Casey Scorpions vs. Northern Blues
Saturday, August 02
Casey Fields at 2:00pm
Casey Scorpions
B: Kent Georgiou Panozza
HB: Strauss Davis Terlich
C: Blease Morris Nicholson
HF: Jones Fitzpatrick Salem
F: Best Smith Kennedy-Harris
R: Gawn Michie Riley
Int: Petropoulos Scott Hillard Page Harmes Godfrey Evans Paredes Gawley* Clisby Rutherford Barry
Symons
Northern Blues
B: Armfield Dirago Byrne
HB: Sheehan McInnes Walton
C: Holman Cripps Lucas
HF: Garlett Coulson Temay
F: Wilson Anthony M. Watson
R: Warnock Wilkinson Cattapan
Int: Dorman Reynolds Johnston Hunt* D. Watson Russell Bransgrove Bolger Totevski
To be honest, this does not look the strongest team we've fielded this year, particularly considering the poor form of Garlett. However, we are running out of fit Blues, so beggars have few choices.
Hopefully there can be some sign of the spirit and endeavour the senior Blues showed last night.
Casey Scorpions vs. Northern Blues
Saturday, August 02
Casey Fields at 11:00am
Casey Scorpions
B Corry Corrigan Godfrey
HB Welsh Rutherford Hillard
C Anderson Scott Barry
HF Symons Rennie Paredes
F Page Fisscher Rosier
R Waters Lang Petropoulos
Int Bundle Westrupp Winderlich
West Thomas (Jnr) Jackson
Murray Currie Pears
Saunders Davidson Collins
Del Papa
Northern Blues
B D. Watson M. Gleeson Grimes
HB Johnston Reynolds Posar
C Russell McCann Taglieri
HF T. Thomas Bolger Haynes
F M. Johnson Dufficy Dorman
R Kur Totevski J. Gleeson
Int Callaway Jenkins Curnow Dowse Tardio Perry Roberts Yelland Young
Blues 6.14.50, Casey 13.14.92
Fist quarter was good, but the rest was pretty ordinary, as were conditions.
Glad I didn't drive down: it is about as far as you be from Bendigo.
Casey Scorpions 4.2.26 10.4.64 12.9.81 13.14 92
Northern Blues 3.6. 24 3.9.27 4.11.35 6.14 50
First quarter wasn't bad at all, but from then on it was one way traffic the wrong way.
Disposals:
Armfield 28, Cripps 27, Cattapan 22, Lucas 20, Wilson 18
Cripps appears to be best, but he got hurt in the 3rd quarter and had a huge icepack on his quad from about half way through the last quarter. He did come back one in the last quarter and got 5 possessions, but he probably shouldn't have. If he can be fit, then he probably deserves a senior game. But I would think it unlikely he could be fit enough. Maybe against Geelong?
Armfield getting 28 possessions is also a very good sign, as he has been pretty ordinary for quite a while now.
From the twitter feed, it sounds like Watson was OK at FF, even though he was not a prolific goal kicker. He was sent back to FB around Half Time, but does not seem to have been particularly effective there.
Goals:
Walton 3, Totevski, Bransgrove, Warnock
2014 AFL Victoria Development League
Casey Scorpions 4.1 6.3 10.5 12.7 (79)
Northern Blues 1.1 2.4 4.10 9.14 (68)
GOALS:
Casey Scorpions: Rennie 5 Lang 2 Paredes 2 Jackson Fisscher Murray
Northern Blues: Johnson 3 Curnow 2 Johnston Haynes Sutton Watson
BEST:
Casey Scorpions: Rennie Paredes Symons Hillard Corrigan Jackson
Northern Blues: Jenkins Johnston Roberts Thomas Watson Tardio
Apart from Cripps and Arfield, seems like no one else really stood up.
