Brilliant game to watch....if you're a Carlton supporter.
I support one very strange and unusual football team. Never a dull moment!
Whoever thought we'd win by kicking straight!!!
you beauty! great last 10 minutes
we had luck on our side - but i'll take the 4 points
Been a big critic but very very proud of the Skipper and Robbo. As for Jeffy and SOJ, I got a stiffy,
buckley you SOB
If only we could kick.. We dominated huge periods of that.
Best win in years.
Our mistakes and poor use of the ball nearly cost us the win. The usual suspects of course. Robinson near the end with a stupid pass. the bloke can't hit a target at the best of times let alone under pressure. Rowe and White were not our worst tonight, and I thought White improved a lot from last week. Rowe still makes too many mistakes but was better today.
I was very pleased to see Mick tear strips off Thouey for his cr@p play.
But, all in all, a teriffic win,aqnd BUCKLEY, will be a great player for this club.
GO BLUES ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Fantastic effort by the boys. I'm very proud to be a Blues supporter tonight! Heart stopping stuff but for me that was probably the most significant game we've played for some time - you could just feel the BELIEF!
Well done guys, great never say die effort.
BP 200 over 180 but I dont give a fork!
Buckley has personality, passion, and go
This club needs people like buckley
Best win in years.
Our mistakes and poor use of the ball nearly cost us the win. The usual suspects of course. Robinson near the end with a stupid pass. the bloke can't hit a target at the best of times let alone under pressure. Rowe and White were not our worst tonight, and I thought White improved a lot from last week. Rowe still makes too many mistakes but was better today.
I was very pleased to see Mick tear strips off Thouey for his cr@p play.
But, all in all, a teriffic win,aqnd BUCKLEY, will be a great player for this club.
GO BLUES ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thought Rowe, Jamo and White were very very good.
Buckley has personality, passion, and go
This club needs people like buckley
And skill... Sadly lacking.
Buckley has personality, passion, and go
This club needs people like buckley
So happy for Dylan, Jimmy and the Club. Great little story building.
WHOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAA
White was very good.
Thought Rowe, Jamo and White were very very good.
Agree, White's best game I think, Rowe good shows you stats are not everything!
They have a lot of heart this group. Very very gutsy win.
By the way how good was daisys smother.
Can't image another player in our team diving like that.
And how good was warnock tap to Lucas in the last!
Geez i hope yazza is ok for next week. Not without a chance next week.
Buckley has to stay in the team. If cripps has potential what has this guy got. Has poise, balance, heart, guts and explosive pace.
Menzel is all class and garlett played the best game I have seen from him in a long time.
Best win for a while.
Best win in years.
Our mistakes and poor use of the ball nearly cost us the win. The usual suspects of course. Robinson near the end with a stupid pass. the bloke can't hit a target at the best of times let alone under pressure. Rowe and White were not our worst tonight, and I thought White improved a lot from last week. Rowe still makes too many mistakes but was better today.
I was very pleased to see Mick tear strips off Thouey for his cr@p play.
But, all in all, a teriffic win,aqnd BUCKLEY, will be a great player for this club.
GO BLUES ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thought Rowe, Jamo and White were very very good.
Jamieson was good, White a huge improvement on what he's been serving up.
BUT, while Rowe used his body a lot and was good in that area, he dropped an easy chest mark, he could have taken an overhead mark uncontested, but went with a double fist punch, he couldn't hit a target in the third quarter with his kick and kicked the ball out of bounds, even though he had plenty of time. He's a panicker and lacks confidence. If you are not nervous when he's one out with an opponent, then you haven't been watching him.
I keep saying this. I would love him to succeed and take his game up a notch where he becomes as reliable a defender as a Maxwell, a Glass, even a Jamieson. But, I doubt that he either has the football brain or the attributes to do so.
Takes some heart to keep going, they could have crumbled halfway through the last. Gutsy
Glad with the win, get the bragging rights for the week :D
But jeez The overall game, each team was just as bad as the other .
Super impressed with the improvement of goal kicking and murph stepping up.
I think the revelation of both White and Rowe down back may have killed the career of Watson. Who'd a thunk it? :o :o
Great win.
Shows what kicking straight can do. Do that every week and you'll win more often than not. Could've easily been 4-2 at this point f we had've kicked straight against the Dees and Tiges.
I think the revelation of both White and Rowe down back may have killed the career of Watson. Who'd a thunk it? :o :o
Great win.
Shows what kicking straight can do. Do that every week and you'll win more often than not. Could've easily been 4-2 at this point f we had've kicked straight against the Dees and Tiges.
I think once Rowe gets his confidence he will move forward again, he is more than capable of marking like Casboult but Rowe can kick!
Waite will retire, Watson will come back in eventually.
I think the revelation of both White and Rowe down back may have killed the career of Watson. Who'd a thunk it? :o :o
Great win.
Shows what kicking straight can do. Do that every week and you'll win more often than not. Could've easily been 4-2 at this point f we had've kicked straight against the Dees and Tiges.
I think once Rowe gets his confidence he will move forward again, he is more than capable of marking like Casboult but Rowe can kick!
Waite will retire, Watson will come back in eventually.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Rowe is allowing us to play Hendo forward all game with Waite, which is allowing us to 'carry' casboult as our 2nd ruckman.
Buckley has personality, passion, and go
This club needs people like buckley
Don't want to talk him up too much but .....the kid will win a Brownlow or two down the track :D
(or at least another NRS nomination ;))
We now have as many wins as the drugged up bombers who were touted in round 2 as potential flag winners.... :o
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Rowe is allowing us to play Hendo forward all game with Waite, which is allowing us to 'carry' casboult as our 2nd ruckman.
You are talking about next week, I am talking about next season!
They have to play the kids if they are to step up when we need them. Hendo is surely going to spend the majority of the rest of his career forward.
What does Daisy add to the team?
He shows them how to play desperate football in the last 10 minutes of a tight game!! He was exceptional when it counted!!
I think the revelation of both White and Rowe down back may have killed the career of Watson. Who'd a thunk it? :o :o
Great win.
Shows what kicking straight can do. Do that every week and you'll win more often than not. Could've easily been 4-2 at this point f we had've kicked straight against the Dees and Tiges.
I think once Rowe gets his confidence he will move forward again, he is more than capable of marking like Casboult but Rowe can kick!
Waite will retire, Watson will come back in eventually.
I'd be very surprised if Watson isn't traded at the end of the year.
And yes, Rowe can mark. But he's too frightened to do so. We are 6 rounds in and have won two games. If he doesn't have a biit of confidence now, when will he get some?
We could have made a KPD find in Rowe if he can keep improving. Waite looks reinvigorated ATM, could possibly go round again but early days. White was good also, needs game time now.
What does Daisy add to the team?
He shows them how to play desperate football in the last 10 minutes of a tight game!! He was exceptional when it counted!!
Not only that, but his maturity and intelligence came through when he was interviewed on Fox footy by David King after the game.
He said words to the effect of, we need to be a lot more steadier than we were in the last few minutes.
he knew what had to be done and how to play in those situations, hopefully he will impart that knowledge to the inexperienced boys in the team.
I'd be very surprised if Watson isn't traded at the end of the year.
And yes, Rowe can mark. But he's too frightened to do so. We are 6 rounds in and have won two games. If he doesn't have a biit of confidence now, when will he get some?
Nah, Rowe is playing in a position he has never hardly played before, he will displace Casboult eventually.
As much as I love Levi's clunking, tou can't carry a bloke who is a great mark but cannot hit the goals from 30m out, twice! I have him in my worst for that reason.
Sat near the bench. Malthouse tore strips into Thouy. Thouy walked up the boundary, came back to the bench, then Mick flayed him again. Gold.
Daisy's and Murph's runs down the western side of the ground in the last quarter were electric. Daisy inspirational.
The character of his group is really developing. That comeback was one of the best last qtr efforts for a very long time.
Important to note that we turned this game around in the final qtr without Judd, Carrazzo, Curnow and lost Yazz at a critical stage.
The character of his group is really developing. That comeback was one of the best last qtr efforts for a very long time.
Important to note that we turned this game around in the final qtr without Judd, Carrazzo, Curnow and lost Yazz at a critical stage.
More important is to note who stood up at that time. Murphy,Daisy,Buckley and Menzel.
Apart from his two kicks at goal, I thought Casboult was excellent today... He loves to chase players down and lay tackles.. Thats great for such a big guy.. He out rucked Nic Nat at some stages today, took some crucial big grabs, and provided us with plenty.. I don't want to see him out of the team from here on in.. Lets build his confidence right up. Just needs to fix his kicking for goals.. His field kicking is very good as is his handball.. If he starts nailing those goals and gets his confidence up, he becomes invaluable and a crucial member of the team.. He's a wrecking ball who does a lot around the ground....
