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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #75 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Not going to bother with singling out players or coaches, you simply don't win games of footy with a goalless qtr let alone two.

You sure don't GTC.  I can see a hectic trade season coming up.  As for your comment on Cera / SPS trade, yes ... amongst others.  Off topic, but Daicos impressed me.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #76 –
Quote from: capcom on
You sure don't GTC.  I can see a hectic trade season coming up.  As for your comment on Cera / SPS trade, yes ... amongst others.  Off topic, but Daicos impressed me.


Daicos found a lot of space which we didn't respect, he used his pace to hurt to us.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
Great points Prof, I do believe though that Fisher does possess much better natural evasive and footwork skills than Paddy, not to say Paddy cant add that string to his bow.

Fisher did have half a season playing  senior football in Perth for Perth  in 2016 which helped him craft his game.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #78 –
Quote from: townsendcalling on
Fisher did have half a season playing  senior football in Perth for Perth  in 2016 which helped him craft his game.
Agree but I still reckon that aspect of his game (dancing evasive feet) he had as a young kid.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #79 –
There are a lot of players who look good when their team is in front and winning. The real test of a player's worth is when its tough and they are behind just like yesterday's game. These players put their hand up in the clinches and really "want it", they are desperate for a win.

Sadly, there were more than a few of our lads who didn't "want it" enough and in turn, have to be questioned as to whether they are genuinely up to the standard required to win premierships.

Yes, there are plenty still with their trainer wheels on but that isn't an excuse for a lack of skills & "never say die" attitude.

Extremely disappointing & embarrassing performance in the second half, I hope Teague stripped paint off the walls in his spray at them for that effort.
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #80 –
I thought for a moment that we did well, generally, against a hardened finalist until analysing where that finalist was at... ordinary form and missing a few key personnel. Then it became clear... if we were fair-dinkum we should have accounted for this mob also considering all that was at stake. We're still a fair way off being a bona fide finalist. We're about where we deserve to be.

The Good:
Zachery... quick and creative, personally much prefer him in the midfield
Setterfield's development... plus his tackles stick. Has a footy brain/IQ
Walsh... leader
Weitering... leader
Jones... fair-dinkum effort and attitude
Curnow's consistency & reliability
We have definitely improved on previous years - much better %, in more games, no more hidings.

The Bad:
Midfield - forward line connect... it's as if they speak different languages or are playing different games. Rottingwood was there for the taking but their breathtaking confusion was telling and cost us, and was a joy to behold for Buckley. The talent is there, they just don't seem to understand each other!
Our in-game inconsistency was on glorious display... 7 goal 1st half, SFA in the 2nd half.

The Sad:
Casboult's form... such a confidence player. Woeful contribution, or lack thereof
H. So much talent but seemingly clueless between the lugholes
Pittonet's 'pavement paws' when trying to mark
Cripps. Looks like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and in some ways, he is. Banged up body, trying to do too much, goal kicking yips and Mon back in Melbourne. Too often you could see Crippa just jogging between contests... might be lots of justification, but it aint good enough and sets a bad example. Harsh to say, but true.
Murphy's hesitancy. Too much waiting for the ball to come to him, though he did try the facts are he can no longer 'create' what he used to be able to 'create.' Another year? Who will he keep out? Money could be better spent elsewhere?
Simmo. Still better than too many - and he shouldn't be. Time has caught up with him
Doc's drop in confidence. Effort is sure there, but seems confused at critical moments...
That we still play Gibbons out of position
That we lack creativity from the coaching box on game day
That our stubbornness to stick with too many talls, remains (TDK & Meat rucking, means Kennedy (for example) could have come in for Pitto). Such a lack of balance.

All in all, we're improving but yesterday against Rottingwood was a shocker and a poor reflection of the capability of our group - well, most of them. Rottingwood applied enormous pressure in the 3rd and we didn't cave... didn't do anything else, but didn't cave in. As for the 4th...

Finals might be a distant dim light now, but we still have 4 games remaining to give development and hope and finish the season on a high... we need to do this to convince potential suitors that we're going somewhere and that investing their lives with us would be a good decision. I'm optimistic about the remainder of the season.

Let's get some ruthlessness into the place, especially into the coaching group. How do we get Hodge into the place and some of the hangeron-erers out? We're still too nice. And I would seriously consider a mentor for Teague.

(Intentionally didn't say anything about Dow or Polson. Neither has played senior footy for a long time and it's a big jump into the seniors from this makeshift Magoos competition).
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #81 –
They all had a shocker ala the last 3 quarters against the Hawks....

Zac Williams is a priority - way ahead of Papley. Papley is icing on the cake....

Many 'moments' again - TDK's 'mark (well, a free for arm chopping) not paid just on the HT siren.

Martin not taking a shot.

Tall forwards missing 95% of marks. in good conditions.

All over, too many, even in H1 trying to be cute. Ball movement was slow and predictable. And nothing changed all day.

We made them look good - they are ordinary (bar a few).

Teague - 2/10 - picking Dow and Polson. Is Kennedy still injured? Cuners played in the 2s.

Moves on the day?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #82 –
ps Jack Martin 10 disposals - needs a rocket.

Play him in the midfield for a whole bloody game.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #83 –
I doubt Martin is up to a full midfield rotation, I suspect it would break him rather than fix him and doing that stuff only interferes with the regular midfield group.

