This game is a curtain raiser to the Carlton vs St Kilda game. It gives us a chance to peruse the kids.
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The team won't line up anything like this: the 4 guys that make the senior interchange have to come out yet. However, the team is not looking too bad.
Then again, it could be considerably stronger if more players were fit.
Up by 16 pts at half time. Live on Ch7. Kerr has a couple, as does Owies. Setterfield getting a few touches too.
Getting smashed here.
Pathetic effort in the third. Just not working hard enough.
O’Brien??? Why
Polson, Garlett, Lebois usual non performers. None have body or Brain or the ability to make it. All hacks.
All 3 must be cut at years end. Enough chances.
McCreddie, setterfield and O’Brien are next on the chopping block if they don’t improve. Miles off at this stage. Can’t believe all 3 played in the firsts last week. :o
Lang Kerr cottrell our best.
that's a poor, poor 3rd quarter...
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Lachie OBrien 8 touches.
FMD it’s like they just don’t GAF
O’Brien 8 touches at this level and reckon lucky if 2 of them were clean to a target. Gone backwards
O’Brien 8 touches at this level and reckon lucky if 2 of them were clean to a target. Gone backwards
terrible waste of a top 10 pick....
goal!
still 4 goals behind...
11points down!
5 minutes (odd) to go...
all over. one crappy quarter....sound familiar?
Disappointing display considering the start.
Our young players are one paced and lack urgency. Too soft and just don’t work hard enough, add in very average disposals and bloody hard to win many games.
Lang and Kerr were solid.
Interesting what the commentators were saying how the Blues ball delivery fell apart under pressure - this happens to all sides but particularly at Carlton. You see the same in the senior's as well. That and the lack of run and pressure at the opposition ball carrier. Fix those and you have a much better side.
Phillips was effective, but he wouldn't be able to do that at AFL level (just taking the ball out of the ruck unopposed at will).
Only turned it on halfway through the last quarter. Just in time to see Kerr kick his 3rd....and apparantly end a 9 goal run put on by Sandy.
In fact, i don't think Sandy kicked a goal from that point on. I Shouldn've turned it on earlier ;)
LeBois running into goal 30m out and spraying it under little pressure was criminal.
He half made up for it 1 minute later with a quick snap out of a pack, but if he can't kick the 1st one, he doesn't deserve to be on a list.
Still struggling to understand how he is actually still there.
Were there any emergencies who didn't play?
We didn’t get the game up here in Darwin, but how did Kai Owens (55) from Sandi do ?
Sandringham 2.2-14 4.4-28 10.5-65 12.8-80
Northern Blues 5.2-32 7.2-44 7.6-48 10.9-69
Like the seniors, not enough being done by too many players.
NORTHERN BLUES
Goal Kickers: P. Kerr 3, M. Owies 2, K. LeBois 2, D. Lang, W. Setterfield, K. Keppel
Best Players: M. Blakey, D. Lang, W. Setterfield, S. Fisher, H. Goddard, K. LeBois
I find the best players totally perplexing. Definitely not the way I saw things. Mind you, I only got there at half time. Andrew Phillips and Matthew Lobbe were so dominant in the ruck that it wasn't funny, with Phillips being the better or the two. LeBois did a couple of nice things, but just didn't do enough to get a mention. Lang was OK, but when we needed our mids to lift in the 3rd quarter, he was nowhere to be seen. Setters was quiet. Blakey was good, but not not that good. Fisher disappointed today: he was ordinary when we needed him most. Goddard was reasonable, and Kerr was dangerous.
SANDRINGHAM
Goal Kickers: S. Fox 3, M. King 2, K. Answerth, K. Owens, B. Seccull, N. Hind, D. Armitage, J. Haidon, B. Rice
Best Players: H. Clark, N. Coffield, D. Armitage, K. Answerth, S. Gilbert, K. Owens
I've seen this before Lods, they are listing the players they want to promote, like they are pumping up their tyres to try and build some confidence!
But that game was broadcast, and we can all see the report is bullcrap, Lang is a wash-out!
If we ever trade with the Handbaggers again supporters should burn the joint to the ground!
I've seen this before Lods, they are listing the players they want to promote, like they are pumping up their tyres to try and build some confidence!
But that game was broadcast, and we can all see the report is bullcrap, Lang is a wash-out!
If we ever trade with the Handbaggers again supporters should burn the joint to the ground!