And Buckley wasn't named in the original side because....?
Best win in years.
Our mistakes and poor use of the ball nearly cost us the win. The usual suspects of course. Robinson near the end with a stupid pass. the bloke can't hit a target at the best of times let alone under pressure. Rowe and White were not our worst tonight, and I thought White improved a lot from last week. Rowe still makes too many mistakes but was better today.
I was very pleased to see Mick tear strips off Thouey for his cr@p play.
But, all in all, a teriffic win,aqnd BUCKLEY, will be a great player for this club.
GO BLUES ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Thought Rowe, Jamo and White were very very good.
Jamieson was good, White a huge improvement on what he's been serving up.
BUT, while Rowe used his body a lot and was good in that area, he dropped an easy chest mark, he could have taken an overhead mark uncontested, but went with a double fist punch, he couldn't hit a target in the third quarter with his kick and kicked the ball out of bounds, even though he had plenty of time. He's a panicker and lacks confidence. If you are not nervous when he's one out with an opponent, then you haven't been watching him.
I keep saying this. I would love him to succeed and take his game up a notch where he becomes as reliable a defender as a Maxwell, a Glass, even a Jamieson. But, I doubt that he either has the football brain or the attributes to do so.
Bignic you wont find a bigger critic of Rowe than me. However, I think his endeavour and unorthodoxness (made up a word) got the better of the WC fwds tonite. Cant ask for more than that I'm afraid.
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I'd be very surprised if Watson isn't traded at the end of the year. we would be lucky to get a second rounder for him atm
And yes, Rowe can mark. But he's too frightened to do so. We are 6 rounds in and have won two games. If he doesn't have a biit of confidence now, when will he get some?
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Lost our run but found it again to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Getting the win in those circumstances could well prove to be season defining.
Sat near the bench. Malthouse tore strips into Thouy. Thouy walked up the boundary, came back to the bench, then Mick flayed him again. Gold.
And he deserved it too. He's been very very bad.
Watson needs to actually show something to be traded.
Any idea where to grab an online replay?!
Watson needs to actually show something to be traded.
might be able to package him and our second rounder for a player???
I though 206 was pretty good tonight, played a lone hand against the best Ruckman to play the game (IMO) and Nic Nat the Freak.
Lost our run but found it again to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Getting the win in those circumstances could well prove to be season defining.
The momentum kept changing and we had the early run in each of the first 3 quarters, and the Eagles charged back at us with minutes to spare in the end of each quarter. The way the last quarter started we should have lost by 5 goals, but managed to steal the game in the end. Happy with the win, no matter how we get them. ;)
Just go home spent a lot time watching 2E a lot has changed the instinct is gone its now he is trying to play as if he understands but he doesnt and because of it he is lost. 2E is a big concern!!!
Menzal is going to be an amazing footballer, such a natural footballer.
I now know why MM went after daisy so badly the guy is the energy he gets around encourages gets so excited when we kick a goal runs to players high 5 the works. Something we never had now we have him and buckley. Also show his maturity when it was needed.
Just wondering was anything said on TV about our doctors and discussion with the AFL? ??
The bits and pieces I saw the 'Bolt played a role as a mobile big player around the ground... pity he can't finish off his good work up forward. Did a lot of small things that I saw; might not have marked but made sure the other ruckman didn't, laid blocks, made spoils, put pressure on and prevented clean take away from the contest etc... not everybody is a champion but if everybody puts in and contributes where they can, the results tend to go your way.
The bits and pieces I saw the 'Bolt played a role as a mobile big player around the ground... pity he can't finish off his good work up forward. Did a lot of small things that I saw; might not have marked but made sure the other ruckman didn't, laid blocks, made spoils, put pressure on and prevented clean take away from the contest etc... not everybody is a champion but if everybody puts in and contributes where they can, the results tend to go your way.
My only criticism of Levi was he got pushed off the mark a bit to easily for a guy his size and its just smarts need to know contact is coming and plant his feet
Just go home spent a lot time watching 2E a lot has changed the instinct is gone its now he is trying to play as if he understands but he doesnt and because of it he is lost. 2E is a big concern!!!
Menzal is going to be an amazing footballer, such a natural footballer.
I now know why MM went after daisy so badly the guy is the energy he gets around encourages gets so excited when we kick a goal runs to players high 5 the works. Something we never had now we have him and buckley. Also show his maturity when it was needed.
Just wondering was anything said on TV about our doctors and discussion with the AFL? ??
Buckley should've done the jumper grabbing and pointing at the CFC logo moment when he kicked a goal, would've made my heart melt and our membership jump by at least oooooh, by 100,000. ;D
Would've been our Nicky Winmar moment. :)
Aaaaahh if only ::)
I though 206 was pretty good tonight, played a lone had against the best Ruckman to play the game (IMO) and Nic Nat the Freak.
I thought 206 was excellent. If he wasn't up against Nat, he was against Cox. The Bolt gave some respite but Warnock was the main man. He actually has some second efforts these days too!
Yazz off injured. What happened?
Still wondering where that came from. Ten minutes into the last we were GAWN. Had stopped running, looked flat footed and very tired.
At least we're learning to win and, more importantly, to never give up.
Some horrendous turnovers by hand today (usually by foot). Daisy was very good, and Buckley - you bl00dy ripper!
Daisy was very good with his work rate, but his kicking is absolutely rubbish. He actually looks for a handball over a kick as often as possible. just no confidence in his boot at all. His 2nd and 3rd efforts are priceless. Best work rate of any player we have had for a long, long time.
#UNITED
I thought we lost our way a bit when Yarran went off... not sure why they didn't sub off one of their ruckman, might have cost them the game in the end.
I can't think of too many games where the momentum changes half way through the last qtr... our first 10 mins of the last qtr were pretty ordinary.
Great to see a bit of character, great to see us get a bit of luck for a change.
Well, that's the sort of victory that sparks confidence within the group. Fantastic effort to snatch this game. In all honesty, this is the sort of situation where we would just "pack it in". But, all it takes is a single act or moment to give that "impetus". Well done Jeffy!
Now the leaders are putting it together - Murph, Gibbs and Simmo. And little Dylan Buckley is a fkn beauty!
Daisy was very good with his work rate, but his kicking is absolutely rubbish. He actually looks for a handball over a kick as often as possible. just no confidence in his boot at all. His 2nd and 3rd efforts are priceless. Best work rate of any player we have had for a long, long time.
His kicking was that bad I'm thinking he must be getting injections to play?
Wow.
I was getting angry at our so called fitness experts with 10 minutes. Seriously I was having a crack about it to my Dad about 30 seconds before Garlett kicked his goal. But they really looked shot. Completely exhausted, much like the Port Adelaide game.
In one sense we should have put the Weagles away earlier in the game, but then they should have destroyed us in the first 10 minutes of the last.
If Buckley hasn't earned his spot in the top 22, then I'll be quite annoyed. He's got the dash and bravery of Army, but I think his use is better and he has a spark that you can't teach.
Murphy was extraordinary. Two weeks ago I wanted him sacked as Captain. In the last two weeks he's shown the grit and determination of a Captain.
Levi cannot kick, but I thought he was great around the ground. He's agile in the ruck and can mark around the ground. He can also lay a tackle. His kicking will kill his career. Someone needs to sort that out because like I said last week he's got more heart than overrated spuds like Vickery.
Warnock - was a total hack two weeks ago. Has played his best two games in a Carlton jumper. Didn't stop trying and probably beat Cox and Nick Nat in the ruck. Some of his tap work was awesome.
Rowe... I don't rate him. But he beat his man most times tonight. And while I wish he condo learn more poise with the ball... if he keeps this up he'll turn me.
White killed an in form Darling. When I saw them lined up on each other I thought we were stuffed, but Darling got his lowest Super Coach points for the year. Couldn't get his hands on the ball. Again, I've called him a hack for the last month... but you have to credit where it's due.
Daisy showed us why he might actually be worth the money.
Scotland was all experience and poise.
Gibbs was two parts brilliant, one part rubbish (some of his decision making let him down)
Walker still can't hit a target but his run and endeavour can't be faulted.
Garlett was amazing. Just like the old Jeffy, but even better. He played a full four quarters and I'm glad he started the ball rolling.
Lachie was good and while only kicked two, were structurally so much better with him up forward. And Waite as well, who continued to present all night.
