I just wanted to make a pre-emptive prediction on how predictably bad this club has become...
We are due to play Adelaide before the season ends. This is guaranteed to be another level of shyte that this club will dish up to it's supporters by not only losing, but losing handsomely.
Only the Carlton Football Club can find new ways to embarass their supporters in even greater ways year in year out. It's like, you think that was bad? "Hold my beer..."
Mark this event down in your calendar...
Yep. Almost guaranteed.
Bullsht post.
We're now moving into preemptive whinging?
I'm getting sick of Deleted supporters. Stop being such a sad Deleted. We might lose or we might win by 100.
Its not whinging. We all hope its not the case but deep down can see it happening.
That is 100% sooking it up defeatist crap mate.
Bullsht post.
We're now moving into preemptive whinging?
I'm getting sick of wh!ning b!tch supporters. Stop being such a sad sooking w@nker. We might lose or we might win by 100.
Dude, ask yourself whether you've been happy with the performances dished up not only this year, but the last 6 or so years. If you have, more power to you. I personally haven't and just wanted to highlight well in advance of what I expect to happen.
Deleted.
You don't have to agree with me and that's fine. You can poo poo me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's much chance of that happening given the history of the club the past 2 decades.
Time to crack another tinny Spanner.
Time to crack another tinny Spanner.
I don't drink... Seriously.
I don't drink... Seriously.
Maybe you should ? In moderation though...
😄
Dude, ask yourself whether you've been happy with the performances dished up not only this year, but the last 6 or so years. If you have, more power to you. I personally haven't and just wanted to highlight well in advance of what I expect to happen.
Why do you blue sunnies wearing Fan Bois get so offended when someone points out the glaring obvious. It's like you believe if you stick your head in the sand long enough the problem will go away.
You don't have to agree with me and that's fine. You can poo poo me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's much chance of that happening given the history of the club the past 2 decades.
Fan boi? I'm anything but. I kick the crap out of the club all the time.
You've had a gut full of losing? I don't care. Stop whining like a 2 year old and man up.
That is 100% sooking it up defeatist crap mate.
The sad part is, this is what the club has conditioned us to over the years.
Wouldnt surprise me if it was an unwritten part of the Eddie Betts deal where we gift Adelaide a win.
Fan boi? I'm anything but. I kick the crap out of the club all the time.
You've had a gut full of losing? I don't care. Stop whining like a 2 year old and man up.
We are the new St Kilda. I've come to terms with it and aren't surprised by any of the myriad of ways we find to lose a game of football. We are classic St Kilda of the 70s and 80s.
The game can be totally on our terms and within 10 minutes manage to crap the bed and let the opposition do as they please. You would think the likes of Cripps, Murphy, Simpson and Docherty would have had a gutful of losing but the same things happen week after week, month after month, year after year. Hell, we now have the proud distinction of having the most losingest (is that a word) player in the history of the game, let that sink in...
We're the club that never learns. That's why the Adelaide game is as near certainty as you can get. It'll be a Carlton being Carlton game.
Papers have been long stamped for both sides in regard to players short to be discarded and careers over, will not be wearing the club colours ever again.
Both teams will just want to go home. The result is largely irrelevant more for ADL than it is for us. They're a beaten rabble, we aren't ... not by a long shot.
We won't lose this one.
We are the new St Kilda. I've come to terms with it and aren't surprised by any of the myriad of ways we find to lose a game of football. We are classic St Kilda of the 70s and 80s.
The game can be totally on our terms and within 10 minutes manage to crap the bed and let the opposition do as they please. You would think the likes of Cripps, Murphy, Simpson and Docherty would have had a gutful of losing but the same things happen week after week, month after month, year after year. Hell, we now have the proud distinction of having the most losingest (is that a word) player in the history of the game, let that sink in...
We're the club that never learns. That's why the Adelaide game is as near certainty as you can get. It'll be a Carlton being Carlton game.
I'll hand you this much, you've changed your MO at least and posted before a game. Tell me, why don't you post after a win?
Tell me, why don't you post after a win?
You say that like it happens frequently. I think it's more so the sheer shock of actually achieving a win that it takes me a few days to digest and believe that it actually happened.
The wins we have had over the past few years are more fluke than by design so therefore you end up having a sense of relief rather than jubilation. Outside of the Bulldogs game, in what others has the team looked really proficient at what they do and truly believe they can win?
