Sunday 20 April@1640
Etihad Stadium (away game)
Must win game. Actually, if it was me I'd be saying win or there's no next week for a bunch of people.
Judd is back (pffft fat chance)
Won't be able to attend. Probably a good things after today.
Seriously, we should be smashed. They are playing much better footy than we are: they have form and confidence after coming back against GWS. We are dragging our asses so badly, that we need tyres.
wont be able to attend - need to wash the concrete
Was going to go but not now, fat chance, why should I make the effort. Was going to take my whole family for the first time. But for what for, to watch a bunch of guys run around and kick a footy with no HEART and collect a pay cheque >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
0-5. Another one bites the dust.
Will stay home and flog myself with a length of wire cable... it's $37.50 cheaper and gives the same feeling.
Will stay home and flog myself with a length of wire cable... it's $37.50 cheaper and gives the same feeling.
Michael hutchence tried that, didn't go good
Flagellation not flogellation.
The Dogs play with passion, conviction & as a team - three key ingredients we sadly lack.
We will get pumped next week !!
Flagellation not flogellation.
i'll take any elation
Wouldn't be surprised if we have Elevated Wood next Sunday
About time Wood got a run. But that would require our coach to think outside the square...
About time Wood got a run. But that would require our coach to think outside the square...
would be stiff to miss out.
Wood up against Minson... That should work out well.
Jamo is injured. Confirmed. May struggle to get up. But he is of no use injured.
Thomas has an injured shoulder and probably shouldn't play.
Apparently Warnock got reported. Interesting to see how that goes. Assume he gets pinged - we usually do. Then Wood has to come in.
Waite and Garlett didn't do enough in the VFL. However, Broke and Tommy Bell did what they could. Both are chances.
Docherty looked good again, according to Baggers and the official report. However, he missed enough that he is not match fit yet.
Judd is supposed to be back, but it is extremely unlikely that he will be 100 %.
Things could look worse, but they are not looking good.
Can we change our tune and gain some form and confidence for next week? I'd like to think so, but it looks extremely improbable.
I'm almost happy my wife invited the relations up for Easter.
I really, really, really, really want to be positive about this game.
Why I can't be positive about this game:
We have no dominant/in form KPPs. Waite offered no reason to be optimistic today for the NBs. I'd say don't play him and give a kid KPP a go... but we don't have any. So he'll probably be back. Lucky boy.
Watson was towelled up today by someone who moved a lot (and ended up best for Frangertown).
Rowe aint gonna make it.
Casboult's a nearly, almost kind of guy (at senior level... really good for the NBs).
Jammo is now injured?
And that leaves Henderson. Clone him... quickly. Need another 3 of him. How lucky we got this cat by accident!
So no spine (perhaps in other ways as well) for the Dishlickers game. There are other reasons but that is enough for now... oh, except that other coaches seem to have worked out the achilles heal of the CFC playing list.
I wonder what super surprise the coach has up his sleeve for the Bulldogs?
Hope its a 30 goal thrashing. It's the only way to get rid of MM.
Won't be going - better things to do with my time.
In fact, won't be wasting any more of my time going to games until I see at least that our team is actually trying and showing a smidgin of respect for members and supporters. Maybe then I get my ass along. >:(
DOgs by 78 points
I wonder what super surprise the coach has up his sleeve for the Bulldogs?
Hope its a 30 goal thrashing. It's the only way to get rid of MM.
This. He can't keep getting away with losses the axe will fall eventually. He's the new Mark Neeld of the AFL.
What would it take to get Ratten back after he has downloaded everything he needs from the Hawks?
So long as he can bring the players as well.
Wouldn't be surprised if we have Elevated Wood next Sunday
Ill have elevated Wood if we ever win another friggin game
So long as he can bring the players as well.
And Clarko
The Dogs play with passion, conviction & as a team - three key ingredients we sadly lack.
We will get pumped next week !!
Unfortunately , you are spot on. And it's something you can't buy, it's instilled by your self and surroundings eg club and culture. And we don't have that , it's obvious.
What would it take to get Ratten back after he has downloaded everything he needs from the Hawks?
How would the players respond to getting him back? Do we really know what they thought of him?
Can someone tell me what happened to Menzel ?
I was at the game but I've heard nothing and can't find anything here !
Cheers
Stock
Can someone tell me what happened to Menzel ?
I was at the game but I've heard nothing and can't find anything here !
Cheers
Stock
Hammy i think mate,
Can someone tell me what happened to Menzel ?
I was at the game but I've heard nothing and can't find anything here !
Cheers
Stock
Hammy i think mate,
Bad corky according to the radiola.
Can someone tell me what happened to Menzel ?
I was at the game but I've heard nothing and can't find anything here !
Cheers
Stock
Hammy i think mate,
Corky in a marking contest on the boundary line. Saw it happen and he came up limping after the contact.
Can someone tell me what happened to Menzel ?
I was at the game but I've heard nothing and can't find anything here !
Cheers
Stock
Hammy i think mate,
Corky in a marking contest on the boundary line. Saw it happen and he came up limping after the contact.
My mate got a corky last year, one of the worst i've ever seen, 8 weeks out, and he still has pain in his kneecap when he jumps and lands, and thats a thigh corky. Absolute worst case scenario that is, He'll probs miss a week or two if he had to be subbed out
Cheers boys
Buckley. Waite Dougherty
Giles Henderson. Simpson
Thomas McLean Yarran
Everett Walker. Gibbs
Cripps Casboult. Ellard
Wood. Judd. Murphy
Graham, Cripps, Bell Curnow
In: Bell, McLean, Giles, Waite, Dougherty, Judd, Wood,
Out: Menzel (inj) Jammo (inj) Scotland, Carrazzo, Lucas, Warnock, Rowe (all omitted)
Just to start the conversation
Scotland - back the youth (Dougherty)
Carrazzo - Brought back too early (Bell)
Warlock - See what Wood can do
Rowe - Waite is x 10 better and won't get the yips down back.
Lucas - We were promised Judd by Round 5!
McLean - need strength in the clinches
Giles - back the youth
In: Bell, McLean, Giles, Waite, Dougherty, Judd, Wood,
Out: Menzel (inj) Jammo (inj) Scotland, Carrazzo, Lucas, Warnock, Rowe (all omitted)
Wood is still a rookie, how the hell does he get a game if there is no LTI spot available yet!
Plus after Baggers report, he mentioned Wood looked to be struggling to keep up at VFL level let alone take on one of AFLs top three ruckmen at the moment.
Minson will mince Warnock, what he will do to our others might be career ending for them!
Duigan and Kreuzer could be LTIs.
Duigan and Kreuzer could be LTIs.
Yet we hesitate in making the nomination, why?
Because our MC are dills. Kind of like continuing with Walker in defence or leaving Touhy to get murdered in defence 4 weeks running (.... I'd try him on a wing). The definition of insanity; continuing to do the same thing expecting a different result....
Can someone tell me what happened to Menzel ?
I was at the game but I've heard nothing and can't find anything here !
Cheers
Stock
Hammy i think mate,
Corky in a marking contest on the boundary line. Saw it happen and he came up limping after the contact.
And still laid a tackle and won a free kick before he went off, he's a ripper.
In: Bell, McLean, Giles, Waite, Dougherty, Judd, Wood,
Out: Menzel (inj) Jammo (inj) Scotland, Carrazzo, Lucas, Warnock, Rowe (all omitted)
Wood is still a rookie, how the hell does he get a game if there is no LTI spot available yet!
Um, a guy called Kreuser (remember him??) is the reason we can evelvate a rookie!
Independent VFL report:
From the VFL: "Brock McLean led the way for the Northern Blues with 36 disposals, Tom Bell had 30 (three goals) and Sam Docherty 26, with White, Nick Holman and
Cameron Wood (47 hitouts) among their best"
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant!
Um, a guy called Kreuser (remember him??) is the reason we can evelvate a rookie!
