Carlton Supporters Club

Faf's not as smart as he thinks.

I wonder what name SEN will give the new Lyon / Watson Breakfast Show, any suggestions?

Well Lods, a bit of positive reinforcement going on there based on who was posting back then and who is posting now!

The reason we lost was obviously Edelsten!

LP...People invest when they get a return, or they invest their money elsewhere...the old Carlton forgot about the rank and file and have paid the price since.
Trigg has tried to mend that bridge but the only way back is to be successful and win games.....too many of the old punters remember the clubs love for Corporates, Pokie kings and cardboard entrepreneurs...and the disdain of man in the street members who were treated with contempt by the likes of Elliott etc...
Pies and Dons have always encouraged the working man to the club and never turned them away and thats why even in bad times they stick fat...

If the doc is sitting in our coaches box on live national tv, right behind our senior coach,  then I would suggest that he is a public face of the club. As far as "embracing different types" I don't have a problem with that in principle as long as they enhance the club or at minimum do not detract from it.  I personally firmly believe that we must exercise care as to how much and from whom we  accept money and, most importantly, what they might be asking in return. I would hate to think we are prepared to just sell ourselves and our brand to anyone offering a bag of gold without careful regard as to how beneficial in overall terms, not just financial, that may be for us.

So if the Comancheros decided to kick in mega dollars and have their president or sergeant at arms sit in the box with Bolts, you'd be ok this?

And I will give you a tip HEB. I really don't give that much of a fig wrt to what media types think about Edelesten. I, personally, do not want him as a public face of my footy club and being seen in the coaches box on tv is pretty public - too bl00dy public. If you think it's OK for him to be there on payment of a few $s then that's up to you, we see it differently. I don't like it as, in view of his past antics, it lowers the tone of my club. That is my personal view but I don't think you'll see it happen again and I will be mightily disappointed if it does.

I hope we've moved on and the club and its supporters are never again embarrassed by Edelsten's presence in the coach's box or any other position of prominence.

Fair amount of rumour? 

John Nicholls served 3 months for embezzlement and larceny in 1960.  He was also fined for fraud in 1980 after his Carlton career had finished.  Both are fairly minor matters in comparison to 12 months for attempting to pervert the course of justice and engaging a hitman to intimidate a witness.

Who said anything about removing him as a member? 

Anything that reflects badly on the club has a negative impact.  That's why Richmond stopped King bringing Mitchell into the rooms.  I really can't see much difference.

The guy OWES us money!!  He's been a bad debt!!  He received goods and services and wasn't able to pay!!  He's a bafoon with serious history who is openly welcomed by us. Name of the swimming pool at the club???

How many undesirables barrack for Collingwood, probably pay dollars to the coffers but Eddie is smart enough to totally disassociate the club with them.  Toby Mitchell lasted 30 secs with an association with Richmond. It's all about perception, culture and what you stand for as a club, the type of person you want mixing with and access to your young, sometimes vulnerable players. 

Read his history and his current situation. Would you want a guy like that sitting on the end of your kid's bed reading nighttime stories??

Last year, we were the laughing stock of the league and other supporters after the Malthouse / Collingwood game, both because of the result of the game and the colorful character we had in the box.  Would any other club allow one of this town's colorful characters in the box, even if they wanted to pay big bucks?? Don't think so!!

Arguably our greatest player ever fell foul of the law (twice) over financial issues.....so where do we draw a line?

There's a great difference between the two situations.  For a start, Edelsten was convicted of attempting to pervert the course of justice and is actively conniving to avoid paying his debts.

Edelsten is regularly in the media for the wrong reasons including the latest episode where his debt to CFC was raised.  That's not good publicity for the club.