I expect a reasonable crowd at this one. I will try to get near the bench again so I can hear what goes on.
I expect a reasonable crowd at this one. I will try to get near the bench again so I can hear what goes on.
I'll look out for you!
I should be there if things go to plan :)
I'll look out for you!
No worries. I'll be in a Blue suit: I'm coming straight from work.
I wouldn't expect anything less from a Blues Brother.
Big Harry is putting on a show. Bad luck the winds playing havoc with some of his kicks for goal.
Caught up with Baggers, Amers and RiverRat; what a crew 8)
No sign of Crash in his blue suit.
Tiggers win by 22 pts, pretty good considering we gave them a 6 goal start! Awful first qtr. Our blokes had a real problem kicking for goal at the southern end due to the wind.
Worried: Gus Sheehan, who was playing well, didn't reappear after half time.
Graham was probably our best. Palmer did his job.
Good news: Harry McKay, finally saw him in full flight. Actually took ahold of the game in the 3rd qtr. Covered a lot of ground taking marks on the wing as well as up forward. Looked really good.
Encouraging: Silvagni, Polson, Kerr, Fisher,
Jaksch was okay when he could run straight at the aggot. Jones took some very good grabs, more stuff for his highlights reel.
Concerned: Cuningham. He did some really impressive, creative things including the steal of the century which resulted in a goal. Great disposal. But then he lets himself down with a lack of intensity, poor defensive skills and has the questionable gift of going missing whilst on the field!
JGM, very average.
Buckley, so so.
Korcheck, the big fella laid some really impressive tackles... but dropped some easy marks...
Sumner, ordinary.
Great report Baggers. Thank you.
Hope Gussy is OK.
Concerned: Cuningham. He did some really impressive, creative things including the steal of the century which resulted in a goal. Great disposal. But then he lets himself down with a lack of intensity, poor defensive skills and has the questionable gift of going missing whilst on the field!
....and thats why Daisy was picked instead of him tonight.
Effort and defensive pressure gets you games. He needs to lift in this area.
and Daisy's effort and intensity is senior standard? Really?
and Daisy's effort and intensity is senior standard? Really?
Its streets ahead of some of the blokes playing VFL.
See Cuningham, Boekhorst, Jaksch, Jones, Sumner, Graham...
Graham was hard at it today, don't worry about that. If only he could bring his VFL form to AFL level. In fact there might be a senior player or two, based on tonight's effort, who could be replaced by Graham and even Palmer! I also don't think you could question the effort from Jones and Jaksch today.
Rubbish. Coughed up multiple goals with handling errors, kicked atrociously around the ground, applied zero tackling pressure and so slow he couldn't run out of sight on a dark night. He might try harder than some of the kids in the VFL but what he does is utterly ineffective thus it is a complete and utter waste of time continuing to play him at senior level.
Rubbish. Coughed up multiple goals with handling errors, kicked atrociously around the ground, applied zero tackling pressure and so slow he couldn't run out of sight on a dark night. He might try harder than some of the kids in the VFL but what he does is utterly ineffective thus it is a complete and utter waste of time continuing to play him at senior level.
When people handball it to
you the ground you are going to have handling issues. Murphy cost us that goal, not Daisy.
Daisy had 5 I50's, a goal and a goal assist. Was far from the worst bloke out there.
Rewatch the last few minutes of the game. Tigers running the ball on the near side wing, tight to the boundary. I forget who it was but there was some carlton bloke jogging along behind him and the ball. Daisy comes flying past him to put the pressure on. Doesn't get a stat, but gives effort 100% of the time.
That's why he is in the side. To show the kids effort is unconditional.
Nobody is saying he is still a gun footballer. He is paid more than he should be, but that is not Daisys fault. Judge him on what he does on the ground, not his paycheque.
@Baggers...
VFL form doesn't translate to AFL form.
I'm talking effort at AFL level. All those players i've mentioned have put in terrible efforts at AFL level in terms of body language and effort.
An over the top goal, whoopdy do.
He got pinged for chucking it, don't see how that wasn't his fault. Should have the strength to protect the ball enough to get rid of it correctly.
Watch the last quarter again, he was insipid. He ran around chasing kicks while tiger half forwards ran around doing whatever they wanted. Two of the inside 50's were dreadful, one was a meaningless 15 yard kick oton a bloke's head, the other was a finger breaking mongrel bomb. Worthless. Both got rebounded instantly.
His ball use ATM is criminally bad.
So he got a few stats early, the truth is that his effectiveness was zero.
He got pinged for chucking it, don't see how that wasn't his fault.
When you get a fist on the ball, and the ump doesn't see it. That's how its not his fault. Even the commentators pointed that out.