Independent VFL report:
From the VFL: "Brock McLean led the way for the Northern Blues with 36 disposals, Tom Bell had 30 (three goals) and Sam Docherty 26, with White, Nick Holman and Cameron Wood (47 hitouts) among their best"
Never let the facts get in the way of a good rant!
It wasn't a rant, and Wood is still yet to be elevated despite weeks of people posting on here he is a certain "In". It would seem the MC, so far at least, doesn't agree! They have had the Duigan spot available since December, haven't they?
You will know from my posting history here I give HO stats very little credence as it is only about 1/3 of what a ruckmen needs to do to play well, and it would seem Leigh Matthews agrees so without wanting to offend you I'll defer to agree with Leigh. ;)
Wood is an interesting one.
As I mentioned in my report yesterday (the apprentice RR :) ) Wood was the dominant big man on the ground and did some good around the ground. Although he had the most tap outs not all were well placed for the mids... still too many at blokes feet, which to me means only fair tap work.
He does read the play well; has good hands (can actually mark the thing!!!) and good foot / disposal skills. But the step up from NBs to senior selection would be a big move. I'd want to see more in the twos. And better fitness.
Might get his chance this week if Warnock gets rubbed out. Or does Levi get the ruck gig and Waite return to CHF?
Wood is an interesting one.
As I mentioned in my report yesterday (the apprentice RR :) ) Wood was the dominant big man on the ground and did some good around the ground. Although he had the most tap outs not all were well placed for the mids... still too many at blokes feet, which to me means only fair tap work.
He does read the play well; has good hands (can actually mark the thing!!!) and good foot / disposal skills. But the step up from NBs to senior selection would be a big move. I'd want to see more in the twos. And better fitness.
Might get his chance this week if Warnock gets rubbed out. Or does Levi get the ruck gig and Waite return to CHF?
Its Will Minson this week and he generally does a number on our ruckman....Levi wouldnt have a hope in containing him and Wood has to play IMO.
Sunday 20 April@1640
Etihad Stadium (away game)
Must win game. Actually, if it was me I'd be saying win or there's no next week for a bunch of people.
Judd is back (pffft fat chance)
Don't you want to get a priority pick plus picks 1-10 ;) ;) ;) ;)
wont be able to attend - need to wash the concrete
Won't be able to attend.
have to watch grass grow ::) ::)
Will stay home and flog myself with a length of wire cable... it's $37.50 cheaper and gives the same feeling.
I might just flog myself........but without the wire cable :-* :-* :-*
Jamo is injured. Confirmed. May struggle to get up. But he is of no use injured.
Thomas has an injured shoulder and probably shouldn't play.
Apparently Warnock got reported. Interesting to see how that goes. Assume he gets pinged - we usually do. Then Wood has to come in.
Waite and Garlett didn't do enough in the VFL. However, Broke and Tommy Bell did what they could. Both are chances.
Docherty looked good again, according to Baggers and the official report. However, he missed enough that he is not match fit yet.
Judd is supposed to be back, but it is extremely unlikely that he will be 100 %.
Things could look worse, but they are not looking good.
Can we change our tune and gain some form and confidence for next week? I'd like to think so, but it looks extremely improbable.
I'm almost happy my wife invited the relations up for Easter.
If Waite isn't injured, he MUST play. Couldn't care less how badly he's going. He has the ability to do things from time to time, that others in the team can't do.
He should never have been dropped.
Murphy being our forward target, albeit to try and take Jones out of the game, is evidence enough that Waite should have played and that it was a stupid decision to leave him out. ::)
The Herald-Sun has interesting and insightful views on the Carlton situation.
Bit like you guys have being saying.
Perhaps we should elevate us to run the Carlton Board
The Herald-Sun has interesting and insightful views on the Carlton situation.
Bit like you guys have being saying.
Perhaps we should elevate us to run the Carlton Board
Not the worst idea going around at the moment.
ON THE BLOCK: Another week, another loss. But where does the finger pointing land? The Blues are likely to lose one or two to injury, but how many others will Mick point out? Zach Tuohy was well below his best against the Dess, Andrejs Everitt hasn’t showed anything like his pre-season form, and if Mick wanted to make a real statement then Dale Thomas would certainly be that.
ON THE CUSP: For the second straight week at least there’s good news for the Blues in that the twos are pushing up. Former Lion Sam Docherty was among the best for the Northern Blues and looks a certainty to earn his first start in a Carlton jumper. Brock McLean, Tom Bell (three goals) and Simon White were also good in the narrow win. Jarrad Waite kicked two goals, but Jeff Garlett didn’t do a heap at the lower level.
BEN BROAD’S FORECAST: After being rolled by the Demons, the task doesn’t get any easier for the underwhelming Blues this week — a meeting with the Western Bulldogs at Etihad Stadium on Sunday. One senses the Blues just need a sniff — and their confidence up — before they might get rolling in a match. Expect Waite to return as he’s too good to be playing in the VFL and would stretch the Dogs at the back. It should be an interesting selection meeting at Visy Park.
HS 14/4/14
After last week I'm surprised he only found three names ;D
The Herald-Sun has interesting and insightful views on the Carlton situation.
Bit like you guys have being saying.
Perhaps we should elevate us to run the Carlton Board
I called:
Malthouse was Pagan mark II.
Greg Swann overrated.
Murphy not a captain.
Thomas a huge risk.
Let's face it, if I was in charge none of this crap would've happened.
VOTE #1 PASSIT2CARROTS.
C'mon Carrots . If you were in charge Jordan Russell would be playing coach . ;)
Be nice for people to suggest something instead of just slagging, seems to be the small paper way. We could all name 20 blokes on the block...
Everitt to be played in his best position (running half back). Betwixt and between this bloke.
Thomas to be omitted if he ain't fit (clearly is only half fit anyway).
Touhy to played up the ground and old to take the game on.
Be nice for people to suggest something instead of just slagging, seems to be the small paper way. We could all name 20 blokes on the block...
Everitt to be played in his best position (running half back). Betwixt and between this bloke.
Thomas to be omitted if he ain't fit (clearly is only half fit anyway).
Touhy to played up the ground and old to take the game on.
Presuming Jamo is out then blockhead Watson will probably have to play or we throw Giles in...
Warnock out...Wood in
Touhy out...Doherty in
Waite in....
Bell in....Daisy out(rest that shoulder)
Robbo in....Lucas out
I'd give Mclean another week in the two's....
I remember Ratten got the team off the deck and played kids like Bell and we beat the Bulldogs when were not expected to.....
If Watson wasn't considered good enough to cover a half fit Dawes then I don't see what match up there is in the league for him.... CHF?
If Watson wasn't considered good enough to cover a half fit Dawes then I don't see what match up there is in the league for him.... CHF?
Watson is too unreliable as a defender IMO and certainly vulnerable speed-wise. If we are to try and salvage anything from him I agree CHF would be worth a try. We could try and exploit his long kicking abilities but our delivery to him would need to be pretty good.
I would keep Lachie forward and bring Waite back into the defence. If Jamo is out especially, we'll have to stick with Rowe in defence as well. In fact we should stick with him for a while and see if some more match time will improve him - despite what others have said I think we could make a reasonable defender out of him until we can find someone better longer term.
I dont see the point of yo-yoing Watson up and down. Between the 1's and the 2's. He is now big enough and old enough to at least park on an opposition forward, and get him to follow the bloke around all game. Concede he is going to cost you some goals, and just let him get up to the pace of AFL football.
Particularly now with a 0-4 start, that booming kick, and not much else to replace Jamison. You dont know what this kid might start doing regularly if he can get 10 games in a row at AFL level.
Sure there is as much chance it goes the other way, but we have nothing to lose now. We wont be contesting for a top 4 spot from here without a serious turn of form, and Id rather not make up the numbers for the warm and fuzzies of playing finals football, as we have been there and done that now.
The big question is whether the club wants primarily to try and rescue something from the season in terms of ladder position or whether it wants to put senior development time into the kids. I suspect the former atm.
