Gabba, Saturday 25 July, 1:05 PM
I can't see us losing this game.
This will be a real indicator of where we are at. I think everyone on this site believes we should win this and win it well but at the same time there will be an underlying feeling of dread. As has been the case many many times before these are the games we drop. If we truly have improved as a team the buck stops next Saturday.
C'mon blues, let's break the cycle of letdowns.
Last time we were bullied by Zeibell and Cunnington. Big Goldie will be a problem..
Think we'll win it or at least we bloody should. Ziebell out will help. Blues by 12
Big Goldie will be a problem..
I think Pittonet is better suited to competing with Goldstein than that Ladhams kid today, the more aerobic types look to have Pittonet well covered.
Goldstein is fit but he is not fast, he won't get the same separation that Ladhams got.
We play next Saturday at 13:05 at the 'Gabba. We still can't manage a free to air game.
I hope we can come back from the disappointment. North haven't been playing well.
Unfortunately, that is usually when we stuff up.
I hope we don’t. We have to find a win in this game. Surely.
Mods, I started a pre game thread for this match earlier. Please merge the two.
Thanks.
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=5075.0
Big test for us. This is a hallmark play a team into form game for us. North have been woeful this year. In the past, we would lose this one badly and wonder what happened.
Gabba, Saturday 25 July, 1:05 PM
I can't see us losing this game.
Oh goodness - you had to say it.....
Oh goodness - you had to say it.....
:)
My mozz is very hit and miss - sometimes it works and sometimes it backfires spectacularly. 8)
On paper and in theory there is no reason why we can't win, and not just win, but really control the game pretty much from start to finish. I'm not expecting a 10 goal thumping.
North are in a bad way, not just on field with injuries, loss of form, players of average quality etc., but I reckon off field they are a little rudderless. It would take a very bad day at the office for our coaches and players to lose this one IMO.
We need to be ruthless and utterly crush this mob... Do the kind of damage that sets them back years. But knowing us, we won't turn up and hand them the win they desperately need, and we'll all have to endure that "shinboner spirit" palaver yada yada. I just vomited in my mouth at the thought. F me, we owe this mob, less than 15 goals and we should pack up and hand the keys in. Kill the beast Carlton, do the job.
We need to be ruthless and utterly crush this mob...
I really don't care who we beat by 10 to 15 goals, as long as I live long enough to see it once more!
I'm sick of modern AFL, the whole work-safe attitude, and managing resources for next week. Just kick the crap out of whoever you are up against today and be done with it, not a gentlemanly kill, I want us to hand out a bloody murder!
I want to see some of our kids get the smell of blood in the water, instead of always being the chum!
Few Jeffrey Dahmers around here :)
Few Jeffrey Dahmers around here :)
I haven't seen us feast on the carcass of an opponent since the days of Dominator or Buzz! :o
Few Jeffrey Dahmers around here :)
Speaking of that, that reminds me I was going to clean out the freezer whilst home.
We really need to take this opportunity. We are reasonable form, North are in disarray and it is all in our own hands. We have stuffed this up so many times in the past 15 years. I believe we will win easily but I live in trepidation. I want to move to a better postcode.
We really need to take this opportunity. We are reasonable form, North are in disarray and it is all in our own hands. We have stuffed this up so many times in the past 15 years..................
It's just a vibe that I have, but I reckon this season is different. If we won against Port, no one would have any doubt about this game. A cruel twist of fate at the very end shouldn't change all the good work and positive energy IMO. The last 2 games North have monstered us, but they are anywhere near that level now.
Setting myself up for some serious egg on face.
Now 11th, need to win and few results go our way. Need Suns to roll the WBs, the Filth to roll the Weagles and Crows to roll the Cheats. Simples yes?
Brown on the lead with all the space to take a mark this wat scares me this week .
Brown on the lead with all the space to take a mark this wat scares me this week .
I think our fans are overconfident.
For example, I've heard Ben Brown has never played in a loss against us, five wins in a row and our last win was back before he played. The Shinboner fans just pencil it in for four points, the psychology of that can be significant.