Tooeeey, and some nice moments, but I'm happy that MM tore him a new anus. He's deserved it.
Jamo murdered Kennedy.
Menzel is all class. I wish his motor was larger, because he pure silk.
Yazz is playing great football, but he always seems to get injured when he's showing some form.
Everitt was great. McLean was a welcome return. Robbo was... Robbo. Did plenty of good stuff but made some stupid mistakes.
Lucas was OK. Some good outside stuff but couldn't hold tackles when it counted. He was much better last week.
Overall, the boys have definitely united. Hopefully they grow further from this one and take it right up to the Scum next week.
206 carried on from where he left off against the eagles in the 2013 encounter.
How was Jack, Darling?
Sh1thouse, honey!!
(White was very good today!)
Yazz off injured. What happened?
Hammy
Yeah baby! Didn't see any of the game and only got to listen to the last quarter on radio, going to sit down and watch the replay now. Looking at the stats I see Murphy and Gibbs had 11 tackles each. Two weeks in a row now our young leaders have stood up. Perhaps it's not all doom and gloom.
Shows what kicking straight can do. Do that every week and you'll win more often than not. Could've easily been 4-2 at this point f we had've kicked straight against the Dees and Tiges.
Yep amazing in hindsight, we
should be 4-2.
Perhaps it's not all doom and gloom.
Making hay while the sun shines PI2C?
Don't put all your chips on navy blue just yet, but enjoy it exactly as it is and while you can!
Tonight we were all over them, let them back in, they let us back in and we lucked out after trying to hand it back as best we could. The Weagles are a talent loaded team playing crape awful football, and we tripped over the line in grand style!
A win's a win's a win!! :))
I'd be very surprised if Watson isn't traded at the end of the year.
And yes, Rowe can mark. But he's too frightened to do so. We are 6 rounds in and have won two games. If he doesn't have a biit of confidence now, when will he get some?
Agree with everything written there.
Watson has this year to extract a digit, otherwise he'll go the same way as McCarthy & Mitchell.
Rowe is forced to do his bit due to the fact we don't have anyone else around to do so. He too will be a casualty come season's end.
Nice to win some games at etihad....just in time for the move to the MCG :P
With no FTA coverage up here, had to watch a bit of the first half on a pirate feed via the internet, nearly smashed my screen when The Big Galoot had those two set shots at goal and sprayed them both sides of the posts.
Had to attend a cricket association awards night, only had a crappy ABC radio signal in the car to listen to, then had to go off the AFL app and watched the scores for a bit. Nearly crashed my car when i noticed we hadn't scored at all for the first 17-mins of the last and the Eagles lead got out to 24-points.
Found that you can stream the radio stations via the app and listened to the last 5-mins of the match. Couldn't believe we were actually in front and then went on to win it. The Eagles had the last three shots at goal of the game and kept hitting the post, if any one of those kicks had of gone through, they would of won it.
As it was, we got out of jail in this match which could end up being a better tonic for our team overall than the win last week.
Nice to win some games at etihad....just in time for the move to the MCG :P
Our two worst performances this year have been on the MCG.
Has the ground been a factor?
A real Jekyll and Hyde performance for mine tonight. At times brilliant, at times utter rubbish.....thankfully the good outweighed the bad.
Did not see that last 15 mins coming at all.....in fact was expecting a blowout against us, cos at that stage we looked hopelessly sloppy, disinterested, inept, exhausted and resigned to the result of an Eagles win. Thought Garlett's set shot goal would be a small consolation, then after Tuohy's goal thought it may end up as an honourable loss, then after Hendo's goal it was game on and here we go!
The reaction of the Carlton crowd when that final siren went......if I could bottle that spontaneous reaction of utter jubilation, high-fives and hugs of everyone immediately around you......that's when I love this game.
We still collectively butcher the ball by foot far too often to ever be a serious threat to the top-drawer teams of the AFL, but we can certainly have our moments against them when everything clicks.
Agree with what most others have said in regards to individual performances. Thought it was White's best game in Navy Blue, Warnock was immense pitted against the best rucking duo ever in the AFL, a welcome return to form for Brock, Daisy does a lot of things so well, Yarran is still on B&F pace, Murph captained with authority again, Walker was excellent, Everitt another excellent shutdown job, Waite extremely handy, Garlett brilliant, Jamo awesome, Buckley tenacious, was more than happy with Lucas, Menzel is pure class and Rowe is okay if he does nothing but spoil.....and I mean NOTHING but spoil. Henderson, Gibbs, Simmo, Robbo, Scotland, Casboult & Tuohy were okay/serviceable at best.
Not looking ahead to the Pies game with much confidence to be honest.
Rowe is forced to do his bit due to the fact we don't have anyone else around to do so. He too will be a casualty come season's end.
I think Rowe is definitely a MM project player (Leigh Brown MK 2), so I doubt he is going anywhere soon.
Nice to win some games at etihad....just in time for the move to the MCG :P
Our two worst performances this year have been on the MCG.
Has the ground been a factor?
Very good point Lods.....we were discussing that very point on the drive home, that our Etihad form this year has been fairly sound, whilst we've generally been stinking it up at the MCG. NEVER thought I'd ever be saying that. Not sure how I feel about that fact.....
Had to go out and only saw the first half
We should have been 5 goals up at half time. We made some dumb mistakes that cost us goals and gave them some.
And those errors were by some of our better players so I figured we'd struggle in the second half.
Really happy with the win.
Great come from behind win .. Awesome to see the boys dig deep and knock off the Toast, off your seat kind of stuff.
Murphy great, finally leading as a leader should.
In man love with Dylan, he never takes a backward step. Takes on the big boys and has great judgement, skill and ability.
Rowe, Jamo and White kept the Toast big boys quiet. Nic Nat is a spud, gets lost in all the western seaboard media hype.
Warnock gave all night against a three man tag team.
Waite, Simmo, McLean, Jeffy, Gibbs, Daisy getting going, Everitt, Menz inspiring sub, Lucas, AW impressed at times he went with Spack Darling, he certainly had the better of him. Bad luck for Yazz. It was a great team win.
Negatives - I was very upset with some of our decision making throughout.
We are terrible at times and most stuff ups = turnover = goal.
Why do the Umpires always turn it on after a week of negative press.
Get to rub that win in over here ... You little ripper ;D
Onwards and upwards.
Nice to win some games at etihad....just in time for the move to the MCG :P
Our two worst performances this year have been on the MCG.
Has the ground been a factor?
Very good point Lods.....we were discussing that very point on the drive home, that our Etihad form this year has been fairly sound, whilst we've generally been stinking it up at the MCG. NEVER thought I'd ever be saying that. Not sure how I feel about that fact.....
Good teams perform well at any ground. End of story.
Levi's beard it must be said has progressed beyond fashion statement and into wild man length. It does concern me because a determined beard such as his and Josh Kennedy's will draw scrutiny if the performance underwhelms. Who at the club is monitoring this situation?
Love an ugly win, especially at our uncertain stage.
I expect more of Thomas, mostly earlier. Unacceptable turnovers, but his one percenters at the end provide some leeway.
If DT eventually clicks, Rowe, Everitt and White stand up (again), and the rest of em play to their potential... we
will go alright. Almost there tonight. White grew a third leg.
This Docherty bloke would be a good inclusion.
Robbo clanger in the last mins was ugly. Played a good game, but butchered when it counts.
great to see Menzel and Buckley ice the game. Future glimpse?
As I said to the bloke next to me at the pub, not the most convincing win, but I'll take the 4 points !!
It was a very gutsy win though, and as MM said with a 6 player turnover from last week, those that came in filled the holes did their role and got the result.
I know stats only tell some of the story, but in this game the story they tell is that we spread the load around quite evenly and everyone contributed.
I thought White wasn't getting used very much or not getting into the play very well, but 15+ disposals and 4 marks says he did ok. What I did see him do was good.
It was great to see No 3 and No 4 running around together in the midfield and around stoppages doing what they do best. Gibbs is a bit underrated by us supporters a bit still I reckon. 1 bad turnover tonight, but in general really starting to show what a quality midfielder he can be.
Casboult had 2 shockers kicking at goal, but I like what he offers around the ground. 9 marks and 14 disposals is a pretty reasonable return for a big guy.
I agree with LP, Rowe lacks confidence, but like Henderson, give him a season(apprenticeship) down back and he just might be a good replacement for Waite when he retires, this year or next. Probably easier to recruit a defender than a KP forward too !! But that discussion is probably for another thread !!
Menzal is all class, and 8 touches in a little over a qtr of footy is a good return for him as my knock on him has been that he doesn't get enough of the footy when he has played full games.