The fact the we've lost 22 out of a possible 25 against the Hawks highlights that this team never learns. Even after so much upheaval in the playing list and coaching staff we're still their bunnies. It's screwing embarrassing to be honest. I can't remember such a lopsided win\loss ratio in the history of the game outside of us against St Kilda. But Carlton being Carlton, they're are trying to level out the win loss between us and St Kilda as well.
Well done Carlton, well done! You make me so proud...
You say that like it happens frequently. I think it's more so the sheer shock of actually achieving a win that it takes me a few days to digest and believe that it actually happened.
The wins we have had over the past few years are more fluke than by design so therefore you end up having a sense of relief rather than jubilation. Outside of the Bulldogs game, in what others has the team looked really proficient at what they do and truly believe they can win?
The fact the we've lost 22 out of a possible 25 against the Hawks highlights that this team never learns. Even after so much upheaval in the playing list and coaching staff we're still their bunnies. It's screwing embarrassing to be honest. I can't remember such a lopsided win\loss ratio in the history of the game outside of us against St Kilda. But Carlton being Carlton, they're are trying to level out the win loss between us and St Kilda as well.
Well done Carlton, well done! You make me so proud...
I mentioned nothing about win frequency, just asked why you dont post after a win which you didn't answer, but thanks for the reply anyway.
I mentioned nothing about win frequency, just asked why you dont post after a win which you didn't answer, but thanks for the reply anyway.
Oh, I wasn't aware that I needed to balance out my posting on wins and losses threads. I'll keep that in mind for future reference. Although to be fair, it'll be pretty hard to keep the ratio consistent because of the sheer number of losses compared to wins.
How do you propose I do that. Any tips?
Come on guys, we are all Carlton people and hurting over this Mickey Mouse season is pretty pointless.
On this issue of playing the Crows, in my opinion they are not as bad as people make out, they are just not interested in the Mickey Mouse season so they are using it for longer term gains.
But do not be surprised that someone like McGovern moving to us, Gibbs playing his last AFL game, our rumoured interest in Crouch, offers the Crow's players just enough motivation to play four quarters.
Will their coach scupper those efforts though by doing a Bolton and loading up with kids he wants a look at?
Hawks aside it hasnt been a major disaster season like we saw during the BB era, we are a couple of decent A grade players short of being able to do some consistent damage to the better teams but there is light at the end of the tunnel and as I have said many times before you only need that one trade period where you pick up the missing pieces ie like Richmond did and you are a contender.
Sometimes I wonder if Spanner is the devils advocate, the devil himself or just taking the piss. But for that kick after the siren against Port?
I just wanted to make a pre-emptive prediction on how predictably bad this club has become...
We are due to play Adelaide before the season ends. This is guaranteed to be another level of shyte that this club will dish up to it's supporters by not only losing, but losing handsomely.
Only the Carlton Football Club can find new ways to embarass their supporters in even greater ways year in year out. It's like, you think that was bad? "Hold my beer..."
Mark this event down in your calendar...
Seriously, who is this wank?
Seriously, who is this wank?
Says the flog to end all flogs. Seriously "laj", do you have a stance on anything or do you just randomly flitter between threads and pipe in with meaningless dribble without offering anything of value?
You're like the proverbial coulda woulda shoulda guy. Stop being a d*ck!
If we are St Kilda of the 70s and 80s I need to get to the social club urgently
If we are St Kilda of the 70s and 80s I need to get to the social club urgently
Straight from The Animal Enclosure down to that infamous Sandringham night spot!
Does anybody remember the name?
Straight from The Animal Enclosure down to that infamous Sandringham night spot!
Does anybody remember the name?
I'll have to ask the Mrs, she used to go there and be hit on by a few players. This was before we met, I put a stop to those antics. lol
I'll have to ask the Mrs, she used to go there and be hit on by a few players. This was before we met, I put a stop to those antics. lol
I think it was owned in the end by Trevor Barker and a few mates, maybe Michael Roberts?
The Commodore?
The Commodore?
I think it was a smaller venue bolted onto one of the bigger places, I think it was in Tulip Street or Cheltenham Road, I recall the Aints using a nearby gym.
For years pre-80s the Southside Six was the venue for the older Aints players.
Stuffed if I can remember the name!
I think it was owned in the end by Trevor Barker and a few mates, maybe Michael Roberts?
I couldn't get her to divulge anymore than she never got much further than the social club.
Nervous? :D
That is 100% sooking it up defeatist crap mate.
Spot-on.
