At this point I am not expecting to see the game live, but I cannot confirm that. I can only hope that we perform as we did last week.
We lose with basically the last kick of the match. ???
I'm not going to enjoy the replay. :( So near and yet so far.
We didn't get the 4 points, but we'll get plenty of respect and belief from that. We took it right up to the ladder leaders.
I am devastated by that. Hate the umps, hate Dal Santo!
That was an unfair ending. We deserved that win and I’m pissed off but we looked out on our feet at the end. We had to keep attacking, it was unfortunate we had crap attempts at marking at the end
You are not going to win them all.
But if you play like that often enough, you will win more than you lose.
It sucks, but i'll take that effort every week.
We didn't get the 4 points, but we'll get plenty of respect and belief from that. We took it right up to the ladder leaders.
Absolutely. Couldn’t fault anyone today. Loved the spirit that’s developing. There was a weak act by a Port player in the second quarter and a few of our younger players took it right up to him. Bit of luck needed, but I guess they missed some sitters as well.
A great game, even all day, either team deserved to win......but s$&t it hurts.
I'm not going to enjoy the replay. :( So near and yet so far.
You'll enjoy the replay. Just turn it off when the final siren blows. ;)
Also Harry gets a lot of free kicks paid against him in our F50 - why is that? It he all arms and legs like a giraffe or does he play in a dodgy manner?
Hate losing like that, but not for the first time this year.
We were in it from the start to the final 30 seconds.
Great 4q effort with few passengers. That's what's so pleasing.
One of the best games from Plowman. He found the confidence to be creative. Importantly at the right moments. Hope he can continue that work.
Walsh's best game for a while. His coverage and possessions favoured him.
Hopefully we'll get better at these close one's sooner rather than later. It's cost us 2 W's.
Disappointing end to a very entertaining competition.
4th game of ours this year decided by 3 points or less. - We are 2-2 in them.
Why didnt they maintain possession when the 1min board went up? Why kick to an uneven contest (Gibbons). Lack of awareness.The last 5 minutes felt like they were spent manufacturing a loss. That hurst more than a flgging IMO.
I’m really Farking sick of heartbreaking losses.
Such a crucial loss. Long time since we can say that but we're a bonifide side now and in such a close competition that could cost us. One game can be the difference between top 4 and out of the 8 at the moment.
Absolutely. Couldn’t fault anyone today. Loved the spirit that’s developing. There was a weak act by a Port player in the second quarter and a few of our younger players took it right up to him. Bit of luck needed, but I guess they missed some sitters as well.
Yep, and it took their best player (out of form this year admittedly) to kick the impossible goal. A most unfortunate time for him to pull out one of his party tricks.
Why didnt they maintain possession when the 1min board went up? Why kick to an uneven contest (Gibbons). Lack of awareness.The last 5 minutes felt like they were spent manufacturing a loss. That hurst more than a flgging IMO.
Just saying the same thing to my partner. Haven’t been able to take one Farking pack mark all day but in the last minute you still kick it into them and no surprise it comes out again in their favour.
Why couldn’t they have kicked it around? So damn frustrating, that was a heartbreaker.
There was a weak act by a Port player in the second quarter and a few of our younger players took it right up to him
Who??
My god that hurt.
Just needed a bit of composure and one of our big forwards to not get out marked down the line.
Westoff did nothing all game but was the one who took the intercept marks to launch their final attacks
Have played a lot of the higher ranked teams so I’m just hoping now we can do what we haven’t been able to do in previous years and win the games against the teams below us. We look like we have improved but we have had good wins in previous years but then failed in games we should have won and still finished near the bottom.
We have had a lot is pain I am pleased with the he progress but we must beat the teams below us before I am 100% convinced we have arrived.
And that starts next week.
North are crippled and getting the points against them is every bit as important as today was.
North might be crippled but we don’t have a great record against them. Very easily be 3 and 5 by next game. Hate these close lost games.
@ shawny
I agree. Next week even more important than today imo.
Today we showed we can match the best. V North we must show our Achilles heel is no longer our greatest weakness
Cruel .... nothing more to say. Other than I don't like Port.
If we play like we did today, we'll beat North by 10 goals - they're in all sorts.
I see it different, Ports poor goalkicking late kept us in the game, Dixon went off and they only had two on the bench. We had a lot going for us and still couldn't win it.
If Dixon had kicked straight it would have been a comfortable Port win imo.
Other than composure under high level fatigue at the siren, we matched them all over the ground. That's from watching the game, not a stats viewpoint.
Terribly disappointing for sure, but as I've been saying all year. It's fixable.
We played some very good football against the ladder leader. It could have just as easily been a W. Our boys will take a lot if confidence and belief in their systems from the game.
Yep, and it took their best player (out of form this year admittedly) to kick the impossible goal. A most unfortunate time for him to pull out one of his party tricks.
Poetic justice really, they missed 3-4 sitters from infront, probably fitting they kick the impossible one after the siren. They were just smarter than us in the last 2-3 minutes.
I see it different, Ports poor goalkicking late kept us in the game, Dixon went off and they only had two on the bench. We had a lot going for us and still couldn't win it.
If Dixon had kicked straight it would have been a comfortable Port win imo.
Yep. We definitely stole defeat from the jaws of victory.
Just heartbreaking. Utterly draining. Felt like we were going to steal it for a fleeting moment when SPS got that dinky kick to Gibbo, but then bad decision to kick down the line and then lack of effort cost us. Still we took it up to them. Would be nice to steal one once in a while. God knows plenty of sides do it to us. Everyone looked out on their feet.
I'd give blokes like Murphy a miss next week and write it off as "managed". Plenty of kids to choose from. Time to experiment.
Can't say I was bitterly disappointed. Didn't think we'd win and Port had a few chances at the end to ice the game. Sort of thing we'd do and unlike Port we'd ultimately lose it. For the main part our blokes showed a bit but couldn't make the most of our opportunities in forward 50.
One thing I will say though, after that effort if we come out next week and played like a pack of girls against North I'll do a Terry Wallace.
I see it different, Ports poor goalkicking late kept us in the game, Dixon went off and they only had two on the bench. We had a lot going for us and still couldn't win it.
If Dixon had kicked straight it would have been a comfortable Port win imo.
Fact is we were in front and didn't show the composure in the last 45 sec. We missed a few too earlier on. We're a bonfide finals type side now so this loss was a stinger even if it did show we can again match it with the best. In such a close season a couple of poor starts early in the year might cost us (can't believe i just said that about Carlton...lol).
Poetic justice really, they missed 3-4 sitters from infront, probably fitting they kick the impossible one after the siren. They were just smarter than us in the last 2-3 minutes.
Yes, I think that's fair enough. Still plenty of learning and growth left in this group. I think I even spotted a green shoot or two............
Just heartbreaking. Utterly draining. Felt like we were going to steal it for a fleeting moment when SPS got that dinky kick to Gibbo, but then bad decision to kick down the line and then lack of effort cost us. Still we took it up to them. Would be nice to steal one once in a while. God knows plenty of sides do it to us. Everyone looked out on their feet.
I'd give blokes like Murphy a miss next week and write it off as "managed". Plenty of kids to choose from. Time to experiment.
Can't say I was bitterly disappointed. Didn't think we'd win and Port had a few chances at the end to ice the game. Sort of thing we'd do and unlike Port we'd ultimately lose it. For the main part our blokes showed a bit but couldn't make the most of our opportunities in forward 50.
One thing I will say though, after that effort if we come out next week and played like a pack of girls against North I'll do a Terry Wallace.