2014 Peter Jackson VFL
Casey Scorpions 4.2 10.4 12.9 13.14 (92)
Northern Blues 3.6 3.9 4.11 6.14 (50)
GOALS:
Casey Scorpions: Fitzpatrick 3 Best 3 Gawn 3 Scott Salem Jones Page
Northern Blues: Walton 3 Bransgrove Warnock Totevski
BEST:
Casey Scorpions: Gawn Michie Strauss Barry Fitzpatrick Jones
Northern Blues: Armfield Wilson Wilkinson Cripps Sheehan Warnock
Sheehan appears to have been OK.
2014 Peter Jackson VFL
Casey Scorpions 4.2 10.4 12.9 13.14 (92)
Northern Blues 3.6 3.9 4.11 6.14 (50)
GOALS:
Casey Scorpions: Fitzpatrick 3 Best 3 Gawn 3 Scott Salem Jones Page
Northern Blues: Walton 3 Bransgrove Warnock Totevski
BEST:
Casey Scorpions: Gawn Michie Strauss Barry Fitzpatrick Jones
Northern Blues: Armfield Wilson Wilkinson Cripps Sheehan Warnock
Sheehan appears to have been OK.
I think Sheehan can be a AFL player...like to see him get a senior game before the season is out.
Solid build, neat kick and being mature I think he would benefit more by being played alongside better players which would further his learning quicker.
Cripps needs to be in the seniors next week in place of Brock who is gone IMO...
According to that report, in Armfield, Cripps and out Mclean, Ellard.
Johnson should get dropped before McLean, Bell was ordinary as well and Graham was barely passable.
Johnson went OK against a woeful St Kilda but his other three games have been well below the required standard, I'm all for giving kids a go but not if it means rewarding mediocrity.
If we drop McLean before any of those three we aren't fair dinkum.
Johnson should get dropped before McLean, Bell was ordinary as well and Graham was barely passable.
Johnson went OK against a woeful St Kilda but his other three games have been well below the required standard, I'm all for giving kids a go but not if it means rewarding mediocrity.
If we drop McLean before any of those three we aren't fair dinkum.
Reckon Brock is gone....came on fresh vs Freo and their blokes just ran away from him......agree Bell wasnt much good but i though Graham was promising.
I'd keep playing Johnson, no point going back to the tried and failed....
All their "best" were AFL listed players. Not sure what that means...
I thought Graham was good against Freo. Doesn't panic when he gets it in his hands, he just didn't get a lot of it. He's shown he can find the ball in the 2s, though. I think he's developing well, and that's exactly why he's been playing in the 1s.
I think Graham is one of the big positives from this year TBH.
Johnson should get dropped before McLean, Bell was ordinary as well and Graham was barely passable.
Johnson went OK against a woeful St Kilda but his other three games have been well below the required standard, I'm all for giving kids a go but not if it means rewarding mediocrity.
If we drop McLean before any of those three we aren't fair dinkum.
Reckon Brock is gone....came on fresh vs Freo and their blokes just ran away from him......agree Bell wasnt much good but i though Graham was promising.
I'd keep playing Johnson, no point going back to the tried and failed....
Johnson was terrible on Thursday night, we might as well have played one short, as it stands right now McLean is miles ahead of him.
There's no point playing kids for the sake of it then leaving them in the seniors when they're showing nothing, it breeds a loser mentality and gives the club an excuse for failure.
I heard enough of the young team excuses during Ratten's time.
I'd keep playing Johnson, no point going back to the tried and failed....
I like the kid. Just turned 19 but shows enough to suggest he'll be a very good player in the next couple of years. Showing more composure with each outing and being well managed by the coaching staff.
Johnson should get dropped before McLean, Bell was ordinary as well and Graham was barely passable.
Johnson went OK against a woeful St Kilda but his other three games have been well below the required standard, I'm all for giving kids a go but not if it means rewarding mediocrity.
If we drop McLean before any of those three we aren't fair dinkum.
Reckon Brock is gone....came on fresh vs Freo and their blokes just ran away from him......agree Bell wasnt much good but i though Graham was promising.
I'd keep playing Johnson, no point going back to the tried and failed....