His ball use ATM is criminally bad.
Rated 10/22 for disposal efficiency. Yet single him out why don't you.
Does 10/22 mean 45% on target or 10th best out of 22 ?
Either way it's not good enough for a senior player, apparently a leader, on big coin.
Face it Kruddler, he's cooked and shouldn't be out there.
Having watched both games, I thought that Cuningham's effort, defensive pressure, disposal effectiveness and impact was well ahead of what Thomas produced. I'd have Graham ahead of Thomas too, despite his limitations.
Palmer was another player who, while not really standing out, did his job and was composed (as you would expect).
Worried: Gus Sheehan, who was playing well, didn't reappear after half time.
I watched Sheehan walk off at half time. He had changed into the T-shirt top that the blokes who didn't play in the first half were wearing, didn't have any ice or strapping, still had his boots on and wasn't limping or in obvious pain or distress. My thoughts were that he was only scheduled to play in the first half. Hopefully, I'm right.
Harry McKay will significantly impact games in 2 years time.
When people handball it to you the ground you are going to have handling issues. Murphy cost us that goal, not Daisy.
Daisy had 5 I50's, a goal and a goal assist. Was far from the worst bloke out there.
Rewatch the last few minutes of the game. Tigers running the ball on the near side wing, tight to the boundary. I forget who it was but there was some carlton bloke jogging along behind him and the ball. Daisy comes flying past him to put the pressure on. Doesn't get a stat, but gives effort 100% of the time.
That's why he is in the side. To show the kids effort is unconditional.
Nobody is saying he is still a gun footballer. He is paid more than he should be, but that is not Daisys fault. Judge him on what he does on the ground, not his paycheque.
@Baggers...
VFL form doesn't translate to AFL form.
I'm talking effort at AFL level. All those players i've mentioned have put in terrible efforts at AFL level in terms of body language and effort.
With Kruds on this, if part of this process is to show the younger players what's required to achieve success at senior level, from preparation to on field effort Daisy would be ahead of many. Unfortunately the ability he once had had been ravaged by injury, but obviously the club see's that effort as part of the group showcase for the younger players. Playing Graham, Jones, etc it's been done , they might grab some extra numbers at times more than Daisey but ultimately no more part of the future, but if Daisey can impart a skill set to the younger brigade showing disaplne & attitude , would rather that that some one picking up a few more stats in a game or two. It's about the journey
Caught up with Baggers, Amers and RiverRat; what a crew 8)
No sign of Crash in his blue suit.
I was around, sitting next to the race our players came out. I have to do a better job of being visible.
I was around, sitting next to the race our players came out. I have to do a better job of being visible.
In fact, I was sitting just a few seats away from Stephen Silvagni and the rest of the Carlton people. However, they were very quiet. I used to learn a lot from listening to David Parkin bellowing at the players from the sidelines. SOS barely spoke a word.
I watched Sheehan walk off at half time. He had changed into the T-shirt top that the blokes who didn't play in the first half were wearing, didn't have any ice or strapping, still had his boots on and wasn't limping or in obvious pain or distress. My thoughts were that he was only scheduled to play in the first half. Hopefully, I'm right.
Phew. Pretty sure you'd agree that he played well until he left the ground.
Cuningham is a conundrum. I agree with you that his skills and offensive game is first rate, but can't agree re defensive game, he does tackle well but too often he gives up in heat. Case in point was right in front of us when contesting for an overhead mark and when he realised his opponent was better positioned he made no effort to spoil, just gave up. He does this kind of stuff repeatedly. And then he'll go missing, just vanish off the face of the earth! We don't need another 'cameo' midfielder. His work needs to be on consistency/concentration. The abilities are there in spades, but between the ears is another story.
Phew. Pretty sure you'd agree that he played well until he left the ground.
Cuningham is a conundrum. I agree with you that his skills and offensive game is first rate, but can't agree re defensive game, he does tackle well but too often he gives up in heat. Case in point was right in front of us when contesting for an overhead mark and when he realised his opponent was better positioned he made no effort to spoil, just gave up. He does this kind of stuff repeatedly. And then he'll go missing, just vanish off the face of the earth! We don't need another 'cameo' midfielder. His work needs to be on consistency/concentration. The abilities are there in spades, but between the ears is another story.
I reckon he needs a lot more time yet Baggers.
The coaches will be working with him pretty closely . He did show some good signs last year.
In fact, I was sitting just a few seats away from Stephen Silvagni and the rest of the Carlton people. However, they were very quiet. I used to learn a lot from listening to David Parkin bellowing at the players from the sidelines. SOS barely spoke a word.
I was in the next bay for the first half Crash. I noticed SOS and Bolts in deep conversation.