Garlett made a very good return. 3 goals and really could not have done much more than he did. His tap to Waite for a goal was all class !!
Kane Lucas was very workman like, if he can learn to add some run and class that I believe he has, he will have a lot of people getting excited. He is still probably working on the foundations of his game at the moment.
We are a very good offensive team when we have the ball and that's great.
What frustrates me though is the lack of defensive pressure on the opposition when we don't have the ball. To me this is the part of our game plan that needs the most work !!
All in all, a great win, much needed, hopefully it will give the boys some more, and much needed confidence and belief in themselves and we can go on and smash the Pies next week !!
Go Blues !!!
Watched the game on Fox last night and as much as I hate the commentary and commentators I do love it when Eddie says Carlton has won.
Eddie got pretty excited in patches, Dermie added a realistic perspective some times and Roo is just a complete tosser.
Been a big critic but very very proud of the Skipper and Robbo. As for Jeffy and SOJ, I got a stiffy,
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yesterday was the first time in a very long time that I heard the Carlton (clap cap clap), Carlton (clap, clap, clap) chant. I'm pretty sure it helped drive the boys to get those last couple of goals.
I think the revelation of both White and Rowe down back may have killed the career of Watson. Who'd a thunk it? :o :o
Great win.
Shows what kicking straight can do. Do that every week and you'll win more often than not. Could've easily been 4-2 at this point f we had've kicked straight against the Dees and Tiges.
White and Rowe are are doing well, but we are helping each other out a lot, team defense.
The only person who's killing Watson's career is Watson. I want the kid to succeed like many others do, but i don't think Watson will make it as a Defender. I'd love to see him spend a year training as a forward. I honestly believe that he will be 10 times better, not saying he'll make it but i think he needs to be tried as a forward
We still collectively butcher the ball by foot far too often to ever be a serious threat to the top-drawer teams of the AFL, but we can certainly have our moments against them when everything clicks.
Agree with this however I thought fewer butchered the ball than normal last night. And Robbo wasn't one of them.
Love waking up after a win.
We still collectively butcher the ball by foot far too often to ever be a serious threat to the top-drawer teams of the AFL, but we can certainly have our moments against them when everything clicks.
Agree with this however I thought fewer butchered the ball than normal last night. And Robbo wasn't one of them.
I thought Robbo did some great stuff, lowered his eyes on a couple of occasions when normally his first instinct would be to bomb it long. About to watch it again, probably a good thing i've lost my voice for the second week running, i imagine the missus is sick of my screaming :P
Rowe is forced to do his bit due to the fact we don't have anyone else around to do so. He too will be a casualty come season's end.
I think Rowe is definitely a MM project player (Leigh Brown MK 2), so I doubt he is going anywhere soon.
Was thinking about Rowe last night. I would imagine someone who has battled cancer and beat it needs to be a pretty special person. I saw some serious determination from him last night. He had a look about him that said "I'm not gonna get beaten tonight". Hope its infectious.
Jack Darling's stomach must be feeling a little tender this morning.
Rowe is forced to do his bit due to the fact we don't have anyone else around to do so. He too will be a casualty come season's end.
I think Rowe is definitely a MM project player (Leigh Brown MK 2), so I doubt he is going anywhere soon.
Was thinking about Rowe last night. I would imagine someone who has battled cancer and beat it needs to be a pretty special person. I saw some serious determination from him last night. He had a look about him that said "I'm not gonna get beaten tonight". Hope its infectious.
Absolutely. He really put in last night.
Rowe is forced to do his bit due to the fact we don't have anyone else around to do so. He too will be a casualty come season's end.
I think Rowe is definitely a MM project player (Leigh Brown MK 2), so I doubt he is going anywhere soon.
Was thinking about Rowe last night. I would imagine someone who has battled cancer and beat it needs to be a pretty special person. I saw some serious determination from him last night. He had a look about him that said "I'm not gonna get beaten tonight". Hope its infectious.
Absolutely. He really put in last night.
He actually had some second and third efforts...which is fantastic
Levi's beard it must be said has progressed beyond fashion statement and into wild man length. It does concern me because a determined beard such as his and Josh Kennedy's will draw scrutiny if the performance underwhelms. Who at the club is monitoring this situation?
Beards are not just a footy problem, they are a problem that the wider society has to deal with.
Nice to win some games at etihad....just in time for the move to the MCG :P
Our two worst performances this year have been on the MCG.
Has the ground been a factor?
Very good point Lods.....we were discussing that very point on the drive home, that our Etihad form this year has been fairly sound, whilst we've generally been stinking it up at the MCG. NEVER thought I'd ever be saying that. Not sure how I feel about that fact.....
Good teams perform well at any ground. End of story.
Are we a good team then?
Perhaps next week will tell that story.
Watched the game on Fox last night and as much as I hate the commentary and commentators I do love it when Eddie says Carlton has won.
Eddie got pretty excited in patches, Dermie added a realistic perspective some times and Roo is just a complete tosser.
He chubbed up when Menz kicked the icer. Listen to his commentary.
Been a big critic but very very proud of the Skipper and Robbo. As for Jeffy and SOJ, I got a stiffy,
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously the appetite for the footy those two showed last night was incredible. Ferocious and dare I say it, a little bit of Ruthlessness.
Nice to win some games at etihad....just in time for the move to the MCG :P
Our two worst performances this year have been on the MCG.
Has the ground been a factor?
Very good point Lods.....we were discussing that very point on the drive home, that our Etihad form this year has been fairly sound, whilst we've generally been stinking it up at the MCG. NEVER thought I'd ever be saying that. Not sure how I feel about that fact.....
Good teams perform well at any ground. End of story.
Are we a good team then?
Perhaps next week will tell that story.
Beat the Filth next week and it will be one hell of a story.
The club site has Daisy as first mentioned in our best players, I was there and didn't see it that way....but then again, am wearing glasses these days...don't think we are any better than a 10 - 14 side....but really enjoyed the atmosphere at the ground as they kicked those last 5 goals....and the euphoria from everyone around as the siren sounded...great stuff ;D
The club site has Daisy as first mentioned in our best players, I was there and didn't see it that way....but then again, am wearing glasses these days...don't think we are any better than a 10 - 14 side....but really enjoyed the atmosphere at the ground as they kicked those last 5 goals....and the euphoria from everyone around as the siren sounded...great stuff ;D
From my point of view, he was pretty damn good all night. Lots of up and down running, constantly geeing the boys up. Setting his sites on next week I reckon. I feel win, lose or draw, we will see what he is made of.
The club site has Daisy as first mentioned in our best players, I was there and didn't see it that way....but then again, am wearing glasses these days...don't think we are any better than a 10 - 14 side....but really enjoyed the atmosphere at the ground as they kicked those last 5 goals....and the euphoria from everyone around as the siren sounded...great stuff ;D
From my point of view, he was pretty damn good all night. Lots of up and down running, constantly geeing the boys up. Setting his sites on next week I reckon. I feel win, lose or draw, we will see what he is made of.
Cool 8)
Lucas just doesnt do it for me.........
I was willing to give him time but ....how much time do you give a skinny lightweight? He's no KPD or Fwd and he's been around long enough to show something??????
For mine, he's not imposed himself on a game like say a Buck's or Menzel have. I'm not saying that these 2 have made it but they show bits and pieces of what they "could" be. Lucas has shown me nothing to get excited about. :-\ :-\ I cant see what he offers???
Have been critical of Touhy this year. Deserved a spray yesterday but you could see he was trying to run the ball rather than kick long. as per coaches instruction you'd think. We all know he can kick like a mule but it seems the instruction is now to short kick and run/handball instead.
Touhy's still an asset and his game was better yesterday than in previous weeks.
Agree with all RE Rowe and White. Thought there games were very good yesterday.
I'm just happy we never gave up. That's all I want at this stage. We aint a top 6 side ( not yet anyway ) but so long as we keep up the fight, and never say die.....I'll be happy with that.
Ps.... Kudos to Daisy. Ive really struggled to embrace him. He is obviously not as fit as he would like but he pushes himself to every contest. That smother in the last at full stretch ..........I give in. Welcome to Carlton Daisy. ;)
Are we a good team then?
Perhaps next week will tell that story.
There will be more discussion about this over the coming weeks, but i'll get in first.
We are playing like a good team right now, yes.
But how is that so because of our dud list? I hear you ask. ;)
Mick had a dud list with the pies in 2002-03, but he had them playing well as a TEAM and got them into 2 Grand Finals.
The players are starting to embrace the gameplan and know what to expect out of eachother now. They have lifted their intensity and are doing the team things that are required.