Johnson was terrible on Thursday night, we might as well have played one short, as it stands right now McLean is miles ahead of him.
There's no point playing kids for the sake of it then leaving them in the seniors when they're showing nothing, it breeds a loser mentality and gives the club an excuse for failure.
I heard enough of the young team excuses during Ratten's time.
Mate let it go re Ratten, you'll be still on here blaming him in a decade. You were one of the biggest voices out there saying Ratten should be winning a premiership with the list and now you blame the poor list on him. The fact that you still take pot shots at him says it all.
You do understand the philosophy of playing and developing players don't you? If Mclean plays ahead of Bell or Graham, then we are definitely not fair dinkum about moving forward. It's not rocket science.
Brock may have footy smarts but his massive weakness is definitely lack of pace, especially when tring to get to a contested ball or chasing opposition ball carriers. He just gets left in their wake plodding along.
We definitely need a better option to him. Simply put, he is not the future.
Exactly even if he was worth his spot to some extent (which he isn't), time to move on. Same goes with Carrazzo who I thought was super on Thursday night, he needs to play like that every week to warrant a spot in the side IMO.
@Carrots
Carrazzo's main issue would be his fitness. If he could stay relatively injury-free then I'd be happy to see him play on next year while the younger guys develop a bit more.
I thought Graham was good against Freo. Doesn't panic when he gets it in his hands, he just didn't get a lot of it.
Based on watching the television, it seemed that Graham was making reasonable position at times, especially for those non contested possessions, but seemed to be ignored. Generally happens to young players who are establishing themselves in a team. Team mates tend to look for alternatives early days.
Jeffy G did a bit early but from then on was the invisible man. Warnock poor, Army busy but had a hobble up after the siren, Cripps a massive ice pack but did come back on. Lucas got a bit of it but didn't greatly impress me.
In terms of possible ins Armfield and maybe Cripps would be it as far as I'm concerned, unless Lucas was given another chance on so-so form or Garlett picked against form.
According to the AFL website, Gawn and Fitzpatrick had over 80 taps between them. That suggests Warnock couldn't have got many, although it was very much a day for stoppages. I find that disappointing because Warnock really did step up last week.
Then again, maybe he read the article about him? That would not give any9one much confidence, especially when a career appears to be on the line.
Holman, Temay and Garlett continue to disappoint. Holman appears to have really gone off the boil. In fact, it looks like the Irish guys are closer to senior games.
According to the AFL website, Gawn and Fitzpatrick had over 80 taps between them. That suggests Warnock couldn't have got many, although it was very much a day for stoppages. I find that disappointing because Warnock really did step up last week.
I suspect every game that Wood takes two or more contested marks results in Warnock peering deeper into oblivion!
206cm Warnock has an uncomfortable choice, get with the "Contest some marks" program or get packing!
Johnson should get dropped before McLean, Bell was ordinary as well and Graham was barely passable.
Johnson went OK against a woeful St Kilda but his other three games have been well below the required standard, I'm all for giving kids a go but not if it means rewarding mediocrity.
If we drop McLean before any of those three we aren't fair dinkum.
Reckon Brock is gone....came on fresh vs Freo and their blokes just ran away from him......agree Bell wasnt much good but i though Graham was promising.
I'd keep playing Johnson, no point going back to the tried and failed....
Johnson was terrible on Thursday night, we might as well have played one short, as it stands right now McLean is miles ahead of him.
There's no point playing kids for the sake of it then leaving them in the seniors when they're showing nothing, it breeds a loser mentality and gives the club an excuse for failure.
I heard enough of the young team excuses during Ratten's time.
Mate let it go re Ratten, you'll be still on here blaming him in a decade. You were one of the biggest voices out there saying Ratten should be winning a premiership with the list and now you blame the poor list on him. The fact that you still take pot shots at him says it all.
You do understand the philosophy of playing and developing players don't you? If Mclean plays ahead of Bell or Graham, then we are definitely not fair dinkum about moving forward. It's not rocket science.