Be nice for people to suggest something instead of just slagging, seems to be the small paper way. We could all name 20 blokes on the block...
Everitt to be played in his best position (running half back). Betwixt and between this bloke.
Thomas to be omitted if he ain't fit (clearly is only half fit anyway).
Touhy to played up the ground and old to take the game on.
Presuming Jamo is out then blockhead Watson will probably have to play or we throw Giles in...
Warnock out...Wood in
Touhy out...Doherty in
Waite in....
Bell in....Daisy out(rest that shoulder)
Robbo in....Lucas out
I'd give Mclean another week in the two's....
I remember Ratten got the team off the deck and played kids like Bell and we beat the Bulldogs when were not expected to.....
I suspect Simon White will get a recall if Jammo's out injured. White was good for the NBs on Sunday... especially up forward.
Although Brock got plenty of the aggott (best game for the year) his disposal by hand wasn't up to his usual standard. Like a lot of the blokes in the seniors, his passes were short of the mark. But I reckon he'll get a recall. Dinger will be in as will Robbo. Waite will no doubt also get a gig. Love to see Zackery around the middle and Docherty take up a spot on HB. But, gee, Docherty might be spent by half time. He started like a jet on Sunday but lack of fitness caught up with him.
The big question is whether the club wants primarily to try and rescue something from the season in terms of ladder position or whether it wants to put senior development time into the kids. I suspect the former atm.
If it's the latter they can't waste anymore time on blokes who've had their papers stamped for next season. Just let them bide their time in the NB's. It was good enough for Laidler.
The big question is whether the club wants primarily to try and rescue something from the season in terms of ladder position or whether it wants to put senior development time into the kids. I suspect the former atm.
If it's the latter they can't waste anymore time on blokes who've had their papers stamped for next season. Just let them bide their time in the NB's. It was good enough for Laidler.
We might struggle to field a team!
I dont see the point of yo-yoing Watson up and down. Between the 1's and the 2's. He is now big enough and old enough to at least park on an opposition forward, and get him to follow the bloke around all game. Concede he is going to cost you some goals, and just let him get up to the pace of AFL football.
Particularly now with a 0-4 start, that booming kick, and not much else to replace Jamison. You dont know what this kid might start doing regularly if he can get 10 games in a row at AFL level.
Sure there is as much chance it goes the other way, but we have nothing to lose now. We wont be contesting for a top 4 spot from here without a serious turn of form, and Id rather not make up the numbers for the warm and fuzzies of playing finals football, as we have been there and done that now.
Would rather him forward. Hendo not going so well up forward and is always sure in defence so that's probably a win there as well
theres no way we're going to win this game
it takes a thick skin and serious resolve to hit back
we don't have that when things are going good.
theres no way we're going to win this game
it takes a thick skin and serious resolve to hit back
we don't have that when things are going good.
I do feel for Mick. I would be dreading what these guys might put up this weekend.
Could it possibly be worse than what we have dished up so far ?
These guys gave us trouble even when we were up and running.
Their young midfield will show the softc*cks like Murph and Gibbs how its done.
Minson will dominate the Ruck
Jones and Crameri will have a birthday up forward
Morris will blanket whose ever turn it is to be our inaffective key forward this week.
Dogs by 45 points.
We'll I think I will just stay home and watch Cobram v Barroga at least both sides will be having a real dip sick of the drive to watch What we have been dishing up
Of course we can win this one. Mick just needs to give the team licence to play one on one footy, pick the team on form, and put some effort into getting them ready to play.
That may be asking a little too much of the coach but, if he's worth the money we're throwing at him, he should be able to get the job done.
I just listened to the longest grilling I have seen on FC of our great coach. Dodging every attach by the entire panel. Trying to defend the players. Trying to explain how close we are to being a good side. how unlucky we have been with a pre-season, injuries, lack of belief and confidence and so on. After hearing more than enough of what I can possibly take from a coach that believes he has the back of his playing squad. All the players support and back him as the coach he says. They all believe he is the one to lead them through this rot to greener pastures he claims. Back to a different position to where they are at the moment. Plain and simple Moe. Listen to me one and only one time here Moe.
If you group of scum sucking little girls pretending to be men can grow a pair and play like they really believe you for what you say, then maybe we can expect less than a 10 goal defeat. However if they are what we all believe them to be then we are going to be reamed by way more than 10 goals. In fact this entire club is a complete and utter joke. to watch what I have in the media is more embarrassing than anything I have lived through my entire life. In fact I am completely sorry for stating they play like girls. So sorry because girls have more heart and ticker than this group. It isn't a gender issue, but a lack of respect for the supporters and lack of passion, courage and desire to earn your ticket.
The ticket which is in fact your contract, you bunch of weak f@cks. Both you as a playing group and the coach need to be whipped with a cat and 9 tails. You bunch of weak pathetic f*cks. That was an interview I never ever want to see again. That makes me want to go and get a GCS membership to have something to look forward to over the next 2 years. That was just embarrassing like I haven't seen before.
Moe, the players have lost you. I have finally lost you. GTF out of this club before the supporters burn down all the stands at Visy Park. Go back to Larry and Curly and hand back the million you are wasting from the club at the moment. Just my anger speaking, but your come backs from past experience leaves me with no confidence at all. If we don't win this week, hang on when we don't win this week, you can go and get as far as I am concerned. Take Buttifant, Laidley, Green and Baker with you as far as I am concerned. We are completely rubbish and the media has seen this first hand tonight on FC. Even Lyon made Moe look bad. Carro, Hutch the knob, and Lloyd the loser too.
Bad retirement plan you picked Moe. Real bad plan indeed. You chose a group that can't listen because they are plain and simply lazy. Gutless, weak, slow, rubbish, selfish, and good for nothing. That is what the real world outside the club see.
Now lets see what most of us supporters see. Yes we have hope. Yes we have a mathematical chance of playing finals footy. Yes we were slightly unlucky with injuries over the pre-season. Yes we are slightly down in confidence. Yes we have missed some scoring opportunities we should have scored. Yes we lack some 4 quarter efforts of following the game plan. Mick you are a legend and a track proven champion coach. you get the best out of the worst players. You make diamonds out of dog crap. You lift the world on your shoulders and carry little boys into battle against the worlds toughest gladiators. Great one Mick, we back you because you are our hero. Well done Mick you have done so much for so many years. You are just what this club has always needed.
Mick or Moe is all I ask ?????
@Mants
Mate I feel your pain but MM is one year and 4 games into his contract. He has brought in 4 quality players this draft in Cripps, Daisy, Everitt and Docherty. Next draft maybe more than 4 which shall represent nearly 50% of our list in just 2 years.
Malthouse has done this before and figured in 7 Grand finals. Unlike Pagan he is now at the helm of his 4th club.
Give him another year.
Realistc and optimistic is so far apart it isn't funny. Just leaving it out there for others to judge. ;)
@Mants
Mate I feel your pain but MM is one year and 4 games into his contract. He has brought in 4 quality players this draft in Cripps, Daisy, Everitt and Docherty. Next draft maybe more than 4 which shall represent nearly 50% of our list in just 2 years.
Malthouse has done this before and figured in 7 Grand finals. Unlike Pagan he is now at the helm of his 4th club.
Give him another year.
No JK. Malthouse was drafted in to provide what Ratten was judged incapable of; taking a promising playing group into the final four and winning a premiership.
The appointment of Malthouse is not really his fault, if you ignore his willingness to undermine a contracted coach and then deny any wrongdoing (not that he has a reputation for honesty). It's symptomatic of a club that only achieved success in the recent past through bringing in saviours rather than doing the hard yards.
Four quality players in the draft? That would be Cripps, who is promising but has a long way to go. I suspect Giles may well be a better prospect, particularly with our fragile spine.
Everitt and Docherty were traded in and Thomas was acquired by paying overs through free agency. The latter three may turn out OK but the jury is still out. Who did Malthouse bring in hid first season? Oh, that's right, he was too busy flogging his best selling book.
