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Social Club => Blah-Blah Bar => Topic started by: Lods on April 14, 2014, 10:50:39 pm

Title: Sticking Fat
Post by: Lods on April 14, 2014, 10:50:39 pm
WTF is that?
I doesn't make any sense. ???

First time I heard it was around the time Brittain was sacked....and I thought he was being obscene. :D
Only ever heard it related to football.
...and it's getting a bit tiresome.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: LordLucifer on April 14, 2014, 10:53:13 pm
Very true, it was first used by Brittain and since then, the only one to use it again has been Sticks.

Needs to find some new vocabulary like "united" or "show some solidarity" or "commitment".
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: DJC on April 14, 2014, 11:06:22 pm
Very true, it was first used by Brittain and since then, the only one to use it again has been Sticks.

Needs to find some new vocabulary like "united" or "show some solidarity" or "commitment".

I used to cringe at some of our previous coach's abuses of the English language (but at least he didn't try to belittle reporters) and hoped the club would send him off to do a media relations and public speaking course.  I think it's too late for Sticks but please can his replacement be trained in phrases to avoid?
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Juddkreuzer on April 14, 2014, 11:39:22 pm
From BF (Sept 13 2002)

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Just heard Britain talk on Fox footy news at the B&F night, he said what I though was "Sticking Fat" about 5 times in 2 minutes. What the hell does it mean?

Seems it's a Britts innovation. Ahead of his time in more than one way! ;)
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Jofo on April 15, 2014, 10:17:11 am
It's spelt "phat", but I don't know what it means. ???
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: LP on April 15, 2014, 10:27:19 am
It's spelt "phat", but I don't know what it means. ???

It is just a slang term that has evolved to mean stick together as a group, think of it as a odd mix of ingredients being pulled together to form a solid mass, a mob unified!

As for the "phat" version, that is just a variant like "wot", "wit" or "u".
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: LP on April 15, 2014, 10:29:56 am
From BF (Sept 13 2002)

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Just heard Britain talk on Fox footy news at the B&F night, he said what I though was "Sticking Fat" about 5 times in 2 minutes. What the hell does it mean?

Seems it's a Britts innovation. Ahead of his time in more than one way! ;)

It is not a Brittain thing, I believe it has been around since WWI when troups described themselves as huddling together under fire in the fox holes, pits and trenches like fat in a frying pan.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: shadesy on April 15, 2014, 10:48:38 am
Not sure why Sticking to Lance Whitnall would help anything?
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Thryleon on April 15, 2014, 11:18:09 am
The saying is as LP says, and alludes to us not really sticking together.

This is what we need now.  We do need to stand together.

On this, our cheer squad is visibly lacking something at games, and despite our numbers we visibly are not pulling in big numbers of support, and its been a common theme all season.

We were heavily outnumbered at the ground by both Tigers and Bombers fans, Melbourne almost look like a break even (37000 at the G is pitiful regardless of who we play against but understandable given our current woes) and the Port Adelaide highlighted just how little we care to go to Etihad and a handful of Port supporters were arguably more vocal than the Blues supporters that went to the game.

In short, our club has been hamstrung by the AFL, and our fans have really jumped off the bandwagon.  Chris Judd momentarily turned it around for us and brought some positivity back, but the false positive we appear to have witnessed may well have hurt the club as much as our sanctions did back then.  We have finally woken up to the fact that we have been sold false promises and now it appears as though our fans have stopped turning up again.  Combine that with the Scandel that we have witnessed and just how Elliott and co should have handled it back then and we have the weak thing that we support today...

Im feeling very dissillusioned with AFL footy, and I dont think the AFL can afford to continue whacking our footy club like they have been recently because they are just going to have us turn off en masse.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Goat on April 15, 2014, 11:21:34 am
It's spelt "phat", but I don't know what it means. ???

It is just a slang term that has evolved to mean stick together as a group, think of it as a odd mix of ingredients being pulled together to form a solid mass, a mob unified!

As for the "phat" version, that is just a variant like "wot", "wit" or "u".
See reading this forum I never stop learning.  Thanks LP
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Lods on April 15, 2014, 09:41:05 pm
From BF (Sept 13 2002)

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Just heard Britain talk on Fox footy news at the B&F night, he said what I though was "Sticking Fat" about 5 times in 2 minutes. What the hell does it mean?