We need to be ruthless and utterly crush this mob... Do the kind of damage that sets them back years. But knowing us, we won't turn up and hand them the win they desperately need, and we'll all have to endure that "shinboner spirit" palaver yada yada. I just vomited in my mouth at the thought. F me, we owe this mob, less than 15 goals and we should pack up and hand the keys in. Kill the beast Carlton, do the job.
Right now I'd be rapt to kick 15 goals let alone winning by that far.
The "switch on" factor worries me this week.
Lowly side, absolutely bagged all week in the media, come out firing. Meanwhile, playing a lowly side we don't come mentally switched on and fall well behind early.
This is the next step in the journey of maturing as a side.
If the reports from the scratch match are on the money it looks like we'll make around 16 changes for the weekend. :D
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/747073/reserves-player-by-player-review-v-st-kilda
No Stocker in the report??
jack Silvagni ruled out this weekend.
No Stocker in the report??
No, nothing. Omitted ? Injured ? Maybe being kept aside to play this week ?
The "switch on" factor worries me this week.
Lowly side, absolutely bagged all week in the media, come out firing. Meanwhile, playing a lowly side we don't come mentally switched on and fall well behind early.
This is the next step in the journey of maturing as a side.
x2. Need to be switched on so that we do not get jumped. Very nervous about this one.
If the reports from the scratch match are on the money it looks like we'll make around 16 changes for the weekend. :D
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/747073/reserves-player-by-player-review-v-st-kilda
Those reports are the absolute pits and an insult to supporters
jack Silvagni ruled out this weekend.
TBH, I'm not worried, I'd prefer another week with unchanged lineup, that we be some sort of a record for us I'd imagine? Change for the sake of change is pointless, we were 45 seconds from knocking off the top team had we executed properly.
Going into this heavy schedule we might find lots of players being rested for what was previously trivial issues, if they don't they risk getting 2 or 3 weeks in and have no fit players left to pick.
Going into this heavy schedule we might find lots of players being rested for what was previously trivial issues, if they don't they risk getting 2 or 3 weeks in and have no fit players left to pick.
Teague has commented previously that Russell has been training them and conditioning them for games every 4-5 days for quite a while.
Teague has commented previously that Russell has been training them and conditioning them for games every 4-5 days for quite a while.
I don't think that changes the situation, he can't train for injuries or soreness.
Bit of spice to the game this week with brothers Ben and Harry likely to play on each other, Ben had a reasonable game on Tom Lynch and is a bit more physical than Harry so I'll be interested in how much brotherly love they show each other..
Roos likely to regain Zurhaar, Anderson and maybe Daw, some talk they may rush Larkey back. The latter makes Ben Brown a better player so I'd be happy to see him not in the team. Zurhaar is the one who busted up Liam Jones from memory and likes it tough so I hope we pay him back and our players are aware of him as he tends to connect heavily with players when they are unprotected.
I've been watching Zuhaar since that day, has some real mongrel, not a chance in hell the Jones situation was an accident. I've seen him miss similar attempts more than once since then, he wants people to pay for getting in his way. He must think he is Hodge!
I've been watching Zuhaar since that day, has some real mongrel, not a chance in hell the Jones situation was an accident. I've seen his miss similar attempts more than once since then, he wants people to pay for getting in his way. He must think he is Hodge!
Yep he is a solid hombre and can play a bit, like to see him with his face in the turf and our blokes all piled on top.
As you say he meant what he did to Jones, that was a nasty injury and from memory Jones was over the boundary line , head down and it wasnt not necessary.
Yep he is a solid hombre and can play a bit, like to see him with his face in the turf and our blokes all piled on top.
As you say he meant what he did to Jones, that was a nasty injury and from memory Jones was over the boundary line , head down and it wasnt not necessary.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see a bit of mongrel, but you can't be putting blokes in hospital, that is just not on. It's a fine line.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to see a bit of mongrel, but you can't be putting blokes in hospital, that is just not on. It's a fine line.