Hopefully they continue to do so.
Where does our list stand in all of this?
Nothing has changed IMO. We still need to make some big changes and trade/draft well to improve our list. Still not opposed to Gibbs going. Still reckon we should look into trading away Kreuzer. Still need to find a geniune key forward and preferably a key back as well.
The players are starting to embrace the gameplan and know what to expect out of eachother now. They have lifted their intensity and are doing the team things that are required.
Hopefully they continue to do so.
But I thought we'd already embraced the gameplan last year?
Just watching Brendan Mccartney's interview from last week, he
clearly thought we opened the game right up and caught his team off guard. The gameplan may be similar but it's definitely been tweaked. Mick has given some leeway to the players and they have responded. Well done.
Impressive win, not a great one but impressive. I was like most when we got 4 goals down. I thought it was over, the boys looked done and Eagles were everywhere. Amazing what the 2 goals to Garlett and the 50m penalty to Touhy did for the team belief, all of a sudden we were up and going, players ran like it was the first quarter and lead by Murphy, generally over the last couple of years when hard running was needed it came from Simpson and/or Judd, Murphy must have finally had his switch flipped because his gut run and hard tackling were outstanding.
Waite should never be left down forward, you know when he gets up to the wings and gives that option off half back that he's on his game, Henderson however is still a hit and miss prospect up forward, I'm still of the thinking that he's a better CHB than forward. Casboult needs to be played as a high half forward, very high, in other words don't let him kick for goal. When Levi crashes packs and takes the clunking grabs he gains in confidence, when he lines up for goal he is like a shrinking violet.
Rowe played his best game for the club, which is not saying much, he was average at best. I think Brettie said he should only be allowed to spoil but some of the spoils were poor too. Not a bad match up for Jesse White next week though. Jammo was decent and stayed on Kennedy which kept him out of the game and White did a number on Darling, who would have to rivals Lindsay Thomas for the biggest stager for frees in the AFL.
Gibbs tackled well but played a selfish game, his snaps on goals should have been given to players in better positions especially the second one. When I see Bryce run around I think of a top 10 draft pick in waiting not a player who's going to lead the club up the ladder.
Kane Lucas is slowly getting better and attacking the ball, but stop looking behind yourself when you're running and if you can see that you'll be caught get rid of it, you are not strong or fast enough to break the tackle.
Dylan Buckley should always be left out of the team only to be included at the last minute, both his good games came as a late replacement.
Warnock battle beautifully and earned some respect for taking on and beating a lot of the time three rucks with two AA standard.
Got lucky in the end with two post hits in the dying minutes to West Coast and cannot seriously consider us a finals chance but like what Malthouse has the team doing, just want to see a couple more kids in soon.
Great summary Ray but as others have mentioned, we should be 4-2. That would put us right up there for finals football.
Not many teams win after making 6 (5?) forced changes in 1 week. Great effort by the boys.
Levi's beard it must be said has progressed beyond fashion statement and into wild man length. It does concern me because a determined beard such as his and Josh Kennedy's will draw scrutiny if the performance underwhelms. Who at the club is monitoring this situation?
Beards are not just a footy problem, they are a problem that the wider society has to deal with.
The anomaly is that they call these guys 'hipsters'. Go figure.
Great summary Ray but as others have mentioned, we should be 4-2. That would put us right up there for finals football.
...and the use of the word should is the difference between us being a finals side and where we actually are.
We
should have kicked for goal better against Richmond and Melbourne
We
should of played better in the last quarter against Port
Robbo and Bell
should hit targets all the time
Warnock
should be a dominant ruckman
Murphy
should break tags..... and so on.
Sorry Carrots but we are 6th at best, 14th at worst and will probably end up around 10th, we still are too small at the contest and have too many that fade out of games. We still don't block well for Murphy and Gibbs, our defenders play as individuals not as a team and our mids miss too many targets by foot.
Given the experience of the team and drafts positions that players were taken we
should be better.
Lucas just doesnt do it for me.........
I was willing to give him time but ....how much time do you give a skinny lightweight? He's no KPD or Fwd and he's been around long enough to show something??????
For mine, he's not imposed himself on a game like say a Buck's or Menzel have. I'm not saying that these 2 have made it but they show bits and pieces of what they "could" be. Lucas has shown me nothing to get excited about. :-\ :-\ I cant see what he offers???
Well pointed out, Buckley & Menzel have gone past him in leaps & bounds yet they have been at the club for less than half of the time.
The Eagles are only just going and let's be honest, they outplayed us for most of the game.
As others have said the best thing about the win was the belief that they could, and if Malthouse achieves nothing else then that belief is a big step forward.
If Yarran misses next week I think we'll be too undermanned to give Collingwood a close contest, if Carrazzo comes up it might even the ledger a little bit but we've somehow got to cover Swan and Pendlebury, although Warnock will have it easier next week so they'll have to worry about Murphy as well.
Great to see a couple of youngsters have a big hand in a win, it's been quite a while.
I too have given Lucas plenty of time and fought the battle for him on here but I thought his display against Footscray last week was abysmal. He has taken a step back from last year when in reality, he needed to take a big step forward.
Lucas just doesnt do it for me.........
I was willing to give him time but ....how much time do you give a skinny lightweight? He's no KPD or Fwd and he's been around long enough to show something??????
For mine, he's not imposed himself on a game like say a Buck's or Menzel have. I'm not saying that these 2 have made it but they show bits and pieces of what they "could" be. Lucas has shown me nothing to get excited about. :-\ :-\ I cant see what he offers???
Well pointed out, Buckley & Menzel have gone past him in leaps & bounds yet they have been at the club for less than half of the time.
Lucas is going fine IMO, he'll never be a world beater but no one has a team of A graders.
Sorry Carrots but we are 6th at best, 14th at worst and will probably end up around 10th, we still are too small at the contest and have too many that fade out of games. We still don't block well for Murphy and Gibbs, our defenders play as individuals not as a team and our mids miss too many targets by foot.
Added to that, we still don't have a full compliment of genuine key position players who can play both ends of the ground. All of the players who are remotely within the minimum size specs have key deficiencies in their game which will get badly exposed under the pressure of a final.
Also, we still have too many players with questionable disposal coupled with an inability to take the right option. When you have players who execute (option & disposal) wrongly under pressure, you are never going to be better than mid-table.
Lucas just doesnt do it for me.........
I was willing to give him time but ....how much time do you give a skinny lightweight? He's no KPD or Fwd and he's been around long enough to show something??????
For mine, he's not imposed himself on a game like say a Buck's or Menzel have. I'm not saying that these 2 have made it but they show bits and pieces of what they "could" be. Lucas has shown me nothing to get excited about. :-\ :-\ I cant see what he offers???
Well pointed out, Buckley & Menzel have gone past him in leaps & bounds yet they have been at the club for less than half of the time.
Lucas is going fine IMO, he'll never be a world beater but no one has a team of A graders.
So he was a first round pick in 2009, this is his 5th year and he's far from a walk up start. If he was a 3rd round pick he'd be delisted by now. The kid can play as he showed in 2010 but he's not mentally there.
The Eagles are only just going and let's be honest, they outplayed us for most of the game.
As others have said the best thing about the win was the belief that they could, and if Malthouse achieves nothing else then that belief is a big step forward.
If Yarran misses next week I think we'll be too undermanned to give Collingwood a close contest, if Carrazzo comes up it might even the ledger a little bit but we've somehow got to cover Swan and Pendlebury, although Warnock will have it easier next week so they'll have to worry about Murphy as well.
Great to see a couple of youngsters have a big hand in a win, it's been quite a while.
Disagree with this.
I've only watched the first half and we should have been 5 goals up at half time easily.
Sorry Carrots but we are 6th at best, 14th at worst and will probably end up around 10th, we still are too small at the contest and have too many that fade out of games. We still don't block well for Murphy and Gibbs, our defenders play as individuals not as a team and our mids miss too many targets by foot.
Added to that, we still don't have a full compliment of genuine key position players who can play both ends of the ground. All of the players who are remotely within the minimum size specs have key deficiencies in their game which will get badly exposed under the pressure of a final.
Also, we still have too many players with questionable disposal coupled with an inability to take the right option. When you have players who execute (option & disposal) wrongly under pressure, you are never going to be better than mid-table.
What has changed though? This was not us a few years back, the list really hasn't changed that much.
Lucas just doesnt do it for me.........
I was willing to give him time but ....how much time do you give a skinny lightweight? He's no KPD or Fwd and he's been around long enough to show something??????