Have to disagree with you on that call, Spotted One. I thought Lang, particularly in the first half showed some very encouraging dash and confidence. Deserved being mentioned in the best players. Setterfield, however...
I didn't get to see it Baggers. Did Lang show any physicality? Tackles? Did he win his own footy, or just get fed on the outside?
He did get his own ball and broke tackles to break into the open. He did this a good few times early on. Showed confidence.
Setterfield seemed to get into the action but his disposal was woeful.
Sandringham 2.2-14 4.4-28 10.5-65 12.8-80
Northern Blues 5.2-32 7.2-44 7.6-48 10.9-69
Like the seniors, not enough being done by too many players.
NORTHERN BLUES
Goal Kickers: P. Kerr 3, M. Owies 2, K. LeBois 2, D. Lang, W. Setterfield, K. Keppel
Best Players: M. Blakey, D. Lang, W. Setterfield, S. Fisher, H. Goddard, K. LeBois
I find the best players totally perplexing. Definitely not the way I saw things. Mind you, I only got there at half time. Andrew Phillips and Matthew Lobbe were so dominant in the ruck that it wasn't funny, with Phillips being the better or the two. LeBois did a couple of nice things, but just didn't do enough to get a mention. Lang was OK, but when we needed our mids to lift in the 3rd quarter, he was nowhere to be seen. Setters was quiet. Blakey was good, but not not that good. Fisher disappointed today: he was ordinary when we needed him most. Goddard was reasonable, and Kerr was dangerous.
SANDRINGHAM
Goal Kickers: S. Fox 3, M. King 2, K. Answerth, K. Owens, B. Seccull, N. Hind, D. Armitage, J. Haidon, B. Rice
Best Players: H. Clark, N. Coffield, D. Armitage, K. Answerth, S. Gilbert, K. Owens
Sadly the third qtr wasn't a reflection of the first half. So many of the blokes who were working hard and doing well in the first half went missing in the third qtr in particular. Schumacher deserved a mention in the better players.
He did get his own ball and broke tackles to break into the open. He did this a good few times early on. Showed confidence.
Setterfield seemed to get into the action but his disposal was woeful.
Setterfield has a go and puts himself in the action but isnt pretty to watch, he needs game time to tune his disposal under pressure.
I couldnt work out why he was dropped when we knew Cripps would have Steele and Dunstan on him all day, neither of them are pretty players and Setterfield could have
been a good assistant for Cripps, Kennedy needs more game time too but I'd look to play him off half back and use the good kicking Newman in a more attacking role
further up the ground.
Bloody hell the Fasolo experiment has been an abject failure - just a joke
Bloody hell the Fasolo experiment has been an abject failure - just a joke
Doesnt look interested, reckon he is struggling with his mental health issues and it might be better for him to retire.
Doesnt look interested, reckon he is struggling with his mental health issues and it might be better for him to retire.
Looks very slow and lacks the cat like reflexes and long kicking that made him so hard to stop. Pies have really handed us some turkeys with Mcguane, Thomas and now Fazzy boy. Scotland excepted!
I didn't get to see it Baggers. Did Lang show any physicality? Tackles? Did he win his own footy, or just get fed on the outside?
They dont all have to be physical beasts.
We just need someone who can get it and hurt teams on the outside without having to sacrifice on the inside.
Bloody hell the Fasolo experiment has been an abject failure - just a joke
I didn't see the last game but he played very well in last week's game. He was an effective midfielder, got important possessions in defence and kicked goals when they were needed. I was a little surprised that he didn't get a call up.
I wouldn't write him off just yet.
I thought Lang, particularly in the first half showed some very encouraging dash and confidence.
A teasing show of talent from time to time from Lang.
Phillips still shows enough to suggest he could develop into an AFL ruckman.
Kerr gets some goals, as usual, but I haven't seen enough to suggest he could be effective at AFL level. He can mark cleanly in his hands but only on his own or on the lead; he is not a good contested mark. He might develop but, ATM, Casboult has more to offer.
Kerr gets some goals, as usual, but I haven't seen enough to suggest he could be effective at AFL level. He can mark cleanly in his hands but only on his own or on the lead; he is not a good contested mark. He might develop but, ATM, Casboult has more to offer.
I think Casboult has Kerr covered aerobically, and there is no point debating marking relative to Casboult as with McKay they are probably the two best in the league. But Kerr does far more bullocking type work around the football and leads in better patterns and to better places.