Bring back Massive. At least he liked a drink
Bring back Massive. At least he liked a drink
He proved to be a bit of a prophet.... back in the day. ;) :D
When he saw a target he didn't deviate
(But gee he gave the mods a few headaches.) ::) ;D
He proved to be a bit of a prophet.... back in the day. ;) :D
When he saw a target he didn't deviate
(But gee he gave the mods a few headaches.) ::) ;D
Don't give him a big head.
Plenty of big names came in the club in a variety of roles, many successful before and after they left.
Swann for one seems to be doing good things in Brisbane.
Starting to think Jesus Christ wouldn't have been successful given what we know now.
Don't give him a big head.
Plenty of big names came in the club in a variety of roles, many successful before and after they left.
Swann for one seems to be doing good things in Brisbane.
Starting to think Jesus Christ wouldn't have been successful given what we know now.
Are you implying that Swann did not do well for us?
I reckon he was one of the better blokes we had running the joint over the past couple decades.
Are you implying that Swann did not do well for us?
I reckon he was one of the better blokes we had running the joint over the past couple decades.
Got moved on didn’t he?
Got moved on didn’t he?
So did Brett Ratten.
Are you suggesting the powers that be are infallible? ::)
So did Brett Ratten.
Are you suggesting the powers that be are infallible? ::)
I think you are proving my point.
Nervous?
Nervous?
Yes, I’m worried that Gibbs will play a blinder and sink us with a goal after the siren 🙂
They've had 2 outstanding wins so the opposition is likely alot more formidable now. They've proved over the years they have ability, just haven't been showing it.
They've had 2 outstanding wins so the opposition is likely alot more formidable now. They've proved over the years they have ability, just haven't been showing it.
Blues by 5 goals slowing down at the winning post and waving to the crowd....😎
McGovern might actually kick a couple given Talia is out, the backline is also missing Doedee and its junk time of the year for the Crows.Wonder if we might even let Gibbs kick a cheapie just to see him off in familiar style..😉
Blues by 5 goals slowing down at the winning post and waving to the crowd....😎
McGovern might actually kick a couple given Talia is out, the backline is also missing Doedee and its junk time of the year for the Crows.Wonder if we might even let Gibbs kick a cheapie just to see him off in familiar style..😉
Mate everytime you say this, the opposite happens ;D ;D
Mate everytime you say this, the opposite happens ;D ;D
I'm due...🤞
Everyone should really think about apologising. Its half time, and we don't look likely. In fact our worst showing of the year. I can think of one passage of play that was good and even if we win from here this first half summarises why we expect disappointment sooner or later.
I just wanted to make a pre-emptive prediction on how predictably bad this club has become...
We are due to play Adelaide before the season ends. This is guaranteed to be another level of shyte that this club will dish up to it's supporters by not only losing, but losing handsomely.
Only the Carlton Football Club can find new ways to embarass their supporters in even greater ways year in year out. It's like, you think that was bad? "Hold my beer..."
Mark this event down in your calendar...
Credit where its due.
It was only in doubt for about 5 mins there.
I hope you're happy.
What a bad day I chose to not quit drinking.
This was never in doubt.
You guys make it out like I'm wishing failure on the club. Nothing could be further from the truth. I want success more than anyone here.
But F me, the list is absolute shyte. There is nothing special about all but 2 players on our list.
De Koning and Walsh are the only 2 that I feel are untradable. The rest can go and get f'd.
SPS - Joke! Pick 6
Murphy - been a hack for a decade. Pick 1
McKay - Can't kick and sh!+s himself in front of goal. How the F can you be selected as a full forward and be so sh!+house in front of goal. Pick 10
Dow - F'n LOL. Pick 3
Jones - Plays one good game in 5
Plowman - See Jones. Turn over merchant
Polson - has the ball ever left his foot and hit the target?
Casboult - While he's a likeable guy and he definitely tries his guts out. Which other club would allow a player to stay on their list for a decade and still have the same short comings? This is not how to win premierships.
Stephen Silvagni - List builder extraordinaire. What a F up this looks like being. My God. Some of his high selections have been mind boggling. The Stocker trade may still work out, but wreaked of a "look at me and my fancy a55 trading skills", rather than something constructive for the club.
I could go on, but what's the point.
All you guys defending the indefensible like Murphy and other cohorts, are part of the problem. You look at stats to build your argument instead if watching the game and seeing, in most cases, the detrimental impact these players have to the team.