I hope to god that Johnson, Graham and others do start to step up because think of the future if they don't. What do we do if the Graham's and Johnson's of this world prove to be a bust? This on top of the wash out of taller draftee's makes for a pretty dire future.
As an extension of this; ask yourself what would have happened if back in 2002 Simpson hadn't come on? It was a pretty bare cupboard and this crop (last 2-3 years) is going the same way. Aside from Menzel I don't see any real stars coming through from that group.
I hope to god that Johnson, Graham and others do start to step up because think of the future if they don't. What do we do if the Graham's and Johnson's of this world prove to be a bust? This on top of the wash out of taller draftee's makes for a pretty dire future.
As an extension of this; ask yourself what would have happened if back in 2002 Simpson hadn't come on? It was a pretty bare cupboard and this crop (last 2-3 years) is going the same way. Aside from Menzel I don't see any real stars coming through from that group.
I think Bell and Buckley will make the grade and I saw Cripps play in the VFL earlier in the year and he looked a cut above that standard.
Not sure about Graham, he sort of looks OK but doesn't seem to have any weapons, he could be the sort of player who comes and goes in three of four seasons and plays 20 or 30 games.
I'm not taken by Johnson at all so far, hopefully he can improve.
I hope to god that Johnson, Graham and others do start to step up because think of the future if they don't. What do we do if the Graham's and Johnson's of this world prove to be a bust? This on top of the wash out of taller draftee's makes for a pretty dire future.
As an extension of this; ask yourself what would have happened if back in 2002 Simpson hadn't come on? It was a pretty bare cupboard and this crop (last 2-3 years) is going the same way. Aside from Menzel I don't see any real stars coming through from that group.
I think Bell and Buckley will make the grade and I saw Cripps play in the VFL earlier in the year and he looked a cut above that standard.
Not sure about Graham, he sort of looks OK but doesn't seem to have any weapons, he could be the sort of player who comes and goes in three of four seasons and plays 20 or 30 games.
I'm not taken by Johnson at all so far, hopefully he can improve.
I think Graham will be around longer than Bell or Johnson. Bell has more negatives to his game than positives. He can run and throw his body around but he doesn't find enough of it and then turns it over when he does get it by completely missing a target or getting run down from behind. He showed so much promise in his first few games but now he's useless.
I like Graham, Cripps and Cachia (I would rather Cachia in than Curnow TBH). Not convinced by Bell or Johnson, and I hope to Christ Lucas and Temay are gone at the end of the year.
I hope to god that Johnson, Graham and others do start to step up because think of the future if they don't. Wh
I would rather Cachia in than Curnow.
Curnow has had a great season and we really struggled when he was injured. Almost the best 'shut down' going around.
Graham is an enigma. Best case scenario see's him become a Sam Mitchell type which I believe lies beneath. Worst case he slips back to the NB's and fades into obscurity.
Bell is an enormous talent that must be persevered with. Remember Kouta played 50 games in the reserves before making his way in the seniors. Imagine what Bell (who has amassed half that total in the seniors) could achieve when he passes 50 games.
Johnson just turned 19 and is a fierce competitor who has grown with every outing. I'm impressed.
Cripps is the cream of the crop who will no doubt set the bench mark when he hits his straps.
I like Graham, Cripps and Cachia (I would rather Cachia in than Curnow TBH). Not convinced by Bell or Johnson, and I hope to Christ Lucas and Temay are gone at the end of the year.
If we were brutally honest we're not yet sure that any of them will make it, Cripps and Buckley look the most likely but you never really know until they've got 50 games or so against their name.
I've seen enough young blokes show promise then disappear over the years to hold onto my horses.
Let's hope at least two of them make the cut otherwise we'll be in trouble.
Bell was a mature aged recruit. Time ain't on his side.
Bell was a mature aged recruit. Time ain't on his side.
He's 23 FFS.
Podsiadly was 28!!