I did notice someone in a blue suit but it was Bear Gleeson :)
I reckon he needs a lot more time yet Baggers.
The coaches will be working with him pretty closely . He did show some good signs last year.
I really do hope you're right. I hope it is just immaturity. He needs to be far more disciplined. I saw him playing for the NBs same time, same game last year and the difference/improvement was not enough, but the season is early and I hope he really learns to get some intensity, desperation and consistency because there is so much natural talent there. Sort of bloke that might need 'tough love.'
There were things to like about Buckley. He did a reasonable job in defence and produced some really good runs. However, his biggest sin is the sin of omission: he just doesn't get the ball enough. There was a period when he got really made a move from deep defence to deep attack, but the last kick didn't hit the target. He had a couple of possessions and got around half a dozen Tigers like they were witch's hats.
Caught up with Baggers, Amers and RiverRat; what a crew 8)
No sign of Crash in his blue suit.
It was good to see you guys! It's always nice to be able to put a face to a name!
A good summary Baggers, Mackay was the obvious standout. Polson and Fisher probably the next
best of the young guys, still a way off senior selection I would imagine though.
Of the older guys, A. Slivagni did his job well, took several good marks, Jones took a couple of good grabs, but drifts out of the game too often, Sumner very quiet, Buckley was running around looking for cheap disposals, Boeky I hardly noticed, Palmer was better than most, Cunningham has some amazing skills, what's missing is something between the ears, if he can get that right.....!!
I was actually more impressed with a couple of the NB boys than many of the senior listed players. Number 11 and 20 both had a real dip I reckon, I have no idea who they were?! Crash?
Neither do I yet. There was no sheet with numbers that the clubs did not print off, so I was not privy to that information. But there were some good signs.
We were smashed in the middle, even though Polson and Fisher looked promising. Maric took control, and Richmond got the ball forward. We basically counter-attacked for the whole game (and turned it over). Our kicking was goal was positively faecal.
Liam Jones did some very nice things, but he frustrates with his kicking.
Harry McKay should have had 7 or 8 goals. He took good marks and had shots, but keep missing.
The whole team was guilty of that. I couldn't count the number of out on the fulls - just too many of them, including 3 in a row at one point.
As suggested in another thread, Alex Silvagni could be the saviour ... for the NBs.
His experience really showed and he stopped many of Richmond's attacks. He also didn't hesitate to throw his weight around when things got a little willing. I think that he will do very well in the NBs and will be able to pass on the benefit of his experience to the younger boys.
I can't see him getting a run with the seniors unless we lose a couple of defenders to injury.
Neither do I yet. There was no sheet with numbers that the clubs did not print off, so I was not privy to that information.
Given that the club made an effort by emailing members about the practice match and posting the list of players in the squad, it would not have taken much more thought to provide numbers with that list. >:(
Graham was probably our best. Palmer did his job. Both are triers who give consistent effort and play up to their available ability.
Good news: Harry McKay, finally saw him in full flight. Actually took ahold of the game in the 3rd qtr. Covered a lot of ground taking marks on the wing as well as up forward. Looked really good. Showed why he was drafted.
Encouraging: Silvagni, Polson, Kerr, Fisher - agreed but I wouldn't expect the 3 youngsters to push for senior selection in the next few weeks.
Jaksch was okay when he could run straight at the aggot. He appears to be a lead-up forward who can take a mark (or a free kick) when the ball is well delivered - not so much of that at Ikon Oval ATM.
Jones took some very good grabs, more stuff for his highlights reel. Has the leap to take a turn in ruck, which he did, so he could get some senior games in a similar role if injuries demand it.
Concerned: Cuningham. He did some really impressive, creative things including the steal of the century which resulted in a goal. Great disposal. But then he lets himself down with a lack of intensity, poor defensive skills and has the questionable gift of going missing whilst on the field! Not quite so concerned: I like his ball handling, anticipation and disposal skills; he can also tackle but is not a spontaneous defensive player (could be coached) and appears skittish if required to make any sort of contest when the ball is in the air.
JGM, very average. About right.
Buckley, so so. Should do much more.
Korcheck, the big fella laid some really impressive tackles... but dropped some easy marks... Is a better tap ruckman than Setanta (very low bar) but inferior in all other respects.
Sumner, ordinary. Good impression of the invisible man.
Also Boekorst - yet to live up the the standard set by Kane Lucas.
Also Boekorst - yet to live up the the standard set by Kane Lucas.
Man, you're wicked - so light, its almost gossamer.
Also Boekorst - yet to live up the the standard set by Kane Lucas.
