Carlton Supporters Club

Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: townsendcalling on September 25, 2019, 02:41:02 pm

Poll
Question: Who will you be barracking for on Saturday?
Option 1: Richmond votes: 2
Option 2: GWS votes: 21
Option 3: Don't Care......Carlton are not in it! votes: 7
Option 4: Paul Kelly votes: 0
Option 5: What game? votes: 1
Title: Who Will You Support?
Post by: townsendcalling on September 25, 2019, 02:41:02 pm
Fascinated to know how people are thinking.  Many isolated comments made, good to see the collective!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: cookie2 on September 25, 2019, 02:43:23 pm
Of academic interest only for me. Don't really want to see either team win.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: sandsmere on September 25, 2019, 03:14:13 pm
GWS.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Baggers on September 25, 2019, 03:53:17 pm
I'll probably support GWS or as I prefer to call them, AFL 4 (AFL 1 is Sydney, AFL 2 is Brisbane, AFL 3 is GCS and AFL 4 is GWS - the four sides artificially inflated through AFL support).

Hopefully if AFL 4 win then the AFL will stop bending over backwards to help them and will finally focus their unfair assistance on their last remaining project, AFL 3 (GCS).

Oh for a level playing field.

Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: percy on September 25, 2019, 04:16:53 pm
Injuries...
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: crashlander on September 25, 2019, 06:46:04 pm
Injuries...
  >:D  >:D  >:D  >:D
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: crashlander on September 25, 2019, 06:47:14 pm
I couldn't support Richmond, even though I think they will win. They are a bunch of thugs and have been for years. I haven't forgiven them for 1973 yet.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: laj on September 25, 2019, 07:05:52 pm
Doesn't matter either way to me. Might barrack for GWS as they haven't got one but not bothered. Just hope to see a good game.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: capcom on September 25, 2019, 07:14:16 pm
Toby (head like a racing tadpole) Greene and Gillon McLachlan ... so Richmond

Won't watch more than 20 minutes anyway
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Lods on September 25, 2019, 07:43:27 pm
Not fussed either way as to the result.
But I am looking forward to the game...and the possible carnage.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 25, 2019, 07:51:41 pm
Cant support Richmond, liked Leon Cameron as a player so I hope GWS do the right thing and knock the Tigers over.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 25, 2019, 07:54:22 pm
GWS for me, Nthmond fans are already unbearable, they reckon it's in the can!!!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: madbluboy on September 25, 2019, 08:15:46 pm
Giants.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 25, 2019, 08:29:07 pm
GWS 3000%

And reckon they'll win. Tigers way over hyped....
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on September 25, 2019, 09:00:18 pm
Go Giants!

But cold hard logic says Richmond by 12 goals, unless ... Mumford does a ’Balme’.  Now THAT I would like to see and it would go some way to assuage the lingering disgust from 1973.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: DJC on September 25, 2019, 09:09:15 pm
I can’t bring myself to support an interstate team and particularly one that has profited at our expense  >:(

I still have flashbacks to the opening minutes of the 1973 Grand Final and the shocked hush among the crowd when Fowler poleaxed Big Nick, but I think I can tolerate a Tigers win ... at the expense of GWS and the AFL.

Lynch has been a massive addition to the Tigers’ list, and I think that he will be the difference.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: wooof on September 26, 2019, 12:55:16 am
GWS for me, then a SOS can put a $800k 5 year deal on the table for one Lachie Whitfield, in return for P8 2nd round 2021.

The kid has a flag, GWS has the money to keep Jezza, and the low range picks for their accademy kids this year and next.

Win-win-win
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: bmaurizio on September 26, 2019, 01:35:53 am
Absolutely rooting for GWS,  great for the competition a fairytale come true a young team.
Great story for the AFL at long last. Although wining 3 games in a row and to win at G against the tigers, very difficult.
But my gut feel is an upset is brewing. Go Giants
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Thryleon on September 26, 2019, 08:42:39 am
You know what I will never get my head around?

How anyone states we should support the victorian side.

State politics is irrelevant in team sports.  Let GWS win now whilst we arent good enough to contend, and we can knock them off later.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: kruddler on September 26, 2019, 08:51:05 am
You know what I will never get my head around?

How anyone states we should support the victorian side.

State politics is irrelevant in team sports.  Let GWS win now whilst we arent good enough to contend, and we can knock them off later.

Its generally from the older people who grew up with State of Origin being huge.

"Kick a Vic" rings alarm bells.

However, state of origin is long gone and now its all about damage control for supporters who don't have a team in the GF. Better to go for someone which won't give you the $h!ts for the next 12 months, hence interstate sides with no fan base to annoy you.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: DJC on September 26, 2019, 11:47:45 am
You know what I will never get my head around?