I'm bitterly disappointed but not for the same reason I've been previously disappointed. Taking it up to the best side will make me pleased, just not right now. It would've been such a vital win for our chances as it's obvious we are good enough now. That's where I'm bitterly disappointed. This and crap losses to the like of Melbourne might bite us on the arse at the business end of the year.
Poetic justice really, they missed 3-4 sitters from infront, probably fitting they kick the impossible one after the siren. They were just smarter than us in the last 2-3 minutes.
Not interested in poetic justice. What they miss isn't our problem. We just control what we can. In the last minute we should've held on.
Like I said during the week, it's part of the journey of maturity but it still stings.
We actually played decently two weeks in a row against top opposition , I'll take that small mercy.
Cripps is really struggling with the attention, must be carrying a knee or something, seems to be running on half rat power. Mind willing, body not right?
Plowman is a serious worry that should have spoiled... also 2 big guys in the pack for us on that Gibbons kick... surely punch it out... not let McKenzie take that mark which set up the goal.... did the Gov play today? He was invisible and back to his insipid worst
Fact is we were in front and didn't show the composure in the last 45 sec. We missed a few too earlier on. We're a bonfide finals type side now so this loss was a stinger even if it did show we can again match it with the best. In such a close season a couple of poor starts early in the year might cost us (can't believe i just said that about Carlton...lol).
Cuningham had a chance late on his left to ice the game and I guess folk will blame Plowman but I thought the Plow had a decent game on Gray and took the points but will unfairly be blamed.
Didnt think we did that well in the ruck as we should have either with Lycett out...Billy Idol the Port ruckman seemed to be everywhere and was a nuisance all game.
Cripps was well held again but we rotated the workload and most players gave us something, we should beat Nth easily...
Bitterly disappointing and in the end the difference was Dixon and bigger bodies in the middle. We really needed to get Weitering to the Dixon contests more often, but it didn’t work out that way.
Plowman was excellent- I’ve been a critic but he played very well and it’s not fair that his man kicks the match winner.
Walsh was fantastic, this guy wants success
Cripps and Ed weren’t dominant but did a lot do work in the guts against Wines, Powell P
Harry McKay has some real X factor and can play. Very effective.
Samo was good late and I still feel is largely wasted down back
Murphy wasn’t great in the first half but willed himself into the contest and in the end was good
Defence battled hard and there weren’t too many howlers that I noticed
Kennedy, Newnes worked hard but too many mistakes and I have to be critical of Setterfield and Cunners who weren’t involved enough.
I see it different, Ports poor goalkicking late kept us in the game, Dixon went off and they only had two on the bench. We had a lot going for us and still couldn't win it.
If Dixon had kicked straight it would have been a comfortable Port win imo.
Thats one way to look at it, sure.
But how did Port get those chances?
50-50 umpiring calls went their way......especially in the last.
Harry in a holding match in the goalsquare = free kick port. Turn that the other way and they don't get close. Better yet, don't call anything but play on....and we win that game.
Eddies tackle, dropping the ball....nah, play on.
I think we got a kicking in danger called against us in the last....at least i think it was for that as i have no idea what it was for otherwise. You get that paid about 5% of the time......or 100% of the time if its against us in the last quarter.
So sure, have that belief if you want and it is somewhat valid. But Port don't get those calls if the umpiring was consistent....or even fair.
Cuningham had a chance late on his left to ice the game and I guess folk will blame Plowman but I thought the Plow had a decent game on Gray and took the points but will unfairly be blamed.
Didnt think we did that well in the ruck as we should have either with Lycett out...Billy Idol the Port ruckman seemed to be everywhere and was a nuisance all game.
Cripps was well held again but we rotated the workload and most players gave us something, we should beat Nth easily...
That's where Kreuzer is handy. He'd have done plenty of bullocking work and got good touches.
Plowman went well just our lack of composure in that last minute. That's just a part of the journey as we mature.
If Dixon had kicked straight it would have been a comfortable Port win imo.
If any one of the umpires had spotted the illegal blocks which take out his opponent we win.
Apparently he’s the most “blocked for” player in the league. Obviously a well rehearsed set play.
Thats one way to look at it, sure.
But how did Port get those chances?
50-50 umpiring calls went their way......especially in the last.
Harry in a holding match in the goalsquare = free kick port. Turn that the other way and they don't get close. Better yet, don't call anything but play on....and we win that game.
Eddies tackle, dropping the ball....nah, play on.
I think we got a kicking in danger called against us in the last....at least i think it was for that as i have no idea what it was for otherwise. You get that paid about 5% of the time......or 100% of the time if its against us in the last quarter.
So sure, have that belief if you want and it is somewhat valid. But Port don't get those calls if the umpiring was consistent....or even fair.
And despite poor umpiring, bigger PA bodies in the middle, yada yada, it came down to an exit ball 45-50 seconds from victory and instead of playing keepings off, a kick to a contest, a turnover and one of the games superstars ends up with the ball/game on his boot. Rest is history. Point is, composure was needed from the leaders and it wasnt there, especially Doc. Sounds harsh and critical, that's the reality, we never should have lost that game like that.
And despite poor umpiring, bigger PA bodies in the middle, yada yada, it came down to an exit ball 45-50 seconds from victory and instead of playing keepings off, a kick to a contest, a turnover and one of the games superstars ends up with the ball/game on his boot. Rest is history. Point is, composure was needed from the leaders and it wasnt there, especially Doc. Sounds harsh and critical, that's the reality, we never should have lost that game like that.
I don't disagree with that, as i said earlier. Just saying that Port were given a leg up of sorts.
We SHOULD be good enough to win from there. But, at this stage, i'm just happy that we are in that position.
Thats our 4 game from our last 6 that has been decided by 3 points or less. The only other games was Dogs last week (Flogged them) and saints who won by 3 goals.
That kind of experience we get from being in that position will only help us in the future.
In case you've forgotten. We haven't exactly been in many winnable positions over the past 3 years, so its still a bit of a learning experience. ;)
And despite poor umpiring, bigger PA bodies in the middle, yada yada, it came down to an exit ball 45-50 seconds from victory and instead of playing keepings off, a kick to a contest, a turnover and one of the games superstars ends up with the ball/game on his boot. Rest is history. Point is, composure was needed from the leaders and it wasnt there, especially Doc. Sounds harsh and critical, that's the reality, we never should have lost that game like that.
That's the tough part of the maturing process of an up and coming side. Composure has hurt us a couple of times this year. Knowing how to ice the clock is a part of it. Those type of losses hurt more now than it would've back in the days we were on the bottom, which wasn't long ago.
If any one of the umpires had spotted the illegal blocks which take out his opponent we win.
Apparently he’s the most “blocked for” player in the league. Obviously a well rehearsed set play.
The block ruling is perplexing.
Dixon's mark in the last was very obviously thanks to a block from one of their young brigade. He positioned, poked his butt out, braced, and kept Jones out of the contest. Couldn't have been more overt if he tried 🦗🦗🦗
If any one of the umpires had spotted the illegal blocks which take out his opponent we win.
Apparently he’s the most “blocked for” player in the league. Obviously a well rehearsed set play.
We were not smart enough with Dixon, the Hoff and Marshall were just played as decoys and we fell for it everytime and left Jones one out to often. No one wanted to get in front of Dixon either, it was a no brainer Port would kick it to Dixon but I only saw Docherty once and young Walsh get in front of him. There was one piece of play where he ran down the ground and about three of our blokes jumped out the road and let him through.
Wayne Carey has said that games decided by less than a kick are usually down to luck. Unfortunately Gray is a great clutch player - any one of his team mates would've missed.
Anyhoo............
