Playing on Easter Sunday leads to the question: are the Blues going to get crucified again, or will we rise from the dead to start a new dynasty?
To be honest, I am leaning towards the former after last week.
Anyway. Please come here when the game is over.
Just thought i'd start this thread from quoting a post i made in the pre-game thread a week ago. When everyone else was playing the 'sack bolton' or the 'full review required' cards....
We'll win by 6 goals.
We've been $h!t out of luck of late, and we are due for some things to go our way. It will be this week and it will be glorious.
Just saying....
All player effort aside, gotta give kudos to Bolton and the coaching side.
After last week there was a problem identified - a disconnect between mids and forwards.
They've obviously worked hard on it all week, not only had they improved upon it, they smashed it. First time since 2016 we've kicked the 100 points.
Have patience bluebaggers.
We have all the ingredients, we've mixed them all together.
The cake is in the oven, now we just wait for it to rise.
Hallejulah
All player effort aside, gotta give kudos to Bolton and the coaching side.
After last week there was a problem identified - a disconnect between mids and forwards.
They've obviously worked hard on it all week, not only had they improved upon it, they smashed it. First time since 2016 we've kicked the 100 points.
Have patience bluebaggers.
We have all the ingredients, we've mixed them all together.
The cake is in the oven, now we just wait for it to rise.
X2
Different side than last week, mental attitude, desire , great to see , players deserved the reward
Just thought i'd start this thread from quoting a post i made in the pre-game thread a week ago. When everyone else was playing the 'sack bolton' or the 'full review required' cards....
Just saying....
You're wrong!
We won by 7...lol.
Well it is the day for big comebacks. And what a comeback!
And we’ve jumped up to 14th from last. (Above the crows too)
So thats what it feels like. I could get used to this.
Go Blues
It was like watching a mirror image. Us slick, quick, fast, hands, quick ball movement, generally good skills, the other side working, poor skills, inefficient movement, bombing into the F50. The other side trying to fight back hard, not scoring, then we get them on the rebound, quick movement and score a couple against the run.
Make such a wonderful change. This is what I wanted 4th year in with a very good young side.
You're wrong!
We won by 7...lol.
i was about 2 seconds off. ;)
YES!!!
i was about 2 seconds off. ;)
Yes, bloody Walsh...lol!!!
Yes, bloody Walsh...lol!!!
Put us over the 100 points!
Lots of impressive signs from the first bounce to the symbolic last goal by our no.1 Walshy. All without Charlie and a few other emerging youngsters.
I had faith it would come, just not when.
What impressed me most was they took last week's pain and turned it into a 100+ pleasure.
Congratulations to all involved at the mighty CFC
Cheers Bluebaggers ????????????????????????????????☕
Enjoy the moment
Frees 22-12 their way. Thats as lopsided as I have seen.
Special mention to SOS today, thought he did some really good things today. He and The Tractor added some much needed grunt and kent.
A really important result for club, coach, players and supporters.
The win and the 100 points.
Got a bit teary when the supporters started singing the song a few minutes from the end.
There's a world of difference between the feelings after an 'honorable loss' and a 'win'
Full credit to Bolton.
Good to see him down amongst the players mid way through the terms too.
Drats, only 15pts short of my prediction of a 10+gls win ;) ;) In all seriousness, just felt it in the gut, a big win.
Amazing what happens when everyone is on the same page and there's mongrel persistence at the aggott/opponent.
Congratulations all concerned on a richly deserved win... and a big win, none of this narrow stuff. At the risk of sounding monotonous, this is what this group needed - to dish out a hiding.
Now to build on that.
Frees 22-12 their way. Thats as lopsided as I have seen.
I think i saw a 35-13 game once. Us against the tiggers many moons ago.
A really important result for club, coach, players and supporters.
The win and the 100 points.
Got a bit teary when the supporters started singing the song a few minutes from the end.
There's a world of difference between the feelings after an 'honorable loss' and a 'win'
Full credit to Bolton.
Good to see him down amongst the players mid way through the terms too.
TBH I got abit teary when Crippa hugged the little man on the ground. It was very emotional and a tremendous show of support for a man under siege.
All player effort aside, gotta give kudos to Bolton and the coaching side.
After last week there was a problem identified - a disconnect between mids and forwards.
They've obviously worked hard on it all week, not only had they improved upon it, they smashed it. First time since 2016 we've kicked the 100 points.
Have patience bluebaggers.
We have all the ingredients, we've mixed them all together.
The cake is in the oven, now we just wait for it to rise.
X 100 Couldn't agree more.
PS. Nice jag with the final scoreline Kruddler????
I thought it would be much closer with such a contested ball opponent. But along came Samo with his mates Crippa, Fisher, Walshy, and Murph in particular. Many more contributors though. So thats what an even spread can result in ????
Happy Easter to those so inclined. I for one am so high I don't need chocolate, for at least 3 hours anyway.
Pure pleasure from watching that game.
Frees 22-12 their way. Thats as lopsided as I have seen.
That's how the doggies got a look in after the 62 yr (or whatever) drought ????
TBH I got abit teary when Crippa hugged the little man on the ground. It was very emotional and a tremendous show of support for a man under siege.
Ok. My turn... I got teary when every player or coach hugged any other player or coach.
Oh that winning feeling.
Hope they all get a big, we'll deserved, long lasting lift from it.
Tremendous.
Break-out game for SPS and H... both played with focus, authority and impact.
Thought SOJ was important... did some very good things at critical moments.
Gibbons continues to grow.
Polson the only real passenger.
Paddy Dow showed important stuff also... kicking improved but needs more.
ZF was also great and showed some fancy and effective weaving and footy smarts.
Forwards attacked the player approaching with the ball, demanding they be used.
Notice BB kept his addresses short...
Now to back it up.
We're above Adelaide for now...lol.
Had to laugh. When I suggested we'd win big to Mrs Baggers yesterday and earlier today, she said, "trust your gut and put some money on it." So I said I'd put $50 on us to win by 39+pts.
I forgot to put on the bet.
Mrs Baggers found out how much we'd have won if I'd put on the bet.
It's going to be a long Easter.
Next week the Hawks in Tassie.
Special mention to SOS today.
Give the kid a haircut and a bit of muscle and he suddenly looks like a footballer with some authority. (Looked a lot like the old man at times....)
Next week the Hawks in Tassie.
Bruise them up pussy cats.
We rose from the dead on Easter Sunday!
Next week the Hawks in Tassie.
Was dreading it as I booked my flights in Feb.
Was dreading it as I booked my flights in Feb.
My best mate is a Hawk. Would've gone except i'm committed next weekend. Thought about the boat but I would've been smashed by the time I was there...lol.
The disposal efficiency was a feature today.
Samo 35 disposals at almost 90% efficiency.
Walsh 26 at 92%
SOS 18 at 89%
Fisher 28 at 86%
I can't remember the last time we saw numbers like that.
H - 20 disposals and 4 goals. Absolutely brilliant. He's gone well past Curnow this year. Shame we couldn't see both at their best. That would be scarey.
Kreuzer's influence is immense. Lobbe in particular is so immobile by comparison. Countless times there today K just made the chase or applied the pressure where it would have been a walk into the F50 for the opposition. English might have looked good on the stats sheet but had little influence.
Was dreading it as I booked my flights in Feb.
I've been in the habit of dreading all CFC games for some time.
That stadium in Tassie is a bit of a fortress for the Hawks, as I understand it.
I've been in the habit of dreading all CFC games for some time.
That stadium in Tassie is a bit of a fortress for the Hawks, as I understand it.
Raydan reckons the crowds are 50-50 And they're only that because they have membership access and we have been crap.
Raydan reckons the crowds are 50-50 And they're only that because they have membership access and we have been crap.
I see. What is the Hawks W/L record down there ? Pretty good I believe.
Had to laugh. When I suggested we'd win big to Mrs Baggers yesterday and earlier today, she said, "trust your gut and put some money on it." So I said I'd put $50 on us to win by 39+pts.
I forgot to put on the bet.
Mrs Baggers found out how much we'd have won if I'd put on the bet.
It's going to be a long Easter.