How Zurhaar wasn't suspended defies description, to be honest. He never had eyes for anything else. Nor does he: that is the way he plays.
How Zurhaar wasn't suspended defies description, to be honest. He never had eyes for anything else. Nor does he: that is the way he plays.
Yes, with Ziebell out they'll rush him back in, they see that sort of brutality as our poison, they expect us to go back into our shell after one or two hits.
Run the fecker into the ground, make him chase whoever they sit him on from one end to the other and he'll blow up after a quarter and they'll be one down pretty much all over the turf!
<1>Last week Marc Pittonet had his least effective game by a long way. Apart from one small patch, he was generally beaten on the day.
It made a big difference in the end, as Port's ruckman got so much of the ball.
Goldstein provides a challenge that we have to really work at. if he dominates, then we are trouble, no matter how poor they have been of late.
What are our options?
[1] Trust Pitto: has stood up to the challenge so far, even with last week's poor game.
[2] Maybe we could ruck Jones? Jones is not likely to win many taps, but he competes well ans won't let his man get away with the single free possession.
[3] Bring de Koning in: I don't think he is ready yet, but his athleticism, his marking and his leap provides more options than our one dimensional ruck unit so far.
I honestly don't know which way we should go, but we really need to put some time into this.
<2> A couple of our players have had less than stellar weeks lately. Guys like Cuningham and Newnes, to mention just a few. Do we stay with them, knowing that they both can play much better, or do we blood some newchums who could prove a difference?
I'd be tempted to bring in a guy like Honey, who could just do enough extraordinary stuff to be a match winner and who won't take any crap.
Cottrell has been impressing in the twos, although our defence has been pretty good.
or do we 'strengthen' the midield? Polson has been good. Dow?
Cottrell has been impressing in the twos, although our defence has been pretty good.
Cottrell is more than a defender, some of his better VFL games made use of his run off the wing, although he was named on the HBF he hardly started there more than a couple of times.
With some rotations expected, at AFL level I can almost see Cottrell in a defensive small forward roll, he can offer significant tackling and rundown ability. Maybe the go is to put Martin into the Betts role, give Cottrell a defensive small forward roll, let Betts have a week off and give Gibbons some more midfield time.
<1>Last week Marc Pittonet had his least effective game by a long way. Apart from one small patch, he was generally beaten on the day.
It made a big difference in the end, as Port's ruckman got so much of the ball.
Goldstein provides a challenge that we have to really work at. if he dominates, then we are trouble, no matter how poor they have been of late.
What are our options?
[1] Trust Pitto: has stood up to the challenge so far, even with last week's poor game.
[2] Maybe we could ruck Jones? Jones is not likely to win many taps, but he competes well ans won't let his man get away with the single free possession.
[3] Bring de Koning in: I don't think he is ready yet, but his athleticism, his marking and his leap provides more options than our one dimensional ruck unit so far.
I honestly don't know which way we should go, but we really need to put some time into this.
<2> A couple of our players have had less than stellar weeks lately. Guys like Cuningham and Newnes, to mention just a few. Do we stay with them, knowing that they both can play much better, or do we blood some newchums who could prove a difference?
I'd be tempted to bring in a guy like Honey, who could just do enough extraordinary stuff to be a match winner and who won't take any crap.
Cottrell has been impressing in the twos, although our defence has been pretty good.
or do we 'strengthen' the midield? Polson has been good. Dow?
This is a very winnable game, Not sure I would be getting too cute with selection and bringing 1st gamers in...Nth are down but not out and still have a few decent players who could trouble us and take advantage of any newbies.
Think we will stick with the Pittonet/Casboult ruck combo...you would expect Goldstein to take the points but as long as Pitto can negate him to just an average game its job done.
Ed Curnow has to take Higgins IMO, McDonald or Dumont will probably get Cripps and If my memory serves me right I think the latter has done ok on the skipper in the past.
McGovern might have a easier time of it this week, Nth's defense apart from Tarrant isnt start studded and likely opponents for the Guv could be McMillan or Pittard, he should over power both and providing he doesnt let them do too much rebounding he could have one of his better games.