Seems it's a Britts innovation. Ahead of his time in more than one way! ;)

It is not a Brittain thing, I believe it has been around since WWI when troups described themselves as huddling together under fire in the fox holes, pits and trenches like fat in a frying pan.

Do you have a link to that.....Google it and all you seem to get is obscene references or AFL ones.
I'm not saying it's wrong because apparently it is a term that Brittain's father used to use when Wayne was young, so it obviously goes back a bit.
My Grandfather was in the trenches in WW1...never heard him use that phrase.
In fact I never heard it before Brittain used it and I thought at the time........ what a strange thing to say.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Lods on April 15, 2014, 09:50:59 pm
Here we go...... it's New Zealand prison Slang ;D

BOOBSLANG:
A LEXICOGRAPIllCAL STUDY OF THE ARGOT OF NEW ZEALAND
PRISON INMATES, IN THE PERIOD 1996 - 2000

stick v. (also stick (someone) up) to
stab someone. 0 stick fat to be
absolutely loyal and supportive to one's
friend; to hold unwaveringly to one's
beliefs. Note: sticking fat also includes
looking after an inmate's interests from the
outside: 'He's stuck fat with me; he's looking
after the business while the boss is on the
inside.' Sticking fat entails a serious adherence
to the inmate code of ethics (no narking, no
tealeafing, and no lying about the nature of
one's crime).
[1978 NEWBOLD: 'The Real
Staunchie always "sticks fat", he never
compromises his honour to the
compulsions of formal authority' (326).]
stick hard (also stick staunch) = stick
fat.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Mantis on April 15, 2014, 09:56:44 pm
Good find Lods. I have read a few sites indicating its a loyalty term and having ones back. Just couldn't find a point where it originated from. ;)
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: cookie2 on April 15, 2014, 10:00:53 pm
Another one I spotted was "They stick together like fat thighs" - OK, maybe not a pleasant thought.  :o
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: LanceRomance on April 15, 2014, 10:01:28 pm
Where does one stick fat?
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Lods on April 15, 2014, 10:09:07 pm
Good find Lods. I have read a few sites indicating its a loyalty term and having ones back. Just couldn't find a point where it originated from. ;)

Not sure that's the origin Mantis ;)
Probably goes back farther than that and I wouldn't be surprised if LP was right about WW1.
It may have been a regional thing though (Victorian, NZ?) because as I said, as a New South Welshman, I'd never heard it before Brittain used it.
The interesting thing is that since Brittain did use it there are numerous examples of it being used in AFL speak.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: Mantis on April 15, 2014, 10:22:25 pm
Many AFL players and others have relations with past war soldiers in their families and friends. Which is why you make sense with there being a possible tie to this period. WW2, WW1 or even earlier. I remember an old war time favourite of OK being a common term. By use of morse code with daily updates in the field of fighting. To communicate 0.K was to indicate zero kills in the field over a period of time. Considered to be something good, if a squad didn't lose any soldiers in a day of battle, which was very rare indeed. Not exactly where it originated from but was used in the first world war from my past readings and knowledge.

There are many other British terms from the Victorian and Edwardian era that are still used today. ;)

http://theweek.com/article/index/242717/where-did-the-expression-ok-come-from
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: DJC on April 16, 2014, 12:32:21 am
Lots of WW1 and WW2 veterans in my family and they never spoke about 'sticking fat'.  It doesn't rate a mention in my copy of "The Australian Language" so I expect that it was introduced after that work was published - 1986.  It certainly isn't a phrase I heard before the early 2000s.

In fact, I've only ever heard it used by AFL folk  ::)

Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: denimundies on April 16, 2014, 01:30:06 am
Interesting discussion, I always thought it meant with substantial margin, as opposed to sticking thin implying minimal margin and abandoning support at the slightest disappointment or error.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on April 16, 2014, 05:49:45 am
I've heard the word phat used to describe good music ie that's a 'phat beat'.
Title: Re: Sticking Fat
Post by: LP on April 16, 2014, 09:25:58 am
I must admit I make the assumption that the modern Sticking Fat was related to the "Fat in a frying pan" description I read in an excerpt from a hand written diary that was in an display case.

Actually in regards to Lods findings, it is quite possible I read it in the NZ Airforce Museum in Christchurch. I am not 100% sure though it was a long time ago, more than 20 years ago ands well before Brittain used the phrase. I recall it now because when I originally heard Brittain make the Sticking Fat comment at his last speech because the situation seemed to fit the description in the diary, he made that speech like their fate was sealed and the outlook grim! Seems he was right!