For mine, he's not imposed himself on a game like say a Buck's or Menzel have. I'm not saying that these 2 have made it but they show bits and pieces of what they "could" be. Lucas has shown me nothing to get excited about. :-\ :-\ I cant see what he offers???
Well pointed out, Buckley & Menzel have gone past him in leaps & bounds yet they have been at the club for less than half of the time.
Lucas is going fine IMO, he'll never be a world beater but no one has a team of A graders.
So he was a first round pick in 2009, this is his 5th year and he's far from a walk up start. If he was a 3rd round pick he'd be delisted by now. The kid can play as he showed in 2010 but he's not mentally there.
I don't care where players get picked in the draft, he's getting a game and I've got confidence that under Malthouse senior games are earned.
His last quarter against Footscray was fantastic, no huge stats but he put his body in, really stood up when the team could have folded with two men down.
Maybe he'll fall off the pace and be a 50 or 60 game player but maybe he'll grab it and play for 10 years, time will tell.
His last quarter against Footscray was fantastic, no huge stats but he put his body in, really stood up when the team could have folded with two men down.
So we're praising him for doing what most players do naturally? For a quarter of football? After 5 years in the game? Says it all really.
His last quarter against Footscray was fantastic, no huge stats but he put his body in, really stood up when the team could have folded with two men down.
So we're praising him for doing what most players do naturally? For a quarter of football? After 5 years in the game? Says it all really.
I'm praising him for doing what he did, no more or less.
I could be wrong but I think it was Lucas who won the ball from a stoppage and dished off to Buckley for his famous goal late in last night's game as well.
I'm under no illusions about him, but every successful team needs a pool of 28 or 30 players who are capable at senior level, Lucas might be one of the players in the 22 - 30 group but those players are critical for success.
Great summary Ray but as others have mentioned, we should be 4-2. That would put us right up there for finals football.
...and the use of the word should is the difference between us being a finals side and where we actually are.
We should have kicked for goal better against Richmond and Melbourne
We should of played better in the last quarter against Port
Robbo and Bell should hit targets all the time
Warnock should be a dominant ruckman
Murphy should break tags..... and so on.
Sorry Carrots but we are 6th at best, 14th at worst and will probably end up around 10th, we still are too small at the contest and have too many that fade out of games. We still don't block well for Murphy and Gibbs, our defenders play as individuals not as a team and our mids miss too many targets by foot.
Given the experience of the team and drafts positions that players were taken we should be better.
Sorry, but attempting to argue that we could/should be 4-2 is erroneous. If you argue that, you could equally argue that the Dishlickers were down 2 key defenders which could have made the difference. You could also argue that the Weagles should have won due to this that and the other. In summary, you could equally argue 2 unlucky losses offset by 2 lucky wins.
2-4 is about right for us at this time.
We'll know our midfield is about right when blokes like Ellard, Lucas and Robinson are in the 25th to 31st bracket. Ditto Rowe, Casboult and White. Not in the 16-22 bracket as they are now.
I'm with the Tassie Devil on this one. An outstanding result for 2014 would be for us to sneak into the bottom of the 8. At this stage I think 9-12 is about right.
@B4L
Fair enough.
Great summary Ray but as others have mentioned, we should be 4-2. That would put us right up there for finals football.
...and the use of the word should is the difference between us being a finals side and where we actually are.
We should have kicked for goal better against Richmond and Melbourne
We should of played better in the last quarter against Port
Robbo and Bell should hit targets all the time
Warnock should be a dominant ruckman
Murphy should break tags..... and so on.
Sorry Carrots but we are 6th at best, 14th at worst and will probably end up around 10th, we still are too small at the contest and have too many that fade out of games. We still don't block well for Murphy and Gibbs, our defenders play as individuals not as a team and our mids miss too many targets by foot.
Given the experience of the team and drafts positions that players were taken we should be better.
Sorry, but attempting to argue that we could/should be 4-2 is erroneous. If you argue that, you could equally argue that the Dishlickers were down 2 key defenders which could have made the difference. You could also argue that the Weagles should have won due to this that and the other. In summary, you could equally argue 2 unlucky losses offset by 2 lucky wins.
2-4 is about right for us at this time.
We'll know our midfield is about right when blokes like Ellard, Lucas and Robinson are in the 25th to 31st bracket. Ditto Rowe, Casboult and White. Not in the 16-22 bracket as they are now.
I'm with the Tassie Devil on this one. An outstanding result for 2014 would be for us to sneak into the bottom of the 8. At this stage I think 9-12 is about right.
BULLcrap.
It was Melbourne FFS.
MELBOURNE!!!!!!!!!!!!
and they (Melb) played like crap as well.
We should be 4-2 no doubting that. Even the Port game with 3 tackles in the last quarter FML. At least we now have some hope which is all a supporter can ask for.
What has changed though? This was not us a few years back, the list really hasn't changed that much.
We have had more time to closely scrutinise the players, that's the big difference. We are expecting improvement over a handful of years yet our players keep making the same mistakes and have plateaued in their development.
We should be 4-2 no doubting that. Even the Port game with 3 tackles in the last quarter FML. At least we now have some hope which is all a supporter can ask for.
Hope is a great thing when supporting footy teams.
I hope that we put some serious things in place for next season as this season is gone, if you're not in the hunt for top 4 then it's a development year.
I hope that we get games into our young guys and that makes them hungry for more next season.
I hope that the club starts to show strong leadership off the field and trades, delists and recruits strongly.
I hope we beat Collingwood on Friday! >:D
Been a big critic but very very proud of the Skipper and Robbo. As for Jeffy and SOJ, I got a stiffy,
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously the appetite for the footy those two showed last night was incredible. Ferocious and dare I say it, a little bit of Ruthlessness.
I agree with you mate! I lolled pretty hard at the stiffy part ;D
Been a big critic but very very proud of the Skipper and Robbo. As for Jeffy and SOJ, I got a stiffy,
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Seriously the appetite for the footy those two showed last night was incredible. Ferocious and dare I say it, a little bit of Ruthlessness.
I agree with you mate! I lolled pretty hard at the stiffy part ;D
Cautiously... that's what I got from the win this week and last. It's growing. Look at the blokes who stood up at the death - fantastic to see kids like Menzel and SOJ take it upon themselves to grab a hold of the game in real heat. Ditto Jeffy and the Skipper. 206s effort, against huge odds, saw him take another step forward.
At the end of the day it's our recruitment that's murdered us. We've all stopped speaking about Bootsma as a possible defender because deep down we all know he ain't going to make it. And yet he was a first round draft pick.
I also think that Watson would be better as forward, but not much better. And given he's a first round draft pick, we should be expecting more.
Lucas is the best of that rubbish bunch. He's not bad and there's a 200 gamer somewhere hiding inside him. But I'm not convinced he will ever be consistent enough.
Under MM I think we've recruited better. But time will tell. The point is, if our list is shaky it's because our recruitment has been a joke.
The Eagles are only just going and let's be honest, they outplayed us for most of the game.
I felt that we controlled the first half and they controlled the 2nd half. Both sides kicked goals against the tide and we came out on top.
What has changed though? This was not us a few years back, the list really hasn't changed that much.
We have had more time to closely scrutinise the players, that's the big difference. We are expecting improvement over a handful of years yet our players keep making the same mistakes and have plateaued in their development.
I don't think we were making the same disposal errors a few years back.
I thought Rowe and White were quite good down back last night. Rowe in particular looking more at home with his role in defence as a key tall.
IMO, MM will build around some secure big blokes. More runners/mids/flankers will be brought into the club with better skills, particularly by foot.
I think Menzel is on his way to becoming my favourite player. Watching him live you can just tell he is a class above and would easily get a game for the Hawks or Cats.
Buckley again showed he has it what it takes and always takes the game on even when its on the line. One of the few that actually wants it.
Hendo also looks like he is getting some momentum now as a forward, Rowe also keeps keeping on but still not sure on that one.
All that said, I also think that there's only four genuinely good teams in the competition at the moment. Hawthorn, Geelong, Port and as much as it pains me, the Filth.
Essendon who all the pundits were crowing about haven't won a game since they gave us a flogging. They suffer a couple of injuries and they fall apart.
Sydney might come good when Reid and Tippett return, but at the monent they seem to be falling into wins and don't inspire confidence.
North is a more inconsistent side then we are. And yet they beat Freo at Pattersons. Which just goes to show how overrated Freo is.
Gold Coast will win a good chunk of their games at Metricon and therefore might make the 8. They have talent and Ablett is a God. But at the moment still a few years away from being a genuine contender.