So many times during the course of this year it's the same guys making the same mistakes week after week, time after time. Then they have a half decent game and everyone jumps on my back to highlight the one good thing they did and totally ignoring the myriad of turnovers and soft efforts by the same players.
Mind boggling. But hey, "laj" and co certainly must be footy officionados right? right?... F'n LOL!
"laj" is the equivalent of Murphy, but instead of the lack of football prowess, he's a posting hack...
By the way, where is "laj"?... LOL :D
Let's keep away from the personal stuff guys.
I could go on, but what's the point.
Agree.
Agree.
Hmmm, nothing to add? So unusual for you. Surely you can deliver some derogatory comment and some dismissive argument to totally disarm me with your legendary wit and wisdom and show all and sundry how wrong I've been all along. Your legendary contributions trump anything others have and above all, the club and it's players are above criticism.
I mean who are we as supporters to question anything the club does and any players for their contribution.
Please enlighten us all how your best bud Murphy lit it up today. Please, I need more of your visionary contributions and derogatory counter arguments to anything that doesn't fit into the Kruddler sphere of consciousness.
Dude, you're the enlightened one on this site! Surely you have more to add than that... You've hitched you wagon to Murphy, keep going, keep digging. If you keep digging you'll eventually hit that polished turd and you can laud it over everyone here and rub my nose in it. Similar to Murphy, if he keeps kicking, he'll eventually hit a target...
Now to be truly schooled, we need to hear from "laj".
"laj", "laj" where for art thou "laj".
This was never in doubt.
You guys make it out like I'm wishing failure on the club. Nothing could be further from the truth. I want success more than anyone here.
But F me, the list is absolute shyte. There is nothing special about all but 2 players on our list.
De Koning and Walsh are the only 2 that I feel are untradable. The rest can go and get f'd.
SPS - Joke! Pick 6
Murphy - been a hack for a decade. Pick 1
McKay - Can't kick and sh!+s himself in front of goal. How the F can you be selected as a full forward and be so sh!+house in front of goal. Pick 10
Dow - F'n LOL. Pick 3
Jones - Plays one good game in 5
Plowman - See Jones. Turn over merchant
Polson - has the ball ever left his foot and hit the target?
Casboult - While he's a likeable guy and he definitely tries his guts out. Which other club would allow a player to stay on their list for a decade and still have the same short comings? This is not how to win premierships.
Stephen Silvagni - List builder extraordinaire. What a F up this looks like being. My God. Some of his high selections have been mind boggling. The Stocker trade may still work out, but wreaked of a "look at me and my fancy a55 trading skills", rather than something constructive for the club.
I could go on, but what's the point.
All you guys defending the indefensible like Murphy and other cohorts, are part of the problem. You look at stats to build your argument instead if watching the game and seeing, in most cases, the detrimental impact these players have to the team.
So many times during the course of this year it's the same guys making the same mistakes week after week, time after time. Then they have a half decent game and everyone jumps on my back to highlight the one good thing they did and totally ignoring the myriad of turnovers and soft efforts by the same players.
Mind boggling. But hey, "laj" and co certainly must be footy officionados right? right?... F'n LOL!
"laj" is the equivalent of Murphy, but instead of the lack of football prowess, he's a posting hack...
Hey, by they way, how did the elite ball user and your best buddy Murphy go today? Killed it I hear... LOL!
Killed it I hear ...... LOL! Not a bad review for a bloke who clearly didn't watch the game.
Always a chance this could happen with the midfield that the Crows have.
A real Peacock look at me type thread this. Any chance the Admin have developed a "ignore" feature? All dribble the above
Killed it I hear ...... LOL! Not a bad review for a bloke who clearly didn't watch the game.
Always a chance this could happen with the midfield that the Crows have.
A real Peacock look at me type thread this. Any chance the Admin have developed a "ignore" feature? All dribble the above
To be fair the Crows midfield isnt the best going around...Sloane is at the end of his career and everyone on this site
apart from a few have dissed the Crouch bros as cheap kick artists who dont impact...I like them but they are no Bont or Tim Kelly.
Laird is a AA backpocket who they have to play through the midfield to wallpaper some cracks..
Scholl, Schoenberg are newbie kids with zero profile and Obrien is probably their best midfield performer...
Its B grade at best IMO....our midfield lacks class, are poor kicks and is over rated IMO.
Hmmm, nothing to add? So unusual for you. Surely you can deliver some derogatory comment and some dismissive argument to totally disarm me with your legendary wit and wisdom and show all and sundry how wrong I've been all along. Your legendary contributions trump anything others have and above all, the club and it's players are above criticism.