Like to know what Newnes is doing to continue getting games. Still isn't doing anywhere nearly enough for mind and the mistakes are something a player of his experience shouldn't be making.
We have North, Hawthorn, Freo and West Coast the next 4 games, not sure the order of the last 2. Would like to win 3 of them.
We were not smart enough with Dixon, the Hoff and Marshall were just played as decoys and we fell for it everytime and left Jones one out to often. No one wanted to get in front of Dixon either, it was a no brainer Port would kick it to Dixon but I only saw Docherty once and young Walsh get in front of him. There was one piece of play where he ran down the ground and about three of our blokes jumped out the road and let him through.
I commented in game. Thankfully Jones started playing in front of Dixon. Might have been early in q3. Dixon was the difference imo. Both sides missed easy goals. I think on balance Dixon got the better of umpiring calls compared to Harry. The 50:50 one's didn't favour H, yet Dixon gifted overt blocks. Evidently blocking in the contest is a free kick. We were unlucky in that regard as I saw it.
So what were the frees against H for?
And noticed that Cripps gets a lot of in the back calls - is that something the opposition has worked out with him?
Not saying those calls aren’t right just curious
We got dicked with the umpiring badly in that last but regardless should’ve been able to hold the fcking ball for 1 minute for chrisakes
On the bright side, if we can take one more step up as a side $hit we'll be winning some games.
Gee we did a hell of a lot right today, can't knock the effort. The come back after they kicked the first 3 was scintillating. Walshy jumping for that mark into the oncoming pack and eyes only for the ball, who's Connor Rozee again? Walshy definitely needs to polish up his kicking but his work rate today was elite. Gibbons was clever all day...except that faaaaarken kick down the line with 45 sec to go. Arrrrrrrgggggg!
On the bright side, if we can take one more step up as a side $hit we'll be winning some games.
45 more seconds of composure and we are the talk of the town make no mistake about it.
Consolation - suddenly the future looks brighter, but boy I’m still smarting over losing that one🤬👹
Saw a write up of the scratch match with the leftovers with no mention of O’Brien or Stocker which was disappointing.
‘ CARLTON'S non-selected players had the chance to impress and stake their claims for selection against St Kilda on Sunday.
After no reserves scratch match last week as they adjusted to life in the hub, the Blues had 17 players take to the field for a hot and physical contest against the Saints.
It marked a welcome return to action for a trio of Blues, with Paddy Dow, Harrison Macreadie and Jack Silvagni playing their first games in a number of weeks.
It was Dow and Macreadie's first games since the restart, while Silvagni - who kicked a goal in the third quarter - made his return after he sustained a bruised lung in the AFL win over Essendon.
Dow featured extensively in the midfield as well as having stints up forward, impressing with his burst and sidestep in stoppage situations.’
Thats one way to look at it, sure.
But how did Port get those chances?
50-50 umpiring calls went their way......especially in the last.
Harry in a holding match in the goalsquare = free kick port. Turn that the other way and they don't get close. Better yet, don't call anything but play on....and we win that game.
Eddies tackle, dropping the ball....nah, play on.
I think we got a kicking in danger called against us in the last....at least i think it was for that as i have no idea what it was for otherwise. You get that paid about 5% of the time......or 100% of the time if its against us in the last quarter.
So sure, have that belief if you want and it is somewhat valid. But Port don't get those calls if the umpiring was consistent....or even fair.
Here is another way of looking at it
Port had 46 more possessions, better disposal efficiency and two less turn overs.
We had seven more hitouts(not good enough considering Ladhams was the opponent) and controlled the stoppages, Port had a slight edge in the centre clearances.
Port had three more free kicks...20 to 17 ....
IMO Port worked harder, used the ball slightly better and had a couple of less turnovers which added up to about 3 points in their favour....3 free kicks there way wasnt a massive factor IMHO.
We didnt man them up as well given they had the ball 46 more times and it cost us at the end when Gray was hitup...we still have too many dumb errors...ie Cripps spoiling Weitering in goal square..Farrell crumbs, easy goal....Dixon handballs to well known long bomb expert Farrell who kicks long goal, Farrells opponent non existent, think it was SPS.
Levi misses like the old Levi from 15m at a crucial stage then Gray kicks the tough one.....we had a our chances IMO.
Think there a few more areas to work on than umpires....
They made mistakes too.
I’m so disappointed, we had that won. But we were trying to hold on for the last 5 minutes and not attacking where they threw everything at it. Still it stinks.
How good was that Walsh mark and totally see he is a fierce competitor and doesnt put up with any crap, can’t wait to see how good he’ll get and hopefully it will be with us
Consolation - suddenly the future looks brighter, but boy I’m still smarting over losing that one🤬👹
They hurt more when you're becoming a good side with a chance.
Our percentage is still, over 100. You don't need a huge win in these low scoring times to bump it up by 10%. GC percentage rose 8% on the back of a 32pt win. We need a couple more thumping wins to get right up there.
They made mistakes too.
I’m so disappointed, we had that won. But we were trying to hold on for the last 5 minutes and not attacking where they threw everything at it. Still it stinks.
How good was that Walsh mark and totally see he is a fierce competitor and doesnt put up with any crap, can’t wait to see how good he’ll get and hopefully it will be with us
Walsh was great today, great courage and he worked hard all day, he might get more possies in other games but he will learn a lot from today and take a lot of confidence from the game.
Docherty also took a nice brave mark that will probably go unnoticed but he could have got cleaned up as well...
God forbid the club stayed in the 8 two 2 weeks in a row. The Masters of the cock tease is the Carlton football club.
The same knob finds a way to miss kicking a goal from 10 metres out and changing the momentum of the game. This isn't the first time he's done it either so don't go defending him. Casboult is a serial offender on this front.
It's always the same senior players screwing it up. If it's not Murphy or Plowman, never fear Casboult will make sure the cock up trio will manage to change the whole complexion of the game with a monumental screw up. So screwing predictable.
All you guys talking about improvement are kidding yourself. This is the same crap the club's been delivering for 20 years. screwing sick of it...
...we still have too many dumb errors...ie Cripps spoiling Weitering in goal square..Farrell crumbs, easy goal....Dixon handballs to well known long bomb expert Farrell who kicks long goal, Farrells opponent non existent, think it was SPS.
Levi misses like the old Levi from 15m at a crucial stage
Feel like any criticism of our players today is cheap but, yeah, that was poor by Crippa. Weits had it covered. And it was Simmo who left Farrell unattended.
btw, congrats Simmo - officially games ‘losingest’ player. Sad indictment on CFC’s last 20 years. But the T-Train is picking up speed!
So what were the frees against H for?
And noticed that Cripps gets a lot of in the back calls - is that something the opposition has worked out with him?
Not saying those calls aren’t right just curious
The holding frees against. Where it appears both are holding jostling for best marking position. These are 50:50 depending on the second the ump noticed. Noticed Harry's frustration with this today.
God forbid the club stayed in the 8 two 2 weeks in a row. The Masters of the cock tease is the Carlton football club.
The same knob finds a way to miss kicking a goal from 10 metres out and changing the momentum of the game. This isn't the first time he's done it either so don't go defending him. Casboult is a serial offender on this front.
It's always the same senior players screwing it up. If it's not Murphy or Plowman, never fear Casboult will make sure the cock up trio will manage to change the whole complexion of the game with a monumental screw up. So screwing predictable.
All you guys talking about improvement are kidding yourself. This is the same crap the club's been delivering for 20 years. screwing sick of it...
Jog on.
Apologies all. It was my fault that Cas missed that goal from 15 out.