Tigers - a team consisting mostly of spuds. Only their supporters think their a chance this year.
Adelaide our a workhorse team that will be better when Walker comes back, but they don't inspire either.
GWS, Bulldogs and the Saints will all fall back to the pack. And the Weagles showed how mentally fragile they are.
The point I'm making is that while were definitely no champions, far from it, we're not alone. If we keep racking up 70 odd tackles a game and play hard, run on football, and look like we give a cr@p, then we can match it with the above. Even with our list.
At the end of the day it's our recruitment that's murdered us. We've all stopped speaking about Bootsma as a possible defender because deep down we all know he ain't going to make it. And yet he was a first round draft pick.
I also think that Watson would be better as forward, but not much better. And given he's a first round draft pick, we should be expecting more.
Lucas is the best of that rubbish bunch. He's not bad and there's a 200 gamer somewhere hiding inside him. But I'm not convinced he will ever be consistent enough.
Under MM I think we've recruited better. But time will tell. The point is, if our list is shaky it's because our recruitment has been a joke.
Yep, spot on. Bootsma, Lucas and Blockhead Watson. All just dismal fails. I used to pay out on Ratts for not playing Lucas but it's quite easy to see why. Imagine we had picked up three gems instead? Darling, Talia and Brad Hill.
At the end of the day it's our recruitment that's murdered us. We've all stopped speaking about Bootsma as a possible defender because deep down we all know he ain't going to make it. And yet he was a first round draft pick.
I also think that Watson would be better as forward, but not much better. And given he's a first round draft pick, we should be expecting more.
Lucas is the best of that rubbish bunch. He's not bad and there's a 200 gamer somewhere hiding inside him. But I'm not convinced he will ever be consistent enough.
Under MM I think we've recruited better. But time will tell. The point is, if our list is shaky it's because our recruitment has been a joke.
Yep, spot on. Bootsma, Lucas and Blockhead Watson. All just dismal fails. I used to pay out on Ratts for not playing Lucas but it's quite easy to see why. Imagine we had picked up three gems instead? Darling, Talia and Brad Hill.
I mean you can say that hindsight is 20/20 and all that jazz, but since 2009 not a single player selected in our draft picks (not rookie) has made it. Obviously I have high hopes for Buckley who came in the crap show that is the 2011 draft, but fug me... if there was a spud to sniff out we found him.
North is a more inconsistent side then we are. And yet they beat Freo at Pattersons. Which just goes to show how overrated Freo is.
I don't think Freo are over rated, I think North is under rated.
I doubt they'll be top four but they beat Freo without their Captain (Swallow) and the players that tied in last year's B&F (Thompson and Wells).
It was a very good win, and they have some very good up and comers.
Not much to add - everyone has pretty much covered it.
Great win by the boys. Very happy for them.
Could've so easily gone the other way. We've possibly used up our season's quota of get-out-of-jail-free cards in one game.
We have had more time to closely scrutinise the players, that's the big difference. We are expecting improvement over a handful of years yet our players keep making the same mistakes and have plateaued in their development.
Agreed, although I was very happy with the win last nights game was a litany of errors by both sides.
In the end West Coast should have won by four or five goals but couldn't find the victory hole despite our attempts to highlight the way with neon signs, hooters, a guided tour, training videos and instruction manual! ;D
Our skills were still generally tripe, our thought process ordinary, and many posters here are clinging to one good act out of every ten as some sort of season turning revelation.
The only thing that has improved in the last three weeks is the work ethic and that cannot be sustained if the other things don't improve!
I think Menzel is on his way to becoming my favourite player. Watching him live you can just tell he is a class above and would easily get a game for the Hawks or Cats.
He is very good isn't he, all class....glad he fell to us at 12 or 13...hope his knees hold up (touch wood) ;)
Jack Darling's stomach must be feeling a little tender this morning.
;D Great call......found it amusing that he was close to their most ineffective yesterday. Egg on face much Jack? Be careful who you disrespect....
He is very good isn't he, all class....glad he fell to us at 12 or 13...hope his knees hold up (touch wood) ;)
I hate hearing the coaches say they want him to beef up, they haven't learned from the mistakes they made with SpecialK!
If they add three or four kilos to Menzel's upper body the load on his knees goes up by 40~60kgs when landing from a marking contest on a Etihad type hard surface! Like landing with Eddie Betts on your back! Not smart for a kid with knee problems!
...if you're not in the hunt for top 4 then it's a development year.
Adelaide Crows got 2 flags when they were 'not in the hunt'.
We can do all the things we need to do, blood the kids etc and still chase a finals berth. Don't throw the towel in too easily, it leads to mediocrity and something we went through under Pagan.
The players are starting to embrace the gameplan and know what to expect out of eachother now. They have lifted their intensity and are doing the team things that are required.
Hopefully they continue to do so.
But I thought we'd already embraced the gameplan last year?
Just watching Brendan Mccartney's interview from last week, he clearly thought we opened the game right up and caught his team off guard. The gameplan may be similar but it's definitely been tweaked. Mick has given some leeway to the players and they have responded. Well done.
The gameplan has changed (or been tweaked) at least twice since Malthouse has arrived and he's said as much. After 3 rounds last year was the first tweak.
As for McCartneys assessment, didn't see it myself, but there have been many on here, including myself, that have gone into detail on how changing putting in some extra effort can have drastically different results. Confidence and intent and a bit of luck has seen us go from 'the worst team in a decade' to 'a team on the rise'.
Simply put, players are running harder now and gaining the benefits from that, including an increase in confidence.
The Meltdown on the WCE BF forum is humorous.
Simply put, players are running harder now and gaining the benefits from that, including an increase in confidence.
Yep but IMO that can be attributed to being given more freedom.
Yep but IMO that can be attributed to being given more freedom.
I think that is the case as well, the lock down style wasn't working so the balance has shifted, clearly that is the case.
Look how well we played the lock down style in the last few minutes yesterday, it nearly cost us the match!
The lockdown/ultra defensive game plan is a myth.
We're the number 1 play on side this year. Number 1.
The lockdown/ultra defensive game plan is a myth.
We're the number 1 play on side this year. Number 1.
We have to play on, we cannot hit targets to get enough marks!
The lockdown/ultra defensive game plan is a myth.
We're the number 1 play on side this year. Number 1.
We have to play on, we cannot hit targets to get enough marks!
Nah, you're just completely wrong.
Nah, you're just completely wrong.
Like all people who don't agree with you! ;)
Number 1 play on side in the comp, it's not opinion.
Number 1 play on side in the comp, it's not opinion.
Goes hand in hand, poor foot skills equals play on, not rocket science!
It's cause and effect Neo!
Number 1 play on side in the comp, it's not opinion.
Goes hand in hand, poor foot skills equals play on, not rocket science!
It's cause and effect Neo!
Play on from marks you imbecile.
Play on from marks you imbecile.
Sideways, backwards, it's all good. ;)
Cause and effect, of using an Etch-A-Sketch for the game plan!
Yep but IMO that can be attributed to being given more freedom.
I think that is the case as well, the lock down style wasn't working so the balance has shifted, clearly that is the case.
Look how well we played the lock down style in the last few minutes yesterday, it nearly cost us the match!
Either we didn't play it at all or Robinson can't follow simple instructions.
Simply put, players are running harder now and gaining the benefits from that, including an increase in confidence.
Yep but IMO that can be attributed to being given more freedom.
What freedom could they have been given? Everyone has said the game plan has not changed. It is clear to everyone that they have increased their intensity, tackling, chasing, shepharding etc.
What is more plausible?
1. Malthouse has changed his gameplan (which should've seen us sitting at 2-2 except for some terrible kicking) to something that the players have been able to grasp in the space of 6 days and perform perfectly to get us a win over the dogs, and again over the eagles.
or
2. The players have pulled their finger out and finally started giving the effort required from a bunch of AFL footballers and are now getting results from that increase in intensity.
The simplest solution is usually the correct one. In this case its the latter.
I'd be very surprised if Watson isn't traded at the end of the year.
And yes, Rowe can mark. But he's too frightened to do so. We are 6 rounds in and have won two games. If he doesn't have a biit of confidence now, when will he get some?
Agree with everything written there.
Watson has this year to extract a digit, otherwise he'll go the same way as McCarthy & Mitchell.
Rowe is forced to do his bit due to the fact we don't have anyone else around to do so. He too will be a casualty come season's end.
I think Mick likes Rowe and we dont have anyone his size to play down back...Jamison cant play on the big monsters and Henderson needs to play forward.