;D ;D
My best mate is a Hawk. Would've gone except i'm committed next weekend. Thought about the boat but I would've been smashed by the time I was there...lol.
Spirits on the Spirit... ;) ;D
A long time between drinks. Time to reset before th next game and getting ve it another spin.
Raydan reckons the crowds are 50-50 And they're only that because they have membership access and we have been crap.
It was 50/50 on the Gold Coast last week.
We have a lot of interstate support.
A long time between drinks. Time to reset before th next game and getting ve it another spin.
By the look of that post it hasn't been very long between drinks for you. ;D ;D
Bloody spell check. Long time between drinks and time for another spin. Yes. When we win I celebrate and do it at full pace. :)) ;)
Us Carlton supporters today....lol.
Give the kid a haircut and a bit of muscle and he suddenly looks like a footballer with some authority. (Looked a lot like the old man at times....)
Gotta say, I did wonder what the reasoning behind the buzz cut would be.
Break-out game for SPS and H... both played with focus, authority and impact.
Thought SOJ was important... did some very good things at critical moments.
Gibbons continues to grow.
Polson the only real passenger.
Paddy Dow showed important stuff also... kicking improved but needs more.
ZF was also great and showed some fancy and effective weaving and footy smarts.
Forwards attacked the player approaching with the ball, demanding they be used.
Notice BB kept his addresses short...
Now to back it up.
Lachie o'Brien was a passenger today too.
I see. What is the Hawks W/L record down there ? Pretty good I believe.
Never mind. I found it. Played 60. W/D/L is 46/1/13. Won quite a few of their recent ones.
The disposal efficiency was a feature today.
Samo 35 disposals at almost 90% efficiency.
Walsh 26 at 92%
SOS 18 at 89%
Fisher 28 at 86%
I can't remember the last time we saw numbers like that.
H - 20 disposals and 4 goals. Absolutely brilliant. He's gone well past Curnow this year. Shame we couldn't see both at their best. That would be scarey.
Kreuzer's influence is immense. Lobbe in particular is so immobile by comparison. Countless times there today K just made the chase or applied the pressure where it would have been a walk into the F50 for the opposition. English might have looked good on the stats sheet but had little influence.
Agree on Harry, looked better than a lot of the other KP forwards in the league today, Dogs made a mistake in not playing the taller Trengove and Harry showed that he both a skilled and smart player and he played in front and was unstoppable. You have to wonder if Harry and Mcgovern as a combo works better than a Trio with Charlie thrown in, we seem to have more open space down forward and even Levi seemed to know what he was doing when he got a run down there.
Gibbons was ok today and used the ball better and credit to Jack who added something to the team.
Top 5 in the AFL Fantasy :
Harry Mac
Sammy W
SPS
Murphy
Fisher
Low tackling game - 60-42 in favour of the Dogs.
Go blues! Congrats to all for a fine win.
Big change today was the extra possession and attempts to clear to a free player rather than the hack kick forward. We went back to hacking in the third quarter and turned the ball over. Result of more spread and run in the midfield and Is hard to do but we did it. As a result, we hit targets in the forward line.
Low tackling game - 60-42 in favour of the Dogs.
Well we did have more of the ball ;)
Low tackling game - 60-42 in favour of the Dogs.
Wasnt a high standard game but the Dogs were doing most of the chasing.....
Speechless.
Well we did have more of the ball ;)
Wasnt a high standard game but the Dogs were doing most of the chasing.....
Yes, no doubt, but for a victorious side to only have 42 tackles (minus 18 on the Dogs) does seems a bit skewiff IMO.
Yes, no doubt, but for a victorious side to only have 42 tackles (minus 18 on the Dogs) does seems a bit skewiff IMO.
If you are controlling the ball, no need to tackle?
two games out of the 8 folks...one game, if we'd held on last week.
I think today showed (and not for the first time) that LOB and Polson aren't ready for the big time.
Gibbons remains a maybe.
SOJ was good - looked like a wise head....takes the smart option almost always and he's a big lad these days (I was surprised).
Levi too looked pretty good - stood up when needed.
Samo the stand out - always had it in him, just needed to want it enough.
Great team win.
Kudos too to Harry - could have kicked 7 or 8. He will soon.
Charlie who? (joking)
I think today showed (and not for the first time) that LOB and Polson aren't ready for the big time.
Gibbons remains a maybe.
SOJ was good - looked like a wise head....takes the smart option almost always and he's a big lad these days (I was surprised).
Levi too looked pretty good - stood up when needed.
Samo the stand out - always had it in him, just needed to want it enough.
Great team win.
Kudos too to Harry - could have kicked 7 or 8. He will soon.
Charlie who? (joking)
....and thats why our team has struggled. Not because our players can't play, but because they are not ready to compete at the highest level yet.
We have 28 players 22 and under on our list.
17 players 23 and over.
Of that 17, it includes Kreuzer, Lobbe, Phillips and Casboult. You can only play max 2 at a time in the team, so 15 23 and over. Take into account Doc been missing for 2 years, and we are down to 14 players who are 23 and over that we can pick each week. Obviously we'll get some other injuries in there as well, so its certainly not unrealistic to suggest we can have a team that has as many players under 23 that it has over 23 in it.
....and people want to blame the coach. They are a bunch of kids still learning the game and/or the speed of AFL football....of course they are still learning their teammates too.
As a collective, we just need to be patient and let our kids come on.
Fun fact of the day, Cripps (32 handballs) had the =4th most handballs in a game of all time. Record was Matt Crouch last year (35)
Great to see so many of our young fellas among the best in a good win.
This could be a turning point.
Just thought i'd start this thread from quoting a post i made in the pre-game thread a week ago. When everyone else was playing the 'sack bolton' or the 'full review required' cards....
Just saying....
I think that quoting yourself is called “Hotcoxing”, but nice work :)
Give the kid a haircut and a bit of muscle and he suddenly looks like a footballer with some authority. (Looked a lot like the old man at times....)
SOJ looked an awful lot like SOS - I thought I was in a time warp at times!
I think that quoting yourself is called “Hotcoxing”, but nice work :)
He never got anything right to quote himself with. ;)
'Bout time. Save the formula and enjoy the win guys. Repeat that up for the rest of the year and witness the rewards
He never got anything right to quote himself with. ;)
I suspect that he wasn’t past editing his posts before quoting them :P
Someone should write a book about the characters who have made CSC such an entertaining place to hang out ;)
I like that Crippa told the boys prior to the game that they are ready. Good leadership.
Was worried when the President coming out and exaggerated the importance of this win. But then I watched BBs media conference and was not only impressed but buoyed. Really informative and intelligent communication from BB. For me he got the balance perfectly right... enjoy this but tomorrow back to reality and prepare for meeting the Dawks in Tassie, and that's a tough gig.
I've no doubt that the Dawks will hit us hard in an attempt to have our young group second guessing themselves and retreating into their shells. But am more confident now that this group can respond. Even though we played a good side in ordinary form today, we did what we should do... put them away.
Yes, no doubt, but for a victorious side to only have 42 tackles (minus 18 on the Dogs) does seems a bit skewiff IMO.
We put a lot of pressure on the ball carrier. When the dogs had it that was...
Interesting to look at pressure acts. I'd imagine they're up for many of our players. SOJ was outstanding in that regard and his increased strength added another dimension.
We put a lot of pressure on the ball carrier. When the dogs had it that was...
Interesting to look at pressure acts. I'd imagine they're up for many of our players. SOJ was outstanding in that regard and his increased strength added another dimension.
This was one of the highlights for me. He did so much hard in-and-under stuff that was courageous and effective. I'd urge folks to watch the replay of his work and how some was, though unnoticed, a key factor in a couple of goals.
H was another highlight. He showed a confident and ruthless attack, up and down the ground, on the aggott in the air. He demanded the ball. Great stuff.
ZF delighted us with some fair-dinkum razzamatazz. I bet we'll see some extra special stuff from him as the year unfolds.
SPS found how today just how good he can be and how he can impact a game. Breakout stuff.
We also saw that LOB is not ready and Polson may never be up to it... the fumbles from these two was unlike the rest of the side. Though Meat also fumbled a lot/dropped marks but because he was given so many opportunities he started to play with confidence.