Is he ever going to be more than that player who give 5 min here and there?

To me he looks exactly that type of 5 minute player, a guy who has tricks and kicks 3 in a quarter and then you don't see him again, they are hard to find and you have to have one or two of them but they never give you 4 quarters.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #84 –
Martin has got comfy and gone back to his GC form....not enough ball and lazy disposal.
No plan B down forward....Casboult and McKay didnt have a size advantage like they usually do and we bombed the ball to them and they couldnt out mark Moore and Roughead.
Who ever played on Crisp should be dropped for their refusal to man him up, think we are the worst team for manning up in the comp, reckon the Pies unconstested marking stats would be high.
Cripps needs a rest, he is shot, couldnt get away from an old timer in Pendles and his kicking is worse every week...
We were lazy in the coaching box, on the field and it cost us...

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #85 –
Agreed EB....but Cripps' disposal by foot has never been a strong point....which makes it even harder to comprehend that we haven't drafted or targeted elite ball users over the last few years. We simply don't have enough of them in our team. I know McKay and Levi had quiet games but it must be frustrating to have the ball put over your head or 5 feet in front of you....or direct to an opposition player so often.
 

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Baggers on
I thought for a moment that we did well, generally, against a hardened finalist until analysing where that finalist was at... ordinary form and missing a few key personnel. Then it became clear... if we were fair-dinkum we should have accounted for this mob also considering all that was at stake. We're still a fair way off being a bona fide finalist. We're about where we deserve to be.

The Good:
Zachery... quick and creative, personally much prefer him in the midfield
Setterfield's development... plus his tackles stick. Has a footy brain/IQ
Walsh... leader
Weitering... leader
Jones... fair-dinkum effort and attitude
Curnow's consistency & reliability
We have definitely improved on previous years - much better %, in more games, no more hidings.

The Bad:
Midfield - forward line connect... it's as if they speak different languages or are playing different games. Rottingwood was there for the taking but their breathtaking confusion was telling and cost us, and was a joy to behold for Buckley. The talent is there, they just don't seem to understand each other!
Our in-game inconsistency was on glorious display... 7 goal 1st half, SFA in the 2nd half.

The Sad:
Casboult's form... such a confidence player. Woeful contribution, or lack thereof
H. So much talent but seemingly clueless between the lugholes
Pittonet's 'pavement paws' when trying to mark
Cripps. Looks like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and in some ways, he is. Banged up body, trying to do too much, goal kicking yips and Mon back in Melbourne. Too often you could see Crippa just jogging between contests... might be lots of justification, but it aint good enough and sets a bad example. Harsh to say, but true.
Murphy's hesitancy. Too much waiting for the ball to come to him, though he did try the facts are he can no longer 'create' what he used to be able to 'create.' Another year? Who will he keep out? Money could be better spent elsewhere?
Simmo. Still better than too many - and he shouldn't be. Time has caught up with him
Doc's drop in confidence. Effort is sure there, but seems confused at critical moments...
That we still play Gibbons out of position
That we lack creativity from the coaching box on game day
That our stubbornness to stick with too many talls, remains (TDK & Meat rucking, means Kennedy (for example) could have come in for Pitto). Such a lack of balance.

All in all, we're improving but yesterday against Rottingwood was a shocker and a poor reflection of the capability of our group - well, most of them. Rottingwood applied enormous pressure in the 3rd and we didn't cave... didn't do anything else, but didn't cave in. As for the 4th...

Finals might be a distant dim light now, but we still have 4 games remaining to give development and hope and finish the season on a high... we need to do this to convince potential suitors that we're going somewhere and that investing their lives with us would be a good decision. I'm optimistic about the remainder of the season.

Let's get some ruthlessness into the place, especially into the coaching group. How do we get Hodge into the place and some of the hangeron-erers out? We're still too nice. And I would seriously consider a mentor for Teague.

(Intentionally didn't say anything about Dow or Polson. Neither has played senior footy for a long time and it's a big jump into the seniors from this makeshift Magoos competition).

Notice Levi's form's dropped off since we started playing 2 rucks? Always has in the past. He's a forward/ruck not a forward per se. When he gets a run in the ruck he gets confidence from getting his hands on the ball. He carries that confidence then back to the forward line. As a forward, in a low scoring scrappy season with crappy delivery, it makes with very tough for all our forwards.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #87 –
Quote from: WASurfer on
Agreed EB....but Cripps' disposal by foot has never been a strong point....which makes it even harder to comprehend that we haven't drafted or targeted elite ball users over the last few years. We simply don't have enough of them in our team. I know McKay and Levi had quiet games but it must be frustrating to have the ball put over your head or 5 feet in front of you....or direct to an opposition player so often.
Surfie...Cripps looks tired when he kicks like he has no energy, maybe the off field stuff with his GF is weighing him down.
Harry and Levi  have been used to outmarking smaller players one on one and needed to demand the ball more on the lead rather than encouraging our mids just to bomb it everytime....maybe that was a coaching issue.
Teague seemed paralyzed in the box and couldnt think his way through problems in this game...

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 14: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #89 –
Must admit, things was better than it was mid last year. I just like the fact we are still talking finals, even if we miss out, rather than the no.1 pick. Make a big change!