How anyone states we should support the victorian side.

State politics is irrelevant in team sports.  Let GWS win now whilst we arent good enough to contend, and we can knock them off later.

It’s easy Thry ... unless the opposition is Essendon  ;)

One of the shocks I received when I did military service was the vitriol directed to Victorians from those from other states.  South Australians and Western Australians were the worst, but New South Welshmen (they were all male  :) ) and Queenslanders were involved too.  Since then, I have disliked sporting teams from WA, SA, NSW and QLD in that order and in any sport.  NSW jumps a few spots when it comes to cricket. 

A couple of good mates are Tigers supporters and I know that they won’t gloat for more than a week.  That to me is preferable to the gloating that we have to suffer from the Gloch and the pain of seeing Toby Greene with his mitts on the cup.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Lods on September 26, 2019, 12:17:09 pm
It's very 'Statist' argument. ;D
I saw a statistic once... I think it was in one of the annual magazines, that suggested a huge number of Carlton supporters actually lived outside of Victoria

For a vast number of those, myself included, we don't really give much thought to the Victorian aspect of the club.
Sure that's where the foundations of the club are, and Melbourne is where they play their home games.
But to us it's not Carlton /Victoria...it's just Carlton.
Truth is if you ran a line down the great players of the club some of our very best are non-Victorians.
A Carlton/Victoria v a Carlton/Rest of Australia would probably be a fair contest although the Vics probably have an edge... SOS v Kernahan would be a good match up....not sure how he'd go on Jezza though.

So if we're not involved as a club in a Grand Final for a lot of us there's no strong bond to support the Victorian side.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 26, 2019, 12:51:32 pm
It's very 'Statist' argument. ;D
I saw a statistic once... I think it was in one of the annual magazines, that suggested a huge number of Carlton supporters actually lived outside of Victoria

I believe as recently as two years ago we were still the most widely supported team in the country, Carlton's problem was that with so many supporters outside of Victoria we were not capable of converting high percentages to memberships. However, I think the most recent survey lists Sindney, Filth, Carlton in that order, but the Sindney figures are supported by rugby league fans who claim to support Sindney as their second side. The Filth have picked up a large growth in following in the Northern Territory, I suppose it's a popular destination for escapees!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Tragic on September 26, 2019, 03:59:18 pm
A couple of good mates are Tigers supporters and I know that they won’t gloat for more than a week.

Makes them better than Essenscum supports.  I had the inglorious pleasure of spending the entire day with a bomber mate for 93 GF.  He still bangs on about it.  Makes me want to vomit.

Tigers supporters are ok, they spent so long in the wilderness they developed some humility, and we developed some pity for them.  They might say the same thing about us when we finally snag another flag.

Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Blueboy_Benny on September 26, 2019, 05:26:06 pm
The only time I'd want Richmond to win a GF would be if they were playing either the Filth or the Drug Cheats. Since that's obviously not the case, hopefully GWS have another win left in them.

As for those of you who want Richmond to win, obviously you've forgotten how the feral scum stood and cheered when Kouta did his ACL against them in the 2001 semi - just an ar$e wipe of a club - I sincerely hope that Mumford collects a few scalps on Saturday.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 26, 2019, 06:22:00 pm
The only time I'd want Richmond to win a GF would be if they were playing either the Filth or the Drug Cheats. Since that's obviously not the case, hopefully GWS have another win left in them.

As for those of you who want Richmond to win, obviously you've forgotten how the feral scum stood and cheered when Kouta did his ACL against them in the 2001 semi - just an ar$e wipe of a club - I sincerely hope that Mumford collects a few scalps on Saturday.

You can add what Neil Balme did to Geoff Southby and what that did to Southby as a player still riles me, could never support a Richmond team in any game.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: flyboy77 on September 26, 2019, 08:52:06 pm
You can add what Neil Balme did to Geoff Southby and what that did to Southby as a player still riles me, could never support a Richmond team in any game.

Knights got Kouta that game?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 08:51:22 am
You can add what Neil Balme did to Geoff Southby and what that did to Southby as a player still riles me, could never support a Richmond team in any game.

Yep, anyone who saw that can't feel anything but the same, it's like those suggestions we bring Balme to Carlton!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 27, 2019, 11:27:05 am
Yep, anyone who saw that can't feel anything but the same, it's like those suggestions we bring Balme to Carlton!

re: Balme:...the old saying goes  "A drowning man will cling onto a Serpent"....lets hope we never get that desperate. >:(
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: PaulP on September 27, 2019, 12:41:04 pm
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-great-robert-walls-accuses-collingwood-football-club-of-dishonesty-backs-neil-balme/news-story/44eb5f7692d1228abf37168f43544987

“I’m really disappointed because Neil Balme is one of the best football people you’ll ever come across,” Walls said.