I hope to god that Johnson, Graham and others do start to step up because think of the future if they don't. Wh
I would rather Cachia in than Curnow.
Curnow has had a great season and we really struggled when he was injured. Almost the best 'shut down' going around.
Curnow's disposal is one of the worst in the team and he gets found out when his opponent takes him forward. Cachia is a good tagger as well but his disposal is better, and when we need to release the tag and play attacking footy, I reckon Cachia is a better option. I also think Curnow may have some trade value so we should see what sort of offers we can get as we have a good replacement for him.
I would rather Cachia in than Curnow.
Curnow has had a great season and we really struggled when he was injured. Almost the best 'shut down' going around.
Curnow's disposal is one of the worst in the team and he gets found out when his opponent takes him forward. Cachia is a good tagger as well but his disposal is better, and when we need to release the tag and play attacking footy, I reckon Cachia is a better option. I also think Curnow may have some trade value so we should see what sort of offers we can get as we have a good replacement for him.
Curnow is in a different league to Cachia in terms of endurance, and Curnow is not too bad as a set shot. If Curnow pushed forward harder he might find himself on the end of some good plays, but he tends to go the hard tag and not much else. Cachia is better inside, but slower outside and just doesn't have the tank that Curnow has. I can't see Cachia working his way into the team on a regular basis, he is stuck being Mr Average in almost all areas, he needs a major new trick!
I think Curnow's disposal is not that bad. Kicked a few goals on the run last year. It's overstated how bad it is.
I think Curnow's disposal is not that bad. Kicked a few goals on the run last year. It's overstated how bad it is.
I agree, I think inexperience makes him look worse because of bad choices. This is contrast by that chip kick from Graham a couple of weeks back against Norp which was a great decision that made a slow chip kick look like genius.
As Curnow begins to make better decisions his kicking will look better, now if we can only get Robbo and 1AW to understand the same and stop bombing the ball forward!
I think Sheehan can be a AFL player...like to see him get a senior game before the season is out.
Solid build, neat kick and being mature I think he would benefit more by being played alongside better players which would further his learning quicker.
Cripps needs to be in the seniors next week in place of Brock who is gone IMO...
Looks like you get your wish:
Malthouse also announced on Wednesday that Irish international rookie Ciaran Sheehan would make his debut for the Blues against Gold Coast this Saturday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-06/blue-pays-for-night-out
I think Sheehan can be a AFL player...like to see him get a senior game before the season is out.
Solid build, neat kick and being mature I think he would benefit more by being played alongside better players which would further his learning quicker.
Cripps needs to be in the seniors next week in place of Brock who is gone IMO...
Looks like you get your wish:
Malthouse also announced on Wednesday that Irish international rookie Ciaran Sheehan would make his debut for the Blues against Gold Coast this Saturday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-06/blue-pays-for-night-out
Good to see Sheehan getting a game and Mick sorting through the players...Jeff Garlett needs a spell to get his mind right....I am almost of the opinion if he had personal issues he should
have been given a extended leave of absence to sort them out rather than just going through the motions of playing each week as it has been no good for him or the club...
I think Curnow's disposal is not that bad. Kicked a few goals on the run last year. It's overstated how bad it is.
He also kicked two out on the full in the space of a minute in last year's elimination final.
I think Curnow's disposal is not that bad. Kicked a few goals on the run last year. It's overstated how bad it is.
He also kicked two out on the full in the space of a minute in last year's elimination final.
He also laid 10 tackles 4 or 5 more than anyone else on the ground! ;)
I think Curnow's disposal is not that bad. Kicked a few goals on the run last year. It's overstated how bad it is.
He also kicked two out on the full in the space of a minute in last year's elimination final.
He also laid 10 tackles 4 or 5 more than anyone else on the ground! ;)
...and his man had 26 touches and kicked 2 goals. ;)
I never said anything against his work rate or attack at the contest anyway. I just don't see much room for improvement and want to trade him out while he has a little bit of currency and we have a pretty good replacement. We have Carrazzo, Curnow, Cachia, Everitt and Armfield who all tag. At least 2 have to go IMO. Possibly 3.
