Not unless their form improves. They are important players for our midfield structure, but neither is near their best just at the moment. Curnow has been ordinary now for weeks. Carrots hasn't been able to shut guys down as well at the moment, but he is getting quite a few clearances. His form is considerably better than Curnow's at the moment.
We cannot drop Carrazzo ahead of Curnow or Ellard, because it would be rewarding Ellard and Curnows poor form both who have been far less influential than Carrazzo, it sends the wrong messages!
Do you even watch VFL football, follow pre-season, or read about other teams?
If you did you would know Hardwick had named Hampson for Nthmond's No.1 ruck role for this season, just a day before he rolled his ankle in their last practise match.
Further you will be disappointed to hear he was named BOG for Nthmond in their match against Coburg today.
But please keep telling us how much better our ruck division is now, we are smoking them!
GODDARD , i am sure he said something about our club when he crossed to ess,so its time to make his 250 miserable,i dont want to see bj carried of the ground with a smile ,go blues
Who needs to go back that far, think of what the faker did last season against us!
Curnow is a really interesting case, because he looks fit and based on his game style you would think fitness should equate to form. Has he been worked out by the opposition?
For me Ed Curnow is just a version of Marc Murphy with the skills, agility, pace, decision making and knowledge removed!
If Curnow isn't gut running opponents into the ground he has little to offer, it's up to the MC to give him a role that delivers the opportunity!
He would set a good example in terms of work rate for sure. You would need Simo as vice, as Krooz would only play a few games per season. Maybe a brain transplant with Murph and Krooz might work.
Forget captain, forget him doing anything other than getting himself right, SpecialK is the missing piece of the puzzle. When he is fit and playing we have at least a 5 goal swing in our favour as a team!
I'll put it another way....forgetting about ability, I think if Hodge had been in our team for rnd1 and rnd 2 we would have knocked over Richmond and only lost to WC by a couple of goals. I take your point about Murphy being injured but it would be fair to say Hodge has carried injuries for a lot of his career and still got the job done. I would prefer a more robust captain and let Murphy get on with playing footy and winning us games with his skills...I dont think he can do both jobs...
I accept that is the case but I am not sure you need that type of player to be the captain, but I agree whole heartedly that you need that type of player in your team!
A captain needs brains, communication skills, poise, what Hodge offers and what many good footballers offer doesn't normally come in the one package!
The question I would ask is this, if we had Hodge type players on our list could Murphy pull them into line, could he do a Vandenberg, I think leading by example is not enough.
Having said that, Garlett and Robinson's fate has surely sent a message, we may never know how much the leadership group had to do with it!
Does a leader need to be feared, by his own side as well as opponents?
Not saying you have to be a thug and Murphy is capable of inspiring with his acts on the field but if you look at Luke Hodge .he is the complete package...can inspire with his footy skills but can also assert himself when needed and look after his teammates..
True, but there are few Hodges and he was well and truly in the shizen with reports, behavior issues, etc., etc., before the Mitchell era bought him time to settle after Vandenberg's departure! In an interview I recall him discussing the possibility he thought he might get the lemon-sars from Hawthorn at one stage, after some dispute with the Prez, coach or CEO, it was never in the press though! He credited Vandenberg, who at that stage had retired but was still mentoring, for setting him right!
Would we have axed him at Carlton? For sure it would have been front page!
People are judging Marc Murphy when he is clearly not fit, the same thing happened last season and by the end he was standing up as well as anybody even having endure that Hodge dog act! This is a kid who had his jaw wired and only missed one round, had multiple games ranking over 140 points(About eight 30 possession games!)
Name me one player who Robbo would respect enough to actually pull his head in if they told him to pull his head in?
I cant think of one.
Not one. The result? Anyone trying to get him to play differently would struggle.
Leading teams really would have tanked at our club. I can't imagine our players having the gonads to actually tell their teamates what they are doing wrong, and I would expect that many of them would get defensive.
Then it's a coaching / player development problem, because in a sample of 40 people there is no way you could randomly select a group of 100% introverts!
FWIW, I think there are very few draftees who come into the system as extroverts, most spend the best part of their first year or two in awe of their team-mates and opponents. The system makes introverts, if you have a system that works!
Most people on here, and everywhere else that I've spoken to, acknowledge that neither Murph nor Gibbs has any mongrel or fire in the belly. They are both talented footy players of course and ones that any club could gain great benefits from having on its list, but not in the leadership area.
I have nothing personal against these two, it is their individual natures, that's how they are wired. I would love to be proved wrong on this, this week especially.
So our solution to balance this equation is to get rid of Robbo, knowing we had already lost Duigan!
It's mis-management, it is not Murphy or Gibbs problem!
I'm not pointing the finger at you, but there are posters on here who would have required Craig Bradley to be a battering ram!