Really pleasantly surprised to see the dramatic change in the mid/forward connect... now to ensure it remains and endures.
We put a lot of pressure on the ball carrier. When the dogs had it that was...
Interesting to look at pressure acts. I'd imagine they're up for many of our players. SOJ was outstanding in that regard and his increased strength added another dimension.
Yes, I imagine that we regained possession mainly through stoppages, throw ins, turnovers, the fact that the Dogs lost the ball without necessary being tackled etc. I haven't seen the match.
The weekend's results are all over the shop in this respect.
I've just started watching the highlights, and the first thing I see is Harry Mac taking a mark over Caleb Daniel.
And I just saw it again. Bizarre.
LOL - even Levi kicked 3.0. Never looked like missing.
Classic.
This was one of the highlights for me. He did so much hard in-and-under stuff that was courageous and effective. I'd urge folks to watch the replay of his work and how some was, though unnoticed, a key factor in a couple of goals.
H was another highlight. He showed a confident and ruthless attack, up and down the ground, on the aggott in the air. He demanded the ball. Great stuff.
ZF delighted us with some fair-dinkum razzamatazz. I bet we'll see some extra special stuff from him as the year unfolds.
SPS found how today just how good he can be and how he can impact a game. Breakout stuff.
We also saw that LOB is not ready and Polson may never be up to it... the fumbles from these two was unlike the rest of the side. Though Meat also fumbled a lot/dropped marks but because he was given so many opportunities he started to play with confidence.
Really pleasantly surprised to see the dramatic change in the mid/forward connect... now to ensure it remains and endures.
All games this year, we've been almost there. We didn't execute the small things consistently and that's costly in the close ones. Today we did just that. Most of our errors can be fixed or at least improved in the short term.
What we need to sustain this is a consistent line up. Like someone said, the ingredients are assembled. It's baking time and the golden rule: don't open the oven... ok I can't cook so I'll finish up right there????
Yes, I imagine that we regained possession mainly through stoppages, throw ins, turnovers, the fact that the Dogs lost the ball without necessary being tackled etc. I haven't seen the match.
The weekend's results are all over the shop in this respect.
Indeed Paully. We were the clearance kings despite the Doggies sizable free kick stat, which they won comfortably.
Enjoy the replay. I have a feeling you're gonna love it????
Indeed Paully. We were the clearance kings despite the Doggies sizable free kick stat, which they won comfortably.
Enjoy the replay. I have a feeling you're gonna love it????
Only the highlights I'm afraid. But good enough for now.
It was good to hear Bolts acknowledging the contributions of Amos, Barker, Bruce and Teague.
He also mentioned LoGiudice, Liddle, Lloyd and SOS and emphasised that it is a collective effort.
The difference today -= we rolled the dice a bit but more importantly, we moved the ball quickly.
Interesting reading on the heatmap looking at running stats.
LOB, whom I didn't rate today, shows his talents.
He reached top speed for the game, ahead of Johansson. No mean feat. He's also up there in other measures. Perhaps it's a time thing where we need to tweak how he can incorporate his running prowess into his role.
Guess who was number 1 in distance covered...????
None other than our newest number 1. Wow Walshy, just wow.
Actually LOB, Murphy, Walshy, and Gibbons ran their butts off.
Murphy ran 3.3km at top speed, ahead of the pack. Not bad for an old fella.
The hard running by multiple players really contributed to the result I believe. Maybe we're seeing early reward from the high performance guru Jack.
Adding Setterfield, Curnow, Cunningham and Williamson back into the team over the next 2 weeks - where do you fit them all?
Polson / LOB will go out but Casboult is undroppable on that performance. Gibbons is absolutely priceless. He must have run +15km today.
Goddard / Macreadie / Stocker / Lang / Garlett / Fasolo / Polson ready to go backups. A win and a bunch returning from injury - all of a sudden things look infinitely better.
BTW - Fasolo is miles behind SOS based on this weekend. Fas's body looks completely shot to me.
Actually LOB, Murphy, Walshy, and Gibbons ran their butts off.
Murphy ran 3.3km at top speed, ahead of the pack. Not bad for an old fella.
The hard running by multiple players really contributed to the result I believe. Maybe we're seeing early reward from the high performance guru Jack.
Don't want to turn this moment into a Murphy bash at all but jeeeeez he frustrates me to watch. Deep in the last quarter everyone is still battling their guts out - he's already clearly switched off mentally. We've done enough to win so I'll start to cheat out the back and throw a few millionaire kicks in.
It only annoyed me because I was so keen for us to kick 100+ but it was so obvious. One forward 50 entry he just threw the ball onto his boot - went absolutely nowhere near his target. Under limited pressure it just illustrated that he was done for the day and couldn't care less. I'm glad he ran hard today but a good player just wouldn't do that.
I thought you could hear a pin drop when Dow was lining up on 94 then a collective groan of disappointment when he missed, then the roar when Walsh kicked us to 101 drowned out the siren
The difference today -= we rolled the dice a bit but more importantly, we moved the ball quickly.
Kicked the ball better, made better decisions...Bulldogs were woeful and turned the footy over a lot but you can only beat what they put out there.
Having a genuine target playing like Buddy helped too, had to laugh when Harry found himself on Caleb Daniel.. was our day and everything went our way
but we need to backup and beat the Hawks next week to show it was more than a false dawn.
Don't want to turn this moment into a Murphy bash at all but jeeeeez he frustrates me to watch. Deep in the last quarter everyone is still battling their guts out - he's already clearly switched off mentally. We've done enough to win so I'll start to cheat out the back and throw a few millionaire kicks in.
............
Given his age and how hard he ran for the whole game, perhaps "deep in the last quarter" he was rooted ?
Just saying.
Kicked the ball better, made better decisions...Bulldogs were woeful and turned the footy over a lot but you can only beat what they put out there.
Having a genuine target playing like Buddy helped too, had to laugh when Harry found himself on Caleb Daniel.. was our day and everything went our way
...................
Yes, just one of those days when it all went perfectly.
Don't want to turn this moment into a Murphy bash at all but jeeeeez he frustrates me to watch. Deep in the last quarter everyone is still battling their guts out - he's already clearly switched off mentally. We've done enough to win so I'll start to cheat out the back and throw a few millionaire kicks in.
It only annoyed me because I was so keen for us to kick 100+ but it was so obvious. One forward 50 entry he just threw the ball onto his boot - went absolutely nowhere near his target. Under limited pressure it just illustrated that he was done for the day and couldn't care less. I'm glad he ran hard today but a good player just wouldn't do that.
While I'm so engrossed in the stats ????
Gibbons covered 14.4km, average speed of 9.5kph
Overall picture though is... more if our players ran further, faster, for longer. Interesting that Marchy was up with the highest no. of sprints. He followed Hayes (debutant), Ed, Daisy if you please, and LOB.
It's a bit if fun till the replay is available ????
Don't want to turn this moment into a Murphy bash at all but jeeeeez he frustrates me to watch. Deep in the last quarter everyone is still battling their guts out - he's already clearly switched off mentally. We've done enough to win so I'll start to cheat out the back and throw a few millionaire kicks in.
It only annoyed me because I was so keen for us to kick 100+ but it was so obvious. One forward 50 entry he just threw the ball onto his boot - went absolutely nowhere near his target. Under limited pressure it just illustrated that he was done for the day and couldn't care less. I'm glad he ran hard today but a good player just wouldn't do that.
Wasnt as bad as The Dow kick in the last quarter, had to hit a target on the run about 15m and missed by a mile....be a real good player if he could kick well...
Murphy will and is being phased out by Fisher, Walsh and SPS who are doing the heavy lifting now, he is still handy as a running mid but is more of a plan B rotation than
a main act.
Adding Setterfield, Curnow, Cunningham and Williamson back into the team over the next 2 weeks - where do you fit them all?
Bugger it, we'll just play 25...lol.
Wasnt as bad as The Dow kick in the last quarter, had to hit a target on the run about 15m and missed by a mile....be a real good player if he could kick well...
Murphy will and is being phased out by Fisher, Walsh and SPS who are doing the heavy lifting now, he is still handy as a running mid but is more of a plan B rotation than
a main act.