I mean who are we as supporters to question anything the club does and any players for their contribution.
Please enlighten us all how your best bud Murphy lit it up today. Please, I need more of your visionary contributions and derogatory counter arguments to anything that doesn't fit into the Kruddler sphere of consciousness.
Dude, you're the enlightened one on this site! Surely you have more to add than that... You've hitched you wagon to Murphy, keep going, keep digging. If you keep digging you'll eventually hit that polished turd and you can laud it over everyone here and rub my nose in it. Similar to Murphy, if he keeps kicking, he'll eventually hit a target...
Swing and a miss.
Strike 1.
To be fair the Crows midfield isnt the best going around...Sloane is at the end of his career and everyone on this site
apart from a few have dissed the Crouch bros as cheap kick artists who dont impact...I like them but they are no Bont or Tim Kelly.
Laird is a AA backpocket who they have to play through the midfield to wallpaper some cracks..
Scholl, Schoenberg are newbie kids with zero profile and Obrien is probably their best midfield performer...
Its B grade at best IMO..
Pick a starting midfield of 6 players from both sides.
Cripps, B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Laird, Sloane and Walsh?
Other than Cripps all our blokes are developing and have too much of a gap between good and poor. Plus O'Brien. Playing tomorrow I would take their midfield over ours.
Killed it I hear ...... LOL! Not a bad review for a bloke who clearly didn't watch the game.
Now be honest, who didn't watch the game Shakin. Obviously the all seeing eye Shakin77 missed some classic Murphy turnovers topped off by the glorious momentum killer in the middle where he truly highlighted his foot skills. Were you in the toilet at the time maybe?
I mean, why kick to one of the 3 free Carlton players when you can pick out the sole Adelaide player for goal to Adelaide. It was a piece of skill any marquee player would proud of, but hey, why highlight the negetives of Murphy's game right Shakin? :D
Swing and a miss.
Strike 1.
Just as I thought
Pick a starting midfield of 6 players from both sides.
Cripps, B.Crouch, M.Crouch, Laird, Sloane and Walsh?
Other than Cripps all our blokes are developing and have too much of a gap between good and poor. Plus O'Brien. Playing tomorrow I would take their midfield over ours.
That probably says more about our midfield than the Crows.....as I said I like the Crouch boys especially Matt but most on this site would rate Cripps and Walsh as the cream of that crop.
If our midfield isnt as good as the bottom team then we need to fix it pronto...
I just wanted to make a pre-emptive prediction on how predictably bad this club has become...
We are due to play Adelaide before the season ends. This is guaranteed to be another level of shyte that this club will dish up to it's supporters by not only losing, but losing handsomely.
Only the Carlton Football Club can find new ways to embarass their supporters in even greater ways year in year out. It's like, you think that was bad? "Hold my beer..."
Mark this event down in your calendar...
I can't fault your prediction. With hindsight it was inevitable. I've been going regularly to Carlton matches since 1948. I don't think I have ever had so little faith in our future.
Here we are five years into a rebuild which was promised to deliver us a crack at finals by now and where are we? Dragging our backsides in the lower half of the ladder with more problems than you could poke a stick at.
Despite several coaches, many high draft picks and changes in administration, we still manage to serve up a standard of football, year after year, which would embarrass every other club in the competition
Maybe if we could pay our players on performance only things would change rapidly, but that's not going to happen.
We used to be such a proud club - proud of our reputation, based on premierships and performance, and being one of the oldest clubs in the VFL and AFL. Now it seems the club expects supporters to pay for memberships based on empty promises.
I've had enough. I'll watch games next year on tv and wait until the club delivers on its promises before handing over any more money.
I'll hand you this much, you've changed your MO at least and posted before a game. Tell me, why don't you post after a win?
Tell me why you don't compliment me on my visionary prediction? Too hard to admit that maybe, just maybe I may be right? Nah couldn't be. Could it? You and your buddies just keep peddling the nothing to see here mantra and everything will be fine.
The head in the sand works without fail doesn't it?
Crash, im absolutely gutted.
That is 100% sooking it up defeatist crap mate.
This is why I elected to bump this thread.
I understand the sentiment regarding chairing off your mate at the end of the game, however the act of two Carlton players chairing off an opponent after his final match is just one of the reasons we don't win games like this one.
For people who are jumping on me for writing this, could you see roughy, hodge, Mitchell doing this ?