As a matter of interest, the turnover of our list at the end of 2013 was not that different to the turnover in previous seasons.
Well said DJC, good to see Mick's not pulling the wool over everyone's eyes.
Warnock's report got thrown out, so he is right to play. Should we ply him? Should we bring in Wood? At least he can act as a marking target.
Warnock's report got thrown out, so he is right to play. Should we ply him? Should we bring in Wood? At least he can act as a marking target.
Why hasn't the club nominated Wood as a LTI replacement?
I can only assume that maybe they are not confident Wood can get through a season, or that they prefer to look at one of the other rookies instead.
Warnock's report got thrown out, so he is right to play. Should we ply him? Should we bring in Wood? At least he can act as a marking target.
Why hasn't the club nominated Wood as a LTI replacement?
I can only assume that maybe they are not confident Wood can get through a season, or that they prefer to look at one of the other rookies instead.
Have you seen our injure list, MC have prety much a full list to pick from,there is no LTI. Kruezer is 12 weeks maybe could qualify, don't know the current state of play.
Warnock's report got thrown out, so he is right to play. Should we ply him? Should we bring in Wood? At least he can act as a marking target.
Why hasn't the club nominated Wood as a LTI replacement?
I can only assume that maybe they are not confident Wood can get through a season, or that they prefer to look at one of the other rookies instead.
Given Wood's history, he may very well be of the same psyche as our group.
Malthouse knows him as well as anybody and exposing him to what the team is currently going through might simply break him forever. I think he might also be of similar fortitude to our playing group and the sad part is that it seems really infectious and seems to effect everyone eventually. I think we should see minimal changes aside from what is necessary until we can start getting a run of form together, because we are clearly completely out of form at the minute.
There is one game that our club absolutely must win and thats the Collingwood encounter. It is firming as the match that will kick start our season now. A win against any other team just wont matter, until we face them, and I would think we probably wont win till we play against them. In fact, Crystal Balling, its the one match that I can see us winning, simply because there is a loss will just be a disaster that will break the club forever.
Warnock's report got thrown out, so he is right to play. Should we ply him? Should we bring in Wood? At least he can act as a marking target.
Why hasn't the club nominated Wood as a LTI replacement?
I can only assume that maybe they are not confident Wood can get through a season, or that they prefer to look at one of the other rookies instead.
Mick was talking up Warnock on FC...2nd most tapouts ths season but when it was suggested he does bugger all else said he knows he has to improve.
Called him young Warnock....
Warnock's report got thrown out, so he is right to play. Should we ply him? Should we bring in Wood? At least he can act as a marking target.
Why hasn't the club nominated Wood as a LTI replacement?
I can only assume that maybe they are not confident Wood can get through a season, or that they prefer to look at one of the other rookies instead.
Mick was talking up Warnock on FC...2nd most tapouts ths season but when it was suggested he does bugger all else said he knows he has to improve.
Called him young Warnock....
He did correct himself EB1.
He mentioned young ruckmen, Kreuzer and Warnock, then corrected himself that Warnock was 28 not young. But did say Warnock needed to do far more around the ground and that Warnock knows that. So I don't see that as a negative.
I thought the interrogation handed out by the Stooges was deliberate and misleading, they wanted to give MM a barrage of questions with barely enough time to answer them. They were trying to poke the bear and the bear didn't bite! I suppose that is why they call it the hot seat, but it was far hotter than it has been for any others and Mav alluded to that earlier!
When MM had his moment with Caro it was justified in my opinion, he basically told her to stop making stuff up and she didn't like it! She was arguing a case like she knew the thoughts of the individual players, she assumed they conformed to her perceptions! Lyon saw the situation degenerate so he jumped into change the subject before Caro could lose face, like she was ever going to win a debate on this issue with Malthouse!
Heard that the Dogs are having trouble with their tall defenders, and that they might be forced to go in with a pretty short defence.\
Should we bring in Waite as a result.
Heard that the Dogs are having trouble with their tall defenders, and that they might be forced to go in with a pretty short defence.\
Should we bring in Waite as a result.
Sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place when you drop a senior player and he doesn't perform in the reserves. I guess the old bloke knows what he's doing......or does he?
Heard that the Dogs are having trouble with their tall defenders, and that they might be forced to go in with a pretty short defence.\
Should we bring in Waite as a result.
We are having trouble with our tall defenders too..I'd play Waite at CHB and get him into the game.
Casboult can have another go at FF along with Henderson at CHF....
Now if someone can tell Mick we need a good player on Dalhaus...not some kid in their first game or a player with no leg speed we
might be a chance....
Dalhaus is listed as having a calf issue, so he might not be 100% even if he plays.
Grant had a birthday against us last year, and he's not there this time round.
Morris and Roughhead out also.
Perfect chance for Levi and Waite to finally stand up.
If he cant do anything against an undersized defence, well then we might as well give up on them.
Heard that the Dogs are having trouble with their tall defenders, and that they might be forced to go in with a pretty short defence.\
Should we bring in Waite as a result.
Won't help us much if Minson and the Dogs mids get hold of us, the ball will be heading in the wrong direction!
I think we will get humped by the doggies (pardon the pun). I imagine the effort will better but we will just fall short.
I have read a few times, Mick won't be instructing the ultra defensive game plan. Allowing the players to carry and run. This shoot out style could lift our confidence, but with turnovers, we could bleed heavy on the scoreboard when the ball comes the other way. Dogs carry the ball well and are not an easy side to stop. Plan "A" hasn't worked well and plan "B" could be just as bad. I hope I am wrong, but I also suspect I am not ATM.
We need more options up forward IMHO, preferably 4 marking targets with 3 taller defenders down back.
Waite back in and he plays down back like I have been saying, and asking for.
Henderson, Casboult and two others forward. This week I'd be looking at Everitt, Walker and White as options.
Warnock to ruck.
Rowe, Waite and one other down back. If Jamison is out then looks like Watson has to come in.
I think we're getting caught out....and have been for more than a year IMO.....with not enough taller players down back or enough taller marking tagets (and mobile ones, or most of them mobile at least) up forward.
Our midfield looked so soft on the weekend. I would bring in Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield so we can be competitive.
Our midfield looked so soft on the weekend. I would bring in Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield so we can be competitive.
Problem is we Can't kick and our disposal is shocking. So there is a gulf in class between our skilled players and hard nuts. These guys are not the answer to our disposal efficiency and will make it worse.
Really is quite depressing.
I would be bringing in Docherty ASAP.
I would be bringing in Docherty ASAP.
Docherty will help the HB line not the midfield.
I would be bringing in Docherty ASAP.
Docherty will help the HB line not the midfield.
Unless he frees up someone like Tuohy to go in the middle...
Still not quite what was required.
I would be bringing in Docherty ASAP.
Docherty will help the HB line not the midfield.
Actually he did both for the NBs on Sunday and was great no matter where he played. His fitness is the only issue. Was near knackered late in the game on Sunday and the seniors will be much more demanding. But gotta start somewhere - just wouldn't expect him if he gets a senior gig to be the 'difference'.
Actually he did both for the NBs on Sunday and was great no matter where he played. His fitness is the only issue. Was near knackered late in the game on Sunday and the seniors will be much more demanding. But gotta start somewhere - just wouldn't expect him if he gets a senior gig to be the 'difference'.
Thanks for the update Baggers, the highlights I have seen only had him running off the HBF.
Actually he did both for the NBs on Sunday and was great no matter where he played. His fitness is the only issue. Was near knackered late in the game on Sunday and the seniors will be much more demanding. But gotta start somewhere - just wouldn't expect him if he gets a senior gig to be the 'difference'.
Thanks for the update Baggers, the highlights I have seen only had him running off the HBF.
I'd love him off half back if it means Walker goes forward.
Our midfield looked so soft on the weekend. I would bring in Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield so we can be competitive.
Oooo there's some class...said no one ever! Opo midfields would be pooling their pants facing those blokes. Seriously Robbo, Bell, McLean and Army are not the answer to our midfield woes IMO.