<1>Last week Marc Pittonet had his least effective game by a long way. Apart from one small patch, he was generally beaten on the day.
It made a big difference in the end, as Port's ruckman got so much of the ball.
Goldstein provides a challenge that we have to really work at. if he dominates, then we are trouble, no matter how poor they have been of late.
What are our options?
[1] Trust Pitto: has stood up to the challenge so far, even with last week's poor game.
[2] Maybe we could ruck Jones? Jones is not likely to win many taps, but he competes well ans won't let his man get away with the single free possession.
[3] Bring de Koning in: I don't think he is ready yet, but his athleticism, his marking and his leap provides more options than our one dimensional ruck unit so far.
I honestly don't know which way we should go, but we really need to put some time into this.
<2> A couple of our players have had less than stellar weeks lately. Guys like Cuningham and Newnes, to mention just a few. Do we stay with them, knowing that they both can play much better, or do we blood some newchums who could prove a difference?
I'd be tempted to bring in a guy like Honey, who could just do enough extraordinary stuff to be a match winner and who won't take any crap.
Cottrell has been impressing in the twos, although our defence has been pretty good.
or do we 'strengthen' the midield? Polson has been good. Dow?
Agree on Pitto. Pitto / Levi combo works ok, wouldn't want to see Jones in the ruck, leave the back 6 as it is, back it in.
Agree on TDK, not sure if he is ready or not. I'd guess Goldy is the not the right debut opponent for him.
Agree on Cunningham and Newnes, happy to see guys like Honey, Cottrel, Moore given a try.
Absolutely no on Polson, I never want to see him in the Seniors ever again. Too small, not enough skill, not enough mongrel, we know what he will bring, SFA. VFA player at best, no point going to that well again.
Dow I am happy to give a go when he is over the knee injury but he is also not impressing me with his disposal. Then again, he couldnt be worse than Kennedy (who I have been a massive fan of) at the moment. He was bloody terrible v Port.
Jy Simpkin looking like he is out also for Nth.. and Thomas for the season.
Jy Simpkin looking like he is out also for Nth.. and Thomas for the season.
Gee I hope we don't do a 94 final when Hocking Couch Bairstow Mansfield and Stoneham were out!!
Gee I hope we don't do a 94 final when Hocking Couch Bairstow Mansfield and Stoneham were out!!
We should win with one leg in the air, but it's going to be mighty embarrassing if we don't.
Was it some kid called Lord who kicked a bag in that game..?
We should win with one leg in the air, but it's going to be mighty embarrassing if we don't.
Was it some kid called Lord who kicked a bag in that game..?
You mean God, kicked 6. Mensch 3, Aaron Lord kicked 1.
FC just reported Stocker has returned home from the hub to be with family.
You mean God, kicked 6. Mensch 3, Aaron Lord kicked 1.
I remember Lord playing well..
No Change
Question mark over Harry. Vision on nine news showed him leaving the track after only 10 minutes. Seemed to be feeling down his right hammy. Hopefully just a little tightness
Norf have picked all their hardasses, like Zurhaar the sniper, so I suspect they think we are weak and there might be a bit of knuckle on Saturday. Be ready people, that mob are going to really wound up and ready to play.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/mckay-fine-after-covid-19-delay-kreuzer-sent-home-for-rehab-20200724-p55f20.html
No injury issue for Harry - a delay in getting covid test results back! how odd.
No injury issue for Harry - a delay in getting covid test results back! how odd.
Weird but believable, the AFL players are getting so many tests you can expect one or two to go wrong for whatever reasons.
Norf have picked all their hardasses, like Zurhaar the sniper, so I suspect they think we are weak and there might be a bit of knuckle on Saturday. Be ready people, that mob are going to really wound up and ready to play.
Yep, their ins make them better but we should still win easy IMO.....Zurhaar and Anderson will toughen them up a bit and Larkey who is the best mate of the former will make Browns life a bit easier.
Most teams think we are sus when its gets down to the knuckle stuff and I expect Cripps, Walsh and Martin to be targeted for some heavy duty action.