Just as I thought
Thought?
You should try that more often.
Missed the point twice now.
Strike 2.
Thought?
You should try that more often.
Missed the point twice now.
Strike 2.
Oooohhhh, snap! Again, that cutting witisicism shining through. Awesome, thanks Kruds.
Like I said, dude keep polishing. The way you're rubbing you're soon to start a fire...
A broken clock is right twice a day Spanner.
Do yourself a favour and stop polishing. You're going to pull it right off if you keep going.
Tell me Mr Oracle sir....Are you capable of pointing out what is actually wrong with the club or do your powers only work with hunting former #1 picks?
Tell me why you don't compliment me on my visionary prediction? Too hard to admit that maybe, just maybe I may be right? Nah couldn't be. Could it? You and your buddies just keep peddling the nothing to see here mantra and everything will be fine.
The head in the sand works without fail doesn't it?
Took 32 days to reply but good on you. Firstly, my statement was correct, you only come on and rant after a loss, case in point. Secondly, if you think I am happy after a loss like that, you are sadly mistaken so jogg on and find someone else to harass. Thirdly, if you cant see we were a bees dick from playing finals, you need to get your head out of the sand.
Spanner does what Spanner is.
Tell me Mr Oracle sir....Are you capable of pointing out what is actually wrong with the club or do your powers only work with hunting former #1 picks?
Obviously you're slow on the uptake. How long have I been saying it's time to offload everything from this bleak period? Players, coaching staff and administrators.
This especially means the likes of Murphy, Simpson, Kreuzer and anyone else involved during this period.
I'm no Oracle, but unlike you and your buddies who claim that everything will be fine, "just you wait and see", realise that this simply just doesn't cut it. You're one of those guys that keeps banging your head up against the wall hoping for a different result. All I can tell you is that you're backing the wrong horse which is obvious given the results.
Like I said everyone outside of De Koning and Walsh should be on the trade table. See if we can craft a different destiny because what we're doing isn't working and hasn't worked. And yes, this includes the like of Cripps and Docherty. We've got to stop players from settling for close enough is good enough.
Losses should hurt and not be tolerated, but all too often we see players joking and laughing after big losses. This tells me this club is comfortable where it's at and doing what you claim is your best is good enough.
Took 32 days to reply but good on you. Firstly, my statement was correct, you only come on and rant after a loss, case in point. Secondly, if you think I am happy after a loss like that, you are sadly mistaken so jogg on and find someone else to harass. Thirdly, if you cant see we were a bees dick from playing finals, you need to get your head out of the sand.
Oh I'm sorry for not gracing you with a reply. Did you think maybe it didn't warrant a reply at the time?
Hmmm, this phantom bees dick you speak of, does it include the lottery numbers for next week? If so, count me in!
I think you and your wishful thinking should be doing the jogging.
Spanner does what Spanner is.
Haters gonna hate...
Crash, im absolutely gutted.
This is why I elected to bump this thread.
I understand the sentiment regarding chairing off your mate at the end of the game, however the act of two Carlton players chairing off an opponent after his final match is just one of the reasons we don't win games like this one.
For people who are jumping on me for writing this, could you see roughy, hodge, Mitchell doing this ?
The chairing off by opposition players is probably something folks will have a different opinion about.
Some may like it.
Others, not so much.
Some folks will have very strong opinions.
I personally felt a bit uncomfortable about it.
I understand they're his close friends but they're not his team-mates.
Either two Adelaide players or...
A representative from each club would have been a much more diplomatic move.
It gives the strong impression (and it may be the case) that Carlton was where his heart was at and the friendships at Adelaide never approached that level.
That may be a bit harsh but imagine how you would feel if one of our players was chaired off by two opposition players on his retirement.
It's very much a personal feeling and I've read Crows fans tonight who were quite OK with it.
I guess the only opinion that really matters is Gibbs's
Obviously you're slow on the uptake. How long have I been saying it's time to offload everything from this bleak period? Players, coaching staff and administrators.
Not slow. Just wanted this post to rub your nose in it ala Tigers need to sack Hardwick and start again...and then they win the flag.
Have you nuked your membership yet?
Did you even buy a membership??
The chairing off by opposition players is probably something folks will have a different opinion about.
Some may like it.
Others, not so much.
Some folks will have very strong opinions.
I personally felt a bit uncomfortable about it.
I understand they're his close friends but they're not his team-mates.
Either two Adelaide players or...