Our midfield looked so soft on the weekend. I would bring in Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield so we can be competitive.
Problem is we Can't kick and our disposal is shocking. So there is a gulf in class between our skilled players and hard nuts. These guys are not the answer to our disposal efficiency and will make it worse.
Really is quite depressing.
I would be bringing in Docherty ASAP.
Agree shades. Also liked the bits I saw of that Reynolds kid. A nice mover and good looking left footer. Gotta try something different.
Our midfield looked so soft on the weekend. I would bring in Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield so we can be competitive.
Oooo there's some class...said no one ever! Opo midfields would be pooling their pants facing those blokes. Seriously Robbo, Bell, McLean and Army are not the answer to our midfield woes IMO.
The point MBB is trying to make is our mids lacked any steel.
You can say what you like about Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield , but none of them take backward step.
Personally i wouldn't bring in Bell.
Our midfield looked so soft on the weekend. I would bring in Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield so we can be competitive.
Oooo there's some class...said no one ever! Opo midfields would be pooling their pants facing those blokes. Seriously Robbo, Bell, McLean and Army are not the answer to our midfield woes IMO.
The point MBB is trying to make is our mids lacked any steel.
You can say what you like about Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield , but none of them take backward step.
Personally i wouldn't bring in Bell.
I understand completely about the hardness, we need polish more.
These guys gave us trouble even when we were up and running.
Their young midfield will show the softc*cks like Murph and Gibbs how its done.
Minson will dominate the Ruck
Jones and Crameri will have a birthday up forward
Morris will blanket whose ever turn it is to be our inaffective key forward this week.
Dogs by 45 points.
totally agree with this
dogs pulled our pants down last time we played
I was there and recall we rapidly fell away and they ran over us
even cooney with his dodgy knee got in on the action
a good list with blokes like griffin boyd and delhaus....
By the look of things, we just have to hope the Dogs have a really, really, bad day. Even a good dog has a bad day, every now and then. Hope their bad day is more the now.
0-5
a 20 odd point loss with more debutants is much better
than a loss by 30-40 with a full team of non performers
The Dogs made us look ordinary last year. I go into this game with zero confidence. We may rally in the light of recent events, who the hell knows.
Will be watching, on TV, but I expect to go 0 - 5 unfortunately, but look forward to seeing us play more attractive foot, a more competitive effort, fewer errors.
As always, Go Blues!
The Dogs made us look ordinary last year. I go into this game with zero confidence. We may rally in the light of recent events, who the hell knows.
Will be watching, on TV, but I expect to go 0 - 5 unfortunately, but look forward to seeing us play more attractive foot, a more competitive effort, fewer errors.
As always, Go Blues!
I've tipped the dogs in my footy tipping, simply because I always tip with my head not my heart. Still I would not be surprised if we tore them a new one.
The point MBB is trying to make is our mids lacked any steel.
You can say what you like about Robbo, Bell, McLean and Armfield , but none of them take backward step.
Personally i wouldn't bring in Bell.
Pretty much, if you want the club to play kids don't cry when we lose. The 4 guys mentioned above along with Judd, Waite, Kreuzer and Garlett were in our best side last year. That's 8 players in total that didn't play against Melbourne.
I think we have a chance and I will be there cheering the boys on.
We are the underdogs now and as underdogs we perform better.
BLUES by 15pts :)
Id like to trial something different this week.
Tall defenders - Jamison, Rowe and Waite. They can take Crameri, Campbell and Jones. I don't mind Jones roaming around the wings/across the Doggies HB line to collect marks.
Marking targets up forward - Henderson, Casboult, Walker, Everitt and White. They rotate. The Doggies taller defenders could be stretched with enough quality ball supply which I must say is a BIG "IF"!!
We got chewed up last time we played them by their speed. They are fast and take the game on. Think this game will be won in the midfield.
Id like to trial something different this week.
Tall defenders - Jamison, Rowe and Waite. They can take Crameri, Campbell and Jones. I don't mind Jones roaming around the wings/across the Doggies HB line to collect marks.
Marking targets up forward - Henderson, Casboult, Walker, Everitt and White. They rotate. The Doggies taller defenders could be stretched with enough quality ball supply which I must say is a BIG "IF"!!
Crameri will be the problem..hard player to match up on....Jamo must be dodgy and I reckon we will start Henderson down back based on that.
We got chewed up last time we played them by their speed. They are fast and take the game on. Think this game will be won in the midfield.
I think you are right Age - our defence is likely to be under siege again and our forwards won't see the ball - well perhaps in the distance.
Crameri will be the problem..hard player to match up on....Jamo must be dodgy and I reckon we will start Henderson down back based on that.
I could have sworn Jammo went off the ground at least once with a shoulder problem, now the club says he had a calf issue, is that obfuscation?
Crameri will be the problem..hard player to match up on....Jamo must be dodgy and I reckon we will start Henderson down back based on that.
I could have sworn Jammo went off the ground at least once with a shoulder problem, now the club says he had a calf issue, is that obfuscation?
Was on crutches after the game last week...apparently
I could have sworn Jammo went off the ground at least once with a shoulder problem, now the club says he had a calf issue, is that obfuscation?
Was on crutches after the game last week...apparently
Fair enough, he goes off the ground most games with a shoulder so I shouldn't be surprised.
Dogs run hard and are spreading well from the contest - I wouldn't back Carlton this week unfortunately.
Minson will bash up our Rucks (Rowe, Casboult and Wood perhaps) and if the heat goes on the midfield our defenders will have plenty to do. I would not be surprised with a 5+ goal loss. Sorry for being negative but Carlton are devoid of confidence and direction right now - I just hope Cripps and young Buckley have good games.
Judd, Garlett, Watson, Bell, Waite. White : In
Jammo, Menzel, Graham. Out
Judd returning better not be too soon. If something goes wrong, he could be out for a while. I'm not sure how happy I am with him back so soon.
Could have at least given Graham a few runs at it. Got no idea why Garlett is in.
Got no idea why Garlett is in.
It's not as if he's an Etihad specialist. He in fact stinks there.
Could have at least given Graham a few runs at it. Got no idea why Garlett is in.
well said mate. Completely wrong message.
Could have at least given Graham a few runs at it. Got no idea why Garlett is in.
well said mate. Completely wrong message.
Graham stunk it up last week. Looked all at sea on more then one occasion.
Those changes make good sense.
Didn't rush Docherty into the side. Needs at least 1 more run in the magoos.
Graham has to get more grunt into his game. Gets plenty of the aggott at NBs level but even there fails to show a fierce attack at the ball and willingness to put his body on the line.
Jeffy didn't impress in the magoos but won't. Hope he learned whatever lesson he was meant to learn from being dropped.
If Juddy doesn't come up at Saturday morning's run I wonder who will come in for him. Have to be Bell or Lucas. Know who I'd rather if that were the case.
Could have at least given Graham a few runs at it. Got no idea why Garlett is in.
well said mate. Completely wrong message.
Graham stunk it up last week. Looked all at sea on more then one occasion.
Yeah, you are right.
I mean, second game and all, coming on as a sub in a team playing so poorly their best player couldnt get near it.
Graham should have dominated.
Those changes make good sense.
Can't agree Baggers ???
McLean busted his gut, Waite, Watson and Garlett did nothing in the NBs. Graham needs a couple of games to pick up the tempo and show what he can do. I guess we're so desperate for a win that we can't afford to give the lad a decent go.
Obviously very happy to see Judd back and I don't really know why Bell was dropped.