Be interesting who gets Zurhaar and if Liam Jones has a good memory ....
Zurhaar nails Jones front on, all but gives him brain damage...I expect him to try more of his stupid acts, there's been a catalogue of them.
I fair dinkum detest this mob, can't remember the last time we beat them. Gees we owe this mob plenty.
I fair dinkum detest this mob, can't remember the last time we beat them. Gees we owe this mob plenty.
I do remember one win.
One of the knuckleheads(get it shinbone, knucklehead! :D ) tried to square up to Kouta's chest in the goal square, and just bounced off like an inflatable clown!
Then hunt him and knuckle him.
Pre-empt
Then hunt him and knuckle him.
Pre-emptive strike! 😇
Harry has had a scan and is in doubt for the match
Harry has had a scan and is in doubt for the match
Maybe we’ll see what Callum Moore has to offer.
I hope not. Surely tine to see what TDK has to offer.
I hope not. Surely tine to see what TDK has to offer.
Reward form
I hope not. Surely tine to see what TDK has to offer.
Not listed as an emergency
I dont care who comes in if H doesnt play, as long they give 110% and arent passengers. One soldier out, another one comes in.
Harry has had a scan and is in doubt for the match
Did he break his little finger nail? Guy is made of glass.
Did he break his little finger nail? Guy is made of glass.
Two stories going around... hamstring or nothing more complicated than a C-19 test result delay (which came through negative... good to go).
Two stories going around... hamstring or nothing more complicated than a C-19 test result delay (which came through negative... good to go).
He almost pulled out last week (or was it the week before?) and ended up dominating.
Absolutely bucketing down up here at the moment. Not a great day for our style of play.
Absolutely bucketing down up here at the moment. Not a great day for our style of play.
Rubbish. We have been a good wet weather team for a few years. Even a few weeks ago against the Dogs we adapted to the slippery conditions quicker. Being the highest kick to handball team in the comp will work in our favour.
Oh well, the club is consistent with telling BS about players injuries. Delayed covid test my ass. Cameras spotted him going for a scan.
Did he break his little finger nail? Guy is made of glass.
He is a chandelier just like so many others on the list.
Harry out and Moore in...just makes it a little harder for us, lets hope Moore can give us something.
We go ok in the wet but it also makes contested footy a bit more important, very glad Nths two premier mids are not playing.
We should win with one leg in the air,l
You still standing by that? They are one of the teams we seem to loose against regardless of ladder position and form. When was the last time we beat them? Just had a look, we have lost the last 5.
Harry out and Moore in...just makes it a little harder for us, lets hope Moore can give us something.
We go ok in the wet but it also makes contested footy a bit more important, very glad Nths two premier mids are not playing.
Damn! Well at least we didn't bring in Darcy Lang. Supposed to be wet up there so Harry out may not be as bad. This game is probably the most significant for the year. If we can't get over these spuds we have officially not improved.
Looks like the worst of the rain might be over...
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You still standing by that? They are one of the teams we seem to loose against regardless of ladder position and form. When was the last time we beat them? Just had a look, we have lost the last 5.
Still go with the win, maybe both legs on the ground now😉...honestly if we cant beat Nth easily with their outs there is something wrong. They have zero form and their midfield relying on one class act in Higgins and a few kids. Lose this and we dont deserve to be playing finals anytime soon...
Still go with the win, maybe both legs on the ground now😉...honestly if we cant beat Nth easily with their outs there is something wrong. They have zero form and their midfield relying on one class act in Higgins and a few kids. Lose this and we dont deserve to be playing finals anytime soon...
Agree, these games are lost btw the ears and we are fragile in that dept. I have no confidence for this one despite some good form we have shown.
Still go with the win, maybe both legs on the ground now😉...honestly if we cant beat Nth easily with their outs there is something wrong. They have zero form and their midfield relying on one class act in Higgins and a few kids. Lose this and we dont deserve to be playing finals anytime soon...
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McKay's omission isn't a surprise given the weather.