My son (8yo) said: certain goal
Me: wait until it's kicked.
Son: How can you miss from there?
Me: Watch and learn.
Son: didn't say anything, but learnt! (and wasn't watching when Port players essentially did the same).
Looking at pre-match comments and the game, we lack trust in what the Blues will deliver. They did alright today - once they started getting the ball. If they string a few more games with that intensity at least, wins will come, confidence will increase and they will build our trust.
Not an honourable loss - they should have won - there is now a difference in that we have an expectation that they win these games.
They hurt more when you're becoming a good side with a chance.
Our percentage is still, over 100. You don't need a huge win in these low scoring times to bump it up by 10%. GC percentage rose 8% on the back of a 32pt win. We need a couple more thumping wins to get right up there.
Little wins...
We took 11% points off their percentage and only lost 1% from ours. ;)
We only play 3 more sides in the 8, one being the GC, Brisbane and the Pies the other two. So we have our chances.
Little wins...
We took 11% points off their percentage and only lost 1% from ours. ;)
Melbourne's percentage went up 13% today. Nearly passed us.
Are we fit enough and if not, why not? That worries me a bit
A ripper game, great standard and if we maintain this intensity/style (and winning most) we'll score more prime time TV games.
The TT clearly not pleased with some aspects of our game today, judging by after game comments and some of the camera 'cut to's' during the coverage. Good he was displeased as he knows we can do much better.
We're a very good side now, even with an ordinary 2nd qtr, slow start and crucial errors in the last qtr we could have quite easily won the game. However, the more deserving side won the game, but I'd rather be on us now and in the future.
After watching the replay that soft free to Dixon and non free against H which others have noted, were both crucial to the result. Umpiring in close games has to be better as it has too much influence on the result otherwise. Both contests were play on... Dixon was holding Jones back with his arm (happens 50 times a game) and Jones made the mistake of briefly touching that arm, experienced umpires understand what Dixon was up to and simply call play on (check out the surprised look on Dixon's swede when he got the free), likewise the H 'tangle' with opponent should have been play on (and Murphy goals). Though in every game decided by less than a kick you can find plenty of IFs, umpiring still has to be better... if in doubt/50-50... play on.
Hopefully SOJ and Zachery make an appearance next week.
When SPS drifted up the ground and into play his impact was important - those footy smarts and disposal skills have to be better utilized.
Like last week our opponents had more inside 50s than us and this time it bit us on the bum.
Feel like any criticism of our players today is cheap but, yeah, that was poor by Crippa. Weits had it covered. And it was Simmo who left Farrell unattended.
btw, congrats Simmo - officially games ‘losingest’ player. Sad indictment on CFC’s last 20 years. But the T-Train is picking up speed!
If you dont look at why we lost the game then we wont win the close ones in the future...its not a cheap shot at players its just getting to the reality of why we lose. It would have been cheap to attack Plowman for allowing Gray to kick the winning goal but Plowman played a great game. Jones played as well as anyone could on the bearded monster but once again people will look for the easy target.
Farrells two goals should not have happened and two senior players who are two of our best have to do better......I know Cripps felt he had to take on the responsibility to punch the ball through but his awareness wasnt good and Simmo probably didnt know much about Farrell but its little things that all group together to let you down.
Levi missed an easy goal......been great all year has Levi but that is a coach killer miss and he just has to kick those ones....
The last two minutes are nail biting. Cunners needed to lower the eyes, Betts, Cripps and one other were options for a set shot.
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Consolation - suddenly the future looks brighter, but boy I’m still smarting over losing that one🤬👹
Its a different hurt though Cookie.
Cunners needed to lower the eyes, Betts, Cripps and one other were options for a set shot.
Just panicked.
God forbid the club stayed in the 8 two 2 weeks in a row. The Masters of the cock tease is the Carlton football club.
The same knob finds a way to miss kicking a goal from 10 metres out and changing the momentum of the game. This isn't the first time he's done it either so don't go defending him. Casboult is a serial offender on this front.
It's always the same senior players screwing it up. If it's not Murphy or Plowman, never fear Casboult will make sure the cock up trio will manage to change the whole complexion of the game with a monumental screw up. So screwing predictable.
All you guys talking about improvement are kidding yourself. This is the same crap the club's been delivering for 20 years. screwing sick of it...
Fairs fair Spanner, but for 45-60 seconds lacking composure at the end, we were in it up to our ears against the league leaders. Yes the loss is unacceptable and hurts, but its a different hurt. At least:
- We Fought back convincingly after a 3goal to zip start by the league leaders
- Yes we missed sitters, they missed more sitters.
- Umps were terrible but we were 45 seconds from winning.
Just panicked.
Maybe, there is a fine line between taking the game on and being composed. A pass to Betts and a goal puts the game beyond doubt. This is where Teague needs to drill the message home and make sure they learn. Next time we are less than a goal in front with 1 min to play, I expect nothing less than a win. If we dont learn from that, we are not progressing.
There was a bit of a tell in the 1st, when Martin ran into F50 with two team-mates 15m out goal side and clear of opponents and ignored them. Martin kicked the long goal, but if he'd missed the media would be tearing him a new one, but lucky for him he didn't!
Put that into context later in the game, when more than once we took low percentage shots at goal ahead of hitting up a short target inside F50. Also several of those long bombs out of D50 to team-mates who were outnumbered 2 or more on 1.
It all shows a bit of panic setting in, harsh critics would claim it was selfish footy.
Just panicked.
I disagree. I think he did what Teague has been telling them all to do, back Yourself and go for it. If it doesn’t work, try again. He had that through the goal posts if he put just a bit more on it.
I disagree. I think he did what Teague has been telling them all to do, back Yourself and go for it. If it doesn’t work, try again. He had that through the goal posts if he put just a bit more on it.
Agree 100%, still need to quickly sum it up and make a good decision. If he nails the pass to Betts, he's as much of a hero as if he kicked the goal, gotta play the %'s. Perspective.
Its a different hurt though Cookie.
Yes! It's more crushing when you're finally a good side and it's in a close season where every wins really counts.
Agree 100%, still need to quickly sum it up and make a good decision. If he nails the pass to Betts, he's as much of a hero as if he kicked the goal, gotta play the %'s. Perspective.
You do, but wasn't it only a minute earlier(?) where Gray could've had a shot but gave 1 extra handball and the shot was missed from 4m out?
You'd think that was playing the %'s too.
Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
When the adrenaline is going....the brain is usually not.
You do, but wasn't it only a minute earlier(?) where Gray could've had a shot but gave 1 extra handball and the shot was missed from 4m out?
You'd think that was playing the %'s too.
True, but that miss was hardly Gray's fault.
In fairness to Cunningham, he was probably only 0.5m from kicking it and he's a hero. In any case the problem wasn't that kick although it's easy to identify as a moment, there were many problems right through the game relating to ball use and decision making. Hopefully we've got all the bad old stuff out of our system in one game!
There was a lot of good today as well, it was a tough game, North being smashed pretty much had a holiday and will be fresh.
Swap our team just for last 90 secs with WC or Coll or Geel or Rich or Bris and they walk away with the points. They hold onto the ball from when Gibbons had it. Time was their enemy kicking to a pack is just dumb - it gives them a chance to win the ball back and without a very dominant pack marker or massive numbers it leaves the door open
We are youngish but we also have a more then few out their today that have played a lot of footy and you would think at times like that they would take control. Wasn’t to be.
Hopefully we learn from it.
We have a lot of upside and finally and I will say it again finally the kids are starting to be able to influence games and we no longer need to rely on the usual blokes to play blinders.