I suppose the Match Committee see things differently and that's why they're the Match Committee and I'm a supporter . . . and we're 0 and 4 >:(
WESTERN BULLDOGS v CARLTON
Sunday, April 20 at Etihad Stadium, 4.40pm (EST)
BULLDOGS
B: L.Picken, T.Young, E.Wood
HB: S.Higgins, T.Williams, R.Murphy
C: A.Cooney, R.Griffen, J.Macrae
HF: K.Stevens, S.Crameri, M.Wallis
F: L.Dahlhaus, L.Jones, D.Giansiracusa
Foll: W.Minson, M.Boyd, T.Liberatore
I/C (from): J.Tutt, J.Stringer, M.Bontempelli, L.Hunter, L.Jong, M.Talia, T.Campbell
IN: T.Campbell, L.Dahlhaus, M.Talia, M.Bontempelli
OUT: D.Morris
BLUES
B: A.Everitt, S.Rowe, L.Henderson
HB: Z.Tuohy, B.Gibbs, D.Thomas
C: E.Curnow, A.Carrazzo, C.Judd
HF: K.Simpson, A.Walker, D.Ellard
F: C.Yarran, J.Waite, L.Casboult
Foll: R.Warnock, P.Cripps, M.Murphy
I/C (from): D.Buckley, J.Garlett, K.Lucas, T.Bell, M.Watson, H.Scotland, S.White
IN: C.Judd, J.Waite, S.White, J.Garlett, M.Watson, T.Bell
OUT: M.Jamison, T.Menzel, N.Graham
With Judd back this should be a win, although there's still plenty of B graders in the side.
Can't agree with some here about Graham, he was very ordinary last week and you can't hand out senior games as encouragement, Bell has shown much more than him.
Rowe at full back scares me but the Doggies haven't had a key forward since Chris Grant so we might get away with it.
Not a fan of the one week in then drop the young player policy.....Graham should have got another game IMO and given the chance to learn from the previous game. We have done the same thing with Bell and it doesnt work..Graham will get 30 possies for the NB's next game and learn nothing...its like Bell who goes back to the NB's..does it easy then gets promoted again after learning nothing.
This isnt development...its a coach desperate for a short term fix.
Not a fan of the one week in then drop the young player policy.....Graham should have got another game IMO and given the chance to learn from the previous game. We have done the same thing with Bell and it doesnt work..Graham will get 30 possies for the NB's next game and learn nothing...its like Bell who goes back to the NB's..does it easy then gets promoted again after learning nothing.
This isnt development...its a coach desperate for a short term fix.
Graham was a late inclusion for Robbo last week, with Judd back and Cripps and Buckley doing well he had to make way.
He'll probably get more chances but he hasn't shown much in my opinion, I can't see him making it to be honest but I hope I'm mistaken
Hard to see Garlett getting a game, reports say he did Nada in the 2s.
Reckon Lucas and White will join him in the 2s.
We are desperate for a win - team selection will reflect trying to achieve that rather than worrying too much about player development It's all driven by membership numbers atm.
We are desperate for a win - team selection will reflect trying to achieve that rather than worrying too much about player development It's all driven by membership numbers atm.
True Cookie, but wouldn't that require picking the best 22 rather than hoping that the 22 picked will perform at their best rather than how their current form suggests. On form, White, Bell and McLean would have to be considered, along with the mighty Judd.
We are desperate for a win - team selection will reflect trying to achieve that rather than worrying too much about player development It's all driven by membership numbers atm.
True Cookie, but wouldn't that require picking the best 22 rather than hoping that the 22 picked will perform at their best rather than how their current form suggests. On form, White, Bell and McLean would have to be considered, along with the mighty Judd.
Well the best 22 on form is a judgement call by the MC isn't it - we've been baffled by their judgements on many occasions in the past. DJC, I didn't see the NBs game so I can't really comment on current form re. those guys you mention. Theoretically, White and Bell though could get a call up still - just leaves Brock from your list. MM said when he was left out that he wasn't doing certain things he should be (as per the gospel according to St. Mick) - maybe he still isn't? I just don't know.
We are desperate for a win - team selection will reflect trying to achieve that rather than worrying too much about player development It's all driven by membership numbers atm.
True Cookie, but wouldn't that require picking the best 22 rather than hoping that the 22 picked will perform at their best rather than how their current form suggests. On form, White, Bell and McLean would have to be considered, along with the mighty Judd.
Well the best 22 on form is a judgement call by the MC isn't it - we've been baffled by their judgements on many occasions in the past. DJC, I didn't see the NBs game so I can't really comment on current form re. those guys you mention. Theoretically, White and Bell though could get a call up still - just leaves Brock from your list. MM said when he was left out that he wasn't doing certain things he should be (as per the gospel according to St. Mick) - maybe he still isn't? I just don't know.
Brock's form was very average before he was dropped, his game against Richmond was abysmal, maybe it's that simple.
He'll need to buckle down I reckon or young Cripps will go straight past him, and I'm a fan of Brock.
Bell's an interesting one, he's tough, has attacking flair and can run all day but his skills let him down too often, do you persevere and hope they improve or tell him to fine tune them in the VFL?
Personally I like him in the seniors but I'm not sure we can afford both him and Robbo turning it over.
White is a waste of time IMO. Will never be a class performer.
Graham needed another run even though I'm not a real fan, but what's the point of giving him one run?
Same goes for Watson. If we're gonna play him, give him 3-4 games on the trot.
Drop Lucas.
If our back line doesn't inflict fear into the opposition I don't know what will! (insert sarcastic eye roll here)
Surprised Lucas is got a run ahead of Watson given Jamison was out, but Waite being back in is probably a good thing down back with Judd and Bell into the midfield.
Surprised Lucas is got a run ahead of Watson given Jamison was out, but Waite being back in is probably a good thing down back with Judd and Bell into the midfield.
Lucas is the new JR. ;)
We should beat Footscray with Judd and Waite back but we'll need to watch Griffin, he might be too slick and strong for Curnow and he might be needed for Boyd anyhow, he had a ton of it last week.
Crameri worries me as well, he loves playing against Carlton, so does Cooney.
Were is Armfield at?
Is he being played out of position? Or going down the same way of Laidler?
Dennis Armfield - what is wrong with Den Den? He should be tearing this comp a new one. Just playing to get fitness? For what he can do and is capable of, he was okay. Very little dash. Coached asked him for dash in the last qtr and he really didn't deliver.
Baggars' report from Sat.
Were is Armfield at?
Is he being played out of position? Or going down the same way of Laidler?
Dennis Armfield - what is wrong with Den Den? He should be tearing this comp a new one. Just playing to get fitness? For what he can do and is capable of, he was okay. Very little dash. Coached asked him for dash in the last qtr and he really didn't deliver.
Baggars' report from Sat.
Isn't he recovering from a knee? OR
Is he just another on the Malty scrap heap ?
yeah, whats going on with dennis?
Armfield stands easily in a 'I care' 22.
Were is Armfield at?
Is he being played out of position? Or going down the same way of Laidler?
Dennis Armfield - what is wrong with Den Den? He should be tearing this comp a new one. Just playing to get fitness? For what he can do and is capable of, he was okay. Very little dash. Coached asked him for dash in the last qtr and he really didn't deliver.
Baggars' report from Sat.
Wouldn't read anything sinister into it. Reckon he's playing for fitness. Never really got into stride last week. Must be one of the 22 who had off season surgery and is still on a program to fitness.
Were is Armfield at?
Is he being played out of position? Or going down the same way of Laidler?
Dennis Armfield - what is wrong with Den Den? He should be tearing this comp a new one. Just playing to get fitness? For what he can do and is capable of, he was okay. Very little dash. Coached asked him for dash in the last qtr and he really didn't deliver.
Baggars' report from Sat.
Wouldn't read anything sinister into it. Reckon he's playing for fitness. Never really got into stride last week. Must be one of the 22 who had off season surgery and is still on a program to fitness.
Thanks Baggars, didn't realise he was injured end of last season. He's a better option than some that are currently getting games when fit.
Must be one of the 22 who had off season surgery and is still on a program to fitness.
Does anyone know how many players actually had surgery? Malthouse said 22, Wiley said 19 and Mckay said 6 :-\
Dale Thomas very doubtful due to shoulder injury.
Judd might give us a mental boost we desperately need.