Dow misses those kicks in the first quarter also.
The point was more a mental application point of view. Murphy doesn't have a killer instinct. That need to crush the opposition not just take the foot off as early as possible. Costs us in close games. And just generally p!sses me off.
While I'm so engrossed in the stats ????
Gibbons covered 14.4km, average speed of 9.5kph
Overall picture though is... more if our players ran further, faster, for longer. Interesting that Marchy was up with the highest no. of sprints. He followed Hayes (debutant), Ed, Daisy if you please, and LOB.
It's a bit if fun till the replay is available ????
I'd guess there aren't too many forward pockets in the AFL running 14-15km every week.
Gibbons is vital. Great to see him get a goal too.
Adding Setterfield, Curnow, Cunningham and Williamson back into the team over the next 2 weeks - where do you fit them all?
Polson / LOB will go out but Casboult is undroppable on that performance. Gibbons is absolutely priceless. He must have run +15km today.
Goddard / Macreadie / Stocker / Lang / Garlett / Fasolo / Polson ready to go backups. A win and a bunch returning from injury - all of a sudden things look infinitely better.
BTW - Fasolo is miles behind SOS based on this weekend. Fas's body looks completely shot to me.
And that man of faith?
I missed the whole game and we won. I'm so p*ssed!
I hope to get to see the game during the week, so I can vote.
Just looking at the stats, I'd say that Kreuzer probably beat his man, even though he had less taps. English is going to be a player. But the Big Tractor is coming back after injury having played about 2/3 of a game in the VFL. He will get better. We will play better when he gets fitter.
But until we get a Grundy or a Gawn we will not win a premiership. I hate that thought. I have hopes for Tom deKoning, but he is a 19 year old kid. We need to find the next star ruckman and sooner rather than later.
That said, I am so happy to read that SPS was so good today. I am almost as pleased that Gibbons did well. I really hope out midfield can repeat this effort most weeks.
I missed the whole game and we won. I'm so p*ssed!
I hope to get to see the game during the week, so I can vote.
Just looking at the stats, I'd say that Kreuzer probably beat his man, even though he had less taps. English is going to be a player. But the Big Tractor is coming back after injury having played about 2/3 of a game in the VFL. He will get better. We will play better when he gets fitter.
But until we get a Grundy or a Gawn we will not win a premiership. I hate that thought. I have hopes for Tom deKoning, but he is a 19 year old kid. We need to find the next star ruckman and sooner rather than later.
That said, I am so happy to read that SPS was so good today. I am almost as pleased that Gibbons did well. I really hope out midfield can repeat this effort most weeks.
SPS was exceptionsal today, far better than good today Crash.
To digress,
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bolt-from-the-blues-a-reward-for-patience-with-emerging-stars-20190421-p51fzu.html
And there's more!
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/long-wait-ends-for-blues-as-they-easily-down-bulldogs-20190421-p51fyw.html
I'd guess there aren't too many forward pockets in the AFL running 14-15km every week.
Gibbons is vital. Great to see him get a goal too.
From what I saw on tv, Gibbons (+Murphy, Ed, and H) played a vital role in the mid-fwd "link up". He's a great runner, let's utilize his strengths.
Dow misses those kicks in the first quarter also.
The point was more a mental application point of view. Murphy doesn't have a killer instinct. That need to crush the opposition not just take the foot off as early as possible. Costs us in close games. And just generally p!sses me off.
Like Gibbs has been part of a losing culture where failure was accepted and going the extra mile wasnt compulsory in their minds, always guaranteed a game each week and never called out for
his failings. Hard to change that in your later years and he like Gibbs never has fulfilled their potential.
You look at Walsh and Fisher and they want it more than Murphy who is happy to just to roll along and extend his career.
SPS was exceptionsal today, far better than good today Crash.
To digress,
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/bolt-from-the-blues-a-reward-for-patience-with-emerging-stars-20190421-p51fzu.html
Agree...best game I have seen him play and 35 possies are the bar he needs to reach each week, 20 possie games dont cut it and
his ball use and composure were excellent...I had him BOG with Fisher as next best...Dogs have a good midfield which made the performance very credible.
Like Gibbs has been part of a losing culture where failure was accepted and going the extra mile wasnt compulsory in their minds, always guaranteed a game each week and never called out for
his failings. Hard to change that in your later years and he like Gibbs never has fulfilled their potential.
You look at Walsh and Fisher and they want it more than Murphy who is happy to just to roll along and extend his career.
I see Bryce threw body and soul into it today - 1 tackle! ???
Agree...best game I have seen him play and 35 possies are the bar he needs to reach each week, 20 possie games dont cut it and
his ball use and composure were excellent...I had him BOG with Fisher as next best...Dogs have a good midfield which made the performance very credible.
Yes, EB that is the other salient point - the quality of the opposition mids....and (to digress slightly) let me say Libba's staging was putrid.
two games out of the 8 folks...one game, if we'd held on last week.
>:( >:(
Yes, EB that is the other salient point - the quality of the opposition mids....and (to digress slightly) let me say Libba's staging was putrid.
Fly...Look at the DE% stats.....Fisher, SPS, Cripps, Walsh etc, that was top use of the footy by us....you add a top game by a key forward and that adds up to a win.
Libba is a clown on and off the field and needs a clip, glad we didnt recruit him or his mate Wallis who were both garbage today.
I missed the whole game and we won. I'm so p*ssed!
I hope to get to see the game during the week, so I can vote.
Just looking at the stats, I'd say that Kreuzer probably beat his man, even though he had less taps. English is going to be a player. But the Big Tractor is coming back after injury having played about 2/3 of a game in the VFL. He will get better. We will play better when he gets fitter.
But until we get a Grundy or a Gawn we will not win a premiership. I hate that thought. I have hopes for Tom deKoning, but he is a 19 year old kid. We need to find the next star ruckman and sooner rather than later.
That said, I am so happy to read that SPS was so good today. I am almost as pleased that Gibbons did well. I really hope out midfield can repeat this effort most weeks.
The stats show English had more hit outs, but I would suggest Kreuzer spent quite a lot of time out of the ruck.
Casboult also had 8 hit outs and seemed to go against English a fair bit.
Importantly, as a team we won the hitouts and smashed them at clearances.
Fly...Look at the DE% stats.....Fisher, SPS, Cripps, Walsh etc, that was top use of the footy by us....you add a top game by a key forward and that adds up to a win.
Libba is a clown on and off the field and needs a clip, glad we didnt recruit him or his mate Wallis who were both garbage today.
I think we've all known if we tidied up our ball use we would start getting results.
Bad ball use = turnovers = cheap goals to the other guys (and demoralises our own).
You look at Walsh and Fisher and they want it more than Murphy who is happy to just to roll along and extend his career.
Absolutely spot on. They had all the skill - none of the hunger.
Just on SPS today, he played with some urgency today which made me smile like a cheshire cat. More of that next week Samo, and the week after that, the week after that etc.
On Cripps, just had control of the game and his players, was directing traffic and providing instructions/feedback all day. Maturity beyond his years.
Now to do it all again next week.
A win can do wonders upstairs. Especially as that has such an influence downstairs :)
Maybe enough to start building some belief in winning. Although I acknowledge the players (I.e. Jones, Weiters) have been saying it's building.
Don't want to turn this moment into a Murphy bash at all but jeeeeez he frustrates me to watch. Deep in the last quarter everyone is still battling their guts out - he's already clearly switched off mentally. We've done enough to win so I'll start to cheat out the back and throw a few millionaire kicks in.
It only annoyed me because I was so keen for us to kick 100+ but it was so obvious. One forward 50 entry he just threw the ball onto his boot - went absolutely nowhere near his target. Under limited pressure it just illustrated that he was done for the day and couldn't care less. I'm glad he ran hard today but a good player just wouldn't do that.
mml. Run off his feet. Murph was great today. Worked over Hunter and had 28, 9 marks and a goal.
A lot of good players today, underlines that team efforts are what win games. Good job all round. We know what these blokes can do, it's about consistency now.
Four quarters from SPS, can't ask for more. Massive hurt factor.