Walsh, setterfield, Gibbons, Williamson, Cunningham, Harry (I’m sure I’ve missed some) all have a lot of improvement in them and are not in their prime.
I’m a lot more optimistic about the next few years then I anticipated. A still have midfield and small forward holes but fill them and we have a list that will compete at the pointy end for many years.
I’m disappointed with not getting the 4 points but not disappointed with what I witnessed today.
We are no longer the whipping boys we are at least competitive every week and when we all click the kids and our older blokes I reckon we will be a big worry to any team that faces us.
We have a lot of upside and finally and I will say it again finally the kids are starting to be able to influence games and we no longer need to rely on the usual blokes to play blinders.
Walsh, setterfield, Gibbons, Williamson, Cunningham, Harry (I’m sure I’ve missed some) all have a lot of improvement in them and are not in their prime.
I’m a lot more optimistic about the next few years then I anticipated. A still have midfield and small forward holes but fill them and we have a list that will compete at the pointy end for many years.
I’m disappointed with not getting the 4 points but not disappointed with what I witnessed today.
We are no longer the whipping boys we are at least competitive every week and when we all click the kids and our older blokes I reckon we will be a big worry to any team that faces us.
Good read. Not sure I agree with Cuningham in that group, though. But the others are definitely showing strong growth/improvement. Cuningham has all the talent in the world but his focus/concentration goes awol too often.
Swap our team just for last 90 secs with WC or Coll or Geel or Rich or Bris and they walk away with the points.
Hopefully we learn from it.
You've got to be in it to learn it, and until now we haven't been in it enough to learn it,
Next time we are less than a goal in front with 1 min to play, I expect nothing less than a win. If we dont learn from that, we are not progressing.
Precisely. Tough Post mortem I hope
At one stage, we dominated play for 10 to 15 minutes and didn't score, a flashback moment.
I think that is a bigger problem.
God forbid the club stayed in the 8 two 2 weeks in a row. The Masters of the cock tease is the Carlton football club.
The same knob finds a way to miss kicking a goal from 10 metres out and changing the momentum of the game. This isn't the first time he's done it either so don't go defending him. Casboult is a serial offender on this front.
It's always the same senior players screwing it up. If it's not Murphy or Plowman, never fear Casboult will make sure the cock up trio will manage to change the whole complexion of the game with a monumental screw up. So screwing predictable.
All you guys talking about improvement are kidding yourself. This is the same crap the club's been delivering for 20 years. screwing sick of it...
The beauty of this forum is that we can all give our opinions, no matter how extreme they may seem. I prefer to be ‘glass half full’ and I think that there is evidence to support me, others may very well prefer to be unfulfilled and miserable and that is their prerogative.
I know Rozee was off for 10 mins before half time, but whoever was on him needs some praise. The Power Golden Boy was kept to 8 possessions. If it was SPS then he’s done 2 mighty jobs in 2 weeks.
I fear next week - I hope we come out and attack and blow them out of the water but history says We always lose against North no matter where we are on the ladder.
You do, but wasn't it only a minute earlier(?) where Gray could've had a shot but gave 1 extra handball and the shot was missed from 4m out?
You'd think that was playing the %'s too.
Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
When the adrenaline is going....the brain is usually not.
And that my friend is what separates the contenders from the also rans.
True, but that miss was hardly Gray's fault.
In fairness to Cunningham, he was probably only 0.5m from kicking it and he's a hero. In any case the problem wasn't that kick although it's easy to identify as a moment, there were many problems right through the game relating to ball use and decision making. Hopefully we've got all the bad old stuff out of our system in one game!
There was a lot of good today as well, it was a tough game, North being smashed pretty much had a holiday and will be fresh.
He was on his wrong side, ambition outweighed ability.
I know Rozee was off for 10 mins before half time, but whoever was on him needs some praise. The Power Golden Boy was kept to 8 possessions. If it was SPS then he’s done 2 mighty jobs in 2 weeks.
It was Willo who stood him mostly after half time.
My summary
Cripps - Still is yet to take a game by the scruff of the neck like he did many times last year. Made a fair few mistakes during the game today, but when the whips got cracking at the end we looked for him on a number of occasions and I THINK he was starting to get some form. I hope so anyway.
Ed Curnow - I think he was on Boak this week and did the usual number (bar that miracle goal to Boak in the first). In the votes again.
Sam Docherty - Was solid without being outstanding. Not impacting like he did in the early games but to be expected and still one of our best.
Kade Simpson - Good game by the old timer this week but he still costs us at times.
Sam Walsh - BOG for mine.
Matthew Kennedy - Tries the cute stuff sometimes and stuffs it up. Just stick to the basics kid.
Marc Murphy - As I said earlier time to give him a "managed" day off next week against Norf and bring in a kid
Michael Gibbons - Good game by Gibbo bar the decision to kick long down the line at the end. Did he even look back at any stage?
Jacob Weitering - Another top game. Think he was on Westhoff? Only realised he was playing when he took that mark at the end. Anyway whoever he was playing on he killed them.
Jack Newnes - As always, some good and some bad. On the cusp of getting dropped or having a great game I think.
Will Setterfield - Feel he just doesn't show urgency. Just looks like he's jogging along. Then I look at his stats and he's laid 10 tackles??
Jack Martin - He's quietest game this year but still all class. Will bounce back.
Lachie Plowman - EASILY his best game this year. Showed some good form. Not his fault at the end. Let down by players further up the ground.
Sam Petrevski-Seton - Real quiet early but got some critical touches towards the end and was reasonable.
David Cuningham - Quiet for long periods during the game but then had that opportunity at the death where he could've covered himself in glory. I think he choked.
Mitch McGovern - A couple of cameos but otherwise another forgettable game.
Levi Casboult - Bad Levi today. Honestly believe when he misses opportunities like "that kick" he drops off completely. A real head case.
Liam Jones - Felt sorry for this bloke. Took on the monster Dixon with little help and at times did OK. Needed more support from Weitering and or Pittonet. Thought maybe Levi could've taken on Dixon but Teague seems to back blokes in.
Harry McKay - Shows he can be a star. So exciting to watch at times. I just wish I knew why he gets such a bad run with the umpires (4 frees against). At one stage he got a holding against him in the goal square and he was in front? How does that work.
Eddie Betts - Quiet one for Ed but always trying and kicks his usual goal
Tom Williamson - Quiet as well and made a serious error of judgement when he took that handball from Walsh and nearly put himself out of the game. I mean seriously why even call for the ball? Still thought apart from that he was good.
Marc Pittonet - Thought he got beaten by the new kid in general play but held his own in the ruck.
Just on the Gibbo kick down the line, Teague explained in the presser that the get out kick is down the line, go for the boundary line via a punch (if it cant be marked), a throw in ensues and a reset can occur. That's all well and good, Gibbo followed the rules. Sometimes though, you got to think it through and determine if another strategy is required. Port just kept cutting it off our attacks and sending it back inside 50, they just kept missing (fortunately for us). That's why at that point, it needed another tactic and I think Doc should have taken charge. Anyway, no point flogging a dead horse, it's done now, they will review it hard and hopefully can execute better next time and get the chocolates.
Don’t get why a senior player didn’t come around and call for it short and then run down the clock. Get that’s what they train for but I don’t remember one time we kicked to a pack, that our guy marked it in play. Not once.
Marc Pittonet - Thought he got beaten by the new kid in general play but held his own in the ruck.
Ladhams had 21 possessions vs Pittonet’s 3, so it was like operating with one less midfielder. This was Pittonet’s worst showing since the mauling Marshall of the Saints gave him.