If McGovern is not fully fit then they should give Kerr a go. What they do with Casboult is a hard question for when Jones returns.
If McGovern is not fully fit then they should give Kerr a go. What they do with Casboult is a hard question for when Jones returns.
Whilst kreuzer is first ruck casboult will get a game.
Kreuzer is simply unreliable. I wager he was playing hindered on Sunday. I noted cripps took a few ruck contests in forward 50.
Kreuzer is simply unreliable. I wager he was playing hindered on Sunday. I noted cripps took a few ruck contests in forward 50.
He'll play the remainder of the season hindered.
I postulated at the time he'd done an abductors or iliopsoas muscle, I've no reason to change that perception. You can play with them injured but you can't static jump or quickly change direction as you lose a significant amount of power through the hips. And you do not heal in just a week off, so he'll be significantly less dynamic and there is no doubt that is the case at the moment!
He'll play the remainder of the season hindered.
I postulated at the time he'd done an abductors or iliopsoas muscle, I've no reason to change that perception. You can play with them injured but you can't static jump or quickly change direction as you lose a significant amount of power through the hips. And you do not heal in just a week off, so he'll be significantly less dynamic and there is no doubt that is the case at the moment!
I think you're right on the money LP.
I think you're right on the money LP.
Unfortunately, I only know this from first hand experience, it particularly hits older fast bowlers at cricket who lose power in the deliver stride to jump and pivot! :(
A lot of clubs will report it as OP(Like Joe Daniher), primarily to stop opposition players working on the weakness, you have no strength or resistance to being bumped off the ball from one side.
I think we reported it as a corky causing a running gate issue.
I think Casboult has Kerr covered aerobically, and there is no point debating marking relative to Casboult as with McKay they are probably the two best in the league. But Kerr does far more bullocking type work around the football and leads in better patterns and to better places.
Kerr is a true forward and way more physical.....agree he leads better and just has more idea how to play a forward KP plus is a way better kick.
Casboult is earning his money at the minute but I remain unconvinced about him in any position to be honest...
Kerr is a true forward and way more physical.....agree he leads better and just has more idea how to play a forward KP plus is a way better kick.
Casboult is earning his money at the minute but I remain unconvinced about him in any position to be honest...
It's fair enough, as you know I'm as big of a Levi critic as you will find, but I have to concede a couple of things;
A - He's been good in recent weeks.
B - He bleeds Navy Blue!
My biggest concern with Levi down back, is I'm dreading he will clean up one of our own as collateral damage, I don't want Cripps or Walsh floating back into his space!
For the VFL watchers. That's 2 or 3 times (depends on who is counting) that we have overlooked Sam Fisher.
Is he just not up to it?
Kerr is a true forward and way more physical.....agree he leads better and just has more idea how to play a forward KP plus is a way better kick.
Casboult is earning his money at the minute but I remain unconvinced about him in any position to be honest...
We need to really work on decongesting our forward line - it's like a train platform at Spencer Street at 5pm. :-[
For the VFL watchers. That's 2 or 3 times (depends on who is counting) that we have overlooked Sam Fisher.
Is he just not up to it?
Games I have seen this season he hasnt been at his best, missed targets and been ineffective. Not overly robust and you are getting a similar type to LOB the way is playing at the minute.
Deluca is a better contested player, tackles well for a smaller player and has more edge to his game IMO.
For the VFL watchers. That's 2 or 3 times (depends on who is counting) that we have overlooked Sam Fisher.
Is he just not up to it?
Nobody else wanted him either, so I imagine the general opinion is " he is not up to it ".
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The stats are damning: when it was necessary to step up, very few guys did. Setterfield and Lang may have dominated early in the piece, but their opponents put in 4 quarters. We missed Tom Wilson badly: his grunt in the middle and ability to get 30+ possessions, providing leadership while he does it, was a critical missing piece.
However, it was the guys like Garlett (7 possessions), Macreadie, Polson, et al that let us down. These guys are capable of doing better, but are not showing it.
How Phillips, Lobbe and Kerr didn't get in the best in front of a few of those names, but specifically LeBois staggers me. From the limited amount i saw, they dominated and LeBois stuffed up a bit
How Phillips, Lobbe and Kerr didn't get in the best in front of a few of those names, but specifically LeBois staggers me. From the limited amount i saw, they dominated and LeBois stuffed up a bit
How Lebois got offered another contract staggers me....