Jack was very damaging today, those little gives, blocks, tap ons etc contributed to a swag of scores today. Assists are an important stat.
Idiotic team selection from the bullies though, they won't underestimate Harry again. And Trengove was BOG in the VFL.
mml. Run off his feet. Murph was great today. Worked over Hunter and had 28, 9 marks and a goal.
Murphy could have 40 disposals and kick 5 goals and someone would find fault ::)
With the distance he covered today and the speed he maintained, it’s inevitable that his effectiveness would drop off towards the end of the game. If anything, he probably should have spent a little longer on the pine.
It's such a simple thing.
Harry kicked 4.3 (should have had 5).
Levi kicked 3.0
Jack kicked 1.1
McGovern kicked 1.1
9 goals 5 from forwards.
The Bulldogs kicked themselves out of the match imho.
7 goals 15, to 15 goals 11.
Theres no pressure like scoreboard pressure.
Break-out game for SPS and H... both played with focus, authority and impact. Apart from his positive contributions, SPS chased and tackled the Bont when last year he would not have bothered to chase at all.
Thought SOJ was important... did some very good things at critical moments.
Gibbons continues to grow. Playing further up field was a major factor - also noted how effective he was with kicks on either side of the body.
Polson the only real passenger. It was strange to see one player who couldn't find the ball when most everyone else was in on the fun.
Paddy Dow showed important stuff also... kicking improved but needs more.
ZF was also great and showed some fancy and effective weaving and footy smarts. The main footy smarts came in the form of effective hand-passes rather than scrubby kicks when he was under pressure (wonder who finally got that into his head) whilst his unpressured kicks were generally very effective.
Forwards attacked the player approaching with the ball, demanding they be used.
Notice BB kept his addresses short...
Now to back it up.
Only have seen the highlights but I was very impressed with Levi.
Always have heart in mouth when he is kicking but his set shots looked Fevolaesque.
Been awhile since we've nailed set shots like that from outside 50.
Well done Levi and coaching group.
If he wants it bad enough big Harry could be anything.
Only have seen the highlights but I was very impressed with Levi.
Always have heart in mouth when he is kicking but his set shots looked Fevolaesque.
Been awhile since we've nailed set shots like that from outside 50.
Well done Levi and coaching group.
If he wants it bad enough big Harry could be anything.
Best game I can recall ever seeing from Levi. Big H will be an absolute star imo. Moves and acts like one already, full of assured confidence. That's star quality imo.
Several players have PBs, it makes a difference spreading the load, and playing a game that brings team-mates into the game.
Gibbons showed what he is best at, I was pleasantly surprised by his DE%. But it's not just that, as a mature age he showed that knowing is a big part of doing. Nobody doubts his physical ability to run, the worry was he wasn't showing the where and when, but he showed that yesterday.
Levi, McGovern and Harry all worked well. The good thing now is we do not have to rush Charlie back, he's a ten year player and can be managed back through the VFL. Get him right, get him well!
Young SoJ, was hard inside, did some nice stuff fans miss but coaches don't! Flubbo at The Hun will make a big issue about SoJ having to make way for Charlie, but if we are unscathed I don't see any change as urgently required. Also, while Harry is on a high he needs to back up his efforts with a solid follow up game, it's important for his development! If you bring Charlie straight back in you could undo that opportunity at the selection table!
Watching the replay on Fox is the perfect way to start a day off.
Seeing Harry streaming down the wing for point of the year still got the blood pumping.
Oh well, guess i’d better post lest I become one of THOSE members ::)
After anointing him the next big thing when he debuted, i’d given up on SPS ... almost. He needs to have it explained in no uncertain terms that yesterday’s game is the MINIMUM standard expected in terms of effort and intensity.
Let’s hope the GC debacle becomes the turning point. Please, please, please Blues - do NOT go back into your shells against the Dawks. The King Hitter won’t be as lenient as Beveridge.
Murphy could have 40 disposals and kick 5 goals and someone would find fault ::)
With the distance he covered today and the speed he maintained, it’s inevitable that his effectiveness would drop off towards the end of the game. If anything, he probably should have spent a little longer on the pine.
Sorry to be negative on him. It just shows through and it's impossible not to make comment when you see it. He could run 20km, kick 10 and have 50 pos and I'd still make comment. He just does that little something that shows that killer instinct he simply does not have... in my opinion.
Murphy was outstanding yesterday, his running without the ball makes his teammates look good, and it happens often!
Sorry to be negative on him. It just shows through and it's impossible not to make comment when you see it. He could run 20km, kick 10 and have 50 pos and I'd still make comment. He just does that little something that shows that killer instinct he simply does not have... in my opinion.
Won't say too much as I risk sounding like Cliff from Clematis, but I was talking to an old footy-going acquaintance who I sat next to yesterday. He's attending more games again this year, having been missing for a while. He has a connection with the club through an iconic Carlton figure. Reckons the possibility of letting Murph go at the end of last year was considered but rejected. A major factor he said was that it would have been a very bad look for the club. Anyway, take that for what it is - I cannot verify it but the guy who told me is not a trivial character.
What I noticed yesterday was that the new era midfield is now starting to emerge with the younger guys rapidly becoming its core. Murph added value without doubt, and probably will for rest of the year, but it is clear now that his era has passed.
Best game I can recall ever seeing from Levi. Big H will be an absolute star imo. Moves and acts like one already, full of assured confidence. That's star quality imo.
Levi dropped a few marks I50 that he would normally eat for breakfast.
Could have kicked 5.
Best game I can recall ever seeing from Levi. Big H will be an absolute star imo. Moves and acts like one already, full of assured confidence. That's star quality imo.
Love to agree, Fluffy One but he dropped too many sitters. Liked his game but have to realise that he had a lot of v.g. delivery and many opportunities and could have and should have kicked 5.
Won't say too much as I risk sounding like Cliff from Clematis, but I was talking to an old footy-going acquaintance who I sat next to yesterday. He's attending more games again this year, having been missing for a while. He has a connection with the club through an iconic Carlton figure. Reckons the possibility of letting Murph go at the end of last year was considered but rejected. A major factor he said was that it would have been a very bad look for the club. Anyway, take that for what it is - I cannot verify it but the guy who told me is not a trivial character.
What I noticed yesterday was that the new era midfield is now starting to emerge with the younger guys rapidly becoming its core. Murph added value without doubt, and probably will for rest of the year, but it is clear now that his era has passed.
Yet the mutual decision for Murph to sign on for another year was made mid-season :)
The then-Carlton skipper had read the article [by Bob Murphy and published 27 June 2018]and thought it had some merit. He told the ex-player he enjoyed the read but what he did not tell Bob was that he had already made the decision to remain a Blue before the article was written.
"I had a look at it knowing I had made that decision. I bumped into him and we had a brief chat about it," Murphy said.
"I couldn't tell him at the time that I had signed but I told him I enjoyed the article."
Murphy had a defensive role on Hunter (along with O’Brien) and limited his input as well as amassing a lot of the ball himself. I wouldn’t be too tough on O’Brien as tag-teaming with Murphy to put the brakes on Hunter at stoppages was apparently his primary role.
I think that the 6-6-6 rule has been good for Murphy as he invariably is on the wing for centre bounces and isn’t getting crunched nearly as much as in the past. With Cripps, Samo and Fisher getting the job done, why not?
@DJC
Thanks for that. So the discussion was mid year, it was the letting go that would have been at the end of the year. Anyway........
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-report-card-round-5-2019-every-team-analysed-and-graded/news-story/1a43e02f95abb6c7de02b8f40b4e0175
CARLTON
What a difference a week makes. This time last week, Brendon Bolton looked doomed. Now the pressure has been released somewhat after a stunning performance on Easter Sunday. And it wasn’t just the win, it was how they won. They were rarely challenged by the Western Bulldogs — and they recorded three digits for the first time in 60 games.