I like him, but we can’t carry a ruckman that gets slaughtered around the ground we need to start considering introducing TDK.
One of the best games from Plowman. He found the confidence to be creative. Importantly at the right moments. Hope he can continue that work.
Looks much better away from the last line where he tends to panic and grab his opponent.
Ladhams had 21 possessions vs Pittonet’s 3, so it was like operating with one less midfielder. This was Pittonet’s worst showing since the mauling Marshall of the Saints gave him.
I like him, but we can’t carry a ruckman that gets slaughtered around the ground we need to start considering introducing TDK.
That's where Kreuzer is handy. We often get value around the ground.
There's been a fair bit of nyah nyah nyah Carlton today, especially by "magnanimous" supporters of other clubs but I refuse to get riled by it this time. Because I genuinely believe that (1) we really didn't play well enough to win this and were lucky to be within four goals and (2) we're coming and they're starting to sh1t themselves at the prospect of a resurgent Carlton.
The fact this loss hurts is progress in itself.
That Levi hit the post from 4 metres out sucked the life out of the team. We had kicked half of our score to that point.
We did ourselves no favors in the last five minutes. Having watched the replay.
1. Does anyone have any idea the the free kick against Harry was for in the last??!
2. The blocking by Port for Dixon was a master class, David King and the other idiots don't even mention this in their Dixon diatribe. Clubs get away with this, clearly something we should be investing more time in.e
Go Baggers!
2. The blocking by Port for Dixon was a master class, David King and the other idiots don't even mention this in their Dixon diatribe. Clubs get away with this, clearly something we should be investing more time in.e
I think it was either Gibbons or Martin who did the same for McKay/McGovern on a couple of occasions, on one they were penalised and on another they got away with it.
I don't know how many times we got two players to the fall of the ball uncontested by opponents and spoiled each other, it shows a lack of voice because they can't blame the crowd noise at the moment!
I don't know what to think of the umpire instructing the Port player to go back through the goals, how would that fair if it was the last moments of a GF and the scores were level? I must say, I'm not a fan of rules being applied subjectively, umpires are there to umpire not to coach idiots out of making stupid mistakes.
Yep. We definitely stole defeat from the jaws of victory.
And if Levi Kicks his from right in front we win.
Ifs ands or buts...
Deags - doesn't quite work that way re: Levi miss. We will never know what would have happened. What if Port kicked the first of there easy misses late in the last? We would have had more time to be attacking and get the goal back - or they might have kicked another. Who knows
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The first 4 minutes approx of Access All Areas gives a brief report of the game.
We did ourselves no favors in the last five minutes. Having watched the replay.
1. Does anyone have any idea the the free kick against Harry was for in the last??!
2. The blocking by Port for Dixon was a master class, David King and the other idiots don't even mention this in their Dixon diatribe. Clubs get away with this, clearly something we should be investing more time in.e
Go Baggers!
Dal Santo mentioned an illegal block but then said he was okay with it not being paid.
Dal Santo mentioned an illegal block but then said he was okay with it not being paid.
They all pander to the umpires as its a difficult job. Dunstall was calling it out a bit more though. particularly the ones that could go either way.
Deags - doesn't quite work that way re: Levi miss. We will never know what would have happened. What if Port kicked the first of there easy misses late in the last? We would have had more time to be attacking and get the goal back - or they might have kicked another. Who knows
That was my point.
We cant say Port Missed goals therefore they should have won easily. It doesnt work that way. Same as we cant say what about Levi.
That was my point.
We cant say Port Missed goals therefore they should have won easily. It doesnt work that way. Same as we cant say what about Levi.
Levis was the good old 12 point turnaround though. He hit the post, they took the kick in, and went down the other end and scored within a minute.
Instead of us extending a lead out to what would have been our biggest lead of the day, that Port goal I think brought the margin back to one point, or even put port in front.
When games are balanced on a knife edge like that, each one mistake is amplified. When the game is literally one kick in it, each other mistake is also amplified.
I.e. Walsh takes mark of the year, plays on too quick and we get pinged holding the ball off that handpass to David Cunningham (from memory). They scored in the next passage of play.
Its things like that can make the difference between a 2 goal margin and a 4 goal margin, and in tight contests they cost you wins.
we will learn from it. No one person is at fault, they are just pivotal moments which result in massive momentum swings. Confidence builders, pressure builders, or vice versa.
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Free kick to Dixon.
Jones clearly has grabbed him by the arm. :o
Free kick to Dixon.
Jones clearly has grabbed him by the arm. :o
What about the high contact from Dixon?
The blocking by Port for Dixon was a master class, David King and the other idiots don't even mention this in their Dixon diatribe. Clubs get away with this, clearly something we should be investing more time in.
When do we play Hawthorn again? Answer is simple - employ these crapty tactics against thuggo Clarko so that he complains to the AFL and they act. Do the same with a ‘third man in’ at every tackle and the League will start paying it for what it is - holding the man to the original tackler.
Problem is, Carlton players have not mastered the art of subtlety, or know when to ham it up - that’s why so many 50/50 decisions go against us. Jones should have thrown his arms out and collapsed like a ton of bricks when he was blocked yesterday (even then, umps would call “play on” because it’s Carlton).
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/a80144e7ca4d2d33035ca3303b745fb5?width=1024) I do hope the Umpires look at this. This isn't a strength battle, it is not reasonable.
What about the high contact from Dixon?
You'll never get to umpire a Carlton Game Cookie ;D
Dal Santo mentioned an illegal block but then said he was okay with it not being paid.
I remember that one clearly. Dal Santo is a Carlton hating hypocrite who has never even heard of ‘impartiality’ .
great effort BUT same old story our game plan is to basic once again kicking to a contest ,turnover ball comes back to opposition forwardline how MANY times over the years have we watched this happen. We need players that can RUN and CARRY been our downfall we are to slow especially from defence.
Free kick to Dixon.
Jones clearly has grabbed him by the arm. :o
Jones is a bit too nice, and under the current rules and video scrutiny there is no really effective way for players to sort this out like the old days.
In the 90s Dixon would limp off with some rib and kidney damage if he kept holding on like that, not necessarily from Jones but perhaps an ally like Plowman or Doc but again they are too nice, something I haven't seen happen since Hodge was a lad!
Really getting this crap sorted is a job for Pittonet if he's going to be our enforcer, nothing like a ruck's knee into your opponents back to help you out!
Jones is a bit too nice, and under the current rules and video scrutiny there is no really effective way for players to sort this out like the old days.
In the 90s Dixon would limp off with some rib and kidney damage if he kept holding on like that, not necessarily from Jones but perhaps an ally like Plowman or Doc but again they are too nice, something I haven't seen happen since Hodge was a lad!
Really getting this crap sorted is a job for Pittonet if he's going to be our enforcer, nothing like a ruck's knee into your opponents back to help you out!
Dixon charged from the forward line to the middle in one passage of play and our blokes jumped out the road and didnt want to challenge him.He is one of the few rough nuts in the game and the media sell him as that, Jones was intimidated, Dixon is a one off big unit and needed to be double teamed, not sure why we left Jones tackle him on his own all the time and I'm not blaming Jones.
You look at the photo MBB posted and Dixon is a much stronger unit than Jones who isnt small either...it should have been a free but Dixon gets away with it like Barry Hall did because the umps are too weak to call it and would call it a show of strength even though its head high.
In the old days a Andrew Walker would have filled the gap in front of Dixon and taken the lead away, might have led to some pain but Dixon would have alter his game and so would Port.
In the old days a Andrew Walker would have filled the gap in front of Dixon and taken the lead away, might have led to some pain but Dixon would have alter his game and so would Port.