A representative from each club would have been a much more diplomatic move.
It gives the strong impression (and it may be the case) that Carlton was where his heart was at and the friendships at Adelaide never approached that level.
That may be a bit harsh but imagine how you would feel if one of our players was chaired off by two opposition players on his retirement.
It's very much a personal feeling and I've read Crows fans tonight who were quite OK with it.
I guess the only opinion that really matters is Gibbs's
I remember thinking to myself too that maybe we'll give him the win too just to give him one last hurrah. After all its not every day your mate retires.
The fact that Spanner started this thread basically verbalises the awful fact that deep down we all knew that the club would chuck in a shocker this weekend. It's the entrenched culture resulting from twenty plus years of abject mediocrity. We've been the bullied so long, it's ingrained, we just give up. What other club would have rolled over in such an insipid manner and turned the game into a Gibbs benefit game? We were pathetic when we needed to be ruthless...chairing off a former player, a showboating skipper, players refusing to do the basics. You could see we had no intention of winning this game, never switched on. Never manned up, never gave a stuff about standards of performance.
Maybe the club needs a Ross Lyon coach because having a nice culture has created a nice club that continues to play nice... And continues to lose. Dunno, seems to me that only the supporters care anymore. And that really hurts.
The fact that Spanner started this thread basically verbalises the awful fact that deep down we all knew that the club would chuck in a shocker this weekend.
This thread started on August 11th, week after week it's the same and wrong more than it is right, yet the week crap eventually happens and the shocker must happen sooner or later, it the sign of an oracle. :o
Eventually it'll be right, like Spike Milligan's headstone! :-\
So he's prescient. He foretold it. Did you bet money we would win yesterday?
So he's prescient. He foretold it. Did you bet money we would win yesterday?
Betting generally involves backing a human to do the right thing, and they are all lazy or corrupt at some level, so no I do not bet much and the more human's are involved the less likely I am to bet! ;)
For me this post is more about the Crows than Carlton, everybody was watching the Crows performances and asking WTF while thinking they'll come good eventually. Of course, we are on the end of the Crows resurrection run, not starting it!
Not slow. Just wanted this post to rub your nose in it ala Tigers need to sack Hardwick and start again...and then they win the flag.
Have you nuked your membership yet?
Did you even buy a membership??
So what you're saying is because it happened at one club that surely means it'll happen at every club. Am I reading that right? Really, you're running with that? Puuuurrlease, tell me you have better justification for your stance than "it's the vibe"...
The problem here isn't losing to the Crows, the Dawks, GWS and Carlton have lost to them in the last three weeks. The problem is the fans swallowing "the shock loss" commentary in disregard of obvious issues happening at the Crows affecting their performance. The Crows had been artificially hobbled by their own people!
It was not hard to predict the Crows coming good, it's not an oracle moment, go back a couple of months and the media was telling you the wheels had fallen off Nthmond!
No body believed the commentary around Nthmond, why did they so willingly swallow the same about Crows?
The media in pre-season and early had CheatsFC almost as flag favourites, nobody believed that, and now the expected form is surfacing "It shock under-performance" and nobody believes that either because we know the media is full of CheatsFC flogs!
If sacking Teague is required then do it.At the very least he needs to harden up and expect more from our blokes. Yesterday was unacceptable and they should be ashamed of themselves.
About the only thing that made this loss acceptable was the fact that Adelaide had won the previous two matches.
In fact, its the only thing that doesnt make this match "the loss of the year".
That and the fact that we probably should have beaten GWS given the position we were in making that loss worse.
Another morning after post mortem .... but from what I'm seeing, I do not like where we're headed. None of us do.
The suffering can be best described as cruel and unusual punishment, much of which is self imposed.
Bad bad recruiting, right across the board, save for the bloody obvious #1s.
About the only thing that made this loss acceptable was the fact that Adelaide had won the previous two matches.
In fact, its the only thing that doesnt make this match "the loss of the year".
If we have improved like so many on here claim, the losses to Adelaide, Hawthorn and GWS wouldn't have happened. The fact that they did, and continue to happen year in year out indicates that we haven't improved one iota.
It's a disgrace that we have lost 22 out of 25 against Hawthorn. Like WOW! It's a disgrace that we haven't beaten Richmond since what was it 2012. Like WOW! I think it's 2 out of the lat 10 against Collingwood. FFS, if people call this improvement, they've set the bar awfully low.