...and his man had 26 touches and kicked 2 goals. ;)
I never said anything against his work rate or attack at the contest anyway. I just don't see much room for improvement and want to trade him out while he has a little bit of currency and we have a pretty good replacement. We have Carrazzo, Curnow, Cachia, Everitt and Armfield who all tag. At least 2 have to go IMO. Possibly 3.
Sheez, Everitt and Armfield talk about clutching at straws! Everitt has all three covered and none of them would be able to catch Amrfield to even make a contest!
Carrazzo is 31 soon, like it or not it's over for him sooner rather than later, and right now he's got more lower leg injuries that a lame racehorse.
Cachia is slow, much slower than Curnow and doesn't have Curnow's tank. So even if he breaks even in other areas he just has no natural advantage. He is going to be at best a backup to the first options. If Cripps comes on, even Curnow may be a backup!
...and his man had 26 touches and kicked 2 goals. ;)
I never said anything against his work rate or attack at the contest anyway. I just don't see much room for improvement and want to trade him out while he has a little bit of currency and we have a pretty good replacement. We have Carrazzo, Curnow, Cachia, Everitt and Armfield who all tag. At least 2 have to go IMO. Possibly 3.
Sheez, Everitt and Armfield talk about clutching at straws! Everitt has all three covered and none of them would be able to catch Amrfield to even make a contest!
Carrazzo is 31 soon, like it or not it's over for him sooner rather than later, and right now he's got more lower leg injuries that a lame racehorse.
Cachia is slow, much slower than Curnow and doesn't have Curnow's tank. So even if he breaks even in other areas he just has no natural advantage. He is going to be at best a backup to the first options. If Cripps comes on, even Curnow may be a backup!
Clutching at straws? When has Armfield come into the seniors this year and played an offensive role? We're just treading water if we keep players like Curnow and Armfield around.
Clutching at straws? When has Armfield come into the seniors this year and played an offensive role? We're just treading water if we keep players like Curnow and Armfield around.
Can't see your reasoning, Cachia just isn't in the same league as the others you list.
Curnow tore Ablett (Jnr) a new one in an away game, only one of three players who have stitched Ablett up. The only time Cachia would have come close to doing this would be if he managed to get the team bus to drive over Ablett in the car park! ;)
Both Armfield and Curnow have runs on the board, 170 games, 2 goals or more on a dozen occasions, 5 tackles or more on dozens of occasions. So when fit and firing they get jobs done.
So as I see it, you arguemnt is to keep a very average 14 game player over blokes who have played 60 to 100 games and who have performed better! Perhaps if McLean get the chop Cachia might be an option as a depth player, but even then he is miles away from being close to the equivalent of McLean!
Mentioning Everitt in this debate is just ludicrous.
I'd suggest Cachia is on very thin ice and if blokes like Judd, Carrazzo and McLean are still around next season Cachia might well not be there!
Why did the club keep Cachia and McInnes on the list for them to just play 2's footy all year?
That's another 2 list places taken up right there... no wonder we struggled to win 6 games this year, we have barely had more than 26-28 to pick from all year.
I think Curnow's disposal is not that bad. Kicked a few goals on the run last year. It's overstated how bad it is.
He also kicked two out on the full in the space of a minute in last year's elimination final.
He also laid 10 tackles 4 or 5 more than anyone else on the ground! ;)
Laid or made properly...we lay tackles but have trouble making them stick...watched Fyfe break about three in a row.
I dont count half made ones either where the player is stopped but gets the ball away to another teammate...
A tackle that does not stop the opponent laying the ball off is ineffective, regardless of whether it was laid or not.
A tackle that does not stop the opponent laying the ball off is ineffective, regardless of whether it was laid or not.
Can those even be called a tackle? Not in my book anyway.
A tackle that does not stop the opponent laying the ball off is ineffective, regardless of whether it was laid or not.