Old days! :o
Aaaah 1AW, we miss you standing on the head of plebs like Carlisle!
Talking about different types of toughness. I saw 1AW one day jogging along Nepean Hwy on the way to PP from our pre-season camp in Portsea. He was just north of Mornington at the time passing the winery midway between there and Mount Eliza, the rest of the squad was going to ride a bike but he choose to jog it! That's 44km down, 71km to go. I'm assuming somebody gave him a lift eventually! I know he mentioned one time in an interview he had became addicted to the fitness stuff, which took a toll on his body.
Dixon charged from the forward line to the middle in one passage of play and our blokes jumped out the road and didnt want to challenge him.He is one of the few rough nuts in the game and the media sell him as that, Jones was intimidated, Dixon is a one off big unit and needed to be double teamed, not sure why we left Jones tackle him on his own all the time and I'm not blaming Jones.
You look at the photo MBB posted and Dixon is a much stronger unit than Jones who isnt small either...it should have been a free but Dixon gets away with it like Barry Hall did because the umps are too weak to call it and would call it a show of strength even thought its head high.
In the old days a Andrew Walker would have filled the gap in front of Dixon and taken the lead away, might have led to some pain but Dixon would have alter his game and so would Port.
I miss 1AW
I thought we stopped trying to win the game in the last 15 minutes and just tried and hoped to save it. When you are use to winning and expect to win, you keep playing to win. Martin, Murphy and Casboult all missed goals they should have kicked so Port missing goals in the last five minutes are really a distraction from the result. We kept on repelling the ball out of defence but no one really tried to win the ball on the wing and then lock it in our front half. If the ball is in our forward line, there is no way they are going to pass it to Robbie Grey and therefore no goal after the siren. There was criticism of Cuningham on AAA where Loyd said he should have kicked the ball to Casboult when he burst thru the 50. Casboult was free and he should have kicked it to him, but clearly he didn't see him and I have been advocating that players take the game on and try and win it rather than looking to a team mate to take the responsibility, so I am not that critical. The ball just needed to travel a further two meters and the game would have been over. So good on Cuningham for having a go. Just improve the skill level.
We have five or six plus winnable games in our run home, and another three or four in which we should be competitive. We have players doing well in the scratch matches so we have plenty of depth. It is really in our own hands.
We had possession on the wing with 40 seconds left then kicked to a contest. We should have been playing keepings off.
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Nothing to see there 😂
And if Levi Kicks his from right in front we win.
Ifs ands or buts...
If nothing else in the game changed, but in reality the whole game would change, the butterfly effect. There is no way of knowing if that change would be for our better or worse.
We had possession on the wing with 40 seconds left then kicked to a contest. We should have been playing keepings off.
I agree, but I also think that we started defending a very small lead way too early.
Terry Wallace pointed out on three separate occasions during the match that the difference Betts and Martin have made to our skill level is significant.
I agree, but I also think that we started defending a very small lead way too early.
Disagree we went defensive too early, just couldnt score.
Watch the last 2 mins:
1. Cunningham could have hit up Betts, Levi or Cripps instead of blazing away on this wrong foot. Game would have been over.
2. Gibbo could have found a loose man and initiated keepings off. Game would have been over.
3. The three talls Gibbo went for all failed to mark or punch the ball over the line. Game would have been over.
4. When the ball came back in, Jones completely missed the ball when trying to punch it over the line. Game would have been over.
All attention to detail and execution items that I hope we lean from.
Disagree we went defensive too early, just couldnt score.
Watch the last 2 mins:
1. Cunningham could have hit up Betts, Levi or Cripps instead of blazing away on this wrong foot. Game would have been over.
2. Gibbo could have found a loose man and initiated keepings off. Game would have been over.
3. The three talls Gibbo went for all failed to mark or punch the ball over the line. Game would have been over.
4. When the ball came back in, Jones completely missed the ball when trying to punch it over the line. Game would have been over.
All attention to detail and execution items that I hope we lean from.
If we'd started properly and not given them a 3 goal start then so much of the last qtr would have only been academic.
Disagree we went defensive too early, just couldnt score.
Watch the last 2 mins:
1. Cunningham could have hit up Betts, Levi or Cripps instead of blazing away on this wrong foot. Game would have been over.
2. Gibbo could have found a loose man and initiated keepings off. Game would have been over.
3. The three talls Gibbo went for all failed to mark or punch the ball over the line. Game would have been over.
4. When the ball came back in, Jones completely missed the ball when trying to punch it over the line. Game would have been over.
All attention to detail and execution items that I hope we lean from.
Reckon we will, GTC. One of those losses that may in fact be a huge learning experience/catalyst... especially that we can lead a top side, plus starting better and being more strategic in tight circumstances when in front.
Disagree we went defensive too early, just couldnt score.
Watch the last 2 mins:
1. Cunningham could have hit up Betts, Levi or Cripps instead of blazing away on this wrong foot. Game would have been over.
2. Gibbo could have found a loose man and initiated keepings off. Game would have been over.
3. The three talls Gibbo went for all failed to mark or punch the ball over the line. Game would have been over.
4. When the ball came back in, Jones completely missed the ball when trying to punch it over the line. Game would have been over.
All attention to detail and execution items that I hope we lean from.
You're probably right, but watching live I mentioned to my family with about 5 minutes left I'd detected a shift in our balance or attack and defence that left me uncomfortable, not sure if anybody else noticed it. I suppose I can't un-see that now.
If we'd started properly and not given them a 3 goal start then so much of the last qtr would have only been academic.
But we got back on level terms and took the lead quick smart so that advantage was wiped. If only to have those 120 seconds back and play it again.
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Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.
But we got back on level terms and took the lead quick smart so that advantage was wiped. If only to have those 120 seconds back and play it again.
Fair call, but if we started properly we may well have been 2-3 up at qtr time.
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.
Couldn't agree more. Was shouting that from the sofa... Meat to Dixon, give Jonesy a run up forward.
But we got back on level terms and took the lead quick smart so that advantage was wiped. If only to have those 120 seconds back and play it again.
Yes. We finally get into the 8, play the top side, lead when the final siren goes only to be kicked back out of the 8 in cruel fashion.
Couldn't agree more. Was shouting that from the sofa... Meat to Dixon, give Jonesy a run up forward.
The call that was made was Gov pushed back as the loose man.
They showed footage of him from behind the goals leading up to the lead, mark and winning goal by Gray.
Gov was defending the hotspot 25-30m out from goal, in the corridor. Gray and his opponent were behind him edging up. They move up to level, but closer to the boundary and he stayed in the hotspot (nobody behind him - he became the last line).
I forget who was analysing it but they were very critical of Gov for not getting in front of Gray or at least pushing closer to the boundary.
Personally i thought he was doing the right thing by forcing Gray into a position where if he was lucky he'd get the ball just inside the boundary, and close to the arc. Which is where it ended up.
Essentially, he played the %'s and that was the only spot Port would've been able to get a mark inside 50. Of course they pull it out of their backside to kick it, but had he pushed closer to the boundary, it would've opened up the corridor to someone coming down, resulting in an easier shot.
Of course all that happened after Dixon had done some damage, and i'm not sure how early that move was made.
In any event, Casboult to Dixon could've helped earlier. But then i would've used Jones in the Gov role, rather than sent Jones forward.
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.
I doubt Levi would have the speed to stay with Dixon on the lead. We saw the separation Dixon was able to get on Jones through the midfield, and Jones is especially quick for his size.
The trick to dealing with Dixon is the 3rd man and Port did well to keep them away, whether that was legal or not is another matter and it seems not in many cases.