IN THE VOTES
If Patrick Cripps isn’t leading the Brownlow Medal after five rounds, he will be in the top handful after he produced another brilliant display on Sunday. He will face a challenge from Sam Petrevski-Seton after he played the game of his life at Marvel Stadium, amassing 35 disposals and seven clearances. Liam Jones fired down back again, completely shutting out Aaron Naughton, while Marc Murphy has a new lease on life since relinquishing the captaincy. And then there is Harry McKay who booted an equal career-high four goals and marked everything that came in his direction
ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT
Imagine when the Blues get Charlie Curnow up and running. The young gun was a late withdrawal after injuring his knee again at training on Thursday, paving the way for Levi Casboult to come back in and kick three goals. Brendon Bolton didn’t miss Curnow on Sunday, but when he builds cohesion with McKay and new recruit Mitch McGovern, the Blues are going to have a formidable attack.
THE MAGOOS
The Northern Blues pulled off a three point win over Collingwood on Saturday, with Matt Kennedy (22 disposals) one of their best. Young gun Liam Stocker had 19 touches, while Pat Kerr booted three goals from 12 touches.
GRADE
A
Love to agree, Fluffy One but he dropped too many sitters. Liked his game but have to realise that he had a lot of v.g. delivery and many opportunities and could have and should have kicked 5.
Not claiming perfection Baggers, just the best game I've seen him play, from memory.
Love to agree, Fluffy One but he dropped too many sitters. Liked his game but have to realise that he had a lot of v.g. delivery and many opportunities and could have and should have kicked 5.
He had a great game up forward and around the ground. The only issue was the 10-15 min patch in the 3rd qtr where he couldn't catch a cold and dropped a few he shouldn't have. That may be confidence. Still, we showed you can get away with alot up forward if the ball is brought in quick and efficiently. We are at the stage where we could think about Charlie playing midfield, where he generally played as an u18. We have plenty of forward depth, with McKay, McGovern, Kerr and Levi.
He had a great game up forward and around the ground. The only issue was the 10-15 min patch in the 3rd qtr where he couldn't catch a cold and dropped a few he shouldn't have. That may be confidence. Still, we showed you can get away with alot up forward if the ball is brought in quick and efficiently. We are at the stage where we could think about Charlie playing midfield, where he generally played as an u18. We have plenty of forward depth, with McKay, McGovern, Kerr and Levi.
No he didn’t!
Charlie played as a key defender, ruckman or key forward at TAC level, but not in the midfield.
Charlie’s great strength is his marking, why would you give that to add a less than agile tall to our midfield mix?
No he didn’t!
Charlie played as a key defender, ruckman or key forward at TAC level, but not in the midfield.
Charlie’s great strength is his marking, why would you give that to add a less than agile tall to our midfield mix?
Not what Terry Wallace was saying this morning. He said he saw alot of him playing u18 midfield Said he played there often.
Actually, his draft profile says medium forward/inside midfielder.
Not what Terry Wallace was saying this morning. He said he saw alot of him playing u18 midfield saying that's where he played most often with only some time up forward.
I was given a run down on Charlie by his big brother. I suspect Ed knows just a little more than Wallets ;)
And Blueseum concurs with Ed:
Charlie endured a lot of setbacks during 2015, beginning with knee and quadricep injuries during the pre-season, and a dislocated kneecap that sidelined him for 12 weeks. As a result, he missed playing in the Under-18 National Championships and for a while it seemed that he wouldn’t play again that year. However, his determination got him back on the field for the Falcons’ final five TAC Cup games. After impressive efforts in defence or in the ruck earlier in the year, he was sent forward on his return and kicked 13 goals, averaging 12 disposals and six marks per game.
Michael Turner floated the idea of Charlie playing midfield in the lead up to the draft and it has become either fact or a prediction.
Yes, he could have an impact in the midfield in bursts but I suspect that he would simply get in the way of our genuine mids.
It was great to see the win (albeit today, having recorded the game). I did hear a snippet on the radio as I had to go home to get the ice cream I forgot for lunch! The bit on the radio was in the third, we were 5 goals up, which reduced to three. Parkin and the other commentator were particularly harsh on a couple of errors that we made during that time, making it sound as if we were going to let another one go.
My observations are:;
- had the teams swapped jumpers, I wouldn't have been surprised by our performance
- We were running, moving the ball quickly, handballs and kicks were hitting targets
- we slowed down a couple of times and just held on to the ball
- Players under pressure had others to support them/receive an offload
- We seem to have a larger number of left footers in the team
- We won all the quarters (not sure the last time we did that)
- We kept getting further in front. It has been a while since we have had a game winning lead and then increased it.
By no means were we perfect - what team is - but gee it makes a difference when there is a win.
it finally clicked.
this is what we've been very patiently waiting for. will it take hold for a while or will we be back in the wilderness for a while longer yet?
i liked the 4 quarters of proper football. went quick and slow at the right times. hit targets. took the game on when we had the pill and applied good pressure when we didn't.
i suspect very little has changed in the game plan, but the boys decided to be men this week.
when they get some more continuity and game time together, AND if the lads keep that resolve they played with, then we can expect to see some good footy for a good number of years.
it's just one win i know, but it was the way the youngsters stepped up and delivered the win that i liked.
I could also see a Tom Lynch linkman type role for Charlie. Many of Lynch's marks are taken out in the open rather than big pack marks. I think Charlie would be worth trying in that role and on his best form also has the finishing power.
it finally clicked.
this is what we've been very patiently waiting for. will it take hold for a while or will we be back in the wilderness for a while longer yet?
i liked the 4 quarters of proper football. went quick and slow at the right times. hit targets. took the game on when we had the pill and applied good pressure when we didn't.
i suspect very little has changed in the game plan, but the boys decided to be men this week.
when they get some more continuity and game time together, AND if the lads keep that resolve they played with, then we can expect to see some good footy for a good number of years.
it's just one win i know, but it was the way the youngsters stepped up and delivered the win that i liked.
As Juddy said, they largely got the balance right between slow and fast ball movement AND the forwards led up (dang, who would have thought).
It was great to see the win (albeit today, having recorded the game). I did hear a snippet on the radio as I had to go home to get the ice cream I forgot for lunch! The bit on the radio was in the third, we were 5 goals up, which reduced to three. Parkin and the other commentator were particularly harsh on a couple of errors that we made during that time, making it sound as if we were going to let another one go.
The couple of periods where we lost some momentum seemed to me to be when Kreuzer was having a breather. We seemed to get done at the clearances and that's where they have been damaging this year.
The couple of periods where we lost some momentum seemed to me to be when Kreuzer was having a breather. We seemed to get done at the clearances and that's where they have been damaging this year.
Just shows you how far off we are having an effective relieving ruck who delivers 2nd efforts.
As yet, as far as I can tell, we haven't given McGovern any significant midfield rotations. He was more than useful at the Crows and I think when Levi or someone else is rucking I'd put McGovern in the midfield to cover SpecialK's missing second efforts.
Another mate suggested Jones in there as well, and based on his VFL ruck duties it's probably worth an effort, but I suspect we do not want to screw up the D50 setup at this time.
So I won't be surprised to see in Setterfield's absence that Plowman or Marchbank get another midfield run. When we are without Kreuzer and Cripps in the center we look very meek and ordinary!
Just shows you how far off we are having an effective relieving ruck who delivers 2nd efforts.
As yet, as far as I can tell, we haven't given McGovern any significant midfield rotations. He was more than useful at the Crows and I think when Levi or someone else is rucking I'd put McGovern in the midfield to cover SpecialK's missing second efforts.
Another mate suggested Jones in there as well, and based on his VFL ruck duties it's probably worth an effort, but I suspect we do not want to screw up the D50 setup at this time.
So I won't be surprised to see in Setterfield's absence that Plowman or Marchbank get another midfield run. When we are without Kreuzer and Cripps in the center we look very meek and ordinary!
Kennedy must come in...
Kennedy must come in...
History suggests BB will persist with players for two or three weeks, that means SoJ gets a reasonable run at making a go of it as far as I am concerned. I can't see SoJ and Kennedy(If he is Fit) in the same 22.
I thought Gibbons in the midfield worked, he showed maturity which helped create the balance Judd referred to on FC. I had doubts about Gibbons but if he can consistently produce he'll be more than OK.
Surely this must mean clubs look at more footballers as mature age rookies, are they are as likely to turn a footballer into an athlete as they might change an athlete to a footballer? When a footballer is injured or off-colour he is still a footballer, while an unfit or off-colour athlete is next to worthless!
