Yarran under our previous coach. Doing the same thing he has done this year!
Nah it's different rules for different players, that's what's so annoying but nobody gets it. You can only say it so many times.
You are starting to sound like Jimbo.
You can say it repeatedly, how about backing it up with some facts.
What i am hearing from you is that Yarran has been ruined by Mick Malthouse and that he was an out and and star under Ratten. Your opinion, and so be it.
No, what I'm saying is he was developing nicely under Ratts but has gone backwards under Malthouse. I think he's lost all passion, and more importantly all confidence. It took Ratts a good few years to build up Yazz's confidence and it seems Mick's undone it all in a few months. IMO.
What's wrong with Jimbo anyway?
I recall quite clearly Yazz playing for the NBs last year and he was pathetic. His attitude (and this is under Ratts, to respond to what you write above) stunk. He was blasted by team mates and was the very personification of petulance. He was booed by our supporters from the ground... then was rewarded with senior selection the following week! FMD! However, this year when he spent time in the twos, he actually tried hard and got dirty. He is better under MM, but clearly has some attitude problems. Maybe he can only be a one way, prima donna
This is what i was suggesting earlier. Carrots is looking at what he sees as the outcome (Yarran has gone backwards under Mick) and bringing up things that back that up, and ignoring (or forgetting) that the same things occured previously.
I am a huge fan of Yazza and i think he has been pretty much consistently inconsistent year to year.
Nah it's different rules for different players, that's what's so annoying but nobody gets it. You can only say it so many times.
You are starting to sound like Jimbo.
You can say it repeatedly, how about backing it up with some facts.
What i am hearing from you is that Yarran has been ruined by Mick Malthouse and that he was an out and and star under Ratten. Your opinion, and so be it.
What i recall is that he had some great games under Ratten, but he also had some shockers were he was tagged out of the game, wouldn't chase or tackle and generally sulked. I actually recall Malthouse complaining about the way Yarran sooked, while commentating, about when he got himself injured and carried on. Malthouse did not like the fact he put himself ahead of the team and showed weakness. The majority of people agreed. Alternatively Yarran has had some great games this year too. West Coast and despite the late misses, Tigers as well. In fact, a lot of the early games he was very good.
I know you're angry with the club, and specifically Mick. I think your anger is playing tricks with your memory.
I think you'll also find that Mick has chastised many at the club thus far. Robbo and Walker have got some bench abuse and there have been plenty of others. I actually think the ONLY reason Yarran has received so much attention is because the media knows something about that whole scenario that it is not letting on (verbal backlash from Yarran? Off-field issues). THEN the way Yarran responded, badly, added more fuel to the fire.
I get you're on a witch hunt and want whats best for the club. I just think you've got the blinkers on.
FWIW, your value on Yarran is way off. Clubs realise his talent and despite a recent drop in form, a first round pick is all but guaranteed.
Wow brilliant move by Malthouse to drop him, certainly got the best out of him didn't it? He's firing on all cylinders now. He's not in our best 22 and our best 22 is a pretty weak outfit. What a fall from grace from Yarran, TBH I can't even watch him any more it's just too painful.
Cmon Carrots, you are better than that.
The players don't get given games, they need to earn them.
If they don't buy in to the gameplan and are disinterested then that is on them.
Many on here were blaming Malthouse for how Kade Simpson was travelling early on. Now Simmo has listened, learned and performed his new role exactly as Mick wants him too and have a look at the benefits, one of our best last night.
Freo were so impressive because everyone buys in to the team game plan. If you have a player, or 10, that don't it doesn't work. Mick is working out who is willing to buy in and work for the team. Yarran has the ability, he needs to prove he has the mental capacity and dedication to become a real player.
Rowe out, Casboult in, is a must. Rowe, unless he is on his own, can't take a mark, and even when on his own there is no guarantee. He also lacks in the area of a second effort. There is no second effort from Rowe at all. Casboult can mark and has no hesitation in crashing a pack when going for a mark. He is also a much better ruckman. Two things are holding him back.
His kicking for goal is atrocious, and he lacks fitness to run out a full game. If you have a look at his performances when he's played, he's virtually disappeared out of a game after half time. It's an are that demands he work on or his days at Senior level are numbered. But for the rest of the season, he is a far better bet than Sam.
Casboults kicking is CLEARLY worse than Rowes.
Fitness levels are on a par.
Their rucking is on a par.
Casboults marking is slightly better as is his pack crashing.
Rowes game against the Saints is better then anything Casboult has done this year.
FYI Rowe has kicked 8 goals in 7 games. Casboutl has kicked 4 goals in 7 games.
Rowe also has more kicks, marks and disposals.
To say one is much better than the other is showing clear bias.
Surely you are not going to use the St Kilda game as a measuring stick Krud? St Kildas tall backs are undersized and under-skilled already and when the first choices in Fisher and Blake didn't play, any forward would have had a field day as Rowe did. Since then he's been shown up for what he is, a VFL player who is being kept for depth. Play Levi against St Kilda and that goal tally would turn in his favour.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
But there's also the potential there that he will start to convert.
TBH I can't split the two but I'd give Rowe another go before I drop him. He played very well against the Saints and not so bad vs North. We need to give these talls a decent run at it. Rowe for another week and if he doesn't perform Cas for the rest of the year.
Long term, it seems easier to correct kicking issues then it is to convert a player to be an elite mark of the ball. So yes, ideally Casboult can improve his kicking and make the position his.
I don't think the potential that he will start to convert is something we factor in week to week, and neither should the MC.
@jimbo... Can't recall casboults game against the bombers but he has never kicked more than 1 goal in a game this year. Rowe has done so on 2 occasions. (2 and 3) and has kicked twice as many goals by comparison.
But where there can be no dispute at all, in my biased opinion, of course, is marking. Rowe isn't a patch on Casboult in contested marking. Casboult has proven himself capable of taking a pack mark around the ground, Rowe hasn't. I have got nothing but enormous admiration for Sam Rowe, and I hope he can have a long and healthy career as an AFL footballer.
Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
Despite your beliefs on bias, i do not believe i am bias one way or the other on casboult or rowe. Some people will say i am one way. Some will say i am bias the other way.
Your initial comment was that Casboult MUST come in because of his marking. I agree he is a better pack mark.
What i am disagreeing with is that a better mark means more importance to the team.
What is more important to the team?
A player who kicks at 50% in front of goal but gets slightly more opportunities or A player who converts more often than not from slightly less opportunites.
Its a dilemma the MC face. Better conversion, or potentially more opportunities to convert.