Anyway, collectively, I think we did OK against the Port talls given how many opportunities they were given. It was the smaller / medium types that really ran amok generating too many repeat opportunities, we failed to stop the ball coming straight back after being cleared.
That and spending 10~15 dominating without scoring cooked us.
Levi to Dixon was the move to make.
Jones has been great but doesn’t have the bulk for that type of hulk.
Levi is about as strong one on one as Murphy...
Levis strength is see ball, fly at ball, clunk ball.
Levi is about as strong one on one as Murphy...
Levis strength is see ball, fly at ball, clunk ball.
I think that is the old Levi, it's clear his one on one has improved dramatically this season, at least in the ruck. Credit where credit is due.
The call that was made was Gov pushed back as the loose man.
They showed footage of him from behind the goals leading up to the lead, mark and winning goal by Gray.
Gov was defending the hotspot 25-30m out from goal, in the corridor. Gray and his opponent were behind him edging up. They move up to level, but closer to the boundary and he stayed in the hotspot (nobody behind him - he became the last line).
I forget who was analysing it but they were very critical of Gov for not getting in front of Gray or at least pushing closer to the boundary.
Personally i thought he was doing the right thing by forcing Gray into a position where if he was lucky he'd get the ball just inside the boundary, and close to the arc. Which is where it ended up.
Essentially, he played the %'s and that was the only spot Port would've been able to get a mark inside 50. Of course they pull it out of their backside to kick it, but had he pushed closer to the boundary, it would've opened up the corridor to someone coming down, resulting in an easier shot.
Of course all that happened after Dixon had done some damage, and i'm not sure how early that move was made.
In any event, Casboult to Dixon could've helped earlier. But then i would've used Jones in the Gov role, rather than sent Jones forward.
It was David King, I agree with you. Forcing the forward to the boundary, little space to mark and a lesser chance to kick a goal if they do take the mark. If you go back and listen to King live and then his post game summary there are often large differences in his view.
It was David King, I agree with you. Forcing the forward to the boundary, little space to mark and a lesser chance to kick a goal if they do take the mark. If you go back and listen to King live and then his post game summary there are often large differences in his view.
It is not uncommon for media types to revise opinions after the fact, and you'll never hear them reference the stuff that was wrong. But I suppose that is just human nature anyway, not restricted to megalomaniacs like McGuire, King and Caro.
What was it Caro stated? "I wasn't wrong, .............. but things changed!"
It was David King, I agree with you. Forcing the forward to the boundary, little space to mark and a lesser chance to kick a goal if they do take the mark. If you go back and listen to King live and then his post game summary there are often large differences in his view.
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Thought the same thing at the time, but we don't know the circumstances. He may have been shot physically. It looked pretty warm out there. May have taken it's toll. So many instances that could have impacted those last 40 seconds. The kick down the line from Gibbons. Why did he rush? Why not wait for the hurry up from the umpire? Then the kick. We had Pitto, Levi and H all there but the ball carried over the back to Jonas and that was all she wrote. Even the last desperate punch from the backmen looks like they all missed it and it hit legs out to Mayes for his delivery to Gray. Just a game of centimetres. Gotta stop reviewing that last 2 minutes
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Jono Brown thought the issue was the the kick before leading to Gray's mark. He pointed out that Jack Martin put very little pressure on the kicker, allowing an easy kick, when he could pushed alot harder and pushed him over the line. Brown went really hard on Martin as he said that what cost the game in those last seconds, not Gray's kick. He said with proper pressure the kick wouldn't have got to Gray. When I saw it again I couldn't help but agree. With more effort Martin could've really pressured the kicker.
Wasnt it Ladhams who hit Mays up?...no pressure applied there either, generally we are not the greatest team at manning opponents up.
Watching the replay at the moment. We started very slowly and struggled to get the ball out of the middle, but once we had the break, they couldn't get near us. Those 4 goals in a row was as good anything we have done this year.
Weitering was dominant in defence. Eddie Betts: we made a good decision there!
Pittonet had an ordinary game. Just couldn't get the ball.
That poster by Casboult really hurt. Levi struggled after that.
Could be buy a free kick?
Cunner and Setters had some nice cameos, but not enough meat.
Wines showed why we want him in the 2nd quarter.
Our 2nd quarter was not so good. Pitto really struggled.
I'd be tempted to replace Newnes with Honey. Honey may not get the ball enough either, but he really makes things happen.
A move I would have liked would be to move Jones into the ruck. His ability to dominate possession there could well have been useful.
McKay needs to work on his handball, especially under pressure.
Not winning enough clearances. Crippa hasn't been anywhere near his best.
H doesn't have to do much to give away a free. I'd be working on him so that doesn't happen. he isn't physical yet.
Jack Martin didn't have his kicking boot on. In that 3rd quarter we threw away the game. A couple of gettable ones to Murphy and Martin could have turned the game.
I really hate the kicking to the pack stuff.
H can't but a free.
Good goal from Newnes. really good pressure from the forwards early in the last.
Crippa goals and we win ... on the full. :(
Free against Cripps: really guessed by the Umps.
Dixon hurt us. Shocking free to Gray.
How did we lose this one?
I think that is the old Levi, it's clear his one on one has improved dramatically this season, at least in the ruck. Credit where credit is due.
No doubt he’s more aggressive at the ball, but he’s still not a strong body player, that’s my point.
No doubt he’s more aggressive at the ball, but he’s still not a strong body player, that’s my point.
Is it that he is not strong, or is it that he's just not prepared for the contact?
When I see him throw opponents out of the ruck inside F50, I find it hard to believe he is not strong enough, but that is a premeditated tactic.
In the one on one with a guy like Dixon or Hawkins, I think he gets caught off guard and is slow to react, and that makes him look too easy to counteract. I'd assert this might be his long term problem, because when you see Levi manhandle a opposition ruck, it's almost impossible to imagine how medium sized defenders could have ever moved him off the contest like they did so often! I think it might happen because his mind wanders and he doesn't expect contact.
So is it a headspace issue?
Is it that he is not strong, or is it that he's just not prepared for the contact?
When I see him throw opponents out of the ruck inside F50, I find it hard to believe he is not strong enough, but that is a premeditated tactic.
In the one on one with a guy like Dixon or Hawkins, I think he gets caught off guard and is slow to react, and that makes him look too easy to counteract. I'd assert this might be his long term problem, because when you see Levi manhandle a opposition ruck, it's almost impossible to imagine how medium sized defenders could have ever moved him off the contest like they did so often! I think it might happen because his mind wanders and he doesn't expect contact.
So is it a headspace issue?
Clearly he is physically strong, so it must be balance, anticipation and or timing.
I’m a huge fan of his newfound aggression.
Clearly he is physically strong, so it must be balance, anticipation and or timing.
I’m a huge fan of his newfound aggression.
"Timing" is a catch all used to cover a multitude of sins, which under further scrutiny are usually exposed as things like ignorance, incapable or indifference. It's the other side of the coin to being switched on, and can be variable threw a match related to fatigue, stress, etc., etc..
btw. In ignorance I don't necessarily mean being wilfully or deliberately ignorant, but that is part of the spectrum, while not being applicable to Levi who looks ultra-keen at the moment.
My mate says he loves watching Levi at the moment, it's like all his abilities have come home to roost but that Levi is like a 30 year old beginner never having experienced these skills before. It's like very game he learns he can do something new!
I was just thinking about Sam Walsh's game on the weekend...kicking goals at one end, great defensive marks at the other.
Gee the boy covers some territory.
Does anyone have any stats regarding 'metres covered' for 2020?