“He did a sterling job at Collingwood years ago, went down to Geelong, and now they do this.

“I am going to throw a couple of bricks at Collingwood. One, for telling us blow flies (lies), and two, for making life hard for Neil Balme.”

Walls also said he expects Balme to be highly sought after if he rejects Collingwood’s offer.

“Where one door closes, another opens,” he said.

“Wherever Balmey ends up, it will be very much to that club’s good fortune.”


Early onset dementia ?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 01:22:23 pm
Early onset dementia ?

No, but from a different era, all was fair game but not all thought so!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: laj on September 27, 2019, 01:31:21 pm
You can add what Neil Balme did to Geoff Southby and what that did to Southby as a player still riles me, could never support a Richmond team in any game.

I long got over it. Southby has no issues with Balme either. I could handle Balme at Carlton if that were to theoretically happen.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: PaulP on September 27, 2019, 01:35:08 pm
No, but from a different era, all was fair game but not all thought so!

His hit on Southby was a dog act in an era full of dog acts, some of which were perpetrated by those in Navy Blue.  I'd pay double the going membership fee to have a quality operator like him at the club. If he's not helping us win a flag, he's helping some other mob. The past can't be changed. Chest thumping and holding grudges won't change the past and won't help us now.

Balme or Brad Lloyd ? Jesus.................
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 01:47:13 pm
His hit on Southby was a dog act in an era full of dog acts, some of which were perpetrated by those in Navy Blue.  I'd pay double the going membership fee to have a quality operator like him at the club. If he's not helping us win a flag, he's helping some other mob. The past can't be changed. Chest thumping and holding grudges won't change the past and won't help us now.

Balme or Brad Lloyd ? Jesus.................

Where do you draw the line, at Whatever it Takes, I've heard that before!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: PaulP on September 27, 2019, 01:54:11 pm
Where do you draw the line, at Whatever it Takes, I've heard that before!

No, not whatever it takes. I'm not suggesting anything illegal or immoral. I understand there are many CFC supporters who detest Balme, and in a way I do as well. But if Walls can forgive him, and he was actually there, the rest of us should take stock and understand that sometimes if you want to improve, you simply have to move on from the past. Trying to show that you're real Navy Blue by hating on Balme 46 years after the fact is good for populists, but not convincing for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 01:59:42 pm
No, not whatever it takes. I'm not suggesting anything illegal or immoral. I understand there are many CFC supporters who detest Balme, and in a way I do as well. But if Walls can forgive him, and he was actually there, the rest of us should take stock and understand that sometimes if you want to improve, you simply have to move on from the past. Trying to show that you're real Navy Blue by hating on Balme 46 years after the fact is good for populists, but not convincing for the rest of us.

I think that is very oversimplified, like forgiving Clarkson or Milburn, some might even think Dangerfield tunnelling of Judd wasn't just an accident!

I suppose it is how you judge individual incidents, what the legacy of those events were, some would argue Balme should have been charged by police and probably would be in modern times!

Gaff might have been lucky not to be charged, if the incident had been judged purely on events he probably should have been charged.



There is no room in the game for this stuff, having kids and their friends who play at a high level makes me acutely aware of it. I'm not sure time qualifies as a medium for forgiveness, I'm not sure time heals all wounds, if it does why isn't Jack or Fev back, has Judd turned the other cheek?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: PaulP on September 27, 2019, 02:05:50 pm
I think that is very oversimplified, like forgiving Clarkson or Milburn, some might even think Dangerfield tunnelling of Judd wasn't just an accident!

I suppose it is how you judge individual incidents, what the legacy of those events were, some would argue Balme should have been charged by police and probably would be in modern times!

I don't think it's oversimplified at all. Many on here would fall over themselves if Clarkson was our coach, but Balme is a no go zone. Why ? Because with Clarkson you can directly connect success with the person, but with Balme you can't ? Because Southby was and is a favourite son and a club champion, and Ian Aitken was a bit of a nobody ? Because the Battle Of Britain was on foreign soil ? What's the difference ?

If you cross off your list every opponent who has ever wronged a Carlton player, what's left ?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 02:09:23 pm
I don't think it's oversimplified at all. Many on here would fall over themselves if Clarkson was our coach, but Balme is a no go zone. Why ? Because with Clarkson you can directly connect success with the person, but with Balme you can't ? Because Southby was and is a favourite son and a club champion, and Ian Aitken was a bit of a nobody ? Because the Battle Of Britain was on foreign soil ? What's the difference ?