What the MC does in coming weeks will be interesting, we are now overloaded with 2nd string mid-fielders and we cannot play them all!
By the end of this season it should probably be players like Ed, Murphy and Simmo under the pump to retain a spot.
I was given a run down on Charlie by his big brother. I suspect Ed knows just a little more than Wallets ;)
And Blueseum concurs with Ed:
Michael Turner floated the idea of Charlie playing midfield in the lead up to the draft and it has become either fact or a prediction.
Yes, he could have an impact in the midfield in bursts but I suspect that he would simply get in the way of our genuine mids.
Wallace was watching games where he played in the midfield, a number of times. Essendon thought seriously about drafting him as an inside midfield bull. Thanking for us he ran away from a booze bus. It's a job I reckon he could do well on a wing. Be a nice link coming out of defence.
History suggests BB will persist with players for two or three weeks, that means SoJ gets a reasonable run at making a go of it as far as I am concerned. I can't see SoJ and Kennedy(If he is Fit) in the same 22.
I thought Gibbons in the midfield worked, he showed maturity which helped create the balance Judd referred to on FC. I had doubts about Gibbons but if he can consistently produce he'll be more than OK.
Surely this must mean clubs look at more footballers as mature age rookies, are they are as likely to turn a footballer into an athlete as they might change an athlete to a footballer? When a footballer is injured or off-colour he is still a footballer, while an unfit or off-colour athlete is next to worthless!
What the MC does in coming weeks will be interesting, we are now overloaded with 2nd string mid-fielders and we cannot play them all!
By the end of this season it should probably be players like Ed, Murphy and Simmo under the pump to retain a spot.
Kennedy for LOB, why not.
Kennedy will be a very good player if he gets over his niggles - but might have fresh rib issues someone mentioned?
Can play inside, outside or forward. He's a smart player.
The latter has had 3 (or 4) games to show something and is miles off the pace.....
Kennedy for LOB, why not.
Kennedy will be a very good player if he gets over his niggles - but might have fresh rib issues someone mentioned?
Can play inside, outside or forward. He's a smart player.
The latter has had 3 (or 4) games to show something and is miles off the pace.....
I'd think we need someone to sit on Poppy, he's our biggest match up problem and I suspect one of O'Brien or Poulson will get that job. I heard someone suggest Dow might get the job and try to hurt the Dawks by running off Poppy, but I'm not sure Dow is much good overhead.
Poppy, Impey and Scully are our biggest problems, but it looks like it'll be fine with a slight breeze and I think that favors us if we are holding our marks.
LOB going out for Kennedy? Runner for an inside player... I cant see it when we just won the inside battle so well against the competition's best inside midfield.
Cunningham is the one. Swap him for Polson. Sooo hoping he's fit!
Give Charlie another week to get his knee right... please. Never should have played last week. Madness. Casboult is undroppable anyway.
Can someone tell me who at Carlton did what to Paul Roos?
It must have been bad because he hates us with a passion you just don't see that much in the media.
On the couch they went straight into the Carlton win and he just sat there like he'd sucked a lemon. Kept saying it's only one win. Well thanks for that captain obvious.
Then his favourite highlight of the weekend was Harry's 100m run. But no mention of how exciting it was or any mention of Harry at all. Nope - his highlight was the Bulldogs bloke in the square who didn't allow the handball over the top.
Knowing Roos we'd only have to offer him a high paying job where he didn't have to do much for the money hungry sour puss to change his mind completely but I really hope we win a few more games to see his head turn a brighter shade of crimson.
I'd think we need someone to sit on Poppy, he's our biggest match up problem and I suspect one of O'Brien or Poulson will get that job. I heard someone suggest Dow might get the job and try to hurt the Dawks by running off Poppy, but I'm not sure Dow is much good overhead.
Poppy, Impey and Scully are our biggest problems, but it looks like it'll be fine with a slight breeze and I think that favors us if we are holding our marks.
And when did you last see Polson or LOB take an overhead? :P
I would have dropped Gibbons before last weekend, so I'm glad to be proven wrong. Kennedy in could be useful because one thing he does do is hit the scoreboard, which makes him more useful resting forward than Gibbons.
So maybe the option is Kennedy resting forward ahead of Gibbons spending more time in the midfield. Gibbons could be more than useful keeping pressure on Impey, Poppy and Scully. Yet I concede Kennedy when in form is probably the inside mid we need to give Cripps an occasional spell.
And when did you last see Polson or LOB take an overhead? :P
I'd see those two in purely negative roles, while Dow I see as an option to hurt them going the other way which changes the dynamic. You do not need to be a good mark to be a stopper on Poppy, but if you are going to try and attack you have to win the football outright in similar contests.
Just watched Access All Areas - boys are saying Harry Mac is the best pack mark since Travis Cloke, and also looks like the most natural forward out of him Gov and Charlie. Lloyd said if he can get his kicking right, "watch out." Emphasized the fact that he's only played 20 games.
Jeza.
Paul Roos has always hated the club and any player at the club. In fact years ago he had few choice words and opinions about Williams. He is a waisted option at the Carlton Football Club. Too old, too slow and lacking the skills and talent that he had when he played for the Swans. He should retire as he is past the “use by date”. This was repeated multiple times during our season. Funny enough in that particular season Williams won the Brownlow. I never listen to a flog who is biased and hates clubs enough that they can’t give credit when it is due. I hate Collingwood. Is Pendles a champion? Is Treloar a great player? Sure they are. It’s fact based on how they have played the game. Paul Roos=Flog.
Just watched Access All Areas - boys are saying Harry Mac is the best pack mark since Travis Cloke, and also looks like the most natural forward out of him Gov and Charlie. Lloyd said if he can get his kicking right, "watch out." Emphasized the fact that he's only played 20 games.
Did you think Travis Cloke was a great pack mark, or just a great pack mark for a Filth player?
If I were to make a comparison, I'd be comparing McKay to Sticks!
Can someone tell me who at Carlton did what to Paul Roos?
It must have been bad because he hates us with a passion you just don't see that much in the media.
On the couch they went straight into the Carlton win and he just sat there like he'd sucked a lemon. Kept saying it's only one win. Well thanks for that captain obvious.
Then his favourite highlight of the weekend was Harry's 100m run. But no mention of how exciting it was or any mention of Harry at all. Nope - his highlight was the Bulldogs bloke in the square who didn't allow the handball over the top.
Knowing Roos we'd only have to offer him a high paying job where he didn't have to do much for the money hungry sour puss to change his mind completely but I really hope we win a few more games to see his head turn a brighter shade of crimson.
Roos was a Carlton supporter as a youngster.
He probably dreamt of playing for Carlton.
After last weeks game against the Gold Coast he may have dreamt of coaching the club (may have even been sounded out by the shadowy ones) only to see that disappear in a puff of navy smoke on the weekend. ;) :D
Seriously....Who knows where it all went wrong.
I think it's something that others notice though as Healy was getting into him about not being as enthusiastic as the others couch members.
Can someone tell me who at Carlton did what to Paul Roos?
Yes, he played through the era in which we allegedly robbed him of success through our salary cap cheating!
I seem to recall something being mentioned in the past about players of Roos' vintage being jaded towards Carlton due to the salary cap rorts and they think they were denied a shot at a premiership due to that.
Roos has hated Carlton for as long as I can recall. And he has never been good at hiding it during his media career.
Did you think Travis Cloke was a great pack mark, or just a great pack mark for a Filth player?
If I were to make a comparison, I'd be comparing McKay to Sticks!
If you phrase the AAA boys differently, they could have said the best pack mark of the last 10 years. Either way, at his peak, Travis Cloke was a terrific mark, and I'll take the compliment and comparison with both hands.
I would have dropped Gibbons before last weekend, so I'm glad to be proven wrong. Kennedy in could be useful because one thing he does do is hit the scoreboard, which makes him more useful resting forward than Gibbons.
So maybe the option is Kennedy resting forward ahead of Gibbons spending more time in the midfield. Gibbons could be more than useful keeping pressure on Impey, Poppy and Scully. Yet I concede Kennedy when in form is probably the inside mid we need to give Cripps an occasional spell.