Rowe is doing the job because we have no one else but he is doing it ok and if he stays in the seniors all season he might get another contract...like you and others
he gives me that uneasy feeling when contesting especially on the deck nut I reckon Watson will get the chop before Rowe does.
Simply put, players are running harder now and gaining the benefits from that, including an increase in confidence.
Yep but IMO that can be attributed to being given more freedom.
What freedom could they have been given? Everyone has said the game plan has not changed. It is clear to everyone that they have increased their intensity, tackling, chasing, shepharding etc.
What is more plausible?
1. Malthouse has changed his gameplan (which should've seen us sitting at 2-2 except for some terrible kicking) to something that the players have been able to grasp in the space of 6 days and perform perfectly to get us a win over the dogs, and again over the eagles.
or
2. The players have pulled their finger out and finally started giving the effort required from a bunch of AFL footballers and are now getting results from that increase in intensity.
The simplest solution is usually the correct one. In this case its the latter.
Well McCartney spoke openly about the way we played. If you want to just dismiss that because it contradicts your opinion so be it. As for me I've given my opinion and that's where it stays.
Numero uno.
Great return game by Robbo IMO, was really worried about him but has his spot. Simmo again shows he is the heartbeat or this clubut the win came on the back of an unbelievable game from the skipper, simply outstanding.
Buckley is going to be some sort of player, has lots of spunk and is exactly the attitude we miss. Him and Menzel will be good players over a long period for us.
Overall we were pretty awful for that third and most of the last quarter figured we were all but gone and I guess some unlucky shots from west coast helped but stirring stuff to see the team claw its way back into a game again.
Why was Dylan Buckley wearing a different jumper to the rest of the players ??
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Why was Dylan Buckley wearing a different jumper to the rest of the players ??
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Is that a serious question? :o
Do you own any relatively recent Carlton jumpers??
Try putting one on and turning the bottom part up...look in the mirror.
Why was Dylan Buckley wearing a different jumper to the rest of the players ??
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Is that a serious question? :o
Do you own any relatively recent Carlton jumpers??
Try putting one on and turning the bottom part up...look in the mirror.
Yep silly Sheiky! ;)
Seriously though what's not to love about this kid. Has Blue blood running through his veins and plays like it!!
Is that a serious question? :o
Do you own any relatively recent Carlton jumpers??
Try putting one on and turning the bottom part up...look in the mirror.
I'm a little old to be buying Carlton jumpers and yes, it was a serious question.
He looked like he was wearing something completely different to the rest of his teammates, it was like that for the whole game too.
Why was Dylan Buckley wearing a different jumper to the rest of the players ??
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Is that a serious question? :o
Do you own any relatively recent Carlton jumpers??
Try putting one on and turning the bottom part up...look in the mirror.
Look at Robbo in the back ground. He has the same strip poking through.
I expect it's just tape to stop the jumper rising up.
Why was Dylan Buckley wearing a different jumper to the rest of the players ??
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Is that a serious question? :o
Do you own any relatively recent Carlton jumpers??
Try putting one on and turning the bottom part up...look in the mirror.
Look at Robbo in the back ground. He has the same strip poking through.
I expect it's just tape to stop the jumper rising up.
It's not tape, its just the inside of the jumper.
If you turn the regular navy blue jumper inside out, you get something that looks like the white clash jumper from a few years ago. The inside of the jumper is white. The blue bits you see on the edge is due to the fact that the sides of the jumper have a different kind of stretchy fabric running along the sides under your arms, which you can clearly see on our white clash jumper below.
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Its no great mystery, its simply tucked up.
Why was Dylan Buckley wearing a different jumper to the rest of the players ??
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Is that a serious question? :o
Do you own any relatively recent Carlton jumpers??
Try putting one on and turning the bottom part up...look in the mirror.
Look at Robbo in the back ground. He has the same strip poking through.
I expect it's just tape to stop the jumper rising up.
It's not tape, its just the inside of the jumper.
If you turn the regular navy blue jumper inside out, you get something that looks like the white clash jumper from a few years ago. The inside of the jumper is white. The blue bits you see on the edge is due to the fact that the sides of the jumper have a different kind of stretchy fabric running along the sides under your arms, which you can clearly see on our white clash jumper below.
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Its no great mystery, its simply tucked up.
Not disputing it krudds because I really couldn't give a fark, but if Bucks jumper is turned upwards it should cover some of the CFC logo but it doesn't. Also the white on the clash strip looks nothing like the grey strip which does appear to be very much like the grey tape I have in my shed.
I know you shall dispute this with a Warren commission defence, but it would be good if someone could actually ask the club to get a definitive answer.
The definitive answer, is that Dylan's jumper has up turned a little bit at the bottom.
There is no mystery to solve. If you go to a shop, and put one on and do the same, it will look the same.
Its turned up, about an inch. It looks like more, because Dylan is only a little bloke.
Gees he looks a boy amongst men.
Clear sign he wants to be traded.
@Prof Slight but attacks like a beast, reminds me of Simmo actually.
Gees he looks a boy amongst men.
So did Ken Hunter and Robert Flower when they started!
Then again, watching a bunch of U18s at the weekend with the now rampant beard trend they all looked 35!
Clear sign he wants to be traded.
@Prof Slight but attacks like a beast, reminds me of Simmo actually.
His Dad was/is not a big bloke but he did OK. Didn't come much tougher.
Its not the size of the man, but the size of the fight in the man that counts.
Has agro, and is not afraid to tackle blokes bigger than him (went for Cox and Darling on saturday night without taking a backwards step and lets not forget him pushing Tyrone Vickery and even having a go at Goddard) against the Bombers.
Really like Buckley.
Menzel as well. Good to finally see some youngsters who take the game on in am aggressive manner. Even though they're good players, our early picks didn't really have that quality.
His Dad was/is not a big bloke but he did OK. Didn't come much tougher.
OK, just OK!!!!
FFS Jimmy was a star, on the field and at the bar!
His Dad was/is not a big bloke but he did OK. Didn't come much tougher.
OK, just OK!!!!
FFS Jimmy was a star, on the field and at the bar!
Whoa, steady on Tiger - don't you understand irony? ::)
Whoa, steady on Tiger - don't you understand irony? ::)
Can you teach me the punctuation for that?
Its turned up, about an inch......
Correction: 25mm or 2.5cm please. Imperial is a pet peeve.....
Its turned up, about an inch......
Correction: 25mm or 2.5cm please. Imperial is a pet peeve.....
2/3 of a kondylos, or the diameter of a shekel! ;)
Clear sign he wants to be traded.
@Prof Slight but attacks like a beast, reminds me of Simmo actually.
His Dad was/is not a big bloke but he did OK. Didn't come much tougher.
I was at the MCG in 1982, Richmond v Carlton, when he brilliantly coat-hangered our current coach. Ian Rice, our then President, proudly mentioned it at the B & F. Umpire Glen James, umpire that day and a guest at the B & F, got a good laugh, especially after Rice went "oops, forgot Glen was here".
Wasn't there also an incident involving the chief of the VRC at the spring carnival following one of the GF wins... say '82?
Whoa, steady on Tiger - don't you understand irony? ::)
Can you teach me the punctuation for that?
Don't have the time atm - but you could go and look up metallurgy though. ;)
Its turned up, about an inch......
Correction: 25mm or 2.5cm please. Imperial is a pet peeve.....
How tall are you Brettie?
;-)
Don't give them an inch Brettie or they'll take a bloody mile....you can bet a shilling on it. :D
Don't give them an inch Brettie or they'll take a bloody mile....you can bet a shilling on it. :D
GOLD.
Its turned up, about an inch......
Correction: 25mm or 2.5cm please. Imperial is a pet peeve.....
How tall are you Brettie?
;-)
Let's hope that's what he's measuring...
Its turned up, about an inch......
Correction: 25mm or 2.5cm please. Imperial is a pet peeve.....
25.4mm, sorry couldn't resist, its the engineer in me.
Its turned up, about an inch......
Correction: 25mm or 2.5cm please. Imperial is a pet peeve.....
How tall are you Brettie?
;-)
Let's hope that's what he's measuring...
Speaking of not being able to resist G2C......:))
Mick's from the coach video this week is interesting. Bit of incite into how he rates the players. Made special mention of the "not considered in the star category" players, Rowe, Buckley, Casboult, white and Lucas.
Mick's from the coach video this week is interesting. Bit of incite into how he rates the players. Made special mention of the "not considered in the star category" players, Rowe, Buckley, Casboult, white and Lucas.
Can't find it.
Got a link?
Members email From the Coach. Should be available tomorrow I think.
Cheers goat!
I think he just does the video now, doesn't he?
That's what I got tonight.