If you cross off your list every opponent who has ever wronged a Carlton player, what's left ?

Your debating the extreme using inclusive language, many does mean every, all or the majority, and nobody is suggesting every player who wronged Carlton is a no go, just look at Diesel and The Hyphen history!

But I think Balme's and Clarkson's acts were a reasonable point of demarcation for many!

What about Bootsma, if he surfaces a decade from now as a potential super-coach/administrator, is he forgiven?

I wouldn't rule out Hodge for what he did to sMurph, or Ziebell for what he did to Simmo, because to me they are acts of extreme brutality face on and at the fringe of fairness. Like the Mumford tackle Wallsy blew up about a few weeks back. These are things that heal in time, not like what Balme did, Clarkson did or Bootsma is accused of!
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: PaulP on September 27, 2019, 02:18:31 pm
Your debating the extreme using inclusive language, many does mean every, all or the majority, and nobody is suggesting every player who wronged Carlton is a no go, just look at Diesel and The Hyphen history!

But I think Balme's and Clarkson's acts were a reasonable point of demarcation for many!

What about Bootsma, if he surfaces a decade from now as a potential super-coach/administrator, is he forgiven?

There's little point in getting tripped up over a couple of minor words. You know full well the point I'm trying to make.

Every person on this planet has the potential for redemption, and the potential to learn from past mistakes and not repeat them.  Every single one. But first they have to want redemption, and second they must know how to achieve it. If Bootsma can do both those things, then yes, why not ?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 02:25:11 pm
There's little point in getting tripped up over a couple of minor words. You know full well the point I'm trying to make.

Every person on this planet has the potential for redemption, and the potential to learn from past mistakes and not repeat them.  Every single one. But first they have to want redemption, and second they must know how to achieve it. If Bootsma can do both those things, then yes, why not ?

Are there are some things that have no possible reparation, and without reparation is there still the possiblity of redemption, or even with reparation is there certainty of redemption?

Some might consider Bootsma's alleged acts beyond reparation in any frame of reference, I suppose this also raises the debate of the equality of voice. It would seem to me in that relative frame of reference we are not all equal, and the decision to open the door to the redemption of Balme might be Southby's alone as the sole person who has probably earned the right of veto, Walls or our opinions mean nothing!

What about contrition, has Balme offered any, is that the first step?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: PaulP on September 27, 2019, 02:34:10 pm
Are there are some things that have no possible reparation, and without reparation is there still the possiblity of redemption, or even with reparation is there certainty of redemption?

Some might consider Bootsma's alleged acts beyond reparation in any frame of reference, I suppose this also raises the debate of the equality of voice. It would seem to me in that relative frame of reference we are not all equal, and the decision to open the door to the redemption of Balme might be Southby's alone as the sole person who has probably earned the right of veto, Walls or our opinions mean nothing!

That first sentence is a philosophical / theological question well beyond my limited understanding of the subject, and well beyond the scope of a footy forum.

I dare say Walls has spent plenty of time with Southby over the years, and would know much better than us what Geoff really thinks.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: LP on September 27, 2019, 02:36:11 pm
I dare say Walls has spent plenty of time with Southby over the years, and would know much better than us what Geoff really thinks.

Yet it is still not his or our decision.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 27, 2019, 09:23:57 pm
I long got over it. Southby has no issues with Balme either. I could handle Balme at Carlton if that were to theoretically happen.

Geoff Southby is a nice bloke who doesnt want to drag up old painful memories IMHO and I think his depression medication
wont allow him to hate either, just my take on things..
Balme could never bring himself to properly apologize either, just blamed his actions on the times when footy was more violent, yep great footballer administrator but an ordinary human being and I wouldnt allow him anywhere near my football club no matter how bad things were.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: cookie2 on September 27, 2019, 11:17:30 pm
Better Tiger Balme than a fly in the ointment at Carlton eh EB?
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: Thryleon on September 27, 2019, 11:30:26 pm
The article that Paul quoted is from a few years ago.


Balme left Collingwood went to Richmond in 2017.


Ironically there's been lots of arguing for no good reason.
Title: Re: Who Will You Support?
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on September 27, 2019, 11:39:31 pm
Better Tiger Balme than a fly in the ointment at Carlton eh EB?

Working the room well Cookie  8), more like "I’m Balmey the Fly Straight from rubbish tip to you"...borrowing a line from the old Mortein ad and showing my
age at the same time. :-X