:)) :)) But he does have something that was missing from Lucas - man bun! ;) ;)
re: Cunningham....pulls the handbrake on if he thinks he is going to be contacted hard, is that what we are saying?
I wasnt at the game but his attack on the footy was questioned lasts seaosn if I remember right and thats something you usually can fix...
Also Boekorst - yet to live up the the standard set by Kane Lucas.
:))
Like it!
re: Cunningham....pulls the handbrake on if he thinks he is going to be contacted hard, is that what we are saying?
As far as my observations are concerned, his apparent timidity seemed to be largely limited to overhead marking contests. He either loses his bearings or doesn't want to risk getting crunched with the end result being that he doesn't actually make it a contest.
IIRC Murphy was not so different in his early days and, whilst he is still not a massive threat overhead (definitely not in the Kade Simpson category), he at least puts his body on the line since he gained strength and experience; maybe Sneaky Bacon will make similar improvements.
As far as my observations are concerned, his apparent timidity seemed to be largely limited to overhead marking contests. He either loses his bearings or doesn't want to risk getting crunched with the end result being that he doesn't actually make it a contest.
IIRC Murphy was not so different in his early days and, whilst he is still not a massive threat overhead (definitely not in the Kade Simpson category), he at least puts his body on the line since he gained strength and experience; maybe Sneaky Bacon will make similar improvements.
Thanks for that RR....Cunningham is a player we need to make it IMO and I wasnt disappointed in his debut last season, reckon his issues could be fixed by more senior footy where he might feel less inclined to pull out
of hard marking contests on the senior stage....
Thanks for that RR....Cunningham is a player we need to make it IMO and I wasnt disappointed in his debut last season, reckon his issues could be fixed by more senior footy where he might feel less inclined to pull out
of hard marking contests on the senior stage....
Not a complete package as yet but he has the skills to give me hope.
When people handball it to you the ground you are going to have handling issues. Murphy cost us that goal, not Daisy.
Daisy had 5 I50's, a goal and a goal assist. Was far from the worst bloke out there.
Rewatch the last few minutes of the game. Tigers running the ball on the near side wing, tight to the boundary. I forget who it was but there was some carlton bloke jogging along behind him and the ball. Daisy comes flying past him to put the pressure on. Doesn't get a stat, but gives effort 100% of the time.
That's why he is in the side. To show the kids effort is unconditional.
Nobody is saying he is still a gun footballer. He is paid more than he should be, but that is not Daisys fault. Judge him on what he does on the ground, not his paycheque.
@Baggers...
VFL form doesn't translate to AFL form.
I'm talking effort at AFL level. All those players i've mentioned have put in terrible efforts at AFL level in terms of body language and effort.
The player he ran past was White, say no more... ::)
When people handball it to you the ground you are going to have handling issues. Murphy cost us that goal, not Daisy.
Daisy had 5 I50's, a goal and a goal assist. Was far from the worst bloke out there.
Rewatch the last few minutes of the game. Tigers running the ball on the near side wing, tight to the boundary. I forget who it was but there was some carlton bloke jogging along behind him and the ball. Daisy comes flying past him to put the pressure on. Doesn't get a stat, but gives effort 100% of the time.
That's why he is in the side. To show the kids effort is unconditional.
Nobody is saying he is still a gun footballer. He is paid more than he should be, but that is not Daisys fault. Judge him on what he does on the ground, not his paycheque.
@Baggers...
VFL form doesn't translate to AFL form.
I'm talking effort at AFL level. All those players i've mentioned have put in terrible efforts at AFL level in terms of body language and effort.
Love the committed defense of Daisy there.
He strikes me as someone who is desperately trying to make up for his complete and utter lack of general AFL footballing ability by chasing hard.
At the end of the day it's time to move on from Daisy / White / Dennis.
Love the committed defense of Daisy there.
He strikes me as someone who is desperately trying to make up for his complete and utter lack of general AFL footballing ability by chasing hard.
At the end of the day it's time to move on from Daisy / White / Dennis.
x2...wont be this season though.....
Love the committed defense of Daisy there.
He strikes me as someone who is desperately trying to make up for his complete and utter lack of general AFL footballing ability by chasing hard.
At the end of the day it's time to move on from Daisy / White / Dennis.
Is there anything wrong with that?
He wouldn't be the first bloke who lacked ability (through injury or otherwise) and made a name by trying his guts out.
I'm not suggesting we should keep daisy on next year. In fact, its definitely in our best interests that he goes if his body can't be fixed.
But, that doesn't mean he isn't of use to us this year.
@ RiverRat you're funny.
Cunningham, sneaky bacon, sly pig ;D
Great report Baggers. Thank you.
Hope Gussy is OK.
Not mentioned in Macca's injury update. I hope that's good news :-\