I hate how so many on this and other forums constantly give all the players an out to say, oh he was playing injured, oh he's being played out of position, oh he's just getting used to the game plan, oh his dog ate his homework.
I'm sorry, but none of those excuses wash. Every other club manages to get their players up to speed and into their programs. Look at what Brisbane have achieved and where we are. Brisbane is a club from a non-traditional football state, lost a truckload of players to the "go home" factor and still managed to build a competitive team, competitive game plan and competitive mindset.
Where are we? That's right, still wallowing in the bottom 6 of the competition. It seems to me that there is a "woe is me" factor at play. None of them have any self motivation and the close enough is good enough attitude prevails.
I have to admit to fighting off a case of complete disillusionment after yesterday's apalling performance.
I have to admit to fighting off a case of complete disillusionment after yesterday's apalling performance.
Yeah what makes it so disappointing is the variance from our good to our bad and seeing the good it makes the bad so harder to take.
Not excusing yesterday's result or the Hawks game, if you look at our reason holistically it's not that bad.
As supporters our expectation are high, but our season is pretty much where we are at.
If you look at the Bookies who have not emotional connection football sides other than to profit then our season reads like
Lost when favourite: (2) Hawks $1.72, Crows
Lost when not favourite: (7) Tigers $3.55, Demons $2.40, Saints $2.10, Power $2.70, Eagles $4.75, Magpies $1.98, Giants $2.85
Wins when favourite: (3) Kangaroos $1.48, Suns $1.56, Swans $1.56
Wins when not favourite: (4) Cats $5.00, Bombers $2.10, Bulldogs $2.50, Dockers $2.25
So looking at that we are +2 against the bookies.
Point being you can't just look at the two bad losses without looking at the Cats and Dogs wins. Sides that are clearly better than us.
Have a deeper look at "why" and don't be an emotional dribbler like Spanner and LL
Yeah what makes it so disappointing is the variance from our good to our bad and seeing the good it makes the bad so harder to take.
Not excusing yesterday's result or the Hawks game, if you look at our reason holistically it's not that bad.
As supporters our expectation are high, but our season is pretty much where we are at.
If you look at the Bookies who have not emotional connection football sides other than to profit then our season reads like
Lost when favourite: (2) Hawks $1.72, Crows
Lost when not favourite: (7) Tigers $3.55, Demons $2.40, Saints $2.10, Power $2.70, Eagles $4.75, Magpies $1.98, Giants $2.85
Wins when favourite: (3) Kangaroos $1.48, Suns $1.56, Swans $1.56
Wins when not favourite: (4) Cats $5.00, Bombers $2.10, Bulldogs $2.50, Dockers $2.25
So looking at that we are +2 against the bookies.
Point being you can't just look at the two bad losses without looking at the Cats and Dogs wins. Sides that are clearly better than us.
Have a deeper look at "why" and don't be an emotional dribbler like Spanner and LL
Yesterday we were putrid. A side on the way up would have built on those two wins, put in the hard yards and moved up the ladder.
Unfortunately, in addition to problems between the ears, we have a poor list and players know they can dish up rubbish every week and not be dropped. We have had this problem for most of this century.
It just embeds complacency into the culture of the club. The problem becomes self-fulfilling as no A grader wants to buy into it.
Supporters in desperation look for one or two A graders to change our fortunes. It doesn't work. We broke Judd and the same is happening with Cripps.
Unless we change the culture we will drift along in the same fashion for the foreseeable future.
If sacking Teague is required then do it.At the very least he needs to harden up and expect more from our blokes. Yesterday was unacceptable and they should be ashamed of themselves.
It was a surreal atmosphere after the game and we just seemed to be not giving a feck. Maybe just pleased to be coming home sooner rather than later?
The fact that Spanner started this thread basically verbalises the awful fact that deep down we all knew that the club would chuck in a shocker this weekend. It's the entrenched culture resulting from twenty plus years of abject mediocrity. We've been the bullied so long, it's ingrained, we just give up. What other club would have rolled over in such an insipid manner and turned the game into a Gibbs benefit game? We were pathetic when we needed to be ruthless...chairing off a former player, a showboating skipper, players refusing to do the basics. You could see we had no intention of winning this game, never switched on. Never manned up, never gave a stuff about standards of performance.
Maybe the club needs a Ross Lyon coach because having a nice culture has created a nice club that continues to play nice... And continues to lose. Dunno, seems to me that only the supporters care anymore. And that really hurts.
Agree with all of this. Spot on