Must be one of the 22 who had off season surgery and is still on a program to fitness.
Does anyone know how many players actually had surgery? Malthouse said 22, Wiley said 19 and Mckay said 6 :-\
22 ...but I understand that includes surgery of any type.
If McKay said 6, then he continues to be at serious loggerheads with a number of club statements.
Wiley definitely said 19:
In all, Carlton had 19 players undergo post-season surgery but Wiley insisted all of them were progressing well in their recoveries.
Whatever number it was, 31 went to Arizona and only a couple missed the start of training. I think it's drawing a long bow to suggest that post-season surgery has affected our pre-season training and fitness levels. After all, the high altitude training in Arizona gave us an edge:
One of those benefits, Buttifant says, is fast-tracking a player’s fitness base, whereby achieving the same result in a shorter timeframe than it would take at sea level.
Anyway, Armfield suffered a 'minor knock' to a knee before Christmas. He played one NAB Cup game and struggled in the practice games. He has really only played two games this season and will need a few more to get back to match fitness and form. We could do with his endeavor.
WESTERN BULLDOGS v CARLTON
Sunday, April 20 at Etihad Stadium, 4.40pm (EST)
BULLDOGS
B: L.Picken, T.Young, E.Wood
HB: S.Higgins, T.Williams, R.Murphy
C: A.Cooney, R.Griffen, J.Macrae
HF: K.Stevens, S.Crameri, M.Wallis
F: L.Dahlhaus, L.Jones, D.Giansiracusa
Foll: W.Minson, M.Boyd, T.Liberatore
I/C (from): J.Tutt, J.Stringer, M.Bontempelli, L.Hunter, L.Jong, M.Talia, T.Campbell
IN: T.Campbell, L.Dahlhaus, M.Talia, M.Bontempelli
OUT: D.Morris
BLUES
B: A.Everitt, S.Rowe, L.Henderson
HB: Z.Tuohy, B.Gibbs, D.Thomas
C: E.Curnow, A.Carrazzo, C.Judd
HF: K.Simpson, A.Walker, D.Ellard
F: C.Yarran, J.Waite, L.Casboult
Foll: R.Warnock, P.Cripps, M.Murphy
I/C (from): D.Buckley, J.Garlett, K.Lucas, T.Bell, M.Watson, H.Scotland, S.White
IN: C.Judd, J.Waite, S.White, J.Garlett, M.Watson, T.Bell
OUT: M.Jamison, T.Menzel, N.Graham
Emergencies are in red. Obviously already been said but i heard Thomas was going to be a late out as well. Will Walker actually play forward, maybe for about 5 minutes until they kick the first two goals, and then Mick starts chopping and changing as is his style. Don't be surprised if you see Judd working in tandem with Yarran in the ruck!
Obviously already been said but i heard Thomas was going to be a late out as well. Will Walker actually play forward, maybe for about 5 minutes until they kick the first two goals, and then Mick starts chopping and changing as is his style. Don't be surprised if you see Judd working in tandem with Yarran in the ruck!
I would think that White will get the call up. They are desperately trying to turn him into another swing man and he offers greater versatility than Watson and Garlett.
If they play White over Watson that is an absolute disgrace. White has no future whatsoever, Watson has shown something to suggest he may IF we persist.
If we are serious about future development we should ideally be going with Watson to find out once and for all whether he has a future with us or not. He should be tried forward and back. His kicking is very good and we should be trying to find a way to capitalise on it without having his lack of pace exposed too much.
On the other hand, the circumstances are working against that - we would be desperate for a win this week and the final team selection/changes will be dictated by that.
The thing is I think Watson would give us more anyway. Anyway it's not decided as yet, we will have to wait and see.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-19/were-a-topfour-training-team
Well it doens't look like the boys will be let off the leash - focus on the process, let the result take care of itself. I wonder if we had a "process" before MM? Interesting, that's what the boys seem to be struggling with.
Thomas "OK" according to MM.
If the 'process' doesn't change, we'll be in for a long and miserable season.
If the 'process' doesn't change, we'll be in for a long and miserable season.
Is it round 22 yet?
Well there's the proof we haven't improved, we're back to 'the process'.
Yep, scary when we start talking about not worrying about winning.
We should win this week IMO...better looking team on paper and the Dogs have included some newbies which might cost them...
Blues by 30 points...
We should win this week IMO...better looking team on paper and the Dogs have included some newbies which might cost them...
Blues by 30 points...
I admire your optimism EB . . . and I have a sneaky suspicion that you're right. Fingers crossed :)
We need a damned good win, not just a win. It needs to make a real statement!
I won't be holding my breath. The game is at etihad and last week said it all. We have snatched it in my opinion and the smell is only getting worse by the week, lose this one badly and all hell will break loose.
I think Mick is already planning for next year but he still needs wins this year to make sure he is there. I am normally a glass half full kind of guy but we have been exposed butt naked for every one of our flaws and we have neither the on-field or off-field leadership to pull it together.
We should win this week IMO...better looking team on paper and the Dogs have included some newbies which might cost them...
Blues by 30 points...
I like your work EB, but here you are wrong. ;)
We need to either win by 15 goals or lose by 15 goals for me to be happy.
Anything in between means the situation won't change.
We should win this week IMO...better looking team on paper and the Dogs have included some newbies which might cost them...
Blues by 30 points...
I like your work EB, but here you are wrong. ;)
Be warned while EB1 is a great judge of the game and players, he doesn't always take his medications. It is as obvious as the rain falls from the clouds, that he needs to take his medications immediately. Before he does something silly that he might regret. ;D
We should win this week IMO...better looking team on paper and the Dogs have included some newbies which might cost them...
Blues by 30 points...
I like your work EB, but here you are wrong. ;)
Be warned while EB1 is a great judge of the game and players, he doesn't always take his medications. It is as obvious as the rain falls from the clouds, that he needs to take his medications immediately. Before he does something silly that he might regret. ;D
But we are playing at Crappyhad.(etihad)..with the roof over, so the rain clouds dont affect - hence no medication - hence does something silly.. ;D
We need a damned good win, not just a win. It needs to make a real statement!
I'll take any win. Pretty sure Melbourne dominated us last week and we sit on 0-4. The only statement we are in a position to make is "we are still able to win games of football".
Rain or no rain couldn't save us at the moment or EB1. I have listened to Mick and how well we have been training. The fact he states that in the training sessions we are a top 4 side in our application and how well we work. My question is what makes us become lazy on game day. How do we enter the field and look like we can't be bothered after the first bounce ? If we bring half efforts against the dogs, we will suffer and suffer bad. We will all need medications just to avoid bringing this site into a melt down. It will crash like a derailed train. ;)
Rain or no rain couldn't save us at the moment or EB1. I have listened to Mick and how well we have been training. The fact he states that in the training sessions we are a top 4 side in our application and how well we work. My question is what makes us become lazy on game day. How do we enter the field and look like we can't be bothered after the first bounce ? If we bring half efforts against the dogs, we will suffer and suffer bad. We will all need medications just to avoid bringing this site into a melt down. It will crash like a derailed train. ;)
we had the same problem under Ratten - remember all the games when we would start slow and give oppositions 5 goal starts and we wouldn't fire up late until the 2nd or start of 3rd quarter, if at all.
there is something inherently wrong with the list IMO...
Rain or no rain couldn't save us at the moment or EB1. I have listened to Mick and how well we have been training. The fact he states that in the training sessions we are a top 4 side in our application and how well we work. My question is what makes us become lazy on game day. How do we enter the field and look like we can't be bothered after the first bounce ? If we bring half efforts against the dogs, we will suffer and suffer bad. We will all need medications just to avoid bringing this site into a melt down. It will crash like a derailed train. ;)
The reason just looks so obvious - we don't believe in ourselves and our capabilities sufficiently to beat real opposition - don't have the self confidence to go out and really give it our best shot for the whole game. That's just not an issue at training.