How Lebois got offered another contract staggers me....
I haven't heard a single good reason from anyone to justify that......or any reason to try and justify that.
I haven't heard a single good reason from anyone to justify that......or any reason to try and justify that.
To think we could have had Bolton or Pickett or many others...mystifying.
As are the Cotterill (sp?) and Finbar picks rally.
Imagine giving up Mitch Robinson and Jeffy Garlett for nothing.
Robinson and Cripps in the engine room would protect the youngsters.
Garlett settles Small forward issue.
Imagine giving up Mitch Robinson and Jeffy Garlett for nothing.
Robinson and Cripps in the engine room would protect the youngsters.
Garlett settles Small forward issue.
Robbo was undervalued as a player and overated as a problem.....late to mature but Brisbane got the best of him,
2 x B&F's isnt it? Robbo played for the jumper,I remember Gibbs contacted a Essendon player late just before half time in a game and Robbo jumped in front of Gibbs to protect him against the mongol hordes of red and black seeking vengeance. Gibbs vacated and left Robbo to fly the flag...
Imagine giving up Mitch Robinson and Jeffy Garlett for nothing.
Robinson and Cripps in the engine room would protect the youngsters.
Garlett settles Small forward issue.
Garlett has been poor to average. He had 6 disposals on the weekend. 5 goals for the year. Some chance we can have him back as a delisted free agent. Hardly the answer.
Robbo was undervalued as a player and overated as a problem.....late to mature but Brisbane got the best of him,
2 x B&F's isnt it? Robbo played for the jumper,I remember Gibbs contacted a Essendon player late just before half time in a game and Robbo jumped in front of Gibbs to protect him against the mongol hordes of red and black seeking vengeance. Gibbs vacated and left Robbo to fly the flag...
To be fair none of us know the extent of the off the field stuff.
To be fair none of us know the extent of the off the field stuff.
Greg Swann who was CEO with us and then Brisbane would have known all about Robbo's off field history,
didnt seem to stop him picking him up.
Martin Pyke won four flags and wouldnt have been an entrant in choir boy of the year but you need a few rough diamonds
to make a football team and we have over done it with the choir boys IMO.
to make a football team and we have over done it with the choir boys IMO.
Yes, it's another form of list imbalance, as I sit here watching Matty Parker beat us up on the replay!
Setterfield has a go and puts himself in the action but isnt pretty to watch, he needs game time to tune his disposal under pressure.
I couldnt work out why he was dropped when we knew Cripps would have Steele and Dunstan on him all day, neither of them are pretty players and Setterfield could have
been a good assistant for Cripps, Kennedy needs more game time too but I'd look to play him off half back and use the good kicking Newman in a more attacking role
further up the ground.
Agree with all this mate.
Newman to a wing to pin the ball inside forward 50 more often. He's creative and can win lots of the ball.
Setterfield I'd play as a genuine inside mid at AFL level. Think he, and Davey Cuningham, can find their way through traffic really well. When Setterfield plays at AFL level, he seems on the outside of the contest, or at half-forward way too much. He's a natural inside ball winner with great touch and hands IMO.
Agree keep Kennedy in the team.
Some of the players need new challenges, roles, tasks.
Could someone like Fisher, and/or SPS, spend more time across half-back?
Newman to a wing to pin the ball inside forward 50 more often. He's creative and can win lots of the ball.
In the absence of Jones, Daisy and Simmo is it wise to move Newman, that leaves us very inexperienced inside D50?
I'd be running Setterfield in F50, in form he is a genuine contested mark equal to if not better than Weitering. Certainly a better F50 target than Cripps or SoJ!
In the absence of Jones, Daisy and Simmo is it wise to move Newman, that leaves us very inexperienced inside D50?
I'd be running Setterfield in F50, in form he is a genuine contested mark equal to if not better than Weitering. Certainly a better F50 target than Cripps or SoJ!
There are so many configurations to experiment with - I like the idea of Setterfield across HF, Curnow to a wing, Casboult at CHB and Jones on the other wing. Cripps would certainly have the support he needs around stoppages.
I'm ok with trying new things if the old ones aren't working but getting our forwards to lead might help more than moving Charlie out of there.
Also no more than two men up, everyone else should be getting front and square.