Don't forget Setterfield - who I'd like to see play in the 2s to really find his feet....
Don't forget Setterfield - who I'd like to see play in the 2s to really find his feet....
Good or bad form BB won't take a heap of run out of the team by dropping guys like O'Brien and Poulson for a potentially windy venue, only to bring in more slow inside mids like Setterfield and Kennedy.
Wallace was watching games where he played in the midfield, a number of times. Essendon thought seriously about drafting him as an inside midfield bull. Thanking for us he ran away from a booze bus. It's a job I reckon he could do well on a wing. Be a nice link coming out of defence.
Wallets must be confusing ruck for midfield, or he has just made it up.
Wallets must be confusing ruck for midfield, or he has just made it up.
my guess - the latter.
Charlie certainly played the Kouta style mid at center bounce stoppages during his TAC Cup season, many of us on here thought as much long term. He had the one handed crap on overdrive, but he lacked the same level of agility.
Late to the review and apologies if I repeat a lot of what's been said. Flew back in from overseas on Sunday morning and (much to wife's disgust) promptly parked it up and watched the game. It was as though the boys looked at everything we'd done wrong in the first 4 weeks and eliminated most of it. The disposal was cleaner, the ball movement was better and the number of clangers/turnovers was way down....it all added up to a great win.
Arguably career best games by McKay and SPS. Harry probably should've kicked 6 and SPS' clean disposal was something we've been asking for...he was precise when kicking. Loved Gibbons' game too...not just the goal but he worked hard up and down the ground. Same with Silvagni....worked hard up and down the ground and took something like 10 or 11 marks. It'll be hard to force him out this week even if Curnow gets up.
Not sure Jones has been beaten this year and him and Weitering are going along nicely.
Casboult was fantastic and IMHO is still the best one to have as backup ruckman to Kreuzer. It presents selection problems when Curnow is fit but he provides a presence and seems to be loving smashing packs and taking opposition blokes out. And 2 of the 3 goals were bombs from around the 50m mark. I'd much rather leave McKay as a permanent forward just with his marking ability at the moment.
Dow still frustrates with some of this skill errors and he just seems to lack a bit of polish. Not sure we can carry Gibbons and Polson and then O'Brien in the same side and also play Ed as a forward.
And what can you say about Cripps that hasn't been said already. The boy had captain written all over him from the day he walked into the club and he leads by example. With Tom Mitchell out and Martyn ineligible, he's a big chance for the Brownlow this year.
It's only one game but so much to like and if you can't get excited about what we've got with Sam Walsh then you should probably give it away. An absolute jet and Juddy summed it up on TV last night when he used the words "a generational player". The kid is seriously good and I'd be curious as to whether anyone can remember a better first 5 games in recent times? Not saying there hasn't been one but his have been superb.
Late to the review and apologies if I repeat a lot of what's been said. Flew back in from overseas on Sunday morning and (much to wife's disgust) promptly parked it up and watched the game. It was as though the boys looked at everything we'd done wrong in the first 4 weeks and eliminated most of it. The disposal was cleaner, the ball movement was better and the number of clangers/turnovers was way down....it all added up to a great win.
I reckon they ran far harder too.
Would love to see the GPS comparisons of a few players
I reckon they ran far harder too.
Would love to see the GPS comparisons of a few players
Yep agreed. Perhaps a few have watched young Sammy and said gee, we'd better extract a digit....
I reckon they ran far harder too.
Would love to see the GPS comparisons of a few players
Gibbons was pushing players to get into position, but I suspect it's being compared to Walsh that has a lot of them going that bit further! Pride must be some contributing factor, they just can't allow themselves to be shown up by a baby!
And don't under estimate just how much better we are with Kreuzer playing. Phillips and Lobbe give it their best but Kreuzer's work rate around the ground is pivotal.
Charlie certainly played the Kouta style mid at center bounce stoppages during his TAC Cup season, many of us on here thought as much long term. He had the one handed crap on overdrive, but he lacked the same level of agility.
He was playing in the ruck before he injured his knee LP - not midfield.
Of course Ed may have made it up to protect his own spot in the midfield and Blueseum and others are conspiring with Ed ????
He was playing in the ruck before he injured his knee LP - not midfield.
Of course Ed may have made it up to protect his own spot in the midfield and Blueseum and others are conspiring with Ed ????
Ruck rover maybe! ;D
Charlie himself said he modeled himself on Nat Fyfe as a tall mid who can play forward as a not so tall forward. Which is how he described himself to Shifter.
I think there was a mid-field video highlights package, if I find it I'll post a link.
FWIW, in 2015 Vic Country had a massive 200cm+ kid playing ruck, I think it was Sean Darcy who weighs in at 112kg and was drafted by Freo. I remember this because I wanted an aggro Mumford style ruck at Carlton and Darcy will be that type of player if he could get himself fit.
I reckon they ran far harder too.
Would love to see the GPS comparisons of a few players
Gibbons was around 5th or 6th in the league at around 16km for rnd 5. Walshy is no 2 in the league being Whitfield for distance covered.
Gibbons was around 5th or 6th in the league at around 16km for rnd 5. Walshy is no 2 in the league being Whitfield for distance covered.
Gibbons has been played out of position and does his best work up the ground getting the ball/linking up and then floating back down forward...thats how he won two Listons.
This pressure forward role is just a waste of his ability and anyone who watched him play at Willy will know he can run all day..
Gibbons has been played out of position and does his best work up the ground getting the ball/linking up and then floating back down forward...thats how he won two Listons.
This pressure forward role is just a waste of his ability and anyone who watched him play at Willy will know he can run all day..
I think Gibbons has been playing the same role all season. He just played slightly more in the middle on Sunday but essentially he's our starting small forward that helps out in the middle.
I think Gibbons has been playing the same role all season. He just played slightly more in the middle on Sunday but essentially he's our starting small forward that helps out in the middle.
Yes, but that's entirely missing EB's (valid) point jeza!
I think Gibbons has been playing the same role all season. He just played slightly more in the middle on Sunday but essentially he's our starting small forward that helps out in the middle.
I agree. He spends a lot of time in the midfield, as do most small forwards now, and his midfield contribution has ramped up with each game.
I think it's crazy to suggest that he has been played out of position. While I am pleasantly surprised with his recent performances, he took a couple of games to adjust to AFL tempo and it would have been a disaster to throw him in at the midfield deep end. It's just another example of how the club is taking a long term approach and Gibbons will benefit from that.
I know it may not be the most reliable indicator but consider his disposal stats; 11, 16, 4 (against a very good midfield), 16, 21. If his development continues, he will be an important cog in our midfield for years to come.
I agree. He spends a lot of time in the midfield, as do most small forwards now, and his midfield contribution has ramped up with each game.
I think it's crazy to suggest that he has been played out of position. While I am pleasantly surprised with his recent performances, he took a couple of games to adjust to AFL tempo and it would have been a disaster to throw him in at the midfield deep end. It's just another example of how the club is taking a long term approach and Gibbons will benefit from that.
I know it may not be the most reliable indicator but consider his disposal stats; 11, 16, 4 (against a very good midfield), 16, 21. If his development continues, he will be an important cog in our midfield for years to come.
Spot on.
I have no doubts that Gibbo is a natural midfielder who can also go forward and kick goals. But, to have put him in the heat from the get-go would have been unfair and unrealistic (Walshs are a rare breed re straight into the heat and straight into high achieving... as Bruce might say ...'he's very special.'). Easing him into the midfield seemed logical and practical, but it's definitely where he belongs and will only get better probably gradually taking over from Murphy.
Love Gibbo's ability to kick on his left pretty much as well as his right. Only bettered by Samo.
Love Gibbo's ability to kick on his left pretty much as well as his right. Only bettered by Samo.
Good call, kicked a few left foot goals for Willy too over the years, pity he cant kick a bit further with either foot, Kane Lambert has mentored him a bit and
he plays his footy in a similar way. Nothing too pretty but was very effective everytime he touched it at VFL level just like Lambert he needs to make every possie count.
Like Lambert he is also a good tap/knock on of the footy to team mates advantage and needs to do more of that at senior level.