Cookie, we need to make it a non issue for a few games and just get our confidence back. You can't prepare to win and play to lose. Even Mick states he isn't getting the guys to see the victory, but see that we can win. The result works itself out in the end if the work rate is there. At the moment we don't have the work rate during games, but on the training track which just doesn't make sense. A loser mentality that must me rectified by the playing group. Not a coaching issue. A player mentality.
Cookie, we need to make it a non issue for a few games and just get our confidence back. You can't prepare to win and play to lose. Even Mick states he isn't getting the guys to see the victory, but see that we can win. The result works itself out in the end if the work rate is there. At the moment we don't have the work rate during games, but on the training track which just doesn't make sense. A loser mentality that must me rectified by the playing group. Not a coaching issue. A player mentality.
Mantis, addressing player mentality is Coaching 101; get your players, be they netballers, basketballers or footballers, up for the game.
We don't 'Believe'
And with ' No Limits' that is precisely where we are at, we have set no limits to achieve ::)
it will be interesting how they play with judd on the ground
He has risen??
it will be interesting how they play with judd on the ground
He has risen??
Hah. ;D Wouldn't that be a sad indictment of our so called leadership group. Have not matured at all. Bunch of 15 year boys and not men at all. I watched St.Kilda with massive admiration last night. Talk about frantic and willing to have a crack and back themselves. Our players better deliver - they are all on notice. The Coach should be getting nervous right about now tbh.
it will be interesting how they play with judd on the ground
He has risen??
Hah. ;D Wouldn't that be a sad indictment of our so called leadership group. Have not matured at all. Bunch of 15 year boys and not men at all. I watched St.Kilda with massive admiration last night. Talk about frantic and willing to have a crack and back themselves. Our players better deliver - they are all on notice. The Coach should be getting nervous right about now tbh.
I too watched the St.Kilda game, thought they had a fair bit of the Ratten influence in their game plan. Did anybody else see that?
it will be interesting how they play with judd on the ground
He has risen??
Hah. ;D Wouldn't that be a sad indictment of our so called leadership group. Have not matured at all. Bunch of 15 year boys and not men at all. I watched St.Kilda with massive admiration last night. Talk about frantic and willing to have a crack and back themselves. Our players better deliver - they are all on notice. The Coach should be getting nervous right about now tbh.
I too watched the St.Kilda game, thought they had a fair bit of the Ratten influence in their game plan. Did anybody else see that?
Could be that Ratten had a fair bit of the Richarson influence?
it will be interesting how they play with judd on the ground
He has risen??
Hah. ;D Wouldn't that be a sad indictment of our so called leadership group. Have not matured at all. Bunch of 15 year boys and not men at all. I watched St.Kilda with massive admiration last night. Talk about frantic and willing to have a crack and back themselves. Our players better deliver - they are all on notice. The Coach should be getting nervous right about now tbh.
I too watched the St.Kilda game, thought they had a fair bit of the Ratten influence in their game plan. Did anybody else see that?
Could be that Ratten had a fair bit of the Richarson influence?
Or visa versa ;)
it will be interesting how they play with judd on the ground
He has risen??
Hah. ;D Wouldn't that be a sad indictment of our so called leadership group. Have not matured at all. Bunch of 15 year boys and not men at all. I watched St.Kilda with massive admiration last night. Talk about frantic and willing to have a crack and back themselves. Our players better deliver - they are all on notice. The Coach should be getting nervous right about now tbh.
I too watched the St.Kilda game, thought they had a fair bit of the Ratten influence in their game plan. Did anybody else see that?
Could be that Ratten had a fair bit of the Richarson influence?
Or visa versa ;)
We're going round in circles BP. :))
Petty sure Ratts had implemented his gameplan prior to Richardson coming over had he not?
Petty sure Ratts had implemented his gameplan prior to Richardson coming over had he not?
Just wondered how long it would take for you to jump in Carrots. ;D
Petty sure Ratts had implemented his gameplan prior to Richardson coming over had he not?
Just wondered how long it would take for you to jump in Carrots. ;D
Owned. 8)
On a serious note, it was real cavalier stuff. They ran like gazelles up the field, and yes, now that I think of it, it does remind me of our old plan. What I liked more was their incessant pressure off the ball. Bombers couldn't handle it at all. Young Luke Dunstan and Jack Billings..stars in the making.
Ok, it's game day and I'm really confident of a good showing. Look a lot better structural with Waite in the side and I think we can stretch the bulldogs undersized defence. The dogs are an elite stoppage and clearance team, this is where it's critical we match it with them. Judd, bell, and Cripps give us hardness at the contest. Would like to see Juddy as sub, doubt it would happen tho.
Ok, it's game day and I'm really confident of a good showing. Look a lot better structural with Waite in the side and I think we can stretch the bulldogs undersized defence. The dogs are an elite stoppage and clearance team, this is where it's critical we match it with them. Judd, bell, and Cripps give us hardness at the contest. Would like to see Juddy as sub, doubt it would happen tho.
Yes, the clearances and midfield work is what I'll be watching closely because that's where we've been bad so far. If we can get that right and improve our goal kicking accuracy then we are in with a show definitely.
Petty sure Ratts had implemented his gameplan prior to Richardson coming over had he not?
Just wondered how long it would take for you to jump in Carrots. ;D
Hey just pointing out the obvious. :P
Petty sure Ratts had implemented his gameplan prior to Richardson coming over had he not?
Just wondered how long it would take for you to jump in Carrots. ;D
Hey just pointing out the obvious. :P
Yes, many things are obvious........to zealots. ;)
Well I'd hate for you to portray something in a different light to what it actually is. Your credibility means a lot to me! :))
Well I'd hate for you to portray something in a different light to what it actually is. Your credibility means a lot to me! :))
Thanks for your concern mate, it's just that I'm a little more circumspect than you (since I joined the Jewish race). 8)
Petty sure Ratts had implemented his gameplan prior to Richardson coming over had he not?
Just wondered how long it would take for you to jump in Carrots. ;D
Owned. 8)
On a serious note, it was real cavalier stuff. They ran like gazelles up the field, and yes, now that I think of it, it does remind me of our old plan. What I liked more was their incessant pressure off the ball. Bombers couldn't handle it at all. Young Luke Dunstan and Jack Billings..stars in the making.
30+ touches for Lenny Hayes and a vintage game from Riewoldt, it makes it so much easier when your best players fire.
With Garlett and Watson both playing for the NBs, White must be the 'designated emergency'. At least we know that Judd and possibly Thomas have both come up for the game.
Buckley out, White in, Judd is sub.
SUNDAY 20 APRIL
Western Bulldogs v Carlton at Etihad Stadium, 4.40pm
LATE CHANGES
Western Bulldogs: Nil
Carlton: Dylan Buckley replaced in the selected side by Simon White
FINAL INTERCHANGES
Western Bulldogs: Marcus Bontompelli, Matthew Boyd, Shaun Higgins
Substitute: Daniel Giansiracusa
Carlton: Patrick Cripps, Andrejs Everitt, David Ellard
Substitute: Chris Judd
OK, MM has lost the plot now.
Judd sub, FFS if he is fit he plays, if he isn't he shouldn't be risked.
Having Judd as sub is just asking for a soft tissue injury!
OK, MM has lost the plot now.
Judd sub, FFS if he is fit he plays, if he isn't he shouldn't be risked.
Having Judd as sub is just asking for a soft tissue injury!
at etihad...
if judd is a sub...not fit and therefore dogs will run over the top of us at the end like last year....
I can't help it....it's always like this just before the game.
We'll win
Blues by 24. :D
(heart feeling)
Don't mind Judd as the sub actually.
He may be fit, but he does lack match fitness.
....and they would never bring him back through the VFL.
The other thing is that if it's a close game going into the last quarter wouldn't it give the side and the supporters a lift to see him run onto the ground.
It's a little thing but one that could make a difference.
Buckley was omitted for 'team balance'. He didn't have a great game last week but he has been one of our more consistent performers. He's in his third season so it shouldn't be a fitness or durability issue. :-\