Can those even be called a tackle? Not in my book anyway.
It is not the players fault if, when tackled the umpires just let the player drop the ball, or when tackled and trapped with the ball the umpires say it was pinned and ball it up! One is incorrect disposal the other is a perfect tackle and a caught holding the ball!
It's a fecking joke!
A tackle that does not stop the opponent laying the ball off is ineffective, regardless of whether it was laid or not.
Can those even be called a tackle? Not in my book anyway.
It is not the players fault if, when tackled the umpires just let the player drop the ball, or when tackled and trapped with the ball the umpires say it was pinned and ball it up! One is incorrect disposal the other is a perfect tackle and a caught holding the ball!
It's a fecking joke!
Agree with you about those LP, but I had in mind those where the would be tackler grabs the ball carrier but fails to stop him disposing of it legally or lets him shrug/wriggle free.
Agree with you about those LP, but I had in mind those where the would be tackler grabs the ball carrier but fails to stop him disposing of it legally or lets him shrug/wriggle free.
I understand Cookie, but I'd argue it is the umpires allowing the endless wriggling/wrestling free that contributes to all instances.
Let say a kid attempts to lay 10 tackles, we should applaud him. But under the current system, the guy being tackled would either be allowed to drop it (Then potentially the tackler gets pinged for holding on too long), or the ball gets trapped and it is a ball up, or the player eventually(after some seconds) wriggles free and the kid doing the tackling gets keel-hauled for not hanging on while he is pummeled by ball carriers team-mates. Maybe he gets rewarded for tackling in 2 or 3 out of 10 at best, and the escapes are highlighted!
It's so frustrating to me, it must be frustrating to many football fans.
Clutching at straws? When has Armfield come into the seniors this year and played an offensive role? We're just treading water if we keep players like Curnow and Armfield around.
Can't see your reasoning, Cachia just isn't in the same league as the others you list.
Curnow tore Ablett (Jnr) a new one in an away game, only one of three players who have stitched Ablett up. The only time Cachia would have come close to doing this would be if he managed to get the team bus to drive over Ablett in the car park! ;)
Both Armfield and Curnow have runs on the board, 170 games, 2 goals or more on a dozen occasions, 5 tackles or more on dozens of occasions. So when fit and firing they get jobs done.
So as I see it, you arguemnt is to keep a very average 14 game player over blokes who have played 60 to 100 games and who have performed better! Perhaps if McLean get the chop Cachia might be an option as a depth player, but even then he is miles away from being close to the equivalent of McLean!
Mentioning Everitt in this debate is just ludicrous.
I'd suggest Cachia is on very thin ice and if blokes like Judd, Carrazzo and McLean are still around next season Cachia might well not be there!
It's not an argument. It's an opinion. I like what Cachia has shown in the 2s and his 14 games in the seniors, and we need some players to have value on the trade table, which is why I want to see what Curnow can get us in return. If it's nothing reasonable then we keep him.
Watching that 1987 carl vs nth melb replay, one of the great things i noticed was the holding the ball decision and how quick and decisive the decisions were.
no fluffing around. you dived on it you got pinged straight away.
you didnt dispose of the ball straight away or cleanly you were pinged.
it got knocked out in the tackle, bad luck, you got penalised.
The game was far less congested and cleaner.
I think in the obsession of having the ball moving continuously, weve lost alot of the spectacle.
Besides, I honestly dont understand the obsession with the game being constantly played at break neck speed.
Does making the ball movement frantic make the viewing better?
Cachia is a footballer, and a large bodied mid, first and athlete second. I suggest we persist with him, as he has shown some worthy attributes, and has done some very good jobs on guys that Curnow struggles to matchup with due to size (Watson).
After14 pretty solid games last year, why has Cachia rotted in the twos all year... I fail to see why he can't do at least what Maclean does (or doesn't). It isn't like Maclean has had a scintillating year.
MacInnes is another. Whole season in the 2's with no apparent chance of elevation, must